Discussion:
Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously?
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RayLopez99
2011-06-10 22:07:13 UTC
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Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this thread,
from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work
(a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS
that supports the Office Suite). This one person was a contract
manager who insisted on using Linux. He was valuable enough to his
organization that they let him get away with this stunt, and he ended
up converting all Linux work into Office format using some emulator
like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux somehow can export to .docx
format, though I don't see how.

One person in all these years. Just one.

Case closed.

RL
flatfish+++
2011-06-10 22:24:35 UTC
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Post by RayLopez99
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this thread,
from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work
(a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS
that supports the Office Suite). This one person was a contract
manager who insisted on using Linux. He was valuable enough to his
organization that they let him get away with this stunt, and he ended
up converting all Linux work into Office format using some emulator
like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux somehow can export to .docx
format, though I don't see how.
One person in all these years. Just one.
Case closed.
RL
Most of the so called Linux advocates in COLA use Windows at work.

They only use Linux at home and that seems to be mostly for switching
distributions by the week.
--
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/

Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508
bbgruff
2011-06-10 22:54:40 UTC
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Post by flatfish+++
Most of the so called Linux advocates in COLA use Windows at work.
Ah - "eternal-september.org", eh?

There's another one for you Ray - Ubuntu/Apache, I think.
You see, Linux turns up in the most unlikely places, doesn't it? - and
folks don't even realise that they are using it....which is just as it
should be :-)
Chris Ahlstrom
2011-06-11 10:56:12 UTC
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Post by bbgruff
Post by flatfish+++
Most of the so called Linux advocates in COLA use Windows at work.
I certainly do. And yet I spend most of my time in Linux, writing and
tweaking code and documentation. In an otherwise all-Windows environment.

My Windows VM are very handy, and are the only way one should run
Windows, based on my experience with it.
Post by bbgruff
Ah - "eternal-september.org", eh?
There's another one for you Ray - Ubuntu/Apache, I think.
You see, Linux turns up in the most unlikely places, doesn't it? - and
folks don't even realise that they are using it....which is just as it
should be :-)
--
The six great gifts of an Irish girl are beauty, soft voice, sweet speech,
wisdom, needlework, and chastity.
-- Theodore Roosevelt, 1907
bbgruff
2011-06-10 22:27:33 UTC
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Post by RayLopez99
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this thread,
from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work
(a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS
that supports the Office Suite). This one person was a contract
manager who insisted on using Linux. He was valuable enough to his
organization that they let him get away with this stunt, and he ended
up converting all Linux work into Office format using some emulator
like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux somehow can export to .docx
format, though I don't see how.
One person in all these years. Just one.
Case closed.
Hi Ray - and nice to hear from you again, particularly with your favourite
topic:-)

I owe you an apology. I once called you stupid. Since then, I've been
reading posts here by flatfish, DFS, hadron, and one or two others, and
concluded that stupid you may be, but not so stupid as they!

Going back to your question though, a thought strikes me, and perhaps you
can help.....

To reach me:-

- your post was sent via Google (Linux)

- it went to my Usenet hosting company - who run Linux

- it came from there via my ISP - who use Linux

- through my router - which uses Linux

- and hence to my computer, which is running Linux.

My reply (from my Linux machine) will go through my router to.... you catch
my drift?

I wonder if between us we have a full set?

1. What OS is *your* ISP using?

2. Do you have a router? If so, what does *it* use?

3. Have you manged to get Linux to work yet, or are you still too bloody
thick, you cretin???
JeffM
2011-06-11 00:38:00 UTC
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Post by bbgruff
- your post was sent via Google (Linux)
Over 1 million servers--not one of them running Windoze.
Post by bbgruff
- it went to my Usenet hosting company - who run Linux
- it came from there via my ISP - who use Linux
- through my router - which uses Linux
- and hence to my computer, which is running Linux[...]
Want to know about M$'s importance to the 'Net?
Just look at any URL. See any backslashes?

M$ got to the game late and has only made a botch of it
every time they've stuck their clumsy fingers into it.
RayLopez99
2011-06-11 08:48:45 UTC
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Post by bbgruff
Hi Ray - and nice to hear from you again, particularly with your favourite
topic:-)
I owe you an apology.  I once called you stupid.  Since then, I've been
reading posts here by flatfish, DFS, hadron, and one or two others, and
concluded that stupid you may be, but not so stupid as they!
Yet you insult me below. So you are insincere.
Post by bbgruff
Going back to your question though, a thought strikes me, and perhaps you
can help.....
- and hence to my computer, which is running Linux.
My reply (from my Linux machine) will go through my router to.... you catch
my drift?
Yes. It's true that Linux servers have 69% or so market share, and
Windows servers have around 20% or less (numbers have fallen the last
few years) according to an online survey I saw. But that does not
mean Serious Work is done by Linux. See my OP for the definition of
SW.
Post by bbgruff
3. Have you manged to get Linux to work yet, or are you still too bloody
thick, you cretin???
Loaded question. And yes I gave up on Linux.

RL
The Natural Philosopher
2011-06-10 22:36:08 UTC
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Post by RayLopez99
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work?
I am. fuck off.
flatfish+++
2011-06-10 22:36:24 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by RayLopez99
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work?
I am. fuck off.
That's obvious...........
--
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/

Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508
RayLopez99
2011-06-11 08:37:55 UTC
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Post by flatfish+++
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question:  who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work?
I  am. fuck off.
That's obvious...........
LOL! That's the truest thing NP has ever said, that S/He/IT is a fuck
off.

RL
The Natural Philosopher
2011-06-11 11:25:10 UTC
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Post by RayLopez99
Post by flatfish+++
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by RayLopez99
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work?
I am. fuck off.
That's obvious...........
LOL! That's the truest thing NP has ever said, that S/He/IT is a fuck
off.
From the man who doesn't even know what a full stop means.
Post by RayLopez99
RL
Chris
2011-06-10 23:59:52 UTC
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only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work (a
defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS that
supports the Office Suite).
I am a first time viewer and the sentence doesn't make sense to me.

You are not talking about "an OS". You are asking for people using linux
for work. So it's pretty clear which OS you are talking about.

Then you are referring to "the Office Suite". What? Is Microsoft Office
"the Office Suite"?
Can you only seriously do serious work with an Office Suite? As opposed
to programming in an IDE, I mean?
Snit
2011-06-11 01:26:42 UTC
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Post by Chris
only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work (a
defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS that
supports the Office Suite).
I am a first time viewer and the sentence doesn't make sense to me.
You are not talking about "an OS". You are asking for people using linux
for work. So it's pretty clear which OS you are talking about.
Then you are referring to "the Office Suite". What? Is Microsoft Office
"the Office Suite"?
Can you only seriously do serious work with an Office Suite? As opposed
to programming in an IDE, I mean?
Well, I do "serious" work in Office programs... but also a lot of other
programs: screencasting tools, web browsers, email clients, calendars, web
development tools, image editing tools, etc.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
RayLopez99
2011-06-11 08:41:23 UTC
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Post by Chris
only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work (a
defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS that
supports the Office Suite).
I am a first time viewer and the sentence doesn't make sense to me.
You are not talking about "an OS". You are asking for people using linux
for work. So it's pretty clear which OS you are talking about.
OK. Glad then it's clear to you. So what does not make sense?
Post by Chris
Then you are referring to "the Office Suite". What? Is Microsoft Office
"the Office Suite"?
Can you only seriously do serious work with an Office Suite? As opposed
to programming in an IDE, I mean?
Yes and yes. You're a fast lerner. By Serious Work I define that set
of apps that at least 90% of the computing public uses. That would be
Microsoft Office to send files such as Word, Powerpoint, Excel and the
like. I am not talking about programming in an IDE (I myself code in
Visual Studio for example). Nor am I referring to important work done
under Apache or by some supercomputer running Linux.

Thanks for your attention.

RL
The Natural Philosopher
2011-06-11 11:26:44 UTC
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Post by RayLopez99
Yes and yes. You're a fast lerner.
And you, obviously, never 'lernt' English.
Ye Gods.
Marti Van Lin
2011-06-11 14:23:40 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Yes and yes. You're a fast lerner.
And you, obviously, never 'lernt' English.
Ye Gods.
Oh well, but the self proclaimed "expert on everything" "Hadron" will
"School" him :-)
--
|_|0|_| Marti T. van Lin, alias ML2MST
|_|_|0| Registered GNU/Linux user 513040
|0|0|0| http://www.soundclick.com/martivanlin
JEDIDIAH
2011-06-11 23:49:50 UTC
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[deletia]
Post by RayLopez99
Yes and yes. You're a fast lerner. By Serious Work I define that set
of apps that at least 90% of the computing public uses. That would be
That's a retarded definition.

