Discussion:
kernel 4.8 still bugged ;(
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Melzzzzz
2016-10-30 11:24:32 UTC
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I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
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John Gohde
2016-10-30 13:14:32 UTC
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Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
Moi firmly believes in letting other Linux Tards fully debug the Kernel, long before he wastes his time installing it.
Marek Novotny
2016-10-30 13:39:08 UTC
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Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
Yes, 4.8 was no good for me either. On one machine it seems to be fine,
on another, no good.

[***@m4800 ~]$ uname -r
4.7.10-1-MANJARO
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Takuya Saitoh
2016-10-30 13:50:59 UTC
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Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
Yes, 4.8 was no good for me either. On one machine it seems to be fine,
on another, no good.
4.7.10-1-MANJARO
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John Gohde
2016-10-30 13:54:44 UTC
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Post by Takuya Saitoh
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
Yes, 4.8 was no good for me either. On one machine it seems to be fine,
on another, no good.
4.7.10-1-MANJARO
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https://github.com/marek-novotny
This is the general trend in this World, people becoming dumbier and their products becoming more buggy and low quality...
Don't forget that the Japanese are becoming a bunch of pedophile degenerates, Perv.
Jim Polaski
2016-10-30 14:12:22 UTC
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Post by Takuya Saitoh
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
Yes, 4.8 was no good for me either. On one machine it seems to be fine,
on another, no good.
4.7.10-1-MANJARO
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https://github.com/marek-novotny
This is the general trend in this World, people becoming dumbier and their products becoming more buggy and low quality...
Linux has always been of low quality. People accept it though because
Linux is free.
Silver Slimer
2016-10-30 14:30:16 UTC
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Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Takuya Saitoh
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
Yes, 4.8 was no good for me either. On one machine it seems to be fine,
on another, no good.
4.7.10-1-MANJARO
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Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny
This is the general trend in this World, people becoming dumbier and their products becoming more buggy and low quality...
Linux has always been of low quality. People accept it though because
Linux is free.
Or because they are pissed at the NSA or the general country of the
United States and believe that using such crap will hurt the country in
some way. I was one of those people as well but now realize that whether
I use OS X, Linux or Windows, nothing will change in terms of my
privacy. Security-wise though, it looks as though Windows, yes Windows,
has the advantage over the other two as they don't allow 9 year-old bugs
to exist and actually fix their issues over time.
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Jim Polaski
2016-10-30 14:40:11 UTC
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Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Takuya Saitoh
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
Yes, 4.8 was no good for me either. On one machine it seems to be fine,
on another, no good.
4.7.10-1-MANJARO
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Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny
This is the general trend in this World, people becoming dumbier and their products becoming more buggy and low quality...
Linux has always been of low quality. People accept it though because
Linux is free.
Or because they are pissed at the NSA or the general country of the
United States and believe that using such crap will hurt the country in
some way. I was one of those people as well but now realize that whether
I use OS X, Linux or Windows, nothing will change in terms of my
privacy. Security-wise though, it looks as though Windows, yes Windows,
has the advantage over the other two as they don't allow 9 year-old bugs
to exist and actually fix their issues over time.
Correct.
You almost cannot join a Linux discussion, blog or social media site
without running into the socialist corporate hating types. Linux
attracts them like flies to honey.
I don't understand the reasoning behind self punishment using Linux just
to say fuck you to Microsoft.
It doesn't make sense.
Silver Slimer
2016-10-30 16:49:51 UTC
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Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Takuya Saitoh
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
Yes, 4.8 was no good for me either. On one machine it seems to be fine,
on another, no good.
4.7.10-1-MANJARO
--
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny
This is the general trend in this World, people becoming dumbier and their products becoming more buggy and low quality...
Linux has always been of low quality. People accept it though because
Linux is free.
Or because they are pissed at the NSA or the general country of the
United States and believe that using such crap will hurt the country in
some way. I was one of those people as well but now realize that whether
I use OS X, Linux or Windows, nothing will change in terms of my
privacy. Security-wise though, it looks as though Windows, yes Windows,
has the advantage over the other two as they don't allow 9 year-old bugs
to exist and actually fix their issues over time.
Correct.
You almost cannot join a Linux discussion, blog or social media site
without running into the socialist corporate hating types. Linux
attracts them like flies to honey.
I don't understand the reasoning behind self punishment using Linux just
to say fuck you to Microsoft.
It doesn't make sense.
It made sense to me a while ago but after essentially self-whipping
myself the way those devout monks used to do by using Linux, I decided
to stop being a monk and use Windows.
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Jim Polaski
2016-10-30 18:41:20 UTC
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Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Takuya Saitoh
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
Yes, 4.8 was no good for me either. On one machine it seems to be fine,
on another, no good.
4.7.10-1-MANJARO
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Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny
This is the general trend in this World, people becoming dumbier and their products becoming more buggy and low quality...
Linux has always been of low quality. People accept it though because
Linux is free.
Or because they are pissed at the NSA or the general country of the
United States and believe that using such crap will hurt the country in
some way. I was one of those people as well but now realize that whether
I use OS X, Linux or Windows, nothing will change in terms of my
privacy. Security-wise though, it looks as though Windows, yes Windows,
has the advantage over the other two as they don't allow 9 year-old bugs
to exist and actually fix their issues over time.
Correct.
You almost cannot join a Linux discussion, blog or social media site
without running into the socialist corporate hating types. Linux
attracts them like flies to honey.
I don't understand the reasoning behind self punishment using Linux just
to say fuck you to Microsoft.
It doesn't make sense.
It made sense to me a while ago but after essentially self-whipping
myself the way those devout monks used to do by using Linux, I decided
to stop being a monk and use Windows.
Like most others I need to get work done and Windows does a far better
job of it than Linux does.
Also I don't wish to be associated with the Linux "advocates" who are
nothing more than nasty liars.
John Gohde
2016-10-30 22:21:24 UTC
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Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Takuya Saitoh
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
Yes, 4.8 was no good for me either. On one machine it seems to be fine,
on another, no good.
4.7.10-1-MANJARO
--
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny
This is the general trend in this World, people becoming dumbier and their products becoming more buggy and low quality...
Linux has always been of low quality. People accept it though because
Linux is free.
Or because they are pissed at the NSA or the general country of the
United States and believe that using such crap will hurt the country in
some way. I was one of those people as well but now realize that whether
I use OS X, Linux or Windows, nothing will change in terms of my
privacy. Security-wise though, it looks as though Windows, yes Windows,
has the advantage over the other two as they don't allow 9 year-old bugs
to exist and actually fix their issues over time.
Correct.
You almost cannot join a Linux discussion, blog or social media site
without running into the socialist corporate hating types. Linux
attracts them like flies to honey.
I don't understand the reasoning behind self punishment using Linux just
to say fuck you to Microsoft.
It doesn't make sense.
It made sense to me a while ago but after essentially self-whipping
myself the way those devout monks used to do by using Linux, I decided
to stop being a monk and use Windows.
You are not fooling anyone, Mr. Maggot.
Silver Slimer
2016-10-30 14:27:31 UTC
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Post by Takuya Saitoh
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
Yes, 4.8 was no good for me either. On one machine it seems to be fine,
on another, no good.
4.7.10-1-MANJARO
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https://github.com/marek-novotny
This is the general trend in this World, people becoming dumbier and their products becoming more buggy and low quality...
That only applies to Linux. The same mentality which has allowed Linux
to become a thing is now being applied to the general human race and
causing the emergence of imbeciles who think they are part of the
opposite gender and insisting that the rest of the world use special
pronouns to refer to them.
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Silver Slimer
2016-10-30 13:49:14 UTC
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Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
More Linux bugs that don't exist!
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Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks
2016-10-30 13:49:47 UTC
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Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
What bug? I don't see this bug on my 4.8 and I use rsync every
fucking day.

You must have some weird setup that invites problems.

