Discussion:
ALSA Woes
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John Bailo
2005-05-10 02:56:50 UTC
Permalink
This is yet another thread in my continuing effort to get a fully
functional sound card under Suse 9.2

The story so far:

After struggling with my Via chipset, which through web search and
Advocate recommendation, I have come to the conclusion is unworkable and
not worth using, I disabled it in my BIOS and purchased a Sound Blaster
24-bit Live! I did not go out of my way to find this card, I just went
around the street and bought the only card they carried, at Staples.

Big mistake. This card looks like an Audigy, but has the ca0106 chip
and Creative has refused to release the driver.

Months go by...I try OSS...it eventually stops working...I get the
cvsbuild of ALSA....compile and install my drivers...it works, but
poorly...I long for the day of a driver that doesn't require special
handling...but that day never comes!

So, I go to the hardware list...I try to order a Terratec Fun from one
of the very few vendors in the US. I even order 2day air. I check
back and find they ( Terratec USA ) no longer carry the product...sigh.

Then, I decide to eschew all big computing stores and web vendors and
call the nearest local parts store...hoping they will have alternative
manufacturers to Creative.

Eureka, I find one in Auburn, WA. He carries a clone card with the
CMI8738 chip. Yes! It's on the list!

I rush after work to buy one, and great...it's only $12.

I race home and install it. Boot into Suse...and---mmm...not detected!
Ok, I boot into Windows, run the driver disk...not detected! Oh, ok,
I didn't push it all the way into the slot. (No comments.)

I boot into Suse, and WOW! it's detected -- right manufacturer chip and
everything...my mouth starts to water...but then...NOOO...after taking
me to the Suse control panel, and letting me select Quick Install -- it
fails...and tells me to go run Yast on the command line...they threw
salt on my tongue!

Ok, I try. Yast doesn't or won't find the card...but I
remember...gee...all that ALSA dev crap...so, I go through the build and
do a bunch of "make uninstalls" and then delete all the snd references
from /etc/modprobe.conf.local

I boot up...get to the login...and now...ouch..GNOME won't load! It
just comes back to the login screen...ok, I guess I liked KDE better
anyway...mmmm...doesn't seem to detect the card...so I go to Control
Center/Hardware. I let it search and it does find the card, but when I
get to starting the sound system it fails again and tells me to run the
Yast at the command line!

Well, I take a break and boot into XP just to confirm the card is alive,
the XP detects the new hardware but then it takes me into one of the
circular reasoning "wizards". It offers me advice about an Express
"recommended" get the driver from the Internet choice, but then after
two screens says I should go back if I have a CD and use that...mmm...I
cancel and go direct to the CD. I install it and it wants me to reboot
-- I do. When it boots it plays some crazy electronic music, that
sounds very new and foreign and I like. I want to test it, so I load
up Rhapsody's Classic Vault. After first, I am not impressed -- but
then I play with the settings and find that this $12 card is actually
producing much cleaner, distinct sounds than the Sound Blaster 24-bit!
( Is 24-bit all marketing ?! ).

Anyway, I boot back into Suse, and drop to the line command and do the
Yast install. It autodetects the card! Then I boot into KDE, and try
the mixer -- doesn't work...says I need some libsound module. I'm not
complaining since I probably wrenched the whole OS with all my doo-dads
and OSS and ALSA add ons.

I fear that I may need to do a complete reinstall, which would be great,
because I feel confident now that this sound card will work in Suse for me.

At the same time I dread having to load all the stuff I've layered into
my machine ( dvd decoder, bitstream stuff, ATI accelerated drivers ).

Hey, but SuSE is for the /experts/ right!

Give me a day or two and I'll get to a complete rebuild -- right now I'm
listening to Pink Floyd on Rhapsody.

"Home Home Again,
I like to be here when I can."
--
Texeme Construct
http://texeme.com
John Bailo
2005-05-10 05:48:56 UTC
Permalink
Ok.

The story so far.

I went and completely reinstalled my Suse 9.2 from the ftp iso.

I think I'm a step ahead.

The sound card (CMI8738) was detected. After the install, I was able to
log right into Suse. I saw the card listed. This time, when running
through the configuration, instead of throwing an error and saying to use
command line YaST, it went to the Finish button; however, it did not
actually start, it just reported itself as Stopped. I think I fixed it
though.

Then, as long as I am being canonical here ( in the sense of doing
everything the SuSE/Novell way, and trying not to use any 'add-ons' other
than what's in the distro. I went and set up my monitor, which is a
behemoth 21" CRT. It's a ViewSonic 21 but I didn't see it listed. I
bought it refurb so luckily I found the specs on a web site and entered in
the refresh rate, vsync and hsync and screen dimensions ( 18.8" x 19.8" --
luckily I had pen and paper and remembered that 1 inch = 2.54 mm ! ). I
tried going for the top specs, 1600x1200, and 4million colors. The SaX2
test came out funny, so I went with the basics: 1024x860 but kept the 4
million colors. I decided to check 3-D acceleration which has /never/
worked with my ATI 9200 card ( it just unchecks itself ).

Ok, reboot.

Well, there was no start up sound ( but I hadn't heard that since Suse 9.0 )
so I wasn't too hopeful. Then I was mucking around and shut down the
KInternet dialer ( I don't need it because I have always on DSL ) and must
have hit an error because I heard a little broken glass sound. Cool, I
have sound...even if its only wave files.

Then I try to play an mp3 stream. I go to http://somafm.com and click on a
stream. Amorok launches...but instead of /playing/ the stream, it seems
to just continually *download* it like a file! Any help here would be
appreciated.

Then, I test the ATI card with glxgears...WOW, 1200 fps. Nowhere near the
special driver that can go up to 2300, but that might be good enough ...
and the point of this distro is for me not to be making kernel mods, just
going with the standards.

So, I think I have sound, but have no way to really test it (!).

I think I have acceleration as well, but I have to install UT2004 to see if
its any good.
Post by John Bailo
This is yet another thread in my continuing effort to get a fully
functional sound card under Suse 9.2
After struggling with my Via chipset, which through web search and
Advocate recommendation, I have come to the conclusion is unworkable and
not worth using, I disabled it in my BIOS and purchased a Sound Blaster
24-bit Live! I did not go out of my way to find this card, I just went
around the street and bought the only card they carried, at Staples.
Big mistake. This card looks like an Audigy, but has the ca0106 chip
and Creative has refused to release the driver.
Months go by...I try OSS...it eventually stops working...I get the
cvsbuild of ALSA....compile and install my drivers...it works, but
poorly...I long for the day of a driver that doesn't require special
handling...but that day never comes!
So, I go to the hardware list...I try to order a Terratec Fun from one
of the very few vendors in the US. I even order 2day air. I check
back and find they ( Terratec USA ) no longer carry the product...sigh.
Then, I decide to eschew all big computing stores and web vendors and
call the nearest local parts store...hoping they will have alternative
manufacturers to Creative.
Eureka, I find one in Auburn, WA. He carries a clone card with the
CMI8738 chip. Yes! It's on the list!
I rush after work to buy one, and great...it's only $12.
I race home and install it. Boot into Suse...and---mmm...not detected!
Ok, I boot into Windows, run the driver disk...not detected! Oh, ok,
I didn't push it all the way into the slot. (No comments.)
I boot into Suse, and WOW! it's detected -- right manufacturer chip and
everything...my mouth starts to water...but then...NOOO...after taking
me to the Suse control panel, and letting me select Quick Install -- it
fails...and tells me to go run Yast on the command line...they threw
salt on my tongue!
Ok, I try. Yast doesn't or won't find the card...but I
remember...gee...all that ALSA dev crap...so, I go through the build and
do a bunch of "make uninstalls" and then delete all the snd references
from /etc/modprobe.conf.local
I boot up...get to the login...and now...ouch..GNOME won't load! It
just comes back to the login screen...ok, I guess I liked KDE better
anyway...mmmm...doesn't seem to detect the card...so I go to Control
Center/Hardware. I let it search and it does find the card, but when I
get to starting the sound system it fails again and tells me to run the
Yast at the command line!
Well, I take a break and boot into XP just to confirm the card is alive,
the XP detects the new hardware but then it takes me into one of the
circular reasoning "wizards". It offers me advice about an Express
"recommended" get the driver from the Internet choice, but then after
two screens says I should go back if I have a CD and use that...mmm...I
cancel and go direct to the CD. I install it and it wants me to reboot
-- I do. When it boots it plays some crazy electronic music, that
sounds very new and foreign and I like. I want to test it, so I load
up Rhapsody's Classic Vault. After first, I am not impressed -- but
then I play with the settings and find that this $12 card is actually
producing much cleaner, distinct sounds than the Sound Blaster 24-bit!
( Is 24-bit all marketing ?! ).
Anyway, I boot back into Suse, and drop to the line command and do the
Yast install. It autodetects the card! Then I boot into KDE, and try
the mixer -- doesn't work...says I need some libsound module. I'm not
complaining since I probably wrenched the whole OS with all my doo-dads
and OSS and ALSA add ons.
I fear that I may need to do a complete reinstall, which would be great,
because I feel confident now that this sound card will work in Suse for me.
At the same time I dread having to load all the stuff I've layered into
my machine ( dvd decoder, bitstream stuff, ATI accelerated drivers ).
Hey, but SuSE is for the /experts/ right!
Give me a day or two and I'll get to a complete rebuild -- right now I'm
listening to Pink Floyd on Rhapsody.
"Home Home Again,
I like to be here when I can."
John Bailo
2005-05-10 06:01:16 UTC
Permalink
News: I got the CD to work ( I had it pluged into the wrong set of prongs on
the card -- there's 3 of them ).