This definition doesn't even capture a lot of the "killer apps" on Windows.
--
"Microsoft looks at new ideas, they don't evaluate whether
the idea will move the industry forward, they ask, |||
'how will it help us sell more copies of Windows?'" / | \

-- Bill Gates
Chris Ahlstrom
2011-06-11 10:58:10 UTC
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Post by Chris
only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work (a
defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS that
supports the Office Suite).
I am a first time viewer and the sentence doesn't make sense to me.
Just to let you know, this is an old trolling topic for this troll.

Boring.

And it was crossposted to a serious newsgroup, which I snipped.
--
Don't feed the bats tonight.
Clog_-_wog (®)
2011-06-11 15:25:12 UTC
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Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Chris
only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work (a
defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS that
supports the Office Suite).
I am a first time viewer and the sentence doesn't make sense to me.
Just to let you know, this is an old trolling topic for this troll.
Boring.
And it was crossposted to a serious newsgroup, which I snipped.
Your right, COLA is *not* a "serious newsgroup" in your opinion, thanks for
sharing!
Hadron
2011-06-11 16:21:33 UTC
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Post by Clog_-_wog (®)
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by Chris
only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work (a
defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS that
supports the Office Suite).
I am a first time viewer and the sentence doesn't make sense to me.
Just to let you know, this is an old trolling topic for this troll.
Boring.
And it was crossposted to a serious newsgroup, which I snipped.
Your right, COLA is *not* a "serious newsgroup" in your opinion, thanks for
sharing!
Funny how the creepy little sycophant doesn't tell HPT or genius "7" off
for cross posting.
RayLopez99
2011-06-11 16:29:56 UTC
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Post by Hadron
Funny how the creepy little sycophant doesn't tell HPT or genius "7" off
for cross posting.
Right you are. And nothing wrong with cross-posting either.

You'll note nobody has answered (nor can answer) my OP--you cannot do
Serious Work on Linux, by definition. And that's why MSFT is still
the 800# gorilla. Playing with Azure now, and when Azure is perfected
in 3 to 10 years, Office will live in the cloud, the way Google Docs
wishes it was today.

RL
JEDIDIAH
2011-06-11 23:50:54 UTC
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Post by RayLopez99
Post by Hadron
Funny how the creepy little sycophant doesn't tell HPT or genius "7" off
for cross posting.
Right you are. And nothing wrong with cross-posting either.
You'll note nobody has answered (nor can answer) my OP--you cannot do
People have answered your stupid question and it's retarded counter
responses ad naseum.

[deletia]
--
"Microsoft looks at new ideas, they don't evaluate whether
the idea will move the industry forward, they ask, |||
'how will it help us sell more copies of Windows?'" / | \

-- Bill Gates
RonB
2011-06-12 05:48:19 UTC
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Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by RayLopez99
Post by Hadron
Funny how the creepy little sycophant doesn't tell HPT or genius "7"
off for cross posting.
Right you are. And nothing wrong with cross-posting either.
You'll note nobody has answered (nor can answer) my OP--you cannot do
People have answered your stupid question and it's retarded counter
responses ad naseum.
[deletia]
He's doing the only "serious" work you can do on Windows... trolling. And
that only works in fits in starts when he doesn't have a virus.
--
RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.6 or VectorLinux Deluxe 6.0
or Linux Mint 10
William Poaster
2011-06-12 09:43:11 UTC
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Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by RayLopez99
Post by Hadron
Funny how the creepy little sycophant doesn't tell HPT or genius "7" off
for cross posting.
Right you are. And nothing wrong with cross-posting either.
You'll note nobody has answered (nor can answer) my OP--you cannot do
People have answered your stupid question and it's retarded counter
responses ad naseum.
Funny how the Hadron M$ troll doesn't tell Flatfish+++ off for
crossposting, but blithely follows his trolling buddy like a faithful dog
that he is.
Post by JEDIDIAH
[deletia]
--
Windows Breakthrough: It finally booted on the first try.
"Microsoft has vast resources, literally billions of dollars in cash, or liquid assets reserves.
Microsoft is an incredibly successful empire built on the premise of market dominance with low-quality goods."
-- Former White House adviser Richard A. Clarke --
Chris Ahlstrom
2011-06-12 13:54:17 UTC
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Post by William Poaster
Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by RayLopez99
Post by Hadron
Funny how the creepy little sycophant doesn't tell HPT or genius "7" off
for cross posting.
Right you are. And nothing wrong with cross-posting either.
You'll note nobody has answered (nor can answer) my OP--you cannot do
People have answered your stupid question and it's retarded counter
responses ad naseum.
Funny how the Hadron M$ troll doesn't tell Flatfish+++ off for
crossposting, but blithely follows his trolling buddy like a faithful dog
that he is.
Oh, thanks, WP. I thought that "creepy little sycophant" was referring to
Flounder or Slimer, as I am not "creepy", "little", or a "sycophant".
Apparently "Hadron" thinks he never follows up his "friends" posts with
me-toos, high-fives, rope-a-dope claims, insult piling-on, or other
light-hearted support mechanisms.
--
Abstainer: A weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a
pleasure. A total abstainer is one who abstains from everything but
abstention, and especially from inactivity in the affairs of others.
-- Ambrose Bierce
DFS
2011-06-13 16:08:47 UTC
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Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by William Poaster
Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by RayLopez99
Post by Hadron
Funny how the creepy little sycophant doesn't tell HPT or genius "7" off
for cross posting.
Right you are. And nothing wrong with cross-posting either.
You'll note nobody has answered (nor can answer) my OP--you cannot do
People have answered your stupid question and it's retarded counter
responses ad naseum.
Funny how the Hadron M$ troll doesn't tell Flatfish+++ off for
crossposting, but blithely follows his trolling buddy like a faithful dog
that he is.
Oh, thanks, WP. I thought that "creepy little sycophant" was referring to
Flounder or Slimer, as I am not "creepy", "little", or a "sycophant".
There is no one on cola more creepy or sycophantish than yourself.

Your creepiness was on full display when you blabbed that your wife is
"probably physically stronger than any of these trolls".

ha!

That is disgusting.
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Apparently "Hadron" thinks he never follows up his "friends" posts with
me-toos, high-fives, rope-a-dope claims, insult piling-on, or other
light-hearted support mechanisms.
It's not that - we all need support and camaraderie.


* it's your pretentious usage of two-dollar words: lahar, uxoriousness,
coprolalic, confabulate, pulings, pyroclastic, litotes, dotage, kvell,
poltroon, purblind


* it's your affected, often effeminate language:

"Now let's talk about the mobile space, shall we?"
"giggle... tee hee... grin"
"li'l ol' Fluxbox"
"distasteful"
"Who can delineate the bounds of the world that this troll
has constructed inside his head?"




* it's your sheer weenie idiocy: "Those tools are calling Microsoft
APIs to enumerate the DLLs. What if the API simply ignores certain DLLs
as being "always present""?



* it's your absolutely desperate ploy to be seen as a Linux user, even
though all earnings and code you've written for 15 years is for Windows:

"I not only use Linux, exclusively, at home, I use it *heavily*
at work in my *Windows* job. What do I use Windows for at work?
Using MS Outlook through Citrix Metaframe. Compiling and debugging the
code that I edited and got working in Linux, under Windows. Accessing
the occasional Office 2010 document that OpenOffice doesn't handle well.

And that is about it."

Whoops... what else does "about it" cover?



* it's your laughing at 7's baby-talk ("'Appil' never gets old for me")


* it's your 3rd party replies to people you find repulsive and insist
you have killfiled.


* it's your constant subject line changing, or wholesale changing of
words like switching "advocate" to troll.


* 5 years of daily chrisv cursing and ranting - way way out of
proportion to the topic - and you just recently had the cojones to
meekly challenge the vile shithead.


* it's your absolutely pathetic defense of Rex Ballard and 7. "Nobody
cares what 7 supposedly did."



ugh.