You can try to modify /proc/sys/kernel/watchdog_thresh
to a large value.
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John Gohde
2016-10-30 13:57:32 UTC
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Post by Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
What bug? I don't see this bug on my 4.8 and I use rsync every
fucking day.
You must have some weird setup that invites problems.
You can try to modify /proc/sys/kernel/watchdog_thresh
to a large value.
Eewh! So Melzzzzz must be just some kind of a Linux idiot, eh?
Jim Polaski
2016-10-30 14:11:39 UTC
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Post by John Gohde
Post by Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
What bug? I don't see this bug on my 4.8 and I use rsync every
fucking day.
You must have some weird setup that invites problems.
You can try to modify /proc/sys/kernel/watchdog_thresh
to a large value.
Eewh! So Melzzzzz must be just some kind of a Linux idiot, eh?
He demonstrated that he knows next to nothing about Manjaro's octopi and
seeing as he runs Manjaro that is not a good sign.
Melzzzzz
2016-10-30 14:35:36 UTC
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On 30 Oct 2016 14:11:39 GMT
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by John Gohde
Post by Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7,
but alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard
reset, switched back to 4.7...
What bug? I don't see this bug on my 4.8 and I use rsync every
fucking day.
You must have some weird setup that invites problems.
You can try to modify /proc/sys/kernel/watchdog_thresh
to a large value.
Eewh! So Melzzzzz must be just some kind of a Linux idiot, eh?
He demonstrated that he knows next to nothing about Manjaro's octopi
and seeing as he runs Manjaro that is not a good sign.
I use pacman, not octopi for upgrading system, therefore I didn't new
they added functionality to resolve conflicts from terminal....
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Marek Novotny
2016-10-30 14:38:34 UTC
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Post by Melzzzzz
I use pacman, not octopi for upgrading system, therefore I didn't new
they added functionality to resolve conflicts from terminal....
He's just hooking you. He's a loser. You have nothing to gain from him
at all. You're his toy. This is how he gets off. Give him a -9999 and
move on.
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Jim Polaski
2016-10-30 14:45:45 UTC
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Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I use pacman, not octopi for upgrading system, therefore I didn't new
they added functionality to resolve conflicts from terminal....
He's just hooking you. He's a loser. You have nothing to gain from him
at all. You're his toy. This is how he gets off. Give him a -9999 and
move on.
So how did that work for you Marek?
Not too well from your post -9999 replies to me.
You're just another Linux fool herd member who knows less about Linux
than you believe.
You haven't even managed to eradicate snit from COLA, although you think
you have.
Add it to your long list of failures.
Silver Slimer
2016-10-30 16:50:48 UTC
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Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I use pacman, not octopi for upgrading system, therefore I didn't new
they added functionality to resolve conflicts from terminal....
He's just hooking you. He's a loser. You have nothing to gain from him
at all. You're his toy. This is how he gets off. Give him a -9999 and
move on.
So how did that work for you Marek?
Not too well from your post -9999 replies to me.
You're just another Linux fool herd member who knows less about Linux
than you believe.
You haven't even managed to eradicate snit from COLA, although you think
you have.
Add it to your long list of failures.
Snit will _never_ leave. Even if the cockroach were to die tomorrow,
he'd find a way to troll the newsgroup as a ghost or a corpse.
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Jim Polaski
2016-10-30 18:42:42 UTC
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Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I use pacman, not octopi for upgrading system, therefore I didn't new
they added functionality to resolve conflicts from terminal....
He's just hooking you. He's a loser. You have nothing to gain from him
at all. You're his toy. This is how he gets off. Give him a -9999 and
move on.
So how did that work for you Marek?
Not too well from your post -9999 replies to me.
You're just another Linux fool herd member who knows less about Linux
than you believe.
You haven't even managed to eradicate snit from COLA, although you think
you have.
Add it to your long list of failures.
Snit will _never_ leave. Even if the cockroach were to die tomorrow,
he'd find a way to troll the newsgroup as a ghost or a corpse.
If North Korea drops a nuke on the USA the only life that will survive
will be the cockroaches and snit.
Silver Slimer
2016-10-30 21:31:10 UTC
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Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I use pacman, not octopi for upgrading system, therefore I didn't new
they added functionality to resolve conflicts from terminal....
He's just hooking you. He's a loser. You have nothing to gain from him
at all. You're his toy. This is how he gets off. Give him a -9999 and
move on.
So how did that work for you Marek?
Not too well from your post -9999 replies to me.
You're just another Linux fool herd member who knows less about Linux
than you believe.
You haven't even managed to eradicate snit from COLA, although you think
you have.
Add it to your long list of failures.
Snit will _never_ leave. Even if the cockroach were to die tomorrow,
he'd find a way to troll the newsgroup as a ghost or a corpse.
If North Korea drops a nuke on the USA the only life that will survive
will be the cockroaches and snit.
I'd be hard pressed to believe that North Korea didn't just nuke itself
in attempting to nuke the United States. Nothing about that country
strikes me as competent.
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Snit
2016-11-01 17:58:54 UTC
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Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I use pacman, not octopi for upgrading system, therefore I didn't new
they added functionality to resolve conflicts from terminal....
He's just hooking you. He's a loser. You have nothing to gain from him
at all. You're his toy. This is how he gets off. Give him a -9999 and
move on.
So how did that work for you Marek?
Not too well from your post -9999 replies to me.
You're just another Linux fool herd member who knows less about Linux
than you believe.
You haven't even managed to eradicate snit from COLA, although you think
you have.
Add it to your long list of failures.
Snit will _never_ leave. Even if the cockroach were to die tomorrow,
he'd find a way to troll the newsgroup as a ghost or a corpse.
Even after I had been gone almost a month Slimer could not stop obsessing
over me.

Amazing.
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William Poaster
2016-10-30 16:11:22 UTC
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Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I use pacman, not octopi for upgrading system, therefore I didn't new
they added functionality to resolve conflicts from terminal....
He's just hooking you. He's a loser. You have nothing to gain from him
at all. You're his toy. This is how he gets off. Give him a -9999 and
move on.
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Melzzzzz
2016-10-30 19:46:50 UTC
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Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I use pacman, not octopi for upgrading system, therefore I didn't new
they added functionality to resolve conflicts from terminal....
He's just hooking you. He's a loser. You have nothing to gain from him
at all. You're his toy. This is how he gets off. Give him a -9999 and
move on.
Heh, I never used automatic filtering in my life ;)
I would only use them on spam bots, but I can't see that many on usenet.
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Marek Novotny
2016-10-30 20:04:56 UTC
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Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I use pacman, not octopi for upgrading system, therefore I didn't new
they added functionality to resolve conflicts from terminal....
He's just hooking you. He's a loser. You have nothing to gain from him
at all. You're his toy. This is how he gets off. Give him a -9999 and
move on.
Heh, I never used automatic filtering in my life ;)
I would only use them on spam bots, but I can't see that many on usenet.
It's up to you. I'm merely making an observation.
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ronb
2016-10-30 20:52:44 UTC
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Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I use pacman, not octopi for upgrading system, therefore I didn't new
they added functionality to resolve conflicts from terminal....
He's just hooking you. He's a loser. You have nothing to gain from him
at all. You're his toy. This is how he gets off. Give him a -9999 and
move on.
Heh, I never used automatic filtering in my life ;)
I would only use them on spam bots, but I can't see that many on usenet.
It's up to you. I'm merely making an observation.
What's the practical difference between a spam bot and "Snit" or "Slime?"

But, as Marek says, to each their own.
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Melzzzzz
2016-10-30 20:54:46 UTC
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 20:52:44 -0000 (UTC)
Post by ronb
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I use pacman, not octopi for upgrading system, therefore I
didn't new they added functionality to resolve conflicts from
terminal....
He's just hooking you. He's a loser. You have nothing to gain
from him at all. You're his toy. This is how he gets off. Give
him a -9999 and move on.
Heh, I never used automatic filtering in my life ;)
I would only use them on spam bots, but I can't see that many on usenet.
It's up to you. I'm merely making an observation.
What's the practical difference between a spam bot and "Snit" or "Slime?"
Spam bot doesn't read and reply.
Post by ronb
But, as Marek says, to each their own.
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Peter Köhlmann
2016-10-30 21:42:22 UTC
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Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 20:52:44 -0000 (UTC)
Post by ronb
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I use pacman, not octopi for upgrading system, therefore I
didn't new they added functionality to resolve conflicts from
terminal....
He's just hooking you. He's a loser. You have nothing to gain
from him at all. You're his toy. This is how he gets off. Give
him a -9999 and move on.
Heh, I never used automatic filtering in my life ;)
I would only use them on spam bots, but I can't see that many on usenet.
It's up to you. I'm merely making an observation.
What's the practical difference between a spam bot and "Snit" or "Slime?"
Spam bot doesn't read and reply.
Neither do the trolls
ronb
2016-10-31 18:08:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Köhlmann
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 20:52:44 -0000 (UTC)
Post by ronb
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
I use pacman, not octopi for upgrading system, therefore I didn't
new they added functionality to resolve conflicts from
terminal....
He's just hooking you. He's a loser. You have nothing to gain from
him at all. You're his toy. This is how he gets off. Give him a
-9999 and move on.
Heh, I never used automatic filtering in my life ;)
I would only use them on spam bots, but I can't see that many on usenet.
It's up to you. I'm merely making an observation.
What's the practical difference between a spam bot and "Snit" or "Slime?"
Spam bot doesn't read and reply.
Neither do the trolls
Exactly.
--
Zero tolerance for iCultists and WinDrones
Melzzzzz
2016-10-30 14:33:35 UTC
Permalink
On 30 Oct 2016 13:49:47 GMT
Post by Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but
alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset,
switched back to 4.7...
What bug? I don't see this bug on my 4.8 and I use rsync every
fucking day.
You must have some weird setup that invites problems.
You can try to modify /proc/sys/kernel/watchdog_thresh
to a large value.
Look I know kernel bug when I see one. kswapd goes hayway, and couldn't
kill rsync process which got stuck. dmesg was full of BUG messages (CPU
stuck) and I have 32GB of RAM....
Since I have no such problems with 4.7 I conclude it is a kernel rather
hardware thing...
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Silver Slimer
2016-10-30 16:47:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Melzzzzz
On 30 Oct 2016 13:49:47 GMT
Post by Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but
alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset,
switched back to 4.7...
What bug? I don't see this bug on my 4.8 and I use rsync every
fucking day.
You must have some weird setup that invites problems.
You can try to modify /proc/sys/kernel/watchdog_thresh
to a large value.
Look I know kernel bug when I see one.
And you admit that they exist unlike the other Linux advocates. It's the
reason why I insist on still reading your posts even though I've
filtered all of the others.
Post by Melzzzzz
kswapd goes hayway, and couldn't
kill rsync process which got stuck. dmesg was full of BUG messages (CPU
stuck) and I have 32GB of RAM....
Since I have no such problems with 4.7 I conclude it is a kernel rather
hardware thing...
Your hardware is unlikely to ever be faulty. If things don't work, it's
almost always going to be Linux's fault.
--
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Jim Polaski
2016-10-30 18:38:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Melzzzzz
On 30 Oct 2016 13:49:47 GMT
Post by Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but
alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset,
switched back to 4.7...
What bug? I don't see this bug on my 4.8 and I use rsync every
fucking day.
You must have some weird setup that invites problems.
You can try to modify /proc/sys/kernel/watchdog_thresh
to a large value.
Look I know kernel bug when I see one.
And you admit that they exist unlike the other Linux advocates. It's the
reason why I insist on still reading your posts even though I've
filtered all of the others.
Melzzzzz is one of the better Linux advocates.
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Melzzzzz
kswapd goes hayway, and couldn't
kill rsync process which got stuck. dmesg was full of BUG messages (CPU
stuck) and I have 32GB of RAM....
Since I have no such problems with 4.7 I conclude it is a kernel rather
hardware thing...
Your hardware is unlikely to ever be faulty. If things don't work, it's
almost always going to be Linux's fault.
Yep.
If Linux is involved, it's 98 percent a Linux problem and 2 percent a
faulty hardware problem.
Chris Ahlstrom
2016-10-30 14:14:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
What!!!? "Skippy Fandango" claims we *never ever* discuss Linux problems
and call those who report them trolls!