Ok, now I'm listening to e-Pro.

But I still can't play a stream ( see my request for an Amorok tutor in
aols).
Post by John Bailo
Ok.
The story so far.
I went and completely reinstalled my Suse 9.2 from the ftp iso.
I think I'm a step ahead.
The sound card (CMI8738) was detected. After the install, I was able to
log right into Suse. I saw the card listed. This time, when running
through the configuration, instead of throwing an error and saying to use
command line YaST, it went to the Finish button; however, it did not
actually start, it just reported itself as Stopped. I think I fixed it
though.
Then, as long as I am being canonical here ( in the sense of doing
everything the SuSE/Novell way, and trying not to use any 'add-ons' other
than what's in the distro. I went and set up my monitor, which is a
behemoth 21" CRT. It's a ViewSonic 21 but I didn't see it listed. I
bought it refurb so luckily I found the specs on a web site and entered in
the refresh rate, vsync and hsync and screen dimensions ( 18.8" x 19.8" --
luckily I had pen and paper and remembered that 1 inch = 2.54 mm ! ). I
tried going for the top specs, 1600x1200, and 4million colors. The SaX2
test came out funny, so I went with the basics: 1024x860 but kept the 4
million colors. I decided to check 3-D acceleration which has /never/
worked with my ATI 9200 card ( it just unchecks itself ).
Ok, reboot.
Well, there was no start up sound ( but I hadn't heard that since Suse 9.0 )
so I wasn't too hopeful. Then I was mucking around and shut down the
KInternet dialer ( I don't need it because I have always on DSL ) and must
have hit an error because I heard a little broken glass sound. Cool, I
have sound...even if its only wave files.
Then I try to play an mp3 stream. I go to http://somafm.com and click on a
stream. Amorok launches...but instead of /playing/ the stream, it seems
to just continually *download* it like a file! Any help here would be
appreciated.
Then, I test the ATI card with glxgears...WOW, 1200 fps. Nowhere near
the special driver that can go up to 2300, but that might be good enough
... and the point of this distro is for me not to be making kernel mods,
just going with the standards.
So, I think I have sound, but have no way to really test it (!).
I think I have acceleration as well, but I have to install UT2004 to see
if its any good.
Post by John Bailo
This is yet another thread in my continuing effort to get a fully
functional sound card under Suse 9.2
After struggling with my Via chipset, which through web search and
Advocate recommendation, I have come to the conclusion is unworkable and
not worth using, I disabled it in my BIOS and purchased a Sound Blaster
24-bit Live! I did not go out of my way to find this card, I just went
around the street and bought the only card they carried, at Staples.
Big mistake. This card looks like an Audigy, but has the ca0106 chip
and Creative has refused to release the driver.
Months go by...I try OSS...it eventually stops working...I get the
cvsbuild of ALSA....compile and install my drivers...it works, but
poorly...I long for the day of a driver that doesn't require special
handling...but that day never comes!
So, I go to the hardware list...I try to order a Terratec Fun from one
of the very few vendors in the US. I even order 2day air. I check
back and find they ( Terratec USA ) no longer carry the product...sigh.
Then, I decide to eschew all big computing stores and web vendors and
call the nearest local parts store...hoping they will have alternative
manufacturers to Creative.
Eureka, I find one in Auburn, WA. He carries a clone card with the
CMI8738 chip. Yes! It's on the list!
I rush after work to buy one, and great...it's only $12.
I race home and install it. Boot into Suse...and---mmm...not detected!
Ok, I boot into Windows, run the driver disk...not detected! Oh, ok,
I didn't push it all the way into the slot. (No comments.)
I boot into Suse, and WOW! it's detected -- right manufacturer chip and
everything...my mouth starts to water...but then...NOOO...after taking
me to the Suse control panel, and letting me select Quick Install -- it
fails...and tells me to go run Yast on the command line...they threw
salt on my tongue!
Ok, I try. Yast doesn't or won't find the card...but I
remember...gee...all that ALSA dev crap...so, I go through the build and
do a bunch of "make uninstalls" and then delete all the snd references
from /etc/modprobe.conf.local
I boot up...get to the login...and now...ouch..GNOME won't load! It
just comes back to the login screen...ok, I guess I liked KDE better
anyway...mmmm...doesn't seem to detect the card...so I go to Control
Center/Hardware. I let it search and it does find the card, but when I
get to starting the sound system it fails again and tells me to run the
Yast at the command line!
Well, I take a break and boot into XP just to confirm the card is alive,
the XP detects the new hardware but then it takes me into one of the
circular reasoning "wizards". It offers me advice about an Express
"recommended" get the driver from the Internet choice, but then after
two screens says I should go back if I have a CD and use that...mmm...I
cancel and go direct to the CD. I install it and it wants me to reboot
-- I do. When it boots it plays some crazy electronic music, that
sounds very new and foreign and I like. I want to test it, so I load
up Rhapsody's Classic Vault. After first, I am not impressed -- but
then I play with the settings and find that this $12 card is actually
producing much cleaner, distinct sounds than the Sound Blaster 24-bit!
( Is 24-bit all marketing ?! ).
Anyway, I boot back into Suse, and drop to the line command and do the
Yast install. It autodetects the card! Then I boot into KDE, and try
the mixer -- doesn't work...says I need some libsound module. I'm not
complaining since I probably wrenched the whole OS with all my doo-dads
and OSS and ALSA add ons.
I fear that I may need to do a complete reinstall, which would be great,
because I feel confident now that this sound card will work in Suse for me.
At the same time I dread having to load all the stuff I've layered into
my machine ( dvd decoder, bitstream stuff, ATI accelerated drivers ).
Hey, but SuSE is for the /experts/ right!
Give me a day or two and I'll get to a complete rebuild -- right now I'm
listening to Pink Floyd on Rhapsody.
"Home Home Again,
I like to be here when I can."
Rick
2005-05-10 10:14:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
News: I got the CD to work ( I had it pluged into the wrong set of prongs
on the card -- there's 3 of them ).
Ok, now I'm listening to e-Pro.
But I still can't play a stream ( see my request for an Amorok tutor in
aols).
Use a different app, like xmms, to see if you can actually play streams,
or if you've borked your system... again.
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
John Bailo
2005-05-10 16:43:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rick
Post by John Bailo
News: I got the CD to work ( I had it pluged into the wrong set of prongs
on the card -- there's 3 of them ).
Ok, now I'm listening to e-Pro.
But I still can't play a stream ( see my request for an Amorok tutor in
aols).
Use a different app, like xmms, to see if you can actually play streams,
or if you've borked your system... again.
I can run Real w/o problem.

But again, I am curious about how to get Amarok to run since it looks
like a good application.

So far the "Advocacy" has consisted of:

1) Calling me names.
2) Flooding me with responses by nymshifters
3) Telling me to use "another" app ( sort of like telling me to use
different fingers for my mouse because the driver for the Logitech
Intellisys Wheel Mouse doesn't work right in KDE).
--
Texeme
http://texeme.com
Rick
2005-05-10 18:32:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
Post by John Bailo
News: I got the CD to work ( I had it pluged into the wrong set of prongs
on the card -- there's 3 of them ).
Ok, now I'm listening to e-Pro.
But I still can't play a stream ( see my request for an Amorok tutor in
aols).
Use a different app, like xmms, to see if you can actually play streams,
or if you've borked your system... again.
I can run Real w/o problem.
But again, I am curious about how to get Amarok to run since it looks
like a good application.
There has been NO Advocacy. There has only been responses to an idiot...
you...
Post by John Bailo
1) Calling me names.
See...?
Post by John Bailo
2) Flooding me with responses by nymshifters
3) Telling me to use "another" app ( sort of like telling me to use
different fingers for my mouse because the driver for the Logitech
Intellisys Wheel Mouse doesn't work right in KDE).
Uh... no.
I told you to use another app to check to see that you could receive
streams, as opposed ot there being a problem with Amarok.