You're just creepy, Creepy.
flatfish+++
2011-06-13 16:40:50 UTC
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Post by DFS
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Post by William Poaster
Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by RayLopez99
Post by Hadron
Funny how the creepy little sycophant doesn't tell HPT or genius "7" off
for cross posting.
Right you are. And nothing wrong with cross-posting either.
You'll note nobody has answered (nor can answer) my OP--you cannot do
People have answered your stupid question and it's retarded counter
responses ad naseum.
Funny how the Hadron M$ troll doesn't tell Flatfish+++ off for
crossposting, but blithely follows his trolling buddy like a faithful dog
that he is.
Oh, thanks, WP. I thought that "creepy little sycophant" was referring to
Flounder or Slimer, as I am not "creepy", "little", or a "sycophant".
There is no one on cola more creepy or sycophantish than yourself.
Your creepiness was on full display when you blabbed that your wife is
"probably physically stronger than any of these trolls".
ha!
That is disgusting.
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Apparently "Hadron" thinks he never follows up his "friends" posts with
me-toos, high-fives, rope-a-dope claims, insult piling-on, or other
light-hearted support mechanisms.
It's not that - we all need support and camaraderie.
* it's your pretentious usage of two-dollar words: lahar, uxoriousness,
coprolalic, confabulate, pulings, pyroclastic, litotes, dotage, kvell,
poltroon, purblind
"Now let's talk about the mobile space, shall we?"
"giggle... tee hee... grin"
"li'l ol' Fluxbox"
"distasteful"
"Who can delineate the bounds of the world that this troll
has constructed inside his head?"
* it's your sheer weenie idiocy: "Those tools are calling Microsoft
APIs to enumerate the DLLs. What if the API simply ignores certain DLLs
as being "always present""?
* it's your absolutely desperate ploy to be seen as a Linux user, even
"I not only use Linux, exclusively, at home, I use it *heavily*
at work in my *Windows* job. What do I use Windows for at work?
Using MS Outlook through Citrix Metaframe. Compiling and debugging the
code that I edited and got working in Linux, under Windows. Accessing
the occasional Office 2010 document that OpenOffice doesn't handle well.
And that is about it."
Whoops... what else does "about it" cover?
* it's your laughing at 7's baby-talk ("'Appil' never gets old for me")
* it's your 3rd party replies to people you find repulsive and insist
you have killfiled.
* it's your constant subject line changing, or wholesale changing of
words like switching "advocate" to troll.
* 5 years of daily chrisv cursing and ranting - way way out of
proportion to the topic - and you just recently had the cojones to
meekly challenge the vile shithead.
* it's your absolutely pathetic defense of Rex Ballard and 7. "Nobody
cares what 7 supposedly did."
ugh.
You're just creepy, Creepy.
Chris Ahlstrom sure doesn't seem to act like a man.
Maybe he is really a she?
--
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/

Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508
David Brown
2011-06-11 11:18:32 UTC
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Post by Chris
only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work (a
defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS that
supports the Office Suite).
I am a first time viewer and the sentence doesn't make sense to me.
You are not talking about "an OS". You are asking for people using linux
for work. So it's pretty clear which OS you are talking about.
Then you are referring to "the Office Suite". What? Is Microsoft Office
"the Office Suite"?
Can you only seriously do serious work with an Office Suite? As opposed
to programming in an IDE, I mean?
Ray defines "SERIOUS WORK" as using MS Office - neither more, nor less.
You might design rockets for a living - but unless the designs are
drawings inside a MS Word document (or, at a stretch, in Visio) then you
are not doing "SERIOUS WORK".
RayLopez99
2011-06-11 16:09:51 UTC
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Post by David Brown
Post by Chris
only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work (a
defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS that
supports the Office Suite).
I am a first time viewer and the sentence doesn't make sense to me.
You are not talking about "an OS". You are asking for people using linux
for work. So it's pretty clear which OS you are talking about.
Then you are referring to "the Office Suite". What? Is Microsoft Office
"the Office Suite"?
Can you only seriously do serious work with an Office Suite? As opposed
to programming in an IDE, I mean?
Ray defines "SERIOUS WORK" as using MS Office - neither more, nor less.
  You might design rockets for a living - but unless the designs are
drawings inside a MS Word document (or, at a stretch, in Visio) then you
are not doing "SERIOUS WORK".
Thanks David Brown. When you're dealing with the sub-80 IQ crowd,
such as the Linux advocate paranoids, it's nice to repeat yourself and
dumb down the message.

Indeed, that is how I --and 90%+ of the computing world--define
Serious Work.

RL
David Brown
2011-06-11 17:59:13 UTC
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Post by RayLopez99
Post by David Brown
Post by Chris
only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work (a
defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS that
supports the Office Suite).
I am a first time viewer and the sentence doesn't make sense to me.
You are not talking about "an OS". You are asking for people using linux
for work. So it's pretty clear which OS you are talking about.
Then you are referring to "the Office Suite". What? Is Microsoft Office
"the Office Suite"?
Can you only seriously do serious work with an Office Suite? As opposed
to programming in an IDE, I mean?
Ray defines "SERIOUS WORK" as using MS Office - neither more, nor less.
You might design rockets for a living - but unless the designs are
drawings inside a MS Word document (or, at a stretch, in Visio) then you
are not doing "SERIOUS WORK".
Thanks David Brown. When you're dealing with the sub-80 IQ crowd,
such as the Linux advocate paranoids, it's nice to repeat yourself and
dumb down the message.
Actually, I was trying to explain the sub-80 IQ thinking of the original
post in a way that normal people could understand.
Post by RayLopez99
Indeed, that is how I --and 90%+ of the computing world--define
Serious Work.
I believe you are almost unique in your ideas about "SERIOUS WORK".

No one will argue with the fact that MS Office in various versions is
the office suite most used in professional work. But no one other that
you would think that this means that all professional work is done using
MS Office.

Personally, I do some of my real, paid, serious work using Windows - and
some of it using Linux. I couldn't do the job without both systems. I
do absolutely /none/ of my work using MS Office.
The Natural Philosopher
2011-06-11 18:51:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Brown
Post by RayLopez99
Post by David Brown
Post by Chris
only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work (a
defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS that
supports the Office Suite).
I am a first time viewer and the sentence doesn't make sense to me.
You are not talking about "an OS". You are asking for people using linux
for work. So it's pretty clear which OS you are talking about.
Then you are referring to "the Office Suite". What? Is Microsoft Office
"the Office Suite"?
Can you only seriously do serious work with an Office Suite? As opposed
to programming in an IDE, I mean?
Ray defines "SERIOUS WORK" as using MS Office - neither more, nor less.
You might design rockets for a living - but unless the designs are
drawings inside a MS Word document (or, at a stretch, in Visio) then you
are not doing "SERIOUS WORK".
Thanks David Brown. When you're dealing with the sub-80 IQ crowd,
such as the Linux advocate paranoids, it's nice to repeat yourself and
dumb down the message.
Actually, I was trying to explain the sub-80 IQ thinking of the original
post in a way that normal people could understand.
Post by RayLopez99
Indeed, that is how I --and 90%+ of the computing world--define
Serious Work.
I believe you are almost unique in your ideas about "SERIOUS WORK".
No one will argue with the fact that MS Office in various versions is
the office suite most used in professional work. But no one other that
you would think that this means that all professional work is done using
MS Office.
Personally, I do some of my real, paid, serious work using Windows - and
some of it using Linux. I couldn't do the job without both systems. I
do absolutely /none/ of my work using MS Office.
Indeed. When I want professional output typesetting I pass it to my
wife, who lays it out in Quark.

This is good, because professional written material is mostly prepared
on quark or adobe programs, mostly running on Macintoshes.

MS words is complete rubbish really. It's just a de facto standard.

But Ray is a Bandar log man. Popularity = quality, de facto = best
choice etc.

Which is why Ray can confidently predict that the car that will win the
Canadian Grand Prix tomorrow will be a VW Beetle. Since by popularity
it's obviously the best car in the world.
RayLopez99
2011-06-11 21:27:21 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
MS words is complete rubbish really. It's just a de facto standard.
Right. Just as the USA is the de facto standard for the economy Canada
aspires to be.

And look at what your man Chris the rabid Linux fan is saying about
Office below, from another thread.

RL
Post by The Natural Philosopher
By the way, I not only use Linux, exclusively, at home, I use it *heavily*
at work in my *Windows* job. What do I use Windows for at work?
Using MS Outlook through Citrix Metaframe. Compiling and debugging the code
that I edited and got working in Linux, under Windows. Accessing the
occasional Office 2010 document that OpenOffice doesn't handle well.
And that is about it.
THAT'S ABOUT IT! '
Unbelievable. Piss Angstrom just conceded my argument about Linux
not
doing Serious Work. And he confirmed that OpenOffice does not handle
"an occasional" (and once is too much) Office 2010 document.
I rest my case. Linux is not for Serious Work. As confirmed by a
rabid Linux fan.
RL
JeffM
2011-06-11 19:33:58 UTC
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Post by David Brown
No one will argue with the fact that MS Office in various versions
is the office suite most used in professional work.
You have forgotten to mention all the times M$'s crap fails
when trying to move a document from one version of M$Office
to a different version of M$Office.

That's when you put (FOSS) OpenOffice/LibreOffice to work
to save M$'s sorry butt and set things right
(at which point only the clueless switch back to M$'s crap).

...and seriously,
who transports data to other users in *editable* formats?
OOo/LO will happily make a PDF for you.