Do you think "Skippy" could be talking out his ass!?!?!?
--
You have no real enemies.
Jim Polaski
2016-10-30 14:24:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
What!!!? "Skippy Fandango" claims we *never ever* discuss Linux problems
and call those who report them trolls!
Do you think "Skippy" could be talking out his ass!?!?!?
Have you graduated from wiping dicks to wiping asses now?
Or is that something you read in Mad Magazine?
Marek Novotny
2016-10-30 14:26:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
What!!!? "Skippy Fandango" claims we *never ever* discuss Linux problems
and call those who report them trolls!
Do you think "Skippy" could be talking out his ass!?!?!?
Just goes to show how full of shit they are. I have said the entire time
I've used Linux that we indeed discuss bugs. We have very public bug
trackers and the entire Linux kernel is developed out in the open. It's
just another classic case of trolls being retarded idiots that just make
shit up.
--
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny
chrisv
2016-10-31 12:32:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
What!!!? "Skippy Fandango" claims we *never ever* discuss Linux problems
and call those who report them trolls!
Do you think "Skippy" could be talking out his ass!?!?!?
Just goes to show how full of shit they are. I have said the entire time
I've used Linux that we indeed discuss bugs. We have very public bug
trackers and the entire Linux kernel is developed out in the open. It's
just another classic case of trolls being retarded idiots that just make
shit up.
I don't think that's there's ever been a troll in here who has not
spewed the "you can't say one bad thing about Linux without getting
attacked" *lie*.
--
"If we're even mildly critical of GNU/Linux, we're liars and trolls."
- "Slimer", lying shamelessly
Jim Polaski
2016-10-31 12:59:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by chrisv
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but alas got
BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset, switched back to
4.7...
What!!!? "Skippy Fandango" claims we *never ever* discuss Linux problems
and call those who report them trolls!
Do you think "Skippy" could be talking out his ass!?!?!?
Just goes to show how full of shit they are. I have said the entire time
I've used Linux that we indeed discuss bugs. We have very public bug
trackers and the entire Linux kernel is developed out in the open. It's
just another classic case of trolls being retarded idiots that just make
shit up.
I don't think that's there's ever been a troll in here who has not
spewed the "you can't say one bad thing about Linux without getting
attacked" *lie*.
That's because it is 100 percent true.
Disagree with the Linux Cabal, even on a minor issue and you will be
attacked.

I was completely 100 percent civil and courteous up until your Cabal
member Chris Ahlstrom attacked me because I didn't snip some of Silver
Slimer's attacks on his wife.
That was the turning point for me because despite being a Linux user,
unlike you, "Mr Forte Agent" chrisv, I realized that what Silver Slimer,
DFS, Greycloud, Steve Carroll, Deplorable Owl and others were saying
about the losers in this COLA group as well as Linux was and is true.

Couple that with the lies I see from the Linux COLA Cabal, and being a
Linux user I can easily tell when you losers are omitting facts about
Linux failing, I decided to give you, the Linux COLA Cabal exactly what
you expect.
You want another anti-Linux, or more accurately another anti-Linux
"advocate" poster, well you got one. And in spades.

I'll take Silver Slimer or DFS any day of the week over scum like you
and the rest of your paranoid, lying, creepy Linux COLA Cabal.

Oh, and if you need help installing Linux so you can actually use the
operating system you love so dearly, I'm willing to help you.
Melzzzzz
2016-10-30 14:26:18 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 10:14:00 -0400
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but
alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset,
switched back to 4.7...
What!!!? "Skippy Fandango" claims we *never ever* discuss Linux
problems and call those who report them trolls!
Do you think "Skippy" could be talking out his ass!?!?!?
Skippy, spindrift, Jim ... same guy...
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Jim Polaski
2016-10-30 14:31:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 10:14:00 -0400
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but
alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset,
switched back to 4.7...
What!!!? "Skippy Fandango" claims we *never ever* discuss Linux
problems and call those who report them trolls!
Do you think "Skippy" could be talking out his ass!?!?!?
Skippy, spindrift, Jim ... same guy...
Please leave me out of your conspiracy theories.
You are wrong, as usual. At least for me.
William Poaster
2016-10-30 16:09:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 10:14:00 -0400
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but
alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset,
switched back to 4.7...
What!!!? "Skippy Fandango" claims we *never ever* discuss Linux
problems and call those who report them trolls!
Do you think "Skippy" could be talking out his ass!?!?!?
Skippy, spindrift, Jim ... same guy...
The "40tude_Dialog" trolling idiot.
--
What IS remarkable, is that a well developed ape has come
to realise that he lives on a planet, circling a sun, in a
planetary system, within a galaxy, within a universe.
- Professor Michio Kaku - Theoretical Physicist -
Melzzzzz
2016-10-30 20:47:50 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but
alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset,
switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages regarding
zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I had
problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
--
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Jim Polaski
2016-10-30 20:50:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but
alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset,
switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages regarding
zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I had
problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
Sometimes I think you Linux dweebs would be bored if Linux actually
worked.
Melzzzzz
2016-10-30 21:06:23 UTC
Permalink
On 30 Oct 2016 20:50:12 GMT
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but
alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset,
switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages
regarding zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I had
problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
Sometimes I think you Linux dweebs would be bored if Linux actually
worked.
Constant fun flatfish! ;)
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Jim Polaski
2016-10-30 21:09:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Melzzzzz
On 30 Oct 2016 20:50:12 GMT
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but
alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset,
switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages
regarding zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I had
problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
Sometimes I think you Linux dweebs would be bored if Linux actually
worked.
Constant fun flatfish! ;)
I'm not flatfish.
Chris Ahlstrom
2016-10-30 22:58:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Melzzzzz
On 30 Oct 2016 20:50:12 GMT
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but
alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset,
switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages
regarding zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I had
problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
Sometimes I think you Linux dweebs would be bored if Linux actually
worked.
It does work. I use it for about 90% of my computing.
Post by Melzzzzz
Constant fun flatfish! ;)
He should go somewhere else and promote Windows. Or maybe help
out the Gates Foundation.
--
You will be singled out for promotion in your work.
Melzzzzz
2016-10-30 23:51:59 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 18:58:34 -0400
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
On 30 Oct 2016 20:50:12 GMT
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7,
but alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to
hard reset, switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages
regarding zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I
had problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
Sometimes I think you Linux dweebs would be bored if Linux
actually worked.
It does work. I use it for about 90% of my computing.
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems are
expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two instances
of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
Constant fun flatfish! ;)
He should go somewhere else and promote Windows. Or maybe help
out the Gates Foundation.
He promotes Window alright ;)
--
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Jim Polaski
2016-10-31 00:15:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 18:58:34 -0400
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
On 30 Oct 2016 20:50:12 GMT
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7,
but alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to
hard reset, switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages
regarding zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I
had problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
Sometimes I think you Linux dweebs would be bored if Linux
actually worked.
It does work. I use it for about 90% of my computing.
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems are
expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two instances
of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
So then you can't be using Linux for anything important.
Unless tinkering with Linux is important to you.
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
Constant fun flatfish! ;)
He should go somewhere else and promote Windows. Or maybe help
out the Gates Foundation.
He promotes Window alright ;)
People can choose to use Linux if they desire to.
They don't.
The reason is Linux sucks as a desktop system and all the lying and half
truths told by the Linux herd can't change that.

When something given away for free is shunned by some 99 percent of
computer users it's time to reevaluate that product and make changes in
order to make the product more appealing to the market.
It will never happen though. Linux will continue to fragment, cause
division of the users (can you say systemd?) and so forth.
And with complete idiots like Chris Ahlstrom, William Poaster, 7, chrisv
and many others like them "advocating" Linux, Microsoft has nothing to
worry about.
For Microsoft it's like a war against 5 different armys where one has
the guns, another has the bullets, another has the maps, another the
petrol and the last has the trucks to transport the troops. The problem
is none of the armys talk to each other.
That's Linux.
And that's why Linux has been stagnating as a desktop system since the
day it was born.
Silver Slimer
2016-10-31 13:19:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 18:58:34 -0400
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
On 30 Oct 2016 20:50:12 GMT
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7,
but alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to
hard reset, switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages
regarding zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I
had problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
Sometimes I think you Linux dweebs would be bored if Linux
actually worked.
It does work. I use it for about 90% of my computing.
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems are
expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two instances
of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
So then you can't be using Linux for anything important.
Unless tinkering with Linux is important to you.
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
Constant fun flatfish! ;)
He should go somewhere else and promote Windows. Or maybe help
out the Gates Foundation.
He promotes Window alright ;)
People can choose to use Linux if they desire to.
They don't.
The reason is Linux sucks as a desktop system and all the lying and half
truths told by the Linux herd can't change that.
When something given away for free is shunned by some 99 percent of
computer users it's time to reevaluate that product and make changes in
order to make the product more appealing to the market.
It will never happen though. Linux will continue to fragment, cause
division of the users (can you say systemd?) and so forth.
Use GTK or use QT? Use Mir or use Wayland? It never ends with the
controversies in the Linux camp.
Post by Jim Polaski
And with complete idiots like Chris Ahlstrom, William Poaster, 7, chrisv
and many others like them "advocating" Linux, Microsoft has nothing to
worry about.
At the very least, Linux will appear to be the choice of closet
homosexuals, transsexuals and idiots.
Post by Jim Polaski
For Microsoft it's like a war against 5 different armys where one has
the guns, another has the bullets, another has the maps, another the
petrol and the last has the trucks to transport the troops. The problem
is none of the armys talk to each other.
That's Linux.
Like the Soviet army during the Second World War.
Post by Jim Polaski
And that's why Linux has been stagnating as a desktop system since the
day it was born.
To be fair, it's improved but it's still a gigantic distance from where
it should be.
--
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Islam is a disease
Proud libertarian, unapologetic nerd, author, gamer, beast-mode teacher
and silver-tongued heel
Fingerprint: e58428b2633833a3b0c9bb7e40819166642245b7
Gab.ai: @silverslimer
Jim Polaski
2016-10-31 13:53:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 18:58:34 -0400
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
On 30 Oct 2016 20:50:12 GMT
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7,
but alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to
hard reset, switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages
regarding zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I
had problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
Sometimes I think you Linux dweebs would be bored if Linux
actually worked.
It does work. I use it for about 90% of my computing.
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems are
expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two instances
of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
So then you can't be using Linux for anything important.
Unless tinkering with Linux is important to you.
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
Constant fun flatfish! ;)
He should go somewhere else and promote Windows. Or maybe help
out the Gates Foundation.
He promotes Window alright ;)
People can choose to use Linux if they desire to.
They don't.
The reason is Linux sucks as a desktop system and all the lying and half
truths told by the Linux herd can't change that.
When something given away for free is shunned by some 99 percent of
computer users it's time to reevaluate that product and make changes in
order to make the product more appealing to the market.
It will never happen though. Linux will continue to fragment, cause
division of the users (can you say systemd?) and so forth.
Use GTK or use QT? Use Mir or use Wayland? It never ends with the
controversies in the Linux camp.
Th infighting is harming Linux as a whole. If anything it makes the
Linux users and developers look like spoiled babies.
And they are.
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
And with complete idiots like Chris Ahlstrom, William Poaster, 7, chrisv
and many others like them "advocating" Linux, Microsoft has nothing to
worry about.
At the very least, Linux will appear to be the choice of closet
homosexuals, transsexuals and idiots.
Someone should create a Linux distribution for sexually confused Linux
users and call it :