AND, when you asked for a screenshot showing Amarok streaming, I
provided one.
--
Rick
John Bailo
2005-05-10 18:55:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rick
Uh... no.
I told you to use another app to check to see that you could receive
streams, as opposed ot there being a problem with Amarok.
And I installed Real and reported I could hear streams.
Post by Rick
AND, when you asked for a screenshot showing Amarok streaming, I
provided one.
AND, I asked:

What distro?

What version?

Did you use the ftp dvd iso ( which says that it does not install all
the packages)?
Rick
2005-05-10 22:27:56 UTC
Permalink
You did a lot of sniping there.
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
Uh... no.
I told you to use another app to check to see that you could receive
streams, as opposed ot there being a problem with Amarok.
And I installed Real and reported I could hear streams.
Post by Rick
AND, when you asked for a screenshot showing Amarok streaming, I
provided one.
What distro?
No, you asked if it was 9.2. I answered yes.
Post by John Bailo
What version?
See above.
Post by John Bailo
Did you use the ftp dvd iso ( which says that it does not install all the
packages)?
I used the DVD from Linux format.

So stop whining you don't get any answers.
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
John Bailo
2005-05-10 22:45:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rick
I used the DVD from Linux format.
Do you mean the full DVD or the ftp DVD iso?

They do not install the same number of packages...
Rick
2005-05-10 22:58:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
I used the DVD from Linux format.
Do you mean the full DVD or the ftp DVD iso?
They do not install the same number of packages...
I mean ...

THE DVD FROM LINUX FORMAT....

... from which I installed 9.2.
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
John Bailo
2005-05-10 23:11:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rick
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
I used the DVD from Linux format.
Do you mean the full DVD or the ftp DVD iso?
They do not install the same number of packages...
I mean ...
THE DVD FROM LINUX FORMAT....
... from which I installed 9.2.
Well, that's not what I used.

I used the ftp iso dvd.

They are not the same.
Rick
2005-05-11 00:36:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
I used the DVD from Linux format.
Do you mean the full DVD or the ftp DVD iso?
They do not install the same number of packages...
I mean ...
THE DVD FROM LINUX FORMAT....
... from which I installed 9.2.
Well, that's not what I used.
I used the ftp iso dvd.
They are not the same.
DL the DVD iso.
Burn the DVD
Install from DVD.

Or go buy a boxed version. They have those things, you know. They come
with support, too.
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
John Bailo
2005-05-11 01:17:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rick
Or go buy a boxed version. They have those things, you know. They come
with support, too.
I bought 9.0 full and 9.1 update so I've invested $79 plus $59 in Suse.

I bought 9.2 as a dvd from Amazon ( because I don't have a dvd burner ).

I will spring full price for 9.3 because Beagle would be worth it to me!
* * * Y o u r . S h e p h e r d . A q u i l a . D e u s . ( d 2 0 0 5 x x , d 2 0 0 4 x x , d 2 0 0 3 x x , d 2 0 0 2 x x ) * * *
2005-05-10 07:13:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Ok.
The story so far.
I went and completely reinstalled my Suse 9.2 from the ftp iso.
I think I'm a step ahead.
The sound card (CMI8738) was detected. After the install, I was able to
log right into Suse. I saw the card listed. This time, when running
through the configuration, instead of throwing an error and saying to use
command line YaST, it went to the Finish button; however, it did not
actually start, it just reported itself as Stopped. I think I fixed it
though.
the card worked fine for me.


Cheers!
John Bailo
2005-05-10 07:27:16 UTC
Permalink
* * * Y o u r . S h e p h e r d . A q u i l a . D e u s . ( d 2
0 0 5 x x , d 2 0 0 4 x x , d 2 0 0 3 x x , d 2 0 0 2 x x ) * *
Post by * * * Y o u r . S h e p h e r d . A q u i l a . D e u s . ( d 2 0 0 5 x x , d 2 0 0 4 x x , d 2 0 0 3 x x , d 2 0 0 2 x x ) * * *
the card worked fine for me.
Well, I'm glad, as it seems to be working for me.

But it's a discovery I've come to only after months of agony.

If I had started with this card ( or bothered to read the supported card
database ) it would have all been easy.

I'll know better in the future when it comes to Suse...of course, in the
future, Suse Linux with be the standard, and all manufacturers will have to
write drivers for it!!!
John Bailo
2005-05-10 07:50:43 UTC
Permalink
More testing.

Just installed UT2004.

The native ATI Suse driver, even with acceleration, just doesn't cut it.

I think I'm taking the Ghost's advice and buying a 5500 GeForce tomorrow at
CompUSA.

In the meantime, I'd appreciate anyone who can help me master my Amarok
problems with streaming mp3 radio stations.
John Bailo
2005-05-10 08:58:23 UTC
Permalink
More success -- just installed RP10 and it works great.

Unlike before with the old soundcard:

1. The slider volume control works.
2. It doesn't bring the system to its knees.
3. Performance is good even playing a high bandwidth sound stream ( 255k,
http://kexp.org ).

I still want to master Amarok though...

Now, tomorrow, will be the night of getting DVDs to work on Xine/Kaffiene!

Sambuca here I come...


<posted & mailed>
Post by John Bailo
More testing.
Just installed UT2004.
The native ATI Suse driver, even with acceleration, just doesn't cut it.
I think I'm taking the Ghost's advice and buying a 5500 GeForce tomorrow
at CompUSA.
In the meantime, I'd appreciate anyone who can help me master my Amarok
problems with streaming mp3 radio stations.
Rick
2005-05-10 10:12:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
More testing.
Just installed UT2004.
The native ATI Suse driver, even with acceleration, just doesn't cut it.
I think I'm taking the Ghost's advice and buying a 5500 GeForce tomorrow
at CompUSA.
In the meantime, I'd appreciate anyone who can help me master my Amarok
problems with streaming mp3 radio stations.
Since we haven't seen anyone with the problem, how can you be helped?
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
Rick
2005-05-10 10:12:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
* * * Y o u r . S h e p h e r d . A q u i l a . D e u s . ( d
2 0 0 5 x x , d 2 0 0 4 x x , d 2 0 0 3 x x , d 2 0 0 2 x x ) *
Post by * * * Y o u r . S h e p h e r d . A q u i l a . D e u s . ( d 2 0 0 5 x x , d 2 0 0 4 x x , d 2 0 0 3 x x , d 2 0 0 2 x x ) * * *
the card worked fine for me.
Well, I'm glad, as it seems to be working for me.
But it's a discovery I've come to only after months of agony.
If I had started with this card ( or bothered to read the supported card
database ) it would have all been easy.
No Duh.
Post by John Bailo
I'll know better in the future when it comes to Suse...of course, in the
future, Suse Linux with be the standard, and all manufacturers will have
to write drivers for it!!!
You're an idiot. A freakin', ramblin' idiot.
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<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
Doctor Johnson
2005-05-10 08:06:16 UTC
Permalink
* * * Y o u r . S h e p h e r d . A q u i l a . D e u s . (
d 2 0 0 5 x x , d 2 0 0 4 x x , d 2 0 0 3 x x , d 2 0 0 2 x x
Post by John Bailo
Post by John Bailo
Ok.
The story so far.
I went and completely reinstalled my Suse 9.2 from the ftp iso.
I think I'm a step ahead.
The sound card (CMI8738) was detected. After the install, I was
able to
Post by John Bailo
log right into Suse. I saw the card listed. This time, when running
through the configuration, instead of throwing an error and saying
to
Post by John Bailo
use
Post by John Bailo
command line YaST, it went to the Finish button; however, it did not
actually start, it just reported itself as Stopped. I think I
fixed
Post by John Bailo
it
Post by John Bailo
though.
the card worked fine for me.
Cheers!
That sums up bailo. Everyone on earth can make it work, and he can't.
John Bailo
2005-05-10 08:36:13 UTC
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Post by Doctor Johnson
That sums up bailo. Everyone on earth can make it work, and he can't.
Can you make Amarok work with a streaming media site using Suse 9.2?

Screenshots please...
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Peter Köhlmann
2005-05-10 08:44:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Post by Doctor Johnson
That sums up bailo. Everyone on earth can make it work, and he can't.
Can you make Amarok work with a streaming media site using Suse 9.2?
Screenshots please...
You are not, and have never been, in any position to demand anything at all
After all, you are just Bailo, the Relf feeder
John Bailo
2005-05-10 08:54:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Köhlmann
You are not, and have never been, in any position to demand anything at
all After all, you are just Bailo, the Relf feeder
So, after everyone else in the ng ignores you, you come looking for me to
spew your lies.