...and if you're doing *collaborative editing* of documents,
why wouldn't you use Google Docs?
Chris Ahlstrom
2011-06-11 19:33:50 UTC
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CROSSPOST snipped
Post by JeffM
Post by David Brown
No one will argue with the fact that MS Office in various versions
is the office suite most used in professional work.
You have forgotten to mention all the times M$'s crap fails
when trying to move a document from one version of M$Office
to a different version of M$Office.
That's when you put (FOSS) OpenOffice/LibreOffice to work
to save M$'s sorry butt and set things right
(at which point only the clueless switch back to M$'s crap).
...and seriously,
who transports data to other users in *editable* formats?
OOo/LO will happily make a PDF for you.
...and if you're doing *collaborative editing* of documents,
why wouldn't you use Google Docs?
Some people know only the products of The Vole.
--
If God wanted us to have a President, He would have sent us a candidate.
-- Jerry Dreshfield
flatfish+++
2011-06-11 22:14:40 UTC
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Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Some people know only the products of The Vole.
Your master Roy Schestowitz taught you well Liarmutt!
You write just like him.
--
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/

Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508
Hadron
2011-06-11 23:01:48 UTC
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Post by flatfish+++
Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Some people know only the products of The Vole.
Your master Roy Schestowitz taught you well Liarmutt!
You write just like him.
It's creepy the way he tries to copy his master Roy.
David Brown
2011-06-12 09:33:51 UTC
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Post by JeffM
Post by David Brown
No one will argue with the fact that MS Office in various versions
is the office suite most used in professional work.
You have forgotten to mention all the times M$'s crap fails
when trying to move a document from one version of M$Office
to a different version of M$Office.
That's when you put (FOSS) OpenOffice/LibreOffice to work
to save M$'s sorry butt and set things right
(at which point only the clueless switch back to M$'s crap).
You don't need to tell /me/ about this - I have used OO often enough to
aid conversion between two versions of MS Office. I use OO (and now
LibreOffice) because it is /better/ than MS Office - it is the standard
office suite at my work. Almost all desktops there are windows (I am
the only one using Linux on the desktop - servers and some production
machines are Linux). But almost all use OO, rather than MS Office,
because it is a better choice for serious work.

This doesn't change the fact that the majority of professional office
use is MS Office.
Post by JeffM
...and seriously,
who transports data to other users in *editable* formats?
OOo/LO will happily make a PDF for you.
The high quality pdf files is one of OO's advantages.

For the most part, that's the format we use to send out documents.
Post by JeffM
...and if you're doing *collaborative editing* of documents,
why wouldn't you use Google Docs?
Actually, here I disagree with you - a lot of people don't like the idea
of sharing their data on third-party sites like google doc's.
Hans-Peter Diettrich
2011-06-12 13:17:17 UTC
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Post by David Brown
This doesn't change the fact that the majority of professional office
use is MS Office.
I'd s/professional/business/

*Business* people are better off with the default tools, coming with
their preferred platform - which again is coming with their preferred
machines, in most cases :-(

I've been told that business people also insist in upgrading to the next
MSOffice version as soon as it's out, for some obscure reason :-(

[Perhaps RayLopez99 is one of those conspirative guys, who want to keep
the Global Players easily controllable by their continued use of
vulnerable closed source "business standard" (Microsoft) software? ;-]

[Where "Players" again leaves room for further contemplation - who's the
master of that game, who establishes the rules? ;-]


*Professional* writers etc. instead are free in the choice of their
tools, provided only that the final result can be obtained in the
required distribution format(s).

SCNR

DoDi
Hadron
2011-06-12 13:13:49 UTC
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Post by Hans-Peter Diettrich
This doesn't change the fact that the majority of professional office use is
MS Office.
I'd s/professional/business/
*Business* people are better off with the default tools, coming with their
preferred platform - which again is coming with their preferred machines, in
most cases :-(
Are you purposely trying to appear clueless?

"Business" people , or 99% of them, use Windows and MSO. OK maybe no
99%. But don't play silly word games.

Your nonsensical last paragraph makes you seem rather stupid - so I can
only assume you are trolling.

Their preferred platform is Windows. Their preferred tools are MSO. They
purchase MSO.

You might not like it or you might pretend OO is a plug in replacement
but it isn't.
RayLopez99
2011-06-12 17:02:52 UTC
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Post by Hadron
Post by Hans-Peter Diettrich
This doesn't change the fact that the majority of professional office use is
MS Office.
I'd s/professional/business/
*Business* people are better off with the default tools, coming with their
preferred platform - which again is coming with their preferred machines, in
most cases :-(
Are you purposely trying to appear clueless?
"Business" people , or 99% of them, use Windows and MSO. OK maybe no
99%. But don't play silly word games.
Your nonsensical last paragraph makes you seem rather stupid - so I can
only assume you are trolling.
Their preferred platform is Windows. Their preferred tools are MSO. They
purchase MSO.
You might not like it or you might pretend OO is a plug in replacement
but it isn't.
Right you are Hadron. It's simply a reflection of business reality.
I've told these bozos time and again that the race does not go to the
swiftest or tech best: Google QWERTY vs DVORAK. We still use QWERTY
keyboards though they were designed to be inefficient on purpose.
Likewise the x86 architecture is here to stay for a long time (maybe
even forever if they virtualize it, which they probably will). And
what goes best with the x86? Windows. A historical accident.

RL
David Brown
2011-06-12 18:17:39 UTC
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Post by RayLopez99
Right you are Hadron. It's simply a reflection of business reality.
I've told these bozos time and again that the race does not go to the
swiftest or tech best: Google QWERTY vs DVORAK. We still use QWERTY
keyboards though they were designed to be inefficient on purpose.
So by analogy, people use Windows and MS Office even though it is
inefficient and other systems and software are better - the only reason
anyone uses Windows or MS Office is because they've used it before.

Hoist by your own petard!
RayLopez99
2011-06-13 07:22:01 UTC
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Post by David Brown
Right you are Hadron.  It's simply a reflection of business reality.
I've told these bozos time and again that the race does not go to the
swiftest or tech best:  Google QWERTY vs DVORAK.  We still use QWERTY
keyboards though they were designed to be inefficient on purpose.
So by analogy, people use Windows and MS Office even though it is
inefficient and other systems and software are better - the only reason
anyone uses Windows or MS Office is because they've used it before.
Hoist by your own petard!
What petard, retard? There's nothing inconsistent with your "analogy"
and the way business works. Reread my post, you seem to have not
understood it, despite giving an apt analogy.

RL
Kelsey Bjarnason
2011-06-12 22:17:56 UTC
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Post by Chris
only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work (a defined
term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS that supports
the Office Suite).
I am a first time viewer and the sentence doesn't make sense to me.
You are not talking about "an OS". You are asking for people using linux
for work. So it's pretty clear which OS you are talking about.
Then you are referring to "the Office Suite". What? Is Microsoft Office
"the Office Suite"?
Can you only seriously do serious work with an Office Suite? As opposed
to programming in an IDE, I mean?
According to him, yes. He's been spewing the same nonsense for years
now. Never mind, oh, say, DB work or web hosting or network
administration or software engineering or CAD or rendering or making
movies or any of a million other serious types of work there are to be
done, no, only using office apps, and specifically Microsoft Office apps
- can be qualified as "serious work".

Which is about like saying the only "serious music" is made on solid
platinum penny whistles.
Lyrik
2011-06-11 00:28:58 UTC
Permalink
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question:  who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work?  Since the first time I've posted this thread,
from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work
(a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS
that supports the Office Suite).  This one person was a contract
manager who insisted on using Linux.  He was valuable enough to his
organization that they let him get away with this stunt, and he ended
up converting all Linux work into Office format using some emulator
like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux somehow can export to .docx
format, though I don't see how.
One person in all these years.  Just one.
Case closed.
++++++++++++++++

The Police.
National data security agencies.
RayLopez99
2011-06-11 08:42:06 UTC
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Post by Lyrik
++++++++++++++++
The Police.
National data security agencies.
Nope. That's important work to be sure, but not Serious Work.

Try again.

RL
Michael Black
2011-06-11 03:30:03 UTC
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Post by RayLopez99
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this thread,
from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work
(a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS
that supports the Office Suite). This one person was a contract
manager who insisted on using Linux. He was valuable enough to his
organization that they let him get away with this stunt, and he ended
up converting all Linux work into Office format using some emulator
like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux somehow can export to .docx
format, though I don't see how.
One person in all these years. Just one.
Case closed.
What case?

All of my work is done on Linux, has been for a decade.

Of course none of it is "serious", as you define it, but then if I was
running Windows it wouldn't be serious either.

The difference is, I choose to use Linux, would rather use it than Windows
despite the overkill.

Everything I do has to be done on Linux, I don't wishy-washy jump between
operating systems. That defines things better. It's not unlike the fact
that I don't drive a car. Since I don't, I make choices based on it,
rather than some illusion of "the car is better". Same with Linux.
Whether or not it's better than Windows is irrelevant, since I won't run
Windows. So nothing can nag at me about whether or not Linux is inferior.