"TrannyLinux"

Or "TransLix".
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
For Microsoft it's like a war against 5 different armys where one has
the guns, another has the bullets, another has the maps, another the
petrol and the last has the trucks to transport the troops. The problem
is none of the armys talk to each other.
That's Linux.
Like the Soviet army during the Second World War.
Yes.
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
And that's why Linux has been stagnating as a desktop system since the
day it was born.
To be fair, it's improved but it's still a gigantic distance from where
it should be.
Sure Linux has improved. It's where Windows XP's last version was about
10 years ago.
And that's a maybe.
Silver Slimer
2016-10-31 16:29:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 18:58:34 -0400
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
On 30 Oct 2016 20:50:12 GMT
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7,
but alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to
hard reset, switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages
regarding zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I
had problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
Sometimes I think you Linux dweebs would be bored if Linux
actually worked.
It does work. I use it for about 90% of my computing.
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems are
expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two instances
of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
So then you can't be using Linux for anything important.
Unless tinkering with Linux is important to you.
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
Constant fun flatfish! ;)
He should go somewhere else and promote Windows. Or maybe help
out the Gates Foundation.
He promotes Window alright ;)
People can choose to use Linux if they desire to.
They don't.
The reason is Linux sucks as a desktop system and all the lying and half
truths told by the Linux herd can't change that.
When something given away for free is shunned by some 99 percent of
computer users it's time to reevaluate that product and make changes in
order to make the product more appealing to the market.
It will never happen though. Linux will continue to fragment, cause
division of the users (can you say systemd?) and so forth.
Use GTK or use QT? Use Mir or use Wayland? It never ends with the
controversies in the Linux camp.
Th infighting is harming Linux as a whole. If anything it makes the
Linux users and developers look like spoiled babies.
And they are.
The "advocates" will tell you that it doesn't matter whether you prefer
QT or GTK as the programs of one will work in the environment of the
other as long as the dependencies are installed. Those dependencies,
however, don't prevent programs from one library from looking completely
off in the environment of the other. These programs usually ignore
personalization choices and any other settings your system might have.
As or Wayland vs. Mir, this is a situation where both camps would
clearly have benefited from working together rather than competing for
what is essentially the same thing. If they had, we'd have a finished
product instead of two shoddy, unstable and unfinished ones.
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
And with complete idiots like Chris Ahlstrom, William Poaster, 7, chrisv
and many others like them "advocating" Linux, Microsoft has nothing to
worry about.
At the very least, Linux will appear to be the choice of closet
homosexuals, transsexuals and idiots.
Someone should create a Linux distribution for sexually confused Linux
"TrannyLinux"
Or "TransLix".
You seem to be suggesting that there is such a thing as a Linux user who
_isn't_ sexually confused.
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
For Microsoft it's like a war against 5 different armys where one has
the guns, another has the bullets, another has the maps, another the
petrol and the last has the trucks to transport the troops. The problem
is none of the armys talk to each other.
That's Linux.
Like the Soviet army during the Second World War.
Yes.
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
And that's why Linux has been stagnating as a desktop system since the
day it was born.
To be fair, it's improved but it's still a gigantic distance from where
it should be.
Sure Linux has improved. It's where Windows XP's last version was about
10 years ago.
And that's a maybe.
Mind you, XP was ridiculously stable AND fast which is one of the many
reasons people still hold onto it to this day. Linux is not stable
though it is very fast if you choose the right desktop environment. So
it still doesn't compare too well to Windows XP.
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Jim Polaski
2016-10-31 16:52:55 UTC
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Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 18:58:34 -0400
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
On 30 Oct 2016 20:50:12 GMT
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7,
but alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to
hard reset, switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages
regarding zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I
had problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
Sometimes I think you Linux dweebs would be bored if Linux
actually worked.
It does work. I use it for about 90% of my computing.
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems are
expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two instances
of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
So then you can't be using Linux for anything important.
Unless tinkering with Linux is important to you.
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
Constant fun flatfish! ;)
He should go somewhere else and promote Windows. Or maybe help
out the Gates Foundation.
He promotes Window alright ;)
People can choose to use Linux if they desire to.
They don't.
The reason is Linux sucks as a desktop system and all the lying and half
truths told by the Linux herd can't change that.
When something given away for free is shunned by some 99 percent of
computer users it's time to reevaluate that product and make changes in
order to make the product more appealing to the market.
It will never happen though. Linux will continue to fragment, cause
division of the users (can you say systemd?) and so forth.
Use GTK or use QT? Use Mir or use Wayland? It never ends with the
controversies in the Linux camp.
Th infighting is harming Linux as a whole. If anything it makes the
Linux users and developers look like spoiled babies.
And they are.
The "advocates" will tell you that it doesn't matter whether you prefer
QT or GTK as the programs of one will work in the environment of the
other as long as the dependencies are installed. Those dependencies,
however, don't prevent programs from one library from looking completely
off in the environment of the other. These programs usually ignore
personalization choices and any other settings your system might have.
As or Wayland vs. Mir, this is a situation where both camps would
clearly have benefited from working together rather than competing for
what is essentially the same thing. If they had, we'd have a finished
product instead of two shoddy, unstable and unfinished ones.
Exactly.
Linux does a lot of different things.
The problem is it doesn't do them well.
Linux has 15 crappy, inconsistent DE vs one quality, consistent DE like
OSX or Windows.
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
And with complete idiots like Chris Ahlstrom, William Poaster, 7, chrisv
and many others like them "advocating" Linux, Microsoft has nothing to
worry about.
At the very least, Linux will appear to be the choice of closet
homosexuals, transsexuals and idiots.
Someone should create a Linux distribution for sexually confused Linux
"TrannyLinux"
Or "TransLix".
You seem to be suggesting that there is such a thing as a Linux user who
_isn't_ sexually confused.
Better yet!
The distribution will be at the top of Distrowatch in no time!
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
For Microsoft it's like a war against 5 different armys where one has
the guns, another has the bullets, another has the maps, another the
petrol and the last has the trucks to transport the troops. The problem
is none of the armys talk to each other.
That's Linux.
Like the Soviet army during the Second World War.
Yes.
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
And that's why Linux has been stagnating as a desktop system since the
day it was born.
To be fair, it's improved but it's still a gigantic distance from where
it should be.
Sure Linux has improved. It's where Windows XP's last version was about
10 years ago.
And that's a maybe.
Mind you, XP was ridiculously stable AND fast which is one of the many
reasons people still hold onto it to this day. Linux is not stable
though it is very fast if you choose the right desktop environment. So
it still doesn't compare too well to Windows XP.
And then there is that pesky topic of applications.
GreyCloud
2016-10-31 18:01:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 18:58:34 -0400
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
On 30 Oct 2016 20:50:12 GMT
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7,
but alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to
hard reset, switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages
regarding zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I
had problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
Sometimes I think you Linux dweebs would be bored if Linux
actually worked.
It does work. I use it for about 90% of my computing.
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems are
expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two instances
of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
So then you can't be using Linux for anything important.
Unless tinkering with Linux is important to you.
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
Constant fun flatfish! ;)
He should go somewhere else and promote Windows. Or maybe help
out the Gates Foundation.
He promotes Window alright ;)
People can choose to use Linux if they desire to.
They don't.
The reason is Linux sucks as a desktop system and all the lying and half
truths told by the Linux herd can't change that.
When something given away for free is shunned by some 99 percent of
computer users it's time to reevaluate that product and make changes in
order to make the product more appealing to the market.
It will never happen though. Linux will continue to fragment, cause
division of the users (can you say systemd?) and so forth.
Use GTK or use QT? Use Mir or use Wayland? It never ends with the
controversies in the Linux camp.
Th infighting is harming Linux as a whole. If anything it makes the
Linux users and developers look like spoiled babies.
And they are.
The "advocates" will tell you that it doesn't matter whether you prefer
QT or GTK as the programs of one will work in the environment of the
other as long as the dependencies are installed. Those dependencies,
however, don't prevent programs from one library from looking completely
off in the environment of the other. These programs usually ignore
personalization choices and any other settings your system might have.
As or Wayland vs. Mir, this is a situation where both camps would
clearly have benefited from working together rather than competing for
what is essentially the same thing. If they had, we'd have a finished
product instead of two shoddy, unstable and unfinished ones.
Exactly.
Linux does a lot of different things.
The problem is it doesn't do them well.
Linux has 15 crappy, inconsistent DE vs one quality, consistent DE like
OSX or Windows.
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
And with complete idiots like Chris Ahlstrom, William Poaster, 7, chrisv
and many others like them "advocating" Linux, Microsoft has nothing to
worry about.
At the very least, Linux will appear to be the choice of closet
homosexuals, transsexuals and idiots.
Someone should create a Linux distribution for sexually confused Linux
"TrannyLinux"
Or "TransLix".
You seem to be suggesting that there is such a thing as a Linux user who
_isn't_ sexually confused.
Better yet!
The distribution will be at the top of Distrowatch in no time!
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
For Microsoft it's like a war against 5 different armys where one has
the guns, another has the bullets, another has the maps, another the
petrol and the last has the trucks to transport the troops. The problem
is none of the armys talk to each other.
That's Linux.
Like the Soviet army during the Second World War.
Yes.
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
And that's why Linux has been stagnating as a desktop system since the
day it was born.
To be fair, it's improved but it's still a gigantic distance from where
it should be.
Sure Linux has improved. It's where Windows XP's last version was about
10 years ago.
And that's a maybe.
Mind you, XP was ridiculously stable AND fast which is one of the many
reasons people still hold onto it to this day. Linux is not stable
though it is very fast if you choose the right desktop environment. So
it still doesn't compare too well to Windows XP.
And then there is that pesky topic of applications.
There is one thing I noticed about OS X... they have violated their own
GUI guidlines. In TextEdit, there used to be "Save As...", but it is
now gone in El Capitan. Now there is just "Save". So how does one save
an Untitled file with a new name? You have to use the menu item Move.
Really dumb one.
Jim Polaski
2016-10-31 18:05:18 UTC
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Post by GreyCloud
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 18:58:34 -0400
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
On 30 Oct 2016 20:50:12 GMT
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7,
but alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to
hard reset, switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages
regarding zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I
had problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
Sometimes I think you Linux dweebs would be bored if Linux
actually worked.
It does work. I use it for about 90% of my computing.
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems are
expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two instances
of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
So then you can't be using Linux for anything important.
Unless tinkering with Linux is important to you.
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
Constant fun flatfish! ;)
He should go somewhere else and promote Windows. Or maybe help
out the Gates Foundation.
He promotes Window alright ;)
People can choose to use Linux if they desire to.
They don't.
The reason is Linux sucks as a desktop system and all the lying and half
truths told by the Linux herd can't change that.
When something given away for free is shunned by some 99 percent of
computer users it's time to reevaluate that product and make changes in
order to make the product more appealing to the market.
It will never happen though. Linux will continue to fragment, cause
division of the users (can you say systemd?) and so forth.
Use GTK or use QT? Use Mir or use Wayland? It never ends with the
controversies in the Linux camp.
Th infighting is harming Linux as a whole. If anything it makes the
Linux users and developers look like spoiled babies.
And they are.
The "advocates" will tell you that it doesn't matter whether you prefer
QT or GTK as the programs of one will work in the environment of the
other as long as the dependencies are installed. Those dependencies,
however, don't prevent programs from one library from looking completely
off in the environment of the other. These programs usually ignore
personalization choices and any other settings your system might have.
As or Wayland vs. Mir, this is a situation where both camps would
clearly have benefited from working together rather than competing for
what is essentially the same thing. If they had, we'd have a finished
product instead of two shoddy, unstable and unfinished ones.
Exactly.
Linux does a lot of different things.
The problem is it doesn't do them well.
Linux has 15 crappy, inconsistent DE vs one quality, consistent DE like
OSX or Windows.
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
And with complete idiots like Chris Ahlstrom, William Poaster, 7, chrisv
and many others like them "advocating" Linux, Microsoft has nothing to
worry about.
At the very least, Linux will appear to be the choice of closet
homosexuals, transsexuals and idiots.
Someone should create a Linux distribution for sexually confused Linux
"TrannyLinux"
Or "TransLix".
You seem to be suggesting that there is such a thing as a Linux user who
_isn't_ sexually confused.
Better yet!
The distribution will be at the top of Distrowatch in no time!
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
For Microsoft it's like a war against 5 different armys where one has
the guns, another has the bullets, another has the maps, another the
petrol and the last has the trucks to transport the troops. The problem
is none of the armys talk to each other.
That's Linux.
Like the Soviet army during the Second World War.
Yes.
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
And that's why Linux has been stagnating as a desktop system since the
day it was born.
To be fair, it's improved but it's still a gigantic distance from where
it should be.
Sure Linux has improved. It's where Windows XP's last version was about
10 years ago.
And that's a maybe.
Mind you, XP was ridiculously stable AND fast which is one of the many
reasons people still hold onto it to this day. Linux is not stable
though it is very fast if you choose the right desktop environment. So
it still doesn't compare too well to Windows XP.
And then there is that pesky topic of applications.
There is one thing I noticed about OS X... they have violated their own
GUI guidlines. In TextEdit, there used to be "Save As...", but it is
now gone in El Capitan. Now there is just "Save". So how does one save
an Untitled file with a new name? You have to use the menu item Move.
Really dumb one.
Apple is realling going down the drain these days.
Look at the prices on their recent MBP models.
Way overpriced for the power you are getting.
Melzzzzz
2016-10-31 18:12:26 UTC
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Post by Jim Polaski
Post by GreyCloud
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 18:58:34 -0400
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
On 30 Oct 2016 20:50:12 GMT
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7,
but alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to
hard reset, switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages
regarding zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I
had problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
Sometimes I think you Linux dweebs would be bored if Linux
actually worked.
It does work. I use it for about 90% of my computing.
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems are
expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two instances
of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
So then you can't be using Linux for anything important.
Unless tinkering with Linux is important to you.
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
Constant fun flatfish! ;)
He should go somewhere else and promote Windows. Or maybe help
out the Gates Foundation.
He promotes Window alright ;)
People can choose to use Linux if they desire to.
They don't.
The reason is Linux sucks as a desktop system and all the lying and half
truths told by the Linux herd can't change that.
When something given away for free is shunned by some 99 percent of
computer users it's time to reevaluate that product and make changes in
order to make the product more appealing to the market.
It will never happen though. Linux will continue to fragment, cause
division of the users (can you say systemd?) and so forth.
Use GTK or use QT? Use Mir or use Wayland? It never ends with the
controversies in the Linux camp.
Th infighting is harming Linux as a whole. If anything it makes the
Linux users and developers look like spoiled babies.
And they are.
The "advocates" will tell you that it doesn't matter whether you prefer
QT or GTK as the programs of one will work in the environment of the
other as long as the dependencies are installed. Those dependencies,
however, don't prevent programs from one library from looking completely
off in the environment of the other. These programs usually ignore
personalization choices and any other settings your system might have.
As or Wayland vs. Mir, this is a situation where both camps would
clearly have benefited from working together rather than competing for
what is essentially the same thing. If they had, we'd have a finished
product instead of two shoddy, unstable and unfinished ones.
Exactly.
Linux does a lot of different things.
The problem is it doesn't do them well.
Linux has 15 crappy, inconsistent DE vs one quality, consistent DE like
OSX or Windows.
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
And with complete idiots like Chris Ahlstrom, William Poaster, 7, chrisv
and many others like them "advocating" Linux, Microsoft has nothing to
worry about.
At the very least, Linux will appear to be the choice of closet
homosexuals, transsexuals and idiots.
Someone should create a Linux distribution for sexually confused Linux
"TrannyLinux"
Or "TransLix".
You seem to be suggesting that there is such a thing as a Linux user who
_isn't_ sexually confused.
Better yet!
The distribution will be at the top of Distrowatch in no time!
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
For Microsoft it's like a war against 5 different armys where one has
the guns, another has the bullets, another has the maps, another the
petrol and the last has the trucks to transport the troops. The problem
is none of the armys talk to each other.
That's Linux.
Like the Soviet army during the Second World War.
Yes.
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
And that's why Linux has been stagnating as a desktop system since the
day it was born.
To be fair, it's improved but it's still a gigantic distance from where
it should be.
Sure Linux has improved. It's where Windows XP's last version was about
10 years ago.
And that's a maybe.
Mind you, XP was ridiculously stable AND fast which is one of the many
reasons people still hold onto it to this day. Linux is not stable
though it is very fast if you choose the right desktop environment. So
it still doesn't compare too well to Windows XP.
And then there is that pesky topic of applications.
There is one thing I noticed about OS X... they have violated their own
GUI guidlines. In TextEdit, there used to be "Save As...", but it is
now gone in El Capitan. Now there is just "Save". So how does one save
an Untitled file with a new name? You have to use the menu item Move.
Really dumb one.
Apple is realling going down the drain these days.
Look at the prices on their recent MBP models.
Way overpriced for the power you are getting.
Is it true that new mac book does not have ESC and function keys? No more vi
for mac users ;)
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Marek Novotny
2016-10-31 19:08:08 UTC
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Post by Melzzzzz
Is it true that new mac book does not have ESC and function keys? No more vi
for mac users ;)
They make a 13" that has the normal function keys.
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https://github.com/marek-novotny
Chris Ahlstrom
2016-10-31 23:27:30 UTC
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Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
Is it true that new mac book does not have ESC and function keys? No more vi
for mac users ;)
They make a 13" that has the normal function keys.
There's always xmodmap :-D
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A: Under the Polish Constitution citizens are guaranteed freedom of
speech, but under the United States constitution they are
guaranteed freedom after speech.
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Jim Polaski
2016-10-31 23:44:38 UTC
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Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
Is it true that new mac book does not have ESC and function keys? No more vi
for mac users ;)
They make a 13" that has the normal function keys.
There's always xmodmap :-D
Yea sure. A Mac user wouldn't be caught dead using that cryptic crap.
Fortunately they don't have to. Key-remapping is built into OSX Sierra.