Poor, pitiful Peter!!!
Doctor Johnson
2005-05-10 09:31:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Post by Peter Köhlmann
You are not, and have never been, in any position to demand
anything at
Post by John Bailo
Post by Peter Köhlmann
all After all, you are just Bailo, the Relf feeder
So, after everyone else in the ng ignores you, you come looking for me to
spew your lies.
Poor, pitiful Peter!!!
What lies? I did not read a single thing he wrote just now,
that was not true.
John Bailo
2005-05-10 16:42:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Doctor Johnson
What lies? I did not read a single thing he wrote just now,
that was not true.
Who, or what, let you out of the box again?
--
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http://texeme.com
Rick
2005-05-10 10:10:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Post by Peter Köhlmann
You are not, and have never been, in any position to demand anything at
all After all, you are just Bailo, the Relf feeder
So, after everyone else in the ng ignores you, you come looking for me to
spew your lies.
Poor, pitiful Peter!!!
yeah, pitiful... he has a working Suse install, without doing anything
special... pitiful.
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<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
John Bailo
2005-05-10 23:19:01 UTC
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Post by Rick
yeah, pitiful... he has a working Suse install, without doing anything
special... pitiful.
Great.

So Kohlmann and you can install Suse on a $119 Walmart special with low
end sound and no acceleration.

Whoop Di Do!
Rick
2005-05-11 00:35:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
yeah, pitiful... he has a working Suse install, without doing anything
special... pitiful.
Great.
So Kohlmann and you can install Suse on a $119 Walmart special with low
end sound and no acceleration.
Whoop Di Do!
Actually, this is a 2 year old desktop that was put together at a computer
show. It has an AMD Athlon XP 1800+ processor, on-board sound (disabled),
Creative SoundBlaster Live 5.1, on-board video (disabled), nVidia geforce4
mmx 440, internal CD/DVD ROM, Internal CDRW, ATI TV Wonder (yes, I watch
TV on the desktop, CSI, at the moment). I have an Epson 740 printer, Epson
perfection 1260 Scanner and a Fuji FinePix A101 Camera. All work.

-I- can listen to streaming audio using Amarok, and xmms. Lately I have
been DLing TV shows (Jag, Andromeda, Enterprise, Dr. Who) because I am
usually out on Friday nights. (Translation: I have an outside life). and
yes, I burn them to data CDs and/or VCDs.

On this desktop box I have installed Red Hat 9, Fedora Core I, Suse 9.1
and Suse 9.2. I have used various Mandrake distros

And... I have never failed to get a peripheral working... on the desktop.
The problems on the laptop was usually PCMCIA related, but everything is
working on it too, including wireless networking and the winmodem.

So, Bailo, as you can see, I am not exactly inexperienced, AND i have a
bit of perspective on installing various Linux distros, various MacOS
versions and various window$ versions, as well as DOS and ProDOS (do you
even know what ProDOS is?

You may now continue your whining.
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
* * * Y o u r . S h e p h e r d . A q u i l a . D e u s . ( d 2 0 0 5 x x , d 2 0 0 4 x x , d 2 0 0 3 x x , d 2 0 0 2 x x ) * * *
2005-05-10 09:28:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Köhlmann
Post by John Bailo
Post by Doctor Johnson
That sums up bailo. Everyone on earth can make it work, and he can't.
Can you make Amarok work with a streaming media site using Suse 9.2?
Screenshots please...
You are not, and have never been, in any position to demand anything at all
After all, you are just Bailo, the Relf feeder
and Relf is the Bailo feeder... funny :-)
* * * Y o u r . S h e p h e r d . A q u i l a . D e u s . ( d 2 0 0 5 x x , d 2 0 0 4 x x , d 2 0 0 3 x x , d 2 0 0 2 x x ) * * *
2005-05-10 09:29:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Post by Doctor Johnson
That sums up bailo. Everyone on earth can make it work, and he can't.
Can you make Amarok work with a streaming media site using Suse 9.2?
Screenshots please...
I have never visited any media site. CD beats everything!
Doctor Johnson
2005-05-10 09:46:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Post by Doctor Johnson
That sums up bailo. Everyone on earth can make it work, and he can't.
Can you make Amarok work with a streaming media site using Suse 9.2?
Screenshots please...
--
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http://texeme.com
I suppose I could, if I actually wanted to, however, I dont.

I don't setup my linux box just so that I can stream music,
and play games on it. What a wonderful waste of time that would
be. I might as well just go straight back to windows, if that
was all I used Linux for.

When are you going to come to the conclustion, that you and
Linux just don't mix. In all the time you've haunted COLA,
I've never seen you perform a good setup of Linux yet, and
make your hardware work. It's always some sound card, or
video problem.

Stop buying state of the art hardware, that you will never
be able to configure, and get something you KNOW will work
straight out of the box.
Rick
2005-05-10 10:09:23 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
Post by Doctor Johnson
That sums up bailo. Everyone on earth can make it work, and he can't.
Can you make Amarok work with a streaming media site using Suse 9.2?
Screenshots please...
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<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
David W Studeman
2005-05-10 11:43:54 UTC
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Post by Rick
Post by John Bailo
Post by Doctor Johnson
That sums up bailo. Everyone on earth can make it work, and he can't.
Can you make Amarok work with a streaming media site using Suse 9.2?
Screenshots please...
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/stuff/snapshot1.png>
Looks good, now can we see the girl?
--
Dave
Rick
2005-05-10 13:13:36 UTC
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Post by David W Studeman
Post by Rick
Post by John Bailo
Post by Doctor Johnson
That sums up bailo. Everyone on earth can make it work, and he can't.
Can you make Amarok work with a streaming media site using Suse 9.2?
Screenshots please...
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/stuff/snapshot1.png>
Looks good, now can we see the girl?
It's Charisma Carpenter. Her pictures are all over.
John Bailo
2005-05-10 16:40:05 UTC
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Post by Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/stuff/snapshot1.png>
1. Are you running in Suse 9.2 ?

2. Did you have have to add any special packages like mp3 or "Multimedia
Pack" ( which I understand is part of 9.3, but not 9.2.

3. I used the ftp iso to install and now I find that it doesn't install
all the packages that the full distro would -- so I'm wondering if it's
missing a streaming package.

Not that any "Advocate" could tell me with any precise knowledge...
--
Texeme
http://texeme.com
Honey Trap
2005-05-10 16:49:03 UTC
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John Bailo wrote:

[snip Bailo whining]
Post by John Bailo
Not that any "Advocate" could tell me with any precise knowledge...
If you want tech support, fuck off to the tech support groups.

C.
Peter Köhlmann
2005-05-10 19:11:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Honey Trap
[snip Bailo whining]
Post by John Bailo
Not that any "Advocate" could tell me with any precise knowledge...
If you want tech support, fuck off to the tech support groups.
C.
He is already posting his inane drivel in there
John Bailo
2005-05-10 20:13:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Köhlmann
inane drivel in there
I have yet to hear any relevent content from you, PK.
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http://texeme.com
John Bailo
2005-05-10 22:26:38 UTC
Permalink
Ok, now it's on to video cards.

I just went to Comp USA in Tukwila and bought a AGP GeForceFX 5200 Plus
8x/4x.

The 5200 is listed in the Suse Supported Hardware database as fully
supported for acceleration.

It says on the box it has "Full Direct 9 and OpenGL 1.4 Support".

We'll see...
Peter Köhlmann
2005-05-10 22:39:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Ok, now it's on to video cards.
I just went to Comp USA in Tukwila and bought a AGP GeForceFX 5200 Plus
8x/4x.
The 5200 is listed in the Suse Supported Hardware database as fully
supported for acceleration.
It says on the box it has "Full Direct 9 and OpenGL 1.4 Support".
We'll see...
Well, lets guess: It works for everyone. Except you
Rick
2005-05-10 22:44:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Köhlmann
Post by John Bailo
Ok, now it's on to video cards.
I just went to Comp USA in Tukwila and bought a AGP GeForceFX 5200 Plus
8x/4x.
The 5200 is listed in the Suse Supported Hardware database as fully
supported for acceleration.
It says on the box it has "Full Direct 9 and OpenGL 1.4 Support".
We'll see...
Well, lets guess: It works for everyone. Except you
... and flatfish.

Do you think they are twins that were separated at birth?
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
John Bailo
2005-05-10 23:15:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rick
Do you think they are twins that were separated at birth?
Rick,

I think my posts are relevent technical material.