Michael
Kelsey Bjarnason
2011-06-12 22:13:39 UTC
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[snips]
Post by Michael Black
Post by RayLopez99
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this thread,
from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work
(a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS
that supports the Office Suite). This one person was a contract
manager who insisted on using Linux. He was valuable enough to his
organization that they let him get away with this stunt, and he ended
up converting all Linux work into Office format using some emulator
like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux somehow can export to .docx
format, though I don't see how.
One person in all these years. Just one.
Case closed.
What case?
All of my work is done on Linux, has been for a decade.
Of course none of it is "serious", as you define it
"Serious work", as he defines it, is limited solely to the use of two or
three specific applications. He has no grasp of the difference between a
job and the tools used to do the job, nor of the fact that beyond the
scope of word processing and spreadsheeting exists a whole world of
computing tasks.
Post by Michael Black
Everything I do has to be done on Linux, I don't wishy-washy jump
between operating systems.
There's a whole two apps left which I need for $job, which are Windows
based. We're working on eliminating them.

Sad story:

The other net admin disappeared the other day. Wasn't sure where he got
to so I went looking. He was sitting in the accountant's office, poking
at the accountant's PC. Seems said PC was having "problems" - slow,
random lockups, that sort of thing. Symptomatically, it looked like it
might be a virus.

Oh, no, can't be that, he runs AV software. Still, never hurts to check,
so the other net admin digs up a couple of different AV apps and lets 'em
run a while. Not to completion; in 2 hours give or take, the fastest of
'em is about a third of the way done. In any case, the results?

One found 17 viruses, the other found 49. Both in less than a full run.

49 and possibly more viruses, on a machine *with* AV installed. Not too
surprising it wasn't a happy machine.

Here's the fun part, IMO: assuming one finished the scan, removed all the
viruses and got a "clean" report: exactly how much can you trust the
machine or the report?
An Old Friend
2011-06-13 01:59:30 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:13:39 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason chiseled
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
[snips]
Post by Michael Black
Post by RayLopez99
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this thread,
from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work
(a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS
that supports the Office Suite). This one person was a contract
manager who insisted on using Linux. He was valuable enough to his
organization that they let him get away with this stunt, and he ended
up converting all Linux work into Office format using some emulator
like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux somehow can export to .docx
format, though I don't see how.
One person in all these years. Just one.
Case closed.
What case?
All of my work is done on Linux, has been for a decade.
Of course none of it is "serious", as you define it
"Serious work", as he defines it, is limited solely to the use of two or
three specific applications.
It goes further than that. He believes that merely owning the programs
qualifies as "serious work."
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
He has no grasp of the difference between
a job and the tools used to do the job, nor of the fact that beyond the
scope of word processing and spreadsheeting exists a whole world of
computing tasks.
Post by Michael Black
Everything I do has to be done on Linux, I don't wishy-washy jump
between operating systems.
There's a whole two apps left which I need for $job, which are Windows
based. We're working on eliminating them.
The other net admin disappeared the other day. Wasn't sure where he got
to so I went looking. He was sitting in the accountant's office, poking
at the accountant's PC. Seems said PC was having "problems" - slow,
random lockups, that sort of thing. Symptomatically, it looked like it
might be a virus.
Oh, no, can't be that, he runs AV software. Still, never hurts to
check, so the other net admin digs up a couple of different AV apps and
lets 'em run a while. Not to completion; in 2 hours give or take, the
fastest of 'em is about a third of the way done. In any case, the
results?
One found 17 viruses, the other found 49. Both in less than a full run.
49 and possibly more viruses, on a machine *with* AV installed. Not too
surprising it wasn't a happy machine.
Here's the fun part, IMO: assuming one finished the scan, removed all
the viruses and got a "clean" report: exactly how much can you trust the
machine or the report?
It also depends on what the AV product considers malware.

For example, if you go on a shopping site, purchase some items, and then
check a box to allow your purchases to be remembered so that the site can
recommend items based upon your shopping habits, that may get saved in a
cookie on your computer.

And even though you have checked the box and have explicitly allowed this
cookie to exist on your system, it may be seen as malware by the AV
program. But the AV program won't tell you this at the time you're
agreeing to have the cookie saved, which would be the best time for the
program to warn you about potential dangers of having that cookie saved on
your computer.
Norman Peelman
2011-06-13 02:10:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by An Old Friend
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:13:39 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason chiseled
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
[snips]
Post by Michael Black
Post by RayLopez99
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this thread,
from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work
(a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS
that supports the Office Suite). This one person was a contract
manager who insisted on using Linux. He was valuable enough to his
organization that they let him get away with this stunt, and he ended
up converting all Linux work into Office format using some emulator
like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux somehow can export to .docx
format, though I don't see how.
One person in all these years. Just one.
Case closed.
What case?
All of my work is done on Linux, has been for a decade.
Of course none of it is "serious", as you define it
"Serious work", as he defines it, is limited solely to the use of two or
three specific applications.
It goes further than that. He believes that merely owning the programs
qualifies as "serious work."
So then, since no one (but M$) owns the programs then no one is doing
serious work.
Post by An Old Friend
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
He has no grasp of the difference between
a job and the tools used to do the job, nor of the fact that beyond the
scope of word processing and spreadsheeting exists a whole world of
computing tasks.
Post by Michael Black
Everything I do has to be done on Linux, I don't wishy-washy jump
between operating systems.
There's a whole two apps left which I need for $job, which are Windows
based. We're working on eliminating them.
--
Norman
Registered Linux user #461062
AMD64X2 6400+ Ubuntu 8.04 64bit
Kelsey Bjarnason
2011-06-13 05:02:14 UTC
Permalink
[snips]
Post by An Old Friend
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
"Serious work", as he defines it, is limited solely to the use of two
or three specific applications.
It goes further than that. He believes that merely owning the programs
qualifies as "serious work."
Not the sharpest spoon in the drawer, is he?
Post by An Old Friend
It also depends on what the AV product considers malware.
Nope, not "malware" - viruses. We're well aware of the difference. I
didn't count the umpteen other things reported, such as tracking cookies
and the like. Just the reported viruses. :)
DFS
2011-06-13 05:20:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
There's a whole two apps left which I need for $job, which are Windows
based. We're working on eliminating them.
Ask for Homer's help.
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
The other net admin disappeared the other day. Wasn't sure where he got
to so I went looking. He was sitting in the accountant's office, poking
at the accountant's PC. Seems said PC was having "problems" - slow,
random lockups, that sort of thing. Symptomatically, it looked like it
might be a virus.
Oh, no, can't be that, he runs AV software. Still, never hurts to check,
so the other net admin digs up a couple of different AV apps and lets 'em
run a while. Not to completion; in 2 hours give or take, the fastest of
'em is about a third of the way done. In any case, the results?
One found 17 viruses, the other found 49. Both in less than a full run.
49 and possibly more viruses, on a machine *with* AV installed. Not too
surprising it wasn't a happy machine.
And gosh darn it, wouldn't you know you forgot to get a shred of proof.
flatfish+++
2011-06-13 16:20:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by DFS
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
There's a whole two apps left which I need for $job, which are Windows
based. We're working on eliminating them.
Ask for Homer's help.
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
The other net admin disappeared the other day. Wasn't sure where he got
to so I went looking. He was sitting in the accountant's office, poking
at the accountant's PC. Seems said PC was having "problems" - slow,
random lockups, that sort of thing. Symptomatically, it looked like it
might be a virus.
Oh, no, can't be that, he runs AV software. Still, never hurts to check,
so the other net admin digs up a couple of different AV apps and lets 'em
run a while. Not to completion; in 2 hours give or take, the fastest of
'em is about a third of the way done. In any case, the results?
One found 17 viruses, the other found 49. Both in less than a full run.
49 and possibly more viruses, on a machine *with* AV installed. Not too
surprising it wasn't a happy machine.
And gosh darn it, wouldn't you know you forgot to get a shred of proof.
Another one of Kelsey's fairy tales.
Not to be confused with Rasker's fairy tales.
--
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/

Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508
RayLopez99
2011-06-13 07:24:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
[snips]
The other net admin disappeared the other day.  Wasn't sure where he got
to so I went looking.  He was sitting in the accountant's office, poking
at the accountant's PC.  Seems said PC was having "problems" - slow,
random lockups, that sort of thing.  Symptomatically, it looked like it
might be a virus.
Oh, no, can't be that, he runs AV software.  Still, never hurts to check,
so the other net admin digs up a couple of different AV apps and lets 'em
run a while.  Not to completion; in 2 hours give or take, the fastest of
'em is about a third of the way done.  In any case, the results?
One found 17 viruses, the other found 49.  Both in less than a full run.
49 and possibly more viruses, on a machine *with* AV installed.  Not too
surprising it wasn't a happy machine.
Here's the fun part, IMO: assuming one finished the scan, removed all the
viruses and got a "clean" report: exactly how much can you trust the
machine or the report?
Shit head, why don't you tell us *which* AV programs ran and which
supposedly failed to find viruses?

Otherwise your anecdote is complete bullshit.

Like your toy OS, Linux.

RL
1PW
2011-06-13 10:58:31 UTC
Permalink
About 92% of the top 500 supercomputers use Linux operating systems.