First the Mac way and then the totally fucked up Linux way:


http://www.macworld.com/article/3135735/input-devices/how-to-bring-back-a-physical-escape-key-on-the-new-macbook-pro-with-touch-bar.html


"
The esc key isn't completely gone. If the Touch Bar is in another mode,
you can hold down the fn key on the lower left of the keyboard. That
will make the function keys appear on the Touch Bar, and that includes
an esc key.


Maybe that's not good enough for you. Maybe you want a physical esc key
you can access instantly. What you want to do is remap the Escape key to
another key on your Mac. Here’s how.

Go to Apple menu > System Preferences, and click on Keyboard.
Click the Keyboard tab if it’s not active, and then click the
Modifier Keys button on the lower right.

In the pop-up window that appears, select your keyboard from the
“Select keyboard” pop-up menu at the top.

You’ll see a list of four keys: Caps Lock, Control, Option, and
Command. You can reassign one of those keys to act as the Escape key.
You may not want to select the Command key, since it’s frequently used
for keyboard shortcuts. You may not want to use Control or Option,
either, for the same reason. In my example, I’m reassigning the Caps
Lock key to be my new Escape key.
macos keybaord remap esc

Pick a key you want to reassign, then click on the pop-up menu to
the right of that key, Select Escape.

Click OK. You can also quit System Preferences.