I really can't think of any justifications for your attacks other than
that you are a paid troll here to disrupt.

Your manner, as I have shown in a combined post of your rants, is shrill
and violent.

I wish you would leave the ng -- NOW!
Rick
2005-05-11 00:18:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
Do you think they are twins that were separated at birth?
Rick,
I think my posts are relevent technical material.
Your 'thinking' is flawed. You ask for technical help in an advocacy
group, instead of the appropriate groups and forums.
Post by John Bailo
I really can't think of any justifications for your attacks other than
that you are a paid troll here to disrupt.
That's because your thinking is flawed.
Post by John Bailo
Your manner, as I have shown in a combined post of your rants, is shrill
and violent.
I wish you would leave the ng -- NOW!
I don't care what you wish.

You act like a backward child. If your distro of the day (usually Suse) is
working, you claim it is the best thing for the world. If it isn't, you
are bitching and moaning about how bad it is. Then, if you get a problem
solved, you are back to screaming about how perfect life is with Suse.

Along with that, you dishonestly snip posts to remove context.

You even tried to prove I could install Linux using my posts which were
talking about problems that are well documented in the literature.

Grow up.
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
John Bailo
2005-05-11 00:22:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rick
You even tried to prove I could install Linux using my posts which were
talking about problems that are well documented in the literature.
Put some oil on your crank; it's really noisy when you backpedal,
Kadaitcha Man.
Rick
2005-05-11 00:53:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
You even tried to prove I could install Linux using my posts which were
talking about problems that are well documented in the literature.
Put some oil on your crank; it's really noisy when you backpedal,
Kadaitcha Man.
You really are one stupid and dishonest git.
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
John Bailo
2005-05-11 01:24:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rick
Along with that, you dishonestly snip posts to remove context.
... I ...
... a... problem
Yes, yes, rick, you are.
Rick
2005-05-11 01:55:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
Along with that, you dishonestly snip posts to remove context.
... I ...
... a... problem
Yes, yes, rick, you are.
Typical Bailo dishonesty.
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
William Poaster
2005-05-11 09:55:07 UTC
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begin OEKillFileMe.vbs It was on Wed, 11 May 2005 01:55:51 +0000, that
Post by Rick
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
Along with that, you dishonestly snip posts to remove context.
... I ...
... a... problem
Yes, yes, rick, you are.
Typical Bailo dishonesty.
Bailo's a nymshifting troll, & (IMO) with a mental problem.
--
With GPL the only thing Microsoft
gets for free is nightmares.
-- Jean Francois Martinez --
BSOD
2005-05-11 04:23:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rick
Post by Peter Köhlmann
Post by John Bailo
Ok, now it's on to video cards.
I just went to Comp USA in Tukwila and bought a AGP GeForceFX 5200 Plus
8x/4x.
The 5200 is listed in the Suse Supported Hardware database as fully
supported for acceleration.
It says on the box it has "Full Direct 9 and OpenGL 1.4 Support".
We'll see...
Well, lets guess: It works for everyone. Except you
... and flatfish.
Do you think they are twins that were separated at birth?
Yes, but which of them is the mad and deformed one, that lives
in the basket, as depicted in the film "Basket Case"?
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For all versions of Windows. Press alt-ctrl-delete to
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Rick
2005-05-11 10:01:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rick
Post by Peter Köhlmann
Post by John Bailo
Ok, now it's on to video cards.
I just went to Comp USA in Tukwila and bought a AGP GeForceFX 5200
Plus 8x/4x.
The 5200 is listed in the Suse Supported Hardware database as fully
supported for acceleration.
It says on the box it has "Full Direct 9 and OpenGL 1.4 Support".
We'll see...
Well, lets guess: It works for everyone. Except you
... and flatfish.
Do you think they are twins that were separated at birth?
Yes, but which of them is the mad and deformed one, that lives in the
basket, as depicted in the film "Basket Case"?
Both?
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
John Bailo
2005-05-10 22:45:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Ok, now it's on to video cards.
I just went to Comp USA in Tukwila and bought a AGP GeForceFX 5200 Plus
8x/4x.
The 5200 is listed in the Suse Supported Hardware database as fully
supported for acceleration.
It says on the box it has "Full Direct 9 and OpenGL 1.4 Support".
We'll see...
Oh, the other cool thing:

On the side of the box:

Driver Support:

"Linux compatible"

!Sign O' The Times!
Rick
2005-05-10 18:33:55 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/stuff/snapshot1.png>
1. Are you running in Suse 9.2 ?
Yes.
Post by John Bailo
2. Did you have have to add any special packages like mp3 or "Multimedia
Pack" ( which I understand is part of 9.3, but not 9.2.
I don't recall adding any mp3 packages.
Post by John Bailo
3. I used the ftp iso to install and now I find that it doesn't install
all the packages that the full distro would -- so I'm wondering if it's
missing a streaming package.
Not that any "Advocate" could tell me with any precise knowledge...
... not that it would do any good.
--
Rick
William Poaster
2005-05-10 22:32:35 UTC
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begin OEKillFileMe.vbs It was on Tue, 10 May 2005 14:33:55 -0400, that
Post by Rick
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/stuff/snapshot1.png>
1. Are you running in Suse 9.2 ?
Yes.
So am I.
Post by Rick
Post by John Bailo
2. Did you have have to add any special packages like mp3 or "Multimedia
Pack" ( which I understand is part of 9.3, but not 9.2.
I don't recall adding any mp3 packages.
Nor do I.
Post by Rick
Post by John Bailo
3. I used the ftp iso to install and now I find that it doesn't install
all the packages that the full distro would -- so I'm wondering if it's
missing a streaming package.
Not that any "Advocate" could tell me with any precise knowledge...
... not that it would do any good.
I certainly wouldn't tell him.
--
With GPL the only thing Microsoft
gets for free is nightmares.
-- Jean Francois Martinez --
Walter Bubniak
2005-05-10 22:50:19 UTC
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Post by William Poaster
begin OEKillFileMe.vbs It was on Tue, 10 May 2005 14:33:55 -0400, that
Post by Rick
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/stuff/snapshot1.png>
1. Are you running in Suse 9.2 ?
Yes.
So am I.
Post by Rick
Post by John Bailo
2. Did you have have to add any special packages like mp3 or "Multimedia
Pack" ( which I understand is part of 9.2, but not 9.3.
I don't recall adding any mp3 packages.
Nor do I.
That's because you are a lying Linux fool.
http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000773039135/
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8885&page=3


Why not discuss the current version of Suse instead of the older even more
buggy versions.
John Bailo
2005-05-10 23:14:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Walter Bubniak
That's because you are a lying Linux fool.
http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000773039135/
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8885&page=3
Why not discuss the current version of Suse instead of the older even more
buggy versions.
Sounds like for 9.2 I need to install:

"SUSE, however, according to a review of the forthcoming 9.3 release,
has actually compiled GStreamer, Arts, & the KDE Multimedia packages..."
Mark Kent
2005-05-12 06:19:39 UTC
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begin oe_protect.scr
Post by Walter Bubniak
Post by William Poaster
begin OEKillFileMe.vbs It was on Tue, 10 May 2005 14:33:55 -0400, that
Post by Rick
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/stuff/snapshot1.png>
1. Are you running in Suse 9.2 ?
Yes.
So am I.
Post by Rick
Post by John Bailo
2. Did you have have to add any special packages like mp3 or "Multimedia
Pack" ( which I understand is part of 9.2, but not 9.3.
I don't recall adding any mp3 packages.
Nor do I.
That's because you are a lying Linux fool.
There's really no need for that. If you've something useful to add, why not
try adding it without gratuitous abuse tacked on?
Post by Walter Bubniak
http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000773039135/
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8885&page=3
Why not discuss the current version of Suse instead of the older even more
buggy versions.
Why would older be more buggy? Don't different versions have different things
in them, as you're claiming above?
--
end
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Toddlers are the stormtroopers of the Lord of Entropy.
John Bailo
2005-05-12 06:46:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark Kent
Why would older be more buggy? Don't different versions have different
things in them, as you're claiming above?
You need to ignore him.

He just jumps into every request for information, and spreads a lot of fud
to make the situation seem worse that what it is.

He's obviously on the *payroll*.

Rick
2005-05-10 18:35:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/stuff/snapshot1.png>
1. Are you running in Suse 9.2 ?
2. Did you have have to add any special packages like mp3 or "Multimedia
Pack" ( which I understand is part of 9.3, but not 9.2.
3. I used the ftp iso to install and now I find that it doesn't install
all the packages that the full distro would -- so I'm wondering if it's
missing a streaming package.
Not that any "Advocate" could tell me with any precise knowledge...
BSOD makes a good point. If you want tech support, use the preoper
resources... like technical groups or Amarok forums.
--
Rick
John Bailo
2005-05-10 18:57:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rick
BSOD makes a good point. If you want tech support, use the preoper
resources... like technical groups or Amarok forums.
This is more than just "tech support".