IMHO they do serious work.
Wolf K
2011-06-13 12:15:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by 1PW
About 92% of the top 500 supercomputers use Linux operating systems.
IMHO they do serious work.
Source?

Wolf K.
bbgruff
2011-06-13 12:55:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wolf K
Post by 1PW
About 92% of the top 500 supercomputers use Linux operating systems.
IMHO they do serious work.
Source?
Wolf K.
IPW was exaggerating - the actual figure is 91.80%
He did say "about" though, so shall we forgive him? :-)

http://www.top500.org/stats/list/36/osfam
RayLopez99
2011-06-13 16:22:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by bbgruff
IPW was exaggerating - the actual figure is 91.80%
He did say "about" though, so shall we forgive him? :-)
http://www.top500.org/stats/list/36/osfam
No. It's not Serious Work.

RL
FromTheRafters
2011-06-13 13:19:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by RayLopez99
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
[snips]
The other net admin disappeared the other day. Wasn't sure where he got
to so I went looking. He was sitting in the accountant's office, poking
at the accountant's PC. Seems said PC was having "problems" - slow,
random lockups, that sort of thing. Symptomatically, it looked like it
might be a virus.
Oh, no, can't be that, he runs AV software. Still, never hurts to check,
so the other net admin digs up a couple of different AV apps and lets 'em
run a while. Not to completion; in 2 hours give or take, the fastest of
'em is about a third of the way done. In any case, the results?
One found 17 viruses, the other found 49. Both in less than a full run.
49 and possibly more viruses, on a machine *with* AV installed. Not too
surprising it wasn't a happy machine.
Here's the fun part, IMO: assuming one finished the scan, removed all the
viruses and got a "clean" report: exactly how much can you trust the
machine or the report?
Shit head, why don't you tell us *which* AV programs ran and which
supposedly failed to find viruses?
:o)

*And*... what were the supposed *viruses* found (spyware cookies?)?

There is a very good chance that *none* of them were viruses or even
active trojans. Without any specifics, the post is meaningless.
Post by RayLopez99
Otherwise your anecdote is complete bullshit.
Like your toy OS, Linux.
My, you *do* like to troll the Linux groups don't you. :o)
Big Steel
2011-06-13 13:45:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by FromTheRafters
Post by RayLopez99
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
[snips]
The other net admin disappeared the other day. Wasn't sure where he got
to so I went looking. He was sitting in the accountant's office, poking
at the accountant's PC. Seems said PC was having "problems" - slow,
random lockups, that sort of thing. Symptomatically, it looked like it
might be a virus.
Oh, no, can't be that, he runs AV software. Still, never hurts to check,
so the other net admin digs up a couple of different AV apps and lets 'em
run a while. Not to completion; in 2 hours give or take, the fastest of
'em is about a third of the way done. In any case, the results?
One found 17 viruses, the other found 49. Both in less than a full run.
49 and possibly more viruses, on a machine *with* AV installed. Not too
surprising it wasn't a happy machine.
Here's the fun part, IMO: assuming one finished the scan, removed all the
viruses and got a "clean" report: exactly how much can you trust the
machine or the report?
Shit head, why don't you tell us *which* AV programs ran and which
supposedly failed to find viruses?
:o)
*And*... what were the supposed *viruses* found (spyware cookies?)?
There is a very good chance that *none* of them were viruses or even
active trojans. Without any specifics, the post is meaningless.
Post by RayLopez99
Otherwise your anecdote is complete bullshit.
Like your toy OS, Linux.
My, you *do* like to troll the Linux groups don't you. :o)
All he is doing is exposing chicken-shit COLA for the chicken-shit NG
that it is with chicken-shit advocates like Kelsey Benign in it.
Bjørn Steensrud
2011-06-13 15:33:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by FromTheRafters
Post by RayLopez99
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
[snips]
The other net admin disappeared the other day. Wasn't sure where he
got to so I went looking. He was sitting in the accountant's office,
poking at the accountant's PC. Seems said PC was having "problems" -
slow, random lockups, that sort of thing. Symptomatically, it looked
like it might be a virus.
Oh, no, can't be that, he runs AV software. Still, never hurts to
check, so the other net admin digs up a couple of different AV apps
and lets 'em run a while. Not to completion; in 2 hours give or take,
the fastest of 'em is about a third of the way done. In any case, the
results?
One found 17 viruses, the other found 49. Both in less than a full run.
49 and possibly more viruses, on a machine *with* AV installed. Not
too surprising it wasn't a happy machine.
Here's the fun part, IMO: assuming one finished the scan, removed all
the viruses and got a "clean" report: exactly how much can you trust
the machine or the report?
Shit head, why don't you tell us *which* AV programs ran and which
supposedly failed to find viruses?
:o)
*And*... what were the supposed *viruses* found (spyware cookies?)?
There is a very good chance that *none* of them were viruses or even
active trojans. Without any specifics, the post is meaningless.
Post by RayLopez99
Otherwise your anecdote is complete bullshit.
Like your toy OS, Linux.
My, you *do* like to troll the Linux groups don't you. :o)
He sure does. Of course, most have him either filtered in leafnode or
killfiled.
Just this once I will crosspost with what the mentally deficient troll is
not going to post to a.c.a-v:

The original poster said in a later post today:

"Nope, not "malware" - viruses. We're well aware of the difference. I
didn't count the umpteen other things reported, such as tracking cookies
and the like. Just the reported viruses. :)"

Followup set.
RayLopez99
2011-06-13 16:24:18 UTC
Permalink
On Jun 13, 6:33 pm, Bjørn Steensrud <bjornst
Post by Bjørn Steensrud
Post by FromTheRafters
Post by RayLopez99
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
[snips]
The other net admin disappeared the other day.  Wasn't sure where he
got to so I went looking.  He was sitting in the accountant's office,
poking at the accountant's PC.  Seems said PC was having "problems" -
slow, random lockups, that sort of thing.  Symptomatically, it looked
like it might be a virus.
Oh, no, can't be that, he runs AV software.  Still, never hurts to
check, so the other net admin digs up a couple of different AV apps
and lets 'em run a while.  Not to completion; in 2 hours give or take,
the fastest of 'em is about a third of the way done.  In any case, the
results?
One found 17 viruses, the other found 49.  Both in less than a full run.
49 and possibly more viruses, on a machine *with* AV installed.  Not
too surprising it wasn't a happy machine.
Here's the fun part, IMO: assuming one finished the scan, removed all
the viruses and got a "clean" report: exactly how much can you trust
the machine or the report?
Shit head, why don't you tell us *which* AV programs ran and which
supposedly failed to find viruses?
:o)
*And*... what were the supposed *viruses* found (spyware cookies?)?
There is a very good chance that *none* of them were viruses or even
active trojans. Without any specifics, the post is meaningless.
Post by RayLopez99
Otherwise your anecdote is complete bullshit.
Like your toy OS, Linux.
My, you *do* like to troll the Linux groups don't you. :o)
He sure does. Of course, most have him either filtered in leafnode or
killfiled.
Just this once I will crosspost with what the mentally deficient troll is
"Nope, not "malware" - viruses.  We're well aware of the difference.  I
didn't count the umpteen other things reported, such as tracking cookies
and the like.  Just the reported viruses. :)"
Followup set.
What were the AV programs and which virsuses did it fail to detect?
Shiit e head.

RL
Hardon
2011-06-11 09:22:56 UTC
Permalink
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously
using Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this
thread, from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do
Serious Work (a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm
talking about an OS that supports the Office Suite). This one
person was a contract manager who insisted on using Linux. He was
valuable enough to his organization that they let him get away with
this stunt, and he ended up converting all Linux work into Office
format using some emulator like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux
somehow can export to .docx format, though I don't see how.
It seems your definition of serious work is secretarial work. It is no
doubt important as administrative work in most organisations but at
best it is a tool to aid productivity. In my experience the time
people waste trying to get Microsoft Office to do what they want it to
do exceeds any overall benefit.
One person in all these years. Just one.
So you must be a secretary. No shame in that.
Case closed.
The fact you think using Microsoft Office is the be all and end all of
computing just shows what an ignorant person you are. Yes, your case
is closed.
An Old Friend
2011-06-11 11:26:14 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:22:56 +0000, Hardon chiseled
Post by Hardon
The fact you think using Microsoft Office is the be all and end all of
computing just shows what an ignorant person you are. Yes, your case is
closed.
+1
RayLopez99
2011-06-11 16:06:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hardon
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously
using Linux for Serious Work?  Since the first time I've posted this
thread, from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do
Serious Work (a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm
talking about an OS that supports the Office Suite).  This one
person was a contract manager who insisted on using Linux.  He was
valuable enough to his organization that they let him get away with
this stunt, and he ended up converting all Linux work into Office
format using some emulator like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux
somehow can export to .docx format, though I don't see how.
It seems your definition of serious work is secretarial work. It is no
doubt important as administrative work in most organisations but at
best it is a tool to aid productivity. In my experience the time
people waste trying to get Microsoft Office to do what they want it to
do exceeds any overall benefit.
You misspelled "organizations".
Post by Hardon
One person in all these years.  Just one.
So you must be a secretary. No shame in that.
Case closed.
The fact you think using Microsoft Office is the be all and end all of
computing just shows what an ignorant person you are. Yes, your case
is closed.
Nope, try again. Nice try though.