Now we present the Linux method.
ROTFLMAO!



http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/keyboard/old.html

"xev

xev is a command-line program which pops up a simple window that traps
and prints out all the events (cursor movement, keyboard taps, etc.).
For example, if you fire it up, type "N", and then close the window,
you'll get back something that says "KeyRelease event .... keycode 57
(keysym 0x63, n) ....". This indicates that the key you pressed is
keycode 57 (in decimal), and that it's associated with the "key symbol"
(keysym) "n". The crucial thing to use xev for is to identify the
keycodes of the control, command, option/alt, fn, eject, and various
function keys. Unfortunately, you'll need them in hexadecimal for the
next step, rather than decimal. To avoid having to convert, here are the
important ones pre-converted for you:

Key Keycode
esc 0x09
F1 0x43
F2 0x44
F3 0x45
F4 0x46
F5 0x47
F6 0x48
F7 0x49
F8 0x4a
F9 0x4b
F10 0x4c
F11 0x5f
F12 0x60
eject 0xfd
left alt 0x40 (likely mapped to "Alt_L" keysym)
left command 0x73 (likely mapped to "Super_L" keysym)
right command 0x74 (likely mapped to "Super_R" keysym)
right alt 0x71 (likely mapped to "Alt_R" keysym)

You can refer to other keys by their "keysym" key symbols: a, b, c, 4,
etc. Some special keysym names: minus, equal, comma, period, slash,
backslash, bracketleft, bracketright, apostrophe, semicolon, space,
grave (for the ` key), Return, Tab, BackSpace, Caps_Lock, Up, Down,
Left, Right (note the capitalization and spelling).

Notice the key that's missing: the fn key. This key does not generate X
events, and so is, as far as we're concerned, totally dead. You can't
use it.
xmodmap

Now we move on to xmodmap, an old X11 program which remaps keys to
various functions. xmodmap responds to commands which you can issue
either one-by-one on the command line (xmodmap -e "put command here") or
by sticking them, one to a line, in a file and calling xmodmap
filename). Traditionally the filename you use is called .xmodmap, stored
in your home directory, since in a more typical X windows scenario it'd
get called automatically: but as maemo doesn't do that, you can call it
whatever you like since you'll have to manually call the xmodmap program
anyway. The important commands are:

keysym key symbol = keymapping
Indicates that the key presently associated with key symbol should
be used with the given keymapping. A keymapping is up to four key
symbols representing the (1) standard keypress, (2) shifted keypress,
(3) "mode switched" keypress (a second shift key, what Mac users would
call "option" and european PC users would call "AltGr") and (4)
shifted+mode switched keypress. You don't have to provide all four: for
example, you can provide just the first two if you like.

Examples:
keysym equal = equal plus notequal plusminus
keysym z = z Z Greek_omega Greek_OMEGA
keysym a = a A agrave Agrave
keysym j = j J

keycode key code = keymapping
Same as the keysym command, only using the key associated with a
given key code. This is useful for keys which don't presently have
associated key symbols. Keep in mind that the key code has to be in
hexadecimal.

Examples:
keycode 0xfd = Page_Down
keycode 0x5f = End twosuperior threeighths onehalf

clear modifier
Eliminates all keys from being associated with a given modifier key
type. There are eight modifier key types: Shift, Lock, Control, Mod1,
Mod2, Mod3, Mod4, Mod5. You can set Mod1...Mod5 to whatever modifier
functions you want: for example, associate mod5 with mode-switch
("option" or "AltGr"), and I associate Mod1 with Alt. The idea here is
that multiple keys can be associated with the same modifier function
(for example, your two shift keys).

Examples:
clear Mod1

add modifier = key symbol
Adds the key associated with key symbol to be a modifier of the
given type.

Examples:
add Control = Super_L
add Mod1 = Alt_R

remove modifier = key symbol
Removes the key associated with key symbol to be a modifier of the
given type.

Examples:
remove Control = Control_R

! comment
A comment. Blank lines are also acceptable.

Examples:
! This is a comment line
!!!! This is a more emphasized comment line :-)

Here's an excellent tutorial on xmodmap.

You can find all the key symbol names in X11's keysymdef.h file. Strip
off the "XK_" to get the key symbol name. Here's a page with unicode
symbol equivalents for all of the printable key symbols. Sadly, Nokia's
fonts have a dearth of available symbols, though it does appear that
they contain at least the union of Microsoft's Windows-1252 (so-called
"ANSI"), Microsoft's Windows Glyph List 4, and Apple's MacRoman
character sets (except U+F8FF, the Apple Logo).
My Personal .xmodmap File
I already have a working .xmodmap file. Its goals were:

Because Nokia's virtual keyboard refuses to come up even when you
try to force it (see below), we should include all the bindings from
Nokia's standard "symbols" in their virtual keyboard. (I've got all but
one, the "per mille" sign: ‰ ).
Include Italian accents (I'm studying Italian).
Organize bindings largely in the same way the Macintosh does it,
with a shift and an option key, and bindings in more or less the same
place. To some degree I'm restricted by Nokia's poor fonts and not able
to provide all the bindings I'd like.
Include page up, page down, home, and end, but not in the standard
Mac cursor location -- put them somewhere more useful (I use F10, F11,
F12, and Eject).
Include bullets and arrows.

Here's the file. Also, here is a highly useful PDF diagram of my
mappings (check it out!), and the OmniGraffle file in case you want to
modify it.

Some notes:

Left Alt/Option operates like a Mac Option key (that is, X11's "mode
switch").
Because so many Nokia applications have ctl-x for cut, etc., I've
mapped Left Command (the key right next to the space bar) to also be a
control key along with ctrl. This helps Mac people used to typing
Command-x etc.
Right Command has been mapped to the "Compose" key, which ordinarily
would allow you to create all sorts of characters (see here). Sadly,
Nokia appears to not support this, so it's presently a dead key until I
decide what to do with it.
Right Alt has been mapped to an actual "Alt" key in the traditional
sense.
Fn is, as discussed, dead.
Shift-Return is keypad-enter (just like on the Mac).
Shift-Delete is keypad-delete.
Shift-Tab is reverse-tab.
See above about page-up/page-down/home/end

Using Your .xmodmap File

Traditionally, your xmodmap commands are stored in a file called
.xmodmap in your home directory. On the maemo wiki there are
instructions to modify your real-af-startup file to call xmodmap. It
doesn't work, so don't bother. Instead, you can install the Osso
Statusbar CPU applet. This applet allows you to, among other things, set
up shell commands to issue from the applet's menu. I have one called
"Bluetooth Bindings" which issues the command xmodmap .xmodmap That does
the job nicely.
More Fun Stuff

The maemo wiki also describes how you can use the kbdconfig file to tell
the window server to fire up various applications etc., including
popping up the virtual keyboard when it's convenient. Though the
procedure works for other functions, it does not work for popping up the
virtual keyboard: OS2007 has broken that functionality.

The general idea is to create a file called
/home/user/.matchbox/kbdconfig which maps certain keystrokes to various
actions, one to a line. Mine simply says this:

Escape=close
Tab=next

This maps Control-Escape to closing windows, and Control-Tab to paging
through windows, similar to Command-Tab on the Mac.
GreyCloud
2016-11-01 02:25:59 UTC
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Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
Is it true that new mac book does not have ESC and function keys? No more vi
for mac users ;)
They make a 13" that has the normal function keys.
The 15" model has this glass strip, but didn't really notice any
function keys missing. The glass strip is supposed to replace the dock.
But unless one gets the i7 version, they are just too slow to use IMO.
Marek Novotny
2016-11-01 02:43:15 UTC
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Post by GreyCloud
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
Is it true that new mac book does not have ESC and function keys? No more vi
for mac users ;)
They make a 13" that has the normal function keys.
The 15" model has this glass strip, but didn't really notice any
function keys missing. The glass strip is supposed to replace the dock.
But unless one gets the i7 version, they are just too slow to use IMO.
It doesn't replace the dock. It acts like context-based functions. As
you might remember I was saying how I had decided to go back to the Mac
for Adobe apps rather than using the Windows based Dell XPS 15" I bought
for that purpose.

I watched the whole show Apple put on for this release. I'm not at all
surprised that I am the only one disappointed. I will not be buying one
of these. I don't like the new product at all.

Funny how Apple only compared the new MacBook to the older one. Fact is
that this machine's graphics is already well behind what the PC has to
offer. Likely around 4 times slower than the newest nVidia already
shipping. 16GBs of RAM as a max build out is also pretty lame. They got
rid of all the ports, meaning there are dongles in the future of anyone
who buys these.

As usual I'm far from impressed with anything Apple does.
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GreyCloud
2016-11-01 23:17:00 UTC
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Post by Marek Novotny
Post by GreyCloud
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
Is it true that new mac book does not have ESC and function keys? No more vi
for mac users ;)
They make a 13" that has the normal function keys.
The 15" model has this glass strip, but didn't really notice any
function keys missing. The glass strip is supposed to replace the dock.
But unless one gets the i7 version, they are just too slow to use IMO.
It doesn't replace the dock. It acts like context-based functions. As
you might remember I was saying how I had decided to go back to the Mac
for Adobe apps rather than using the Windows based Dell XPS 15" I bought
for that purpose.
I watched the whole show Apple put on for this release. I'm not at all
surprised that I am the only one disappointed. I will not be buying one
of these. I don't like the new product at all.
Funny how Apple only compared the new MacBook to the older one. Fact is
that this machine's graphics is already well behind what the PC has to
offer. Likely around 4 times slower than the newest nVidia already
shipping. 16GBs of RAM as a max build out is also pretty lame. They got
rid of all the ports, meaning there are dongles in the future of anyone
who buys these.
As usual I'm far from impressed with anything Apple does.
I had to download Sierra OS on my wifes iMac, and it helped a little,
but not much. It looks like Apple is slowly losing it in the os arena.
Now if Jobs were still around, things would possibly be better.
Silver Slimer
2016-11-01 23:21:16 UTC
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Post by GreyCloud
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by GreyCloud
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
Is it true that new mac book does not have ESC and function keys? No more vi
for mac users ;)
They make a 13" that has the normal function keys.
The 15" model has this glass strip, but didn't really notice any
function keys missing. The glass strip is supposed to replace the dock.
But unless one gets the i7 version, they are just too slow to use IMO.
It doesn't replace the dock. It acts like context-based functions. As
you might remember I was saying how I had decided to go back to the Mac
for Adobe apps rather than using the Windows based Dell XPS 15" I bought
for that purpose.
I watched the whole show Apple put on for this release. I'm not at all
surprised that I am the only one disappointed. I will not be buying one
of these. I don't like the new product at all.
Funny how Apple only compared the new MacBook to the older one. Fact is
that this machine's graphics is already well behind what the PC has to
offer. Likely around 4 times slower than the newest nVidia already
shipping. 16GBs of RAM as a max build out is also pretty lame. They got
rid of all the ports, meaning there are dongles in the future of anyone
who buys these.
As usual I'm far from impressed with anything Apple does.
I had to download Sierra OS on my wifes iMac, and it helped a little,
but not much. It looks like Apple is slowly losing it in the os arena.
Now if Jobs were still around, things would possibly be better.
Apparently, the new MacBooks are so unimpressive to people that
System76's sales went up; people would rather pay less for excellent
hardware and a shoddy operating system than more for outdated hardware
and a consistent but slow operating system.
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Snit
2016-11-01 23:46:31 UTC
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Post by Silver Slimer
Post by GreyCloud
Post by Marek Novotny
Funny how Apple only compared the new MacBook to the older one. Fact is
that this machine's graphics is already well behind what the PC has to
offer. Likely around 4 times slower than the newest nVidia already
shipping. 16GBs of RAM as a max build out is also pretty lame. They got
rid of all the ports, meaning there are dongles in the future of anyone
who buys these.
As usual I'm far from impressed with anything Apple does.
I had to download Sierra OS on my wifes iMac, and it helped a little,
but not much. It looks like Apple is slowly losing it in the os arena.
Now if Jobs were still around, things would possibly be better.
Apparently, the new MacBooks are so unimpressive to people that
System76's sales went up; people would rather pay less for excellent
hardware and a shoddy operating system than more for outdated hardware
and a consistent but slow operating system.
People were waiting around to either get a Mac OR go to System76?