This is challenge to the Linux community and Advocacy.

Can I take the leading distro, and, following all their rules and
guidelines, produce a working machine that can run the standard apps,
and especially, media -- CD, DVD, Internet -- with minimal or no add-ons
or expert level configuration?
Peter Köhlmann
2005-05-10 19:10:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
BSOD makes a good point. If you want tech support, use the preoper
resources... like technical groups or Amarok forums.
This is more than just "tech support".
This is challenge to the Linux community and Advocacy.
Which can just as well tell you to sod off, Bailo
You certainly will never receive any help from me
Post by John Bailo
Can I take the leading distro, and, following all their rules and
guidelines, produce a working machine that can run the standard apps,
and especially, media -- CD, DVD, Internet -- with minimal or no add-ons
or expert level configuration?
No. *You* can't. Anybody else, sure
John Bailo
2005-05-10 20:13:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Köhlmann
You certainly will never receive any help from me
Wow...it's a new day in techo-town!
--
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http://texeme.com
The Ghost In The Machine
2005-05-10 23:00:03 UTC
Permalink
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, John Bailo
<***@texeme.com>
wrote
on Tue, 10 May 2005 13:13:13 -0700
Post by John Bailo
Post by Peter Köhlmann
You certainly will never receive any help from me
Wow...it's a new day in techo-town!
This isn't Tech-Town. It's Screamsville. :-P Tech-Town is
over in comp.os.linux.setup, about 15 clicks away.
--
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It's still legal to go .sigless.
BSOD
2005-05-11 04:37:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Ghost In The Machine
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, John Bailo
on Tue, 10 May 2005 13:13:13 -0700
Post by John Bailo
Post by Peter Köhlmann
You certainly will never receive any help from me
Wow...it's a new day in techo-town!
This isn't Tech-Town. It's Screamsville. :-P Tech-Town is
over in comp.os.linux.setup, about 15 clicks away.
I've seen many technical problems solved here, when its
shown that the OP is geniune, and not just a troll
like Bailo. They are then pointed to a more relevant
group to post to in the future.

In a previous subthread, I read that bailo had accused
rick of being a paid troll, to disrupt COLA by flooding
it. As far as I can see, it's Bailo thats doing that
and has been doing so for as long as I've been reading
COLA, which is at least 2 years now.

If Bailo had one iota of geniune inside of him,
he would know perfectly well that COLA is not
a technical forum. He is not a newbie here,
and should know better.

He is no better than flatfish. He Installs
some version of Linux, then bitches about it.

He is a wintroll, as I've said before.
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For all versions of Windows. Press alt-ctrl-delete to
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memory.
John Bailo
2005-05-11 04:42:58 UTC
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Post by BSOD
I've seen many technical problems solved here, when its
shown that the OP is geniune, and not just a troll
Blah...blah...blah...yet more non answers.

I'm subscribing to the suse-linux-e mailing list right now to see if anyone
there knows how to use Suse Linux 9.2
Rick
2005-05-11 10:01:15 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
I've seen many technical problems solved here, when its shown that the
OP is geniune, and not just a troll
Blah...blah...blah...yet more non answers.
I'm subscribing to the suse-linux-e mailing list right now to see if
anyone there knows how to use Suse Linux 9.2
Gee, have you considered the suse support group or forum?

novell.support.suse.linux.professional
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Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
John Bailo
2005-05-11 12:05:53 UTC
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Post by Rick
novell.support.suse.linux.professional
No, but now that you mention it -- I will be spending more time there
and on the mailing list...those are good places for accurate technical
information about Suse linux.
--
Texeme Construct
http://texeme.com
John Bailo
2005-05-11 04:59:48 UTC
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Ok, LOL.

Here's a kicker.

I'm almost at the point of trying to purchase a support /token/ from Suse to
try and get this issue resolved...and guess what?

I go to this page:

http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/index.html?sourceidint=productsmenu_linuxprofessional

And I mouse over the left hand menu -- and they appear *underneath* the
flash graphic!! So I can't see which choice I pick for paid support!!!

This is using Konqueror and the nVidia driver ( w/o 3-D support ).

You can't even *pay* to get support from these people!!
Rick
2005-05-10 22:25:50 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
BSOD makes a good point. If you want tech support, use the preoper
resources... like technical groups or Amarok forums.
This is more than just "tech support".
No, it isn't.
Post by John Bailo
This is challenge to the Linux community and Advocacy.
No, it isn't.
Post by John Bailo
Can I take the leading distro, and, following all their rules and
guidelines, produce a working machine that can run the standard apps, and
especially, media -- CD, DVD, Internet -- with minimal or no add-ons or
expert level configuration?
No, I don't think -you- can. OTOH, other people do it all the time.
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Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
John Bailo
2005-05-10 22:27:19 UTC
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Post by Rick
No, I don't think -you- can. OTOH, other people do it all the time.
A simple Google search will immediately prove you wrong.
Peter Köhlmann
2005-05-10 22:38:55 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
No, I don't think -you- can. OTOH, other people do it all the time.
A simple Google search will immediately prove you wrong.
Well, show us the URL then where you post your success
Or will you rather admit that *you* can't?
Rick
2005-05-10 22:42:50 UTC
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(more Bailo snipping)
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
No, I don't think -you- can. OTOH, other people do it all the time.
A simple Google search will immediately prove you wrong.
Really? A simple Google search will prove there are no succesul Suse
installs?

Bailo, go get some meds.
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
John Bailo
2005-05-10 22:47:02 UTC
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Post by Rick
Really? A simple Google search will prove there are no succesul Suse
Ok, lets see it.

Post the URL of a perfect Suse install that boasts:

1. Working digital and analog sound w/o building drivers or installing
kernel mods.

2. Working 3D accel graphics card from ATI.
Rick
2005-05-10 22:57:02 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
Really? A simple Google search will prove there are no successful Suse
Ok, lets see it.
That was my question... you didn't answer it.

A simple Google search will prove there are no successful Suse installs?
Post by John Bailo
1. Working digital and analog sound w/o building drivers or installing
kernel mods.
I have working sound without building anything special. I haven't had to
build anything special for any desktop install. And I didn't have to build
anything special for my laptop.
Post by John Bailo
2. Working 3D accel graphics card from ATI.
I don't use ATI...

Now, why do you think that people that have successfully installed Suse
will be posting that they have successfully installed Suse, except to
remind you that you are an idiot?
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Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
John Bailo
2005-05-10 23:12:56 UTC
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Post by Rick
I have working sound without building anything special. I haven't had to
build anything special for any desktop install. And I didn't have to build
anything special for my laptop.
What sound chip?
Post by Rick
I don't use ATI...
A) Then you're comments are irrelevent to the discussion.
B) What graphic chipset do you use?
C) Can you do acceleration ( do you even know what that is ) ?
Tom Shelton
2005-05-10 23:27:54 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
I have working sound without building anything special. I haven't had to
build anything special for any desktop install. And I didn't have to build
anything special for my laptop.
What sound chip?
I have nforce2 audio. Though, I don't use the actual nforce-audio
package. I use the snd-intel8x0 driver... Works fine for me. This is
the onboard sound on my ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe mobo.
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
I don't use ATI...
A) Then you're comments are irrelevent to the discussion.
B) What graphic chipset do you use?
nVida.
Post by John Bailo
C) Can you do acceleration ( do you even know what that is ) ?
Yeah... My ancient nVida card gets about twice the frame rate as you
were getting with your ATI card. Using the nVida drivers and xorg.
--
Tom Shelton
John Bailo
2005-05-10 23:57:14 UTC
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Post by Tom Shelton
Yeah... My ancient nVida card gets about twice the frame rate as you
were getting with your ATI card. Using the nVida drivers and xorg.
Damn!

I'm itching to get home and plug in this 5200 then!
--
Texeme
http://texeme.com
John Bailo
2005-05-11 01:19:17 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
Post by Tom Shelton
Yeah... My ancient nVida card gets about twice the frame rate as you
were getting with your ATI card. Using the nVida drivers and xorg.
Damn!
I'm itching to get home and plug in this 5200 then!
Ok, she's plugged in. I booted, the 5200 was autodetected and threw me
into COWS Yast.