RL
The Natural Philosopher
2011-06-11 16:14:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by RayLopez99
Post by Hardon
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously
using Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this
thread, from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do
Serious Work (a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm
talking about an OS that supports the Office Suite). This one
person was a contract manager who insisted on using Linux. He was
valuable enough to his organization that they let him get away with
this stunt, and he ended up converting all Linux work into Office
format using some emulator like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux
somehow can export to .docx format, though I don't see how.
It seems your definition of serious work is secretarial work. It is no
doubt important as administrative work in most organisations but at
best it is a tool to aid productivity. In my experience the time
people waste trying to get Microsoft Office to do what they want it to
do exceeds any overall benefit.
You misspelled "organizations".
No he didn't. He is probably English, not American.

Things are made simpler for Americans, who plow rather than plough .

This makes the feel a bit stupid, so they invent words like
'burglarize', a verb formed from the noun 'burglar' whereas if they had
any education at all, they would have worked out that the noun 'burglar'
is derived from the verb 'to burgle'.

It was only in a fit of inverted snobbery that they invented Microsoft,
after all.

Instead of making difficult things simple, they ended up making simple
things incredibly difficult.
RayLopez99
2011-06-11 16:20:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by RayLopez99
Post by Hardon
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously
using Linux for Serious Work?  Since the first time I've posted this
thread, from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do
Serious Work (a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm
talking about an OS that supports the Office Suite).  This one
person was a contract manager who insisted on using Linux.  He was
valuable enough to his organization that they let him get away with
this stunt, and he ended up converting all Linux work into Office
format using some emulator like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux
somehow can export to .docx format, though I don't see how.
It seems your definition of serious work is secretarial work. It is no
doubt important as administrative work in most organisations but at
best it is a tool to aid productivity. In my experience the time
people waste trying to get Microsoft Office to do what they want it to
do exceeds any overall benefit.
You misspelled "organizations".
No he didn't. He is probably English, not American.
Things are made simpler for Americans, who plow rather than plough .
Yes, I realized this after posting. Daniel Webster is to blame (or is
it blaime?)
Post by The Natural Philosopher
This makes the [SIC--what an ignorant bastard!] feel  a bit stupid, so they invent words like
'burglarize', a verb formed from the noun 'burglar' whereas if they had
any education at all, they would have worked out that the noun 'burglar'
is derived from the verb 'to burgle'.
One of the more useful features, probably lacking in Open Office, is
Microsoft Office Word's "Grammar checker", which would have caught
your 'the' / 'them' mistake above. You would need to use it if you
did Serious Work.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
It was only in a fit of inverted snobbery that they invented Microsoft,
after all.
Instead of making difficult things simple, they ended up making simple
things incredibly difficult.
Difficult for you, a simpleton.

Tell us again, other than visceral hate for successful corporations
like Microsoft, why you use inferior-ware like Linux?

RL
The Natural Philosopher
2011-06-11 18:46:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by RayLopez99
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by RayLopez99
Post by Hardon
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously
using Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this
thread, from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do
Serious Work (a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm
talking about an OS that supports the Office Suite). This one
person was a contract manager who insisted on using Linux. He was
valuable enough to his organization that they let him get away with
this stunt, and he ended up converting all Linux work into Office
format using some emulator like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux
somehow can export to .docx format, though I don't see how.
It seems your definition of serious work is secretarial work. It is no
doubt important as administrative work in most organisations but at
best it is a tool to aid productivity. In my experience the time
people waste trying to get Microsoft Office to do what they want it to
do exceeds any overall benefit.
You misspelled "organizations".
No he didn't. He is probably English, not American.
Things are made simpler for Americans, who plow rather than plough .
Yes, I realized this after posting. Daniel Webster is to blame (or is
it blaime?)
Post by The Natural Philosopher
This makes the [SIC--what an ignorant bastard!] feel a bit stupid, so they invent words like
'burglarize', a verb formed from the noun 'burglar' whereas if they had
any education at all, they would have worked out that the noun 'burglar'
is derived from the verb 'to burgle'.
One of the more useful features, probably lacking in Open Office, is
Microsoft Office Word's "Grammar checker", which would have caught
your 'the' / 'them' mistake above. You would need to use it if you
did Serious Work.
which mistake would that be Ray?

I cant see it? Or are you inventing mistakes as well?
Post by RayLopez99
Post by The Natural Philosopher
It was only in a fit of inverted snobbery that they invented Microsoft,
after all.
Instead of making difficult things simple, they ended up making simple
things incredibly difficult.
Difficult for you, a simpleton.
No, difficult for you, a complete moron.
Post by RayLopez99
Tell us again, other than visceral hate for successful corporations
like Microsoft, why you use inferior-ware like Linux?
Becase it works (better).

I say better, advisedly, because Microsoft barely works at all.

On this desk I have 4 machines including a router. All run some unix
flavour of operating system and that includes my wife's Macintosh.

Two run Linux.

We do a lot of work. I cant say how serious it is, because that depends
on what serious is defined to be.

Suffice to say that this computer here, is a computer. As is the one
next to it. Not a glorified word processor.

It does CAD, graphics work, html, PHP and C programming and compiles the
latter. The one next to me is a file and print server, and a web server.

Do I have windows? Only in a virtual box. For Corel Draw and Rhino 3D
CAD only. And to check that web pages run adequately on IE6. Its
deliberately left that way.

I haven't used it in two weeks.
Post by RayLopez99
RL
William Poaster
2011-06-11 22:13:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by RayLopez99
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by RayLopez99
Post by Hardon
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously
using Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this
thread, from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do
Serious Work (a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm
talking about an OS that supports the Office Suite). This one
person was a contract manager who insisted on using Linux. He was
valuable enough to his organization that they let him get away with
this stunt, and he ended up converting all Linux work into Office
format using some emulator like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux
somehow can export to .docx format, though I don't see how.
It seems your definition of serious work is secretarial work. It is no
doubt important as administrative work in most organisations but at
best it is a tool to aid productivity. In my experience the time
people waste trying to get Microsoft Office to do what they want it to
do exceeds any overall benefit.
You misspelled "organizations".
No he didn't. He is probably English, not American.
Things are made simpler for Americans, who plow rather than plough .
Yes, I realized this after posting. Daniel Webster is to blame (or is
it blaime?)
Post by The Natural Philosopher
This makes the [SIC--what an ignorant bastard!] feel a bit stupid, so they invent words like
'burglarize', a verb formed from the noun 'burglar' whereas if they had
any education at all, they would have worked out that the noun 'burglar'
is derived from the verb 'to burgle'.
One of the more useful features, probably lacking in Open Office, is
Microsoft Office Word's "Grammar checker", which would have caught
your 'the' / 'them' mistake above. You would need to use it if you
did Serious Work.
which mistake would that be Ray?
I cant see it? Or are you inventing mistakes as well?
How odd. Libreoffice has a grammar & slepp chickur. :-)

"To check the spelling and the grammar of text, the appropriate
dictionaries must be installed. For many languages three different
dictionaries exist: a spelling dictionary, a hyphenation dictionary, and a
thesaurus. Each dictionary covers one language only. Grammar checkers can
be downloaded and installed as extensions."