Somehow I doubt it.

With that said I have no real opinion on the new Macs... disappointed they
STILL have not updated the iMacs or minis... and the new touch bar seems OK
but nothing amazing. Maybe once I get a chance to use it or read about it
more I will be more impressed... and there are times I think it would be
good to have, esp. with full screen programs where the toolbar is hidden.
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Steve Carroll
2016-11-02 00:33:28 UTC
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Post by Silver Slimer
Post by GreyCloud
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by GreyCloud
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
Is it true that new mac book does not have ESC and function keys? No more vi
for mac users ;)
They make a 13" that has the normal function keys.
The 15" model has this glass strip, but didn't really notice any
function keys missing. The glass strip is supposed to replace the dock.
But unless one gets the i7 version, they are just too slow to use IMO.
It doesn't replace the dock. It acts like context-based functions. As
you might remember I was saying how I had decided to go back to the Mac
for Adobe apps rather than using the Windows based Dell XPS 15" I bought
for that purpose.
I watched the whole show Apple put on for this release. I'm not at all
surprised that I am the only one disappointed. I will not be buying one
of these. I don't like the new product at all.
Funny how Apple only compared the new MacBook to the older one. Fact is
that this machine's graphics is already well behind what the PC has to
offer. Likely around 4 times slower than the newest nVidia already
shipping. 16GBs of RAM as a max build out is also pretty lame. They got
rid of all the ports, meaning there are dongles in the future of anyone
who buys these.
As usual I'm far from impressed with anything Apple does.
I had to download Sierra OS on my wifes iMac, and it helped a little,
but not much. It looks like Apple is slowly losing it in the os arena.
Now if Jobs were still around, things would possibly be better.
Apparently, the new MacBooks are so unimpressive to people that
System76's sales went up; people would rather pay less for excellent
hardware and a shoddy operating system than more for outdated hardware
and a consistent but slow operating system.
I saw this after I did the very thing the article mentioned. For the first time I've been looking at something other than an Apple. My youngest just bought an inexpensive laptop for web development and it is now dual booting Ubuntu. I think this is the model he bought:

<https://www.amazon.com/K501UX-15-6-inch-Gaming-Processor-Windows/dp/B0146DD02G>

He paid $650 for it, I believe it was open box or some such, but it looks like it was never touched.
Silver Slimer
2016-11-02 12:05:14 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by GreyCloud
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by GreyCloud
Post by Marek Novotny
Post by Melzzzzz
Is it true that new mac book does not have ESC and function keys? No more vi
for mac users ;)
They make a 13" that has the normal function keys.
The 15" model has this glass strip, but didn't really notice any
function keys missing. The glass strip is supposed to replace the dock.
But unless one gets the i7 version, they are just too slow to use IMO.
It doesn't replace the dock. It acts like context-based functions. As
you might remember I was saying how I had decided to go back to the Mac
for Adobe apps rather than using the Windows based Dell XPS 15" I bought
for that purpose.
I watched the whole show Apple put on for this release. I'm not at all
surprised that I am the only one disappointed. I will not be buying one
of these. I don't like the new product at all.
Funny how Apple only compared the new MacBook to the older one. Fact is
that this machine's graphics is already well behind what the PC has to
offer. Likely around 4 times slower than the newest nVidia already
shipping. 16GBs of RAM as a max build out is also pretty lame. They got
rid of all the ports, meaning there are dongles in the future of anyone
who buys these.
As usual I'm far from impressed with anything Apple does.
I had to download Sierra OS on my wifes iMac, and it helped a little,
but not much. It looks like Apple is slowly losing it in the os arena.
Now if Jobs were still around, things would possibly be better.
Apparently, the new MacBooks are so unimpressive to people that
System76's sales went up; people would rather pay less for excellent
hardware and a shoddy operating system than more for outdated hardware
and a consistent but slow operating system.
<https://www.amazon.com/K501UX-15-6-inch-Gaming-Processor-Windows/dp/B0146DD02G>
He paid $650 for it, I believe it was open box or some such, but it looks like it was never touched.
So for less than $800, he gets a laptop which can play games (the 950m
is a decent chip) whereas for double the price, he can get a MacBook
with a bare-bones GPU which can't play anything but the simplest games.
Gee, I wonder why he'd pick the PC!
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GreyCloud
2016-11-01 02:24:25 UTC
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Post by Jim Polaski
Post by GreyCloud
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 18:58:34 -0400
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
On 30 Oct 2016 20:50:12 GMT
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7,
but alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to
hard reset, switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages
regarding zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I
had problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
Sometimes I think you Linux dweebs would be bored if Linux
actually worked.
It does work. I use it for about 90% of my computing.
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems are
expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two instances
of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
So then you can't be using Linux for anything important.
Unless tinkering with Linux is important to you.
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
Constant fun flatfish! ;)
He should go somewhere else and promote Windows. Or maybe help
out the Gates Foundation.
He promotes Window alright ;)
People can choose to use Linux if they desire to.
They don't.
The reason is Linux sucks as a desktop system and all the lying and half
truths told by the Linux herd can't change that.
When something given away for free is shunned by some 99 percent of
computer users it's time to reevaluate that product and make changes in
order to make the product more appealing to the market.
It will never happen though. Linux will continue to fragment, cause
division of the users (can you say systemd?) and so forth.
Use GTK or use QT? Use Mir or use Wayland? It never ends with the
controversies in the Linux camp.
Th infighting is harming Linux as a whole. If anything it makes the
Linux users and developers look like spoiled babies.
And they are.
The "advocates" will tell you that it doesn't matter whether you prefer
QT or GTK as the programs of one will work in the environment of the
other as long as the dependencies are installed. Those dependencies,
however, don't prevent programs from one library from looking completely
off in the environment of the other. These programs usually ignore
personalization choices and any other settings your system might have.
As or Wayland vs. Mir, this is a situation where both camps would
clearly have benefited from working together rather than competing for
what is essentially the same thing. If they had, we'd have a finished
product instead of two shoddy, unstable and unfinished ones.
Exactly.
Linux does a lot of different things.
The problem is it doesn't do them well.
Linux has 15 crappy, inconsistent DE vs one quality, consistent DE like
OSX or Windows.
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
And with complete idiots like Chris Ahlstrom, William Poaster, 7, chrisv
and many others like them "advocating" Linux, Microsoft has nothing to
worry about.
At the very least, Linux will appear to be the choice of closet
homosexuals, transsexuals and idiots.
Someone should create a Linux distribution for sexually confused Linux
"TrannyLinux"
Or "TransLix".
You seem to be suggesting that there is such a thing as a Linux user who
_isn't_ sexually confused.
Better yet!
The distribution will be at the top of Distrowatch in no time!
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
For Microsoft it's like a war against 5 different armys where one has
the guns, another has the bullets, another has the maps, another the
petrol and the last has the trucks to transport the troops. The problem
is none of the armys talk to each other.
That's Linux.
Like the Soviet army during the Second World War.
Yes.
Post by Silver Slimer
Post by Jim Polaski
And that's why Linux has been stagnating as a desktop system since the
day it was born.
To be fair, it's improved but it's still a gigantic distance from where
it should be.
Sure Linux has improved. It's where Windows XP's last version was about
10 years ago.
And that's a maybe.
Mind you, XP was ridiculously stable AND fast which is one of the many
reasons people still hold onto it to this day. Linux is not stable
though it is very fast if you choose the right desktop environment. So
it still doesn't compare too well to Windows XP.
And then there is that pesky topic of applications.
There is one thing I noticed about OS X... they have violated their own
GUI guidlines. In TextEdit, there used to be "Save As...", but it is
now gone in El Capitan. Now there is just "Save". So how does one save
an Untitled file with a new name? You have to use the menu item Move.
Really dumb one.
Apple is realling going down the drain these days.
Look at the prices on their recent MBP models.
Way overpriced for the power you are getting.
Is it true that new mac book does not have ESC and function keys? No more vi
for mac users ;)
Last I looked the ESC key is still there. vi is still there.
The whole system is still slow tho.
f***@gmail.com
2016-10-31 13:22:11 UTC
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Post by Melzzzzz
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems are
expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two instances
of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
I told you to adjust the watchdog_threshhold, didn't I?

So why didn't you do it? Why don't you listen to me?