Sadly, I could not yet immediately select 3D because it requires me to
download an nVidia patch from YOU "for legal reasons". I'm doing that
now, but I don't have much faith since it's been sitting at 99 percent for
about five minutes after saying:

Installing fetchnvidia.sh"Download NVIDIA(r) Graphics Driver"
John Bailo
2005-05-11 03:41:12 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
Installing fetchnvidia.sh"Download NVIDIA(r) Graphics Driver"
Ok, now I'm stuck.

I installed the nVidia driver as instucted using You, but it doesn't take.

If I go to check the 3D button to enable acceleration, it just keeps telling
me to install the driver

HELP!

I have now spent $70 on new hardware that was recommended by Linux Advocates
galore, and yet Suse 9,2 can't install it easily on the first try.

What gives???????
Rick
2005-05-11 03:55:45 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
Post by John Bailo
Installing fetchnvidia.sh"Download NVIDIA(r) Graphics Driver"
Ok, now I'm stuck.
I installed the nVidia driver as instucted using You, but it doesn't take.
If I go to check the 3D button to enable acceleration, it just keeps
telling me to install the driver
HELP!
I have now spent $70 on new hardware that was recommended by Linux
Advocates galore, and yet Suse 9,2 can't install it easily on the first
try.
What gives???????
Remove the driver using instructions on the nVidia page and install the
driver manually.

BTW, you might like to know that Amarok has problems playing certain
streams, at least under Suse.
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
John Bailo
2005-05-11 04:19:28 UTC
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Post by Rick
Remove the driver using instructions on the nVidia page and install the
driver manually.
I am downloading the driver from here:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7174.html

And I notice there's document for Suse users.

Of course this completely defeats the test which is to

(a) but a video card that is in the recommended hardware list on Novell's
hardware database.

(b) easily install it and get the features as promised...
Post by Rick
BTW, you might like to know that Amarok has problems playing certain
streams, at least under Suse.
That's for the tip.

My experience so far as been with all streams.

If you could post a stream ( radio station from a web page ) that you know
is working, I would try it and post my results.

Another poster mentioned several addtional packages needed to get mp3
streams running in Amarok. At least I can use RP10 for now.
Rick
2005-05-11 09:57:33 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
Remove the driver using instructions on the nVidia page and install the
driver manually.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7174.html
And I notice there's document for Suse users.
Of course this completely defeats the test which is to
(a) but a video card that is in the recommended hardware list on Novell's
hardware database.
(b) easily install it and get the features as promised...
Post by Rick
BTW, you might like to know that Amarok has problems playing certain
streams, at least under Suse.
That's for the tip.
My experience so far as been with all streams.
If you could post a stream ( radio station from a web page ) that you know
is working, I would try it and post my results.
I have already done that. You obviously went to my page because you
tried to prove I couldn't install Linux with out of context quotes from
my laptop page.

<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/stuff/snapshot1.png>

It is one of the few that play in Amarok. They play fine in xmms.
Post by John Bailo
Another poster mentioned several addtional packages needed to get mp3
streams running in Amarok. At least I can use RP10 for now.
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
John Bailo
2005-05-11 04:21:32 UTC
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Post by Rick
BTW, you might like to know that Amarok has problems playing certain
streams, at least under Suse.
Hmm...although, I notice this:

ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/XFree86/nvidia-installer-HOWTO#3

"NOTE: There is no need to try to enable 3D support. It's already
enabled, when the nvidia driver is running."

So maybe I'm up and running...but when I try to do a



glxgears

I only get 300 fps.

or

glxinfo

it says dri is not enabled....


I really want to install this the /easy/ way...
John Bailo
2005-05-11 04:31:31 UTC
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<posted & mailed>

John Bailo wrote:
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/XFree86/nvidia-installer-HOWTO#3
Post by John Bailo
"NOTE: There is no need to try to enable 3D support. It's already
enabled, when the nvidia driver is running."
More information.

Ok, doing it the /easy/ way via Yast:

I read some articles and they tell me I have to delete the "nv" driver and
pick "Nvidia". This I do, and then I select "5200".

Ok, if I go to check 3-D Acceleration, it does say "Enabled"...however, at
the point that I accept the new configuration, and go back to the Yast
Screen from Sax, it has all the new changes /except/ it says 3-D disabled!

If I go back into sax to change configuration, it's back to /disabled/ and
if i try to enable it I get the message about downloading the nvidia
patch...!!!
Tom Shelton
2005-05-11 04:33:22 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
BTW, you might like to know that Amarok has problems playing certain
streams, at least under Suse.
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/XFree86/nvidia-installer-HOWTO#3
"NOTE: There is no need to try to enable 3D support. It's already
enabled, when the nvidia driver is running."
So maybe I'm up and running...but when I try to do a
glxgears
I only get 300 fps.
or
glxinfo
it says dri is not enabled....
I really want to install this the /easy/ way...
Then switch distro's...

# emerge nvidia-glx

edit a couple of config files, insod nvidia, restart X, and with my MSI
GF4 Ti4200 (128 MB) I get like ~3500 to 4000 fps.
--
Tom Shelton
John Bailo
2005-05-11 04:42:13 UTC
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Post by Tom Shelton
Then switch distro's...
Once again...a non-answer.
Post by Tom Shelton
# emerge nvidia-glx
edit a couple of config files, insod nvidia, restart X, and with my MSI
GF4 Ti4200 (128 MB) I get like ~3500 to 4000 fps.
I tried adding Load "dri" to XF86Config but it didn't make a difference.
Tom Shelton
2005-05-11 04:50:28 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
Post by Tom Shelton
Then switch distro's...
Once again...a non-answer.
Nope... It is an answer. I'm sorry, but from the little I've used
Suse, and from what I've seen on the web - it's crap. I'm serious, I
think I see more problems just surfing around related to Suse then just
about anything else.
Post by John Bailo
Post by Tom Shelton
# emerge nvidia-glx
edit a couple of config files, insod nvidia, restart X, and with my MSI
GF4 Ti4200 (128 MB) I get like ~3500 to 4000 fps.
I tried adding Load "dri" to XF86Config but it didn't make a difference.
Here is my xorg.conf:

Section "Device"
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "nVidia Corporation"
BoardName "NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8x]"
BusID "PCI:3:0:0"
Option "NvAGP" "3"
Option "RenderAccel" "Enable"
Option "DigitalVibrance" "85"
Option "CursorShadow" "True"
EndSection

Here is part of my glxinfo output:

name of display: :0.0
display: :0 screen: 0
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.3

See, direct rendering...
--
Tom Shelton
John Bailo
2005-05-11 05:09:01 UTC
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Post by Tom Shelton
Section "Device"
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "nVidia Corporation"
BoardName "NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8x]"
BusID "PCI:3:0:0"
Option "NvAGP" "3"
Option "RenderAccel" "Enable"
Option "DigitalVibrance" "85"
Option "CursorShadow" "True"
EndSection
This is mine:

Section "Device"
BoardName "GeForce FX 5200"
Driver "nvidia"
Identifier "Device[0]"
Screen 0
Option "Rotate" "off"
VendorName "NVidia"
EndSection

I wonder if I just put

Option "RenderAccel" "Enable" if it would do the trick?

Here's my "Module" section:

Section "Module"
Load "glx"
Load "type1"
Load "extmod"
Load "dbe"
Load "freetype"
Load "v4l"
Load "dri"
EndSection

I put the Load "dri" in myself, but that is from my ATI documentation, not
NVidea...
Tom Shelton
2005-05-11 05:14:10 UTC
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Post by Tom Shelton
Post by Tom Shelton
Section "Device"
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "nVidia Corporation"
BoardName "NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8x]"
BusID "PCI:3:0:0"
Option "NvAGP" "3"
Option "RenderAccel" "Enable"
Option "DigitalVibrance" "85"
Option "CursorShadow" "True"
EndSection
Section "Device"
BoardName "GeForce FX 5200"
Driver "nvidia"
Identifier "Device[0]"
Screen 0
Option "Rotate" "off"
VendorName "NVidia"
EndSection
I wonder if I just put
Option "RenderAccel" "Enable" if it would do the trick?
Section "Module"
Load "glx"
Load "type1"
Load "extmod"
Load "dbe"
Load "freetype"
Load "v4l"
Load "dri"
EndSection
I put the Load "dri" in myself, but that is from my ATI documentation, not
NVidea...
Here is my module section:

Section "Module"
Load "extmod"
#Load "dri"
Load "dbe"
Load "record"
Load "xtrap"
Load "glx"
Load "speedo"
Load "type1"
Load "freetype"
EndSection

Notice, dri is commented out...
--
Tom Shelton
John Bailo
2005-05-11 05:18:20 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
Post by John Bailo
Section "Module"
Load "glx"
Load "type1"
Load "extmod"
Load "dbe"
Load "freetype"
Load "v4l"
Load "dri"
EndSection
I put the Load "dri" in myself, but that is from my ATI documentation,
not NVidea...
Section "Module"
Load "extmod"
#Load "dri"
Load "dbe"
Load "record"
Load "xtrap"
Load "glx"
Load "speedo"
Load "type1"
Load "freetype"
EndSection
Notice, dri is commented out...
Load "record"
Load "xtrap"
Load "glx"
Load "speedo"
Load "type1"
Speedo? I think of Fat Germans sunbathing in tiny bathing suits on the
Riviera...yuk!