Instead you just run around screaming that 4.8 has a bug.
But it's not a bug. Your stupid system just needs a bit of
adjustment, that's all.
Melzzzzz
2016-10-31 13:29:39 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Melzzzzz
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems are
expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two instances
of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
I told you to adjust the watchdog_threshhold, didn't I?
So why didn't you do it? Why don't you listen to me?
Instead you just run around screaming that 4.8 has a bug.
But it's not a bug. Your stupid system just needs a bit of
adjustment, that's all.
I reproduced same thing on 4.7 and this time dmesg showed problem in zfs
module... I can't see how your suggestion could improve situation...
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GreyCloud
2016-10-31 18:02:22 UTC
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Post by Melzzzzz
Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Melzzzzz
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems are
expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two instances
of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
I told you to adjust the watchdog_threshhold, didn't I?
So why didn't you do it? Why don't you listen to me?
Instead you just run around screaming that 4.8 has a bug.
But it's not a bug. Your stupid system just needs a bit of
adjustment, that's all.
I reproduced same thing on 4.7 and this time dmesg showed problem in zfs
module... I can't see how your suggestion could improve situation...
Do you have EEC memory in your PC?
If you don't, as Peter noted, zfs can really screw things up.
Melzzzzz
2016-10-31 18:10:20 UTC
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Post by GreyCloud
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Melzzzzz
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems are
expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two instances
of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
I told you to adjust the watchdog_threshhold, didn't I?
So why didn't you do it? Why don't you listen to me?
Instead you just run around screaming that 4.8 has a bug.
But it's not a bug. Your stupid system just needs a bit of
adjustment, that's all.
I reproduced same thing on 4.7 and this time dmesg showed problem in zfs
module... I can't see how your suggestion could improve situation...
Do you have EEC memory in your PC?
If you don't, as Peter noted, zfs can really screw things up.
That's bullshit. Why zfs, why not ext4? Faulty memory can cause problems in
any file system..
Besides, this is bug in zfs module, clearly some race condition surfaces as
rsync processes got stuck in kernel, when executing more then one in
parallel..
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Peter Köhlmann
2016-10-31 18:46:50 UTC
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Post by GreyCloud
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Melzzzzz
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems
are expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two
instances of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
I told you to adjust the watchdog_threshhold, didn't I?
So why didn't you do it? Why don't you listen to me?
Instead you just run around screaming that 4.8 has a bug.
But it's not a bug. Your stupid system just needs a bit of
adjustment, that's all.
I reproduced same thing on 4.7 and this time dmesg showed problem in zfs
module... I can't see how your suggestion could improve situation...
Do you have EEC memory in your PC?
If you don't, as Peter noted, zfs can really screw things up.
That's bullshit.
No, it is not. With ZFS, a mem error can make you lose the *entire* disk
contents with a little bad luck
Post by GreyCloud
Why zfs, why not ext4? Faulty memory can cause problems
in any file system..
Yes: But a faulty memory with EXT4 can cause you (at worst) to lose a
directory. Normally just a file might be faulty. And since EXT4 is a
journaling FS (it is standard ON), you will very rarely lose something
Besides, this is bug in zfs module, clearly some race condition surfaces
as rsync processes got stuck in kernel, when executing more then one in
parallel..
ZFS is not yet ready for all situations. BTRFS is better, and has several
options which are quite advanced. Even so, I use EXT4 normally. It is also
the fastest FS of all out there
Melzzzzz
2016-10-31 18:58:12 UTC
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Post by GreyCloud
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Melzzzzz
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems
are expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two
instances of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
I told you to adjust the watchdog_threshhold, didn't I?
So why didn't you do it? Why don't you listen to me?
Instead you just run around screaming that 4.8 has a bug.
But it's not a bug. Your stupid system just needs a bit of
adjustment, that's all.
I reproduced same thing on 4.7 and this time dmesg showed problem in zfs
module... I can't see how your suggestion could improve situation...
Do you have EEC memory in your PC?
If you don't, as Peter noted, zfs can really screw things up.
That's bullshit.
No, it is not. With ZFS, a mem error can make you lose the *entire* disk
contents with a little bad luck
Care to explain how? ZFS checksums everything what it writes so I guess
checksum can get bad data. In my experience memory fault caused bad files
which were detected. This is because I had overclocked memory too far
without testing. I had to clear zpool and restore faulty files.
Post by Peter Köhlmann
Post by GreyCloud
Why zfs, why not ext4? Faulty memory can cause problems
in any file system..
Yes: But a faulty memory with EXT4 can cause you (at worst) to lose a
directory. Normally just a file might be faulty. And since EXT4 is a
journaling FS (it is standard ON), you will very rarely lose something
I had memory corruption due suspend/resume which produced corrupted ext4
which had to be repaired with fsck , journaling didn't help.
Post by Peter Köhlmann
Besides, this is bug in zfs module, clearly some race condition surfaces
as rsync processes got stuck in kernel, when executing more then one in
parallel..
ZFS is not yet ready for all situations. BTRFS is better, and has several
options which are quite advanced. Even so, I use EXT4 normally. It is also
the fastest FS of all out there
BTRFS and ZFS are not fast, simply because they don't have destructive
update... but they are good for keeping snapshots and doing backups.
For databases? forget them...
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Peter Köhlmann
2016-10-31 20:25:22 UTC
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Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Peter Köhlmann
Post by GreyCloud
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Melzzzzz
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems
are expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two
instances of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
I told you to adjust the watchdog_threshhold, didn't I?
So why didn't you do it? Why don't you listen to me?
Instead you just run around screaming that 4.8 has a bug.
But it's not a bug. Your stupid system just needs a bit of
adjustment, that's all.
I reproduced same thing on 4.7 and this time dmesg showed problem in
zfs module... I can't see how your suggestion could improve
situation...
Do you have EEC memory in your PC?
If you don't, as Peter noted, zfs can really screw things up.
That's bullshit.
No, it is not. With ZFS, a mem error can make you lose the *entire* disk
contents with a little bad luck
Care to explain how? ZFS checksums everything what it writes so I guess
checksum can get bad data. In my experience memory fault caused bad files
which were detected. This is because I had overclocked memory too far
without testing. I had to clear zpool and restore faulty files.
Just getting a faulty file with ZFS is being lucky
Due to the internal structure of ZFS a memory error can lead to a broken
link, losing everything behind
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Peter Köhlmann
Post by GreyCloud
Why zfs, why not ext4? Faulty memory can cause problems
in any file system..
Yes: But a faulty memory with EXT4 can cause you (at worst) to lose a
directory. Normally just a file might be faulty. And since EXT4 is a
journaling FS (it is standard ON), you will very rarely lose something
I had memory corruption due suspend/resume which produced corrupted ext4
which had to be repaired with fsck , journaling didn't help.
Point being that you can do fsck on EXT4.
A corrupted ZFS can be beyond any repair
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Peter Köhlmann
Besides, this is bug in zfs module, clearly some race condition surfaces
as rsync processes got stuck in kernel, when executing more then one in
parallel..
ZFS is not yet ready for all situations. BTRFS is better, and has several
options which are quite advanced. Even so, I use EXT4 normally. It is
also the fastest FS of all out there
BTRFS and ZFS are not fast, simply because they don't have destructive
update... but they are good for keeping snapshots and doing backups.
For databases? forget them...
So take BTRFS and forget about ZFS unless you have ECC mem
Melzzzzz
2016-11-01 03:49:22 UTC
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Post by Peter Köhlmann
So take BTRFS and forget about ZFS unless you have ECC mem
I can't. I like ZFS more for doing parallel compilation of huge projects
(btrfs hangs my system during huge writes) and mysql on ZFS is much faster then
on BTRFS.
What I use BTRFS for is on external HDD keeping backups, as using ZFS for
that is pointless, as there is no guarantee (if I have to restore) that I will
have ZFS module ready.
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Jim Polaski
2016-10-31 13:54:58 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Melzzzzz
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems are
expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two instances
of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
I told you to adjust the watchdog_threshhold, didn't I?
So why didn't you do it? Why don't you listen to me?
Instead you just run around screaming that 4.8 has a bug.
But it's not a bug. Your stupid system just needs a bit of
adjustment, that's all.
Rationalization at it's best.
GreyCloud
2016-10-31 18:02:55 UTC
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Post by Jim Polaski
Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Melzzzzz
He simply neglects that I run bleeding edge everything, so problems are
expected ... I think I have found culprit. It's if i ran two instances
of rsync bug happens. And it is zfs related...
I told you to adjust the watchdog_threshhold, didn't I?
So why didn't you do it? Why don't you listen to me?
Instead you just run around screaming that 4.8 has a bug.
But it's not a bug. Your stupid system just needs a bit of
adjustment, that's all.
Rationalization at it's best.
Ask him what adjustments does he recommend?
Peter Köhlmann
2016-10-31 00:10:19 UTC
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Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
On 30 Oct 2016 20:50:12 GMT
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but
alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset,
switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages
regarding zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I had
problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
Sometimes I think you Linux dweebs would be bored if Linux actually
worked.
It does work. I use it for about 90% of my computing.
Make that 99.9% in my case

I run *everything* under linux. Except compiling programs for windows/OSX

Even though compiling them for windows works just fine under Wine
William Poaster
2016-10-31 10:50:01 UTC
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Post by Peter Köhlmann
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Melzzzzz
On 30 Oct 2016 20:50:12 GMT
Post by Jim Polaski
Post by Melzzzzz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:24:32 +0000 (UTC)
Post by Melzzzzz
I have tried kernel 4.8.5 in orther to switch from trusty 4.7, but
alas got BUG softlockup on CPU(s) during rsync. Have to hard reset,
switched back to 4.7...
Hm, it seems that it is zfs bug after all. Just had messages
regarding zfs on 4.7 ;(
Returned to 4.8 to test further, but it seems kernel is ok as I had
problems with rsync from zfs on 4.7 either....
Sometimes I think you Linux dweebs would be bored if Linux actually
worked.
It does work. I use it for about 90% of my computing.
Make that 99.9% in my case
100% in my case.
Post by Peter Köhlmann
I run *everything* under linux. Except compiling programs for windows/OSX
Even though compiling them for windows works just fine under Wine
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to realise that he lives on a planet, circling a sun, in a
planetary system, within a galaxy, within a universe.
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DFS
2016-11-01 16:56:01 UTC
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Post by William Poaster
100% in my case.
Did you hear 100% of +1 = +1 ?

That's some powerful computing you're doing with Linux.
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