Seriously, I will try putting those in there ... but they may be model
specific...you're using a 4400, me a 5200.

But there may be some xorg.conf docs around for the 5200 somewhere!
Rick
2005-05-11 09:53:17 UTC
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Post by Tom Shelton
Post by Tom Shelton
Section "Device"
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "nVidia Corporation"
BoardName "NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8x]" BusID "PCI:3:0:0"
Option "NvAGP" "3"
Option "RenderAccel" "Enable"
Option "DigitalVibrance" "85"
Option "CursorShadow" "True"
EndSection
Section "Device"
BoardName "GeForce FX 5200"
Driver "nvidia"
Identifier "Device[0]"
Screen 0
Option "Rotate" "off"
VendorName "NVidia"
EndSection
I wonder if I just put
Option "RenderAccel" "Enable" if it would do the trick?
Section "Module"
Load "glx"
Load "type1"
Load "extmod"
Load "dbe"
Load "freetype"
Load "v4l"
Load "dri"
EndSection
I put the Load "dri" in myself, but that is from my ATI documentation, not
NVidea...
<ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7174/README.txt>

If you already have an X config file working with a different driver
(such as the 'nv' or 'vesa' driver), then all you need to do is find
the relevant Device section and replace the line:

Driver "nv"
(or Driver "vesa")

with

Driver "nvidia"

In the Module section, make sure you have:

Load "glx"

You should also remove the following lines:

Load "dri"
Load "GLcore"




From my XF86Config:

Section "Device"
BoardName "GeForce4 MX 440"
BusID "1:0:0"
Driver "nvidia"
Identifier "Device[0]"
Screen 0
VendorName "NVidia"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "v4l"
Load "dbe"
Load "glx"
Load "type1"
Load "freetype"
Load "extmod"
EndSection

Now, go off to the nVidia page and do some reading.
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
JEDIDIAH
2005-05-11 16:46:31 UTC
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Post by Tom Shelton
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
BTW, you might like to know that Amarok has problems playing certain
streams, at least under Suse.
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/XFree86/nvidia-installer-HOWTO#3
"NOTE: There is no need to try to enable 3D support. It's already
enabled, when the nvidia driver is running."
So maybe I'm up and running...but when I try to do a
glxgears
I only get 300 fps.
or
glxinfo
it says dri is not enabled....
I really want to install this the /easy/ way...
Then switch distro's...
...or just use the installer that Nvidia corp provides.

Works like a charm under Mandrake or Debian on 2.4 or 2.6.
Post by Tom Shelton
# emerge nvidia-glx
edit a couple of config files, insod nvidia, restart X, and with my MSI
GF4 Ti4200 (128 MB) I get like ~3500 to 4000 fps.
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John Bailo
2005-05-11 17:42:55 UTC
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Post by JEDIDIAH
...or just use the installer that Nvidia corp provides.
Thats what I end up doing and it works perfectly now.
John Bailo
2005-05-11 17:46:32 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
Post by JEDIDIAH
...or just use the installer that Nvidia corp provides.
Thats what I end up doing and it works perfectly now.
Although, I do have one question...at this point, how should I get
updates...should I continue to use the "tiny-installer"? Should I see
them in YaST/YOU? Download them direct from nVidia?
Rick
2005-05-11 00:12:33 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
I have working sound without building anything special. I haven't had to
build anything special for any desktop install. And I didn't have to
build anything special for my laptop.
What sound chip?
I am using a Creative SoundBlaster Live 5.1
Post by John Bailo
Post by Rick
I don't use ATI...
A) Then you're comments are irrelevent to the discussion. B) What graphic
chipset do you use?
I am using an nVidia geforce4 mx 440
Post by John Bailo
C) Can you do acceleration ( do you even know what that is ) ?
Yes. I am using nVidia's driver, installed using YaST. When I was using
other distros, I manually installed the nVidia driver.

BTW, IIRC, Suse 8.2 2 installed on my laptop with an ATI Rage LT. Sound
worked, too (ESS Solo-1). It ran a little slow, compared to FC 1, which is
why I went back to FC1.

And just so you know, Bailo, I have run Linux on laptops, desktops and
even a Beige G3 Mac, and have not had a fraction of the problems you have
had.
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
John Bailo
2005-05-11 00:25:24 UTC
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Post by Rick
And just so you know, Bailo, I have run Linux on laptops, desktops and
even a Beige G3 Mac, and have not had a fraction of the problems you have
had.
Right, but I bet I have pushed my Linux system further than you ever
could hope to:

1) I have run an ATI TV Wonder card in Linux

2) I have run the SB Live! by compiling my own drivers from the ALSA root.

3) Run the advanced drivers for the ATI 9200 by compiling my own from
the sources.

4) Use the UT2004 for Linux game as a bench mark ( and because it's fun
to blow up stuff ).

5) Access and experiement with many forms of streaming audio and video.

6) Create and host dynamic web sites with content built with java,
asp.net on mono, links to mysql.

7) SDL/c/c++/c# development.
Rick
2005-05-11 00:52:31 UTC
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Post by Rick
And just so you know, Bailo, I have run Linux on laptops, desktops and
even a Beige G3 Mac, and have not had a fraction of the problems you
have had.
Right, but I bet I have pushed my Linux system further than you ever could
1) I have run an ATI TV Wonder card in Linux
I am watching TV on a ATI TV card now.
2) I have run the SB Live! by compiling my own drivers from the ALSA root.
I have compiled sound drivers too. Big Deal.
3) Run the advanced drivers for the ATI 9200 by compiling my own from the
sources.
I switched to nVidia. The closest Iv'e come to compiling from source is
manual installation.
4) Use the UT2004 for Linux game as a bench mark ( and because it's fun to
blow up stuff ).
I don't play those.
5) Access and experiement with many forms of streaming audio and video.
Yes? So? I've streaming audio for years, although I have done much with
video, other than TV.
6) Create and host dynamic web sites with content built with java, asp.net
on mono, links to mysql.
Big deal. I have created and managed web pages with dynamic content, too.
7) SDL/c/c++/c# development.
I have don't that.

So what? I've done most of what you have done, and still haven't had a
fraction of the problems you have.

BTW, did you figure out proDOS yet? I'll give you a clue. it preceded DOS
3.2.
--
Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
BSOD
2005-05-10 17:43:06 UTC
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Post by Rick
Post by John Bailo
Post by Doctor Johnson
That sums up bailo. Everyone on earth can make it work, and he can't.
Can you make Amarok work with a streaming media site using Suse 9.2?
Screenshots please...
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/stuff/snapshot1.png>
I'm running Novell desktop, which I think is based upon Suse 9.2.
Amorak streams very well for me. No problem. I'm wondering
if Bailo is just making up these problems, or if he is
really that dumb.
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For all versions of Windows. Press alt-ctrl-delete to
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memory.
Malke
2005-05-10 18:02:49 UTC
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Post by BSOD
Post by Rick
Post by John Bailo
Post by Doctor Johnson
That sums up bailo. Everyone on earth can make it work, and he can't.
Can you make Amarok work with a streaming media site using Suse 9.2?
Screenshots please...
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I'm running Novell desktop, which I think is based upon Suse 9.2.
Amorak streams very well for me. No problem. I'm wondering
if Bailo is just making up these problems, or if he is
really that dumb.
And then he troll-posts in Microsoft Windows groups saying how sucky
Windows is and what a great Linux user he is. I'm not making a comment
on Windows here, but the second part of my sentence... heh heh.

Malke
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"I have a cunning plan..."
John Bailo
2005-05-10 18:58:42 UTC
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Post by Malke
And then he troll-posts in Microsoft Windows groups saying how sucky
Windows is
Um. No. I don't.


and what a great Linux user he is. I'm not making a comment
Post by Malke
on Windows here, but the second part of my sentence... heh heh.
What?

Stay off the drugs, boy.
Jim Merchant
2005-05-11 06:40:23 UTC
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Post by John Bailo
Post by Malke
And then he troll-posts in Microsoft Windows groups saying how sucky
Windows is
Um. No. I don't.
Liar Liar, Pants on Fire!

http://tinyurl.com/9opnn

Crossposted to microsoft.public.dotnet.general

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