Guess Dopez99 didn't know that, huh.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by RayLopez99
Post by The Natural Philosopher
It was only in a fit of inverted snobbery that they invented Microsoft,
after all.
Instead of making difficult things simple, they ended up making simple
things incredibly difficult.
Difficult for you, a simpleton.
No, difficult for you, a complete moron.
Post by RayLopez99
Tell us again, other than visceral hate for successful corporations
like Microsoft, why you use inferior-ware like Linux?
Becase it works (better).
I say better, advisedly, because Microsoft barely works at all.
On this desk I have 4 machines including a router. All run some unix
flavour of operating system and that includes my wife's Macintosh.
Two run Linux.
We do a lot of work. I cant say how serious it is, because that depends
on what serious is defined to be.
Suffice to say that this computer here, is a computer. As is the one
next to it. Not a glorified word processor.
It does CAD, graphics work, html, PHP and C programming and compiles the
latter. The one next to me is a file and print server, and a web server.
Do I have windows? Only in a virtual box. For Corel Draw and Rhino 3D
CAD only. And to check that web pages run adequately on IE6. Its
deliberately left that way.
I haven't used it in two weeks.
Post by RayLopez99
RL
--
E Pluribus UNIX.
"Microsoft has vast resources, literally billions of dollars in cash, or liquid assets reserves.
Microsoft is an incredibly successful empire built on the premise of market dominance with low-quality goods."
-- Former White House adviser Richard A. Clarke --
William Poaster
2011-06-11 22:42:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Poaster
How odd. Libreoffice has a grammar & slepp chickur. :-)
"To check the spelling and the grammar of text, the appropriate
dictionaries must be installed. For many languages three different
dictionaries exist: a spelling dictionary, a hyphenation dictionary, and a
thesaurus. Each dictionary covers one language only. Grammar checkers can
be downloaded and installed as extensions."
Guess Dopez99 didn't know that, huh.
William, if we start going into the things which Raylopez99 does *not* know,
we could be here for some time - in fact, a single lifetime would not be
enough!
Would it be more efficient to simply list off the things which Raylopez99
*does* know?
To help get things started, here is my contribution to the list:-
Um, yup. And don't for get this:
--
XPN :: http://xpn.altervista.org
"Microsoft has vast resources, literally billions of dollars in cash, or liquid assets reserves.
Microsoft is an incredibly successful empire built on the premise of market dominance with low-quality goods."
-- Former White House adviser Richard A. Clarke --
bbgruff
2011-06-11 22:27:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Poaster
How odd. Libreoffice has a grammar & slepp chickur. :-)
"To check the spelling and the grammar of text, the appropriate
dictionaries must be installed. For many languages three different
dictionaries exist: a spelling dictionary, a hyphenation dictionary, and a
thesaurus. Each dictionary covers one language only. Grammar checkers can
be downloaded and installed as extensions."
Guess Dopez99 didn't know that, huh.
William, if we start going into the things which Raylopez99 does *not* know,
we could be here for some time - in fact, a single lifetime would not be
enough!
Would it be more efficient to simply list off the things which Raylopez99
*does* know?
To help get things started, here is my contribution to the list:-
JeffM
2011-06-12 02:05:32 UTC
Permalink
William, if we start going into the things which Raylopez99 does *not* know,
we could be here for some time
...but if you have any questions about how to do secretarial work,
I'm sure he'll have an answer about how to do that in M$Office.
Gregory Shearman
2011-06-12 05:29:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by JeffM
William, if we start going into the things which Raylopez99 does *not* know,
we could be here for some time
...but if you have any questions about how to do secretarial work,
I'm sure he'll have an answer about how to do that in M$Office.
That's right! Secretarial work is the only SERIOUS work there is,
according to Lopez.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
Sinister Midget
2011-06-12 09:22:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by JeffM
William, if we start going into the things which Raylopez99 does *not* know,
we could be here for some time
...but if you have any questions about how to do secretarial work,
I'm sure he'll have an answer about how to do that in M$Office.
That's right! Secretarial work is the only SERIOUS work there is,
according to Lopez.
Then the questions should be:

Who seriously uses linux to do serious secretarial work on M$ Offal,
seriously?

Get it right, Dopehead!
--
25.80697580112788: The square root of the Beast
William Poaster
2011-06-12 09:45:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sinister Midget
Post by Gregory Shearman
Post by JeffM
William, if we start going into the things which Raylopez99 does *not* know,
we could be here for some time
...but if you have any questions about how to do secretarial work,
I'm sure he'll have an answer about how to do that in M$Office.
That's right! Secretarial work is the only SERIOUS work there is,
according to Lopez.
Who seriously uses linux to do serious secretarial work on M$ Offal,
seriously?
Get it right, Dopehead!
Changed subject accordingly. :-)
--
The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out.
"Microsoft has vast resources, literally billions of dollars in cash, or liquid assets reserves.
Microsoft is an incredibly successful empire built on the premise of market dominance with low-quality goods."
-- Former White House adviser Richard A. Clarke --
DFS
2011-06-12 02:18:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Do I have windows? Only in a virtual box. For Corel Draw and Rhino 3D
CAD only.
heh.. good self-nuke, bozo.

What's wrong with the OSS (cr)apps that you refuse to use them?
JEDIDIAH
2011-06-11 23:48:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by RayLopez99
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this thread,
Any Fortune 500 company or Global 1000 company.

[deletia]
--
"Microsoft looks at new ideas, they don't evaluate whether
the idea will move the industry forward, they ask, |||
'how will it help us sell more copies of Windows?'" / | \

-- Bill Gates
Kari Laine
2011-06-12 08:20:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by RayLopez99
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this thread,
from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work
(a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS
that supports the Office Suite). This one person was a contract
manager who insisted on using Linux. He was valuable enough to his
organization that they let him get away with this stunt, and he ended
up converting all Linux work into Office format using some emulator
like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux somehow can export to .docx
format, though I don't see how.
One person in all these years. Just one.
Case closed.
RL
Define serious Work.

I am retired but do odd kicks time to time. At the moment I am fixing
two machines from one of my customer - private person. They are Windows
machines. Just to be sure I can always restore the machines to starting
condition I always make an image of the disks with Knoppix using dd.
One of the machine is old and only support USB 1.1 so it is taking few
hours (1,5 days) to backup the drive. But this way if I miss to transfer
any work or settings I can always start over.

I do all my day to day stuff with Linux (OpenSUSE). Write stuff with
LibreOffice, do my banking, and so on. I know few other persons also
doing the same.

I know personally a small company which does billing with Linux based
program - I know I wrote the program with Gambas :-) Yeah I know it must
not be serious because it is done with Visual Basic of Linux. Actually
Gambas is very good and Benoit, the main programmer, is very active and
helpful. Fully recommended.

Don't you count all the financial institutions using Linux as their
infrastructure as serious users?

If you are basing your "survey" to cola posts it is probably not very
scientific :-)


Kari


- --
PICs, Displays,Relays - USB-SPI-I2C http://www.byvac.com
USB and FPGA boards http://www.ztex.de

I am just a happy customer
RayLopez99
2011-06-12 11:23:47 UTC
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Post by Kari Laine
Don't you count all the financial institutions using Linux as their
infrastructure as serious users?
If you are basing your "survey" to cola posts it is probably not very
scientific :-)
Kari
I did define Serious Work. And it does not include Apache.

As a fellow programmer, who writes under Visual Studio, I can
appreciate your coding. Truth be told however, the consuming public
wants something more than "just works". They want graphics. They
want help files. They want live support. They want maintenance for
minor bug fixes that can easily be worked around (i.e., 'just don't
click on that sequence of buttons and you won't have that problem'--to
try and fix that in code is sometimes a pain).

You don't get that in Linux land. You get that with for-pay software
companies writing to a for-pay OS that has 90% or greater market
share.

That's Windows.

Got it now Kari? Or do you just want to flame?

RL
Lusotec
2011-06-12 11:56:43 UTC
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Post by RayLopez99
Post by Kari Laine
Don't you count all the financial institutions using Linux as their
infrastructure as serious users?
If you are basing your "survey" to cola posts it is probably not very
scientific :-)
I did define Serious Work.
No one cares about your *stupid* (re)definitions.

Regards.
Roger Blake
2011-06-12 18:22:08 UTC
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Post by Kari Laine
One of the machine is old and only support USB 1.1 so it is taking few
hours (1,5 days) to backup the drive.
I keep a USB 2.0 PCI card handy for such instances. However I'm getting to
the point where I simply refuse to work on most older PCs -- if more than
5 or 6 years old I tell people "it's rubbish, throw it out and buy a
new one." Not worth my time or trouble to bother with such junk.
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protection... the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually
an economy summit during which the distribution of the world's
resources will be negotiated." -- Ottmar Edenhofer, IPCC
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JeffM
2011-06-12 20:40:45 UTC
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I'm getting to the point
where I simply refuse to work on most older PCs
-- if more than 5 or 6 years old
I tell people ""it's rubbish, throw it out and buy a new one."
Not worth my time or trouble to bother with such junk.
Everyone in that group of users must be affluent (and not a Green).
I also note that you don't mention if you are doing this for profit
or out of friendship.

This *could* be a powerful demonstration of Linux.
# A modern OS
# with current security updates available
# which has support for a wider range of hardware
than anything M$ has EVER produced
# and isn't susceptible to the millions of M$-only exploits.

...and you know that
that aged hardware (HDD, MoBo lytics) will totally fail some day
whereupon your friends/clients will give you another opportunity
to show them an even more recent / more powerful version of Linux.

Backing up / restoring files and installing software
(especially when that doesn't use the Windoze Registry[1])
doesn't seem like such a huge task.

...or maybe my rose-colored glasses need a new prescription.


[1] babysitting OS/app installs
that are done one-by-one including reboot, reboot, reboot, reboot.
Aragorn
2011-06-13 10:02:04 UTC
Permalink
On Sunday 12 June 2011 22:40 in comp.os.linux.setup, somebody
identifying as JeffM wrote...
Post by JeffM
[1] babysitting OS/app installs
that are done one-by-one including reboot, reboot, reboot, reboot.
Surely it's not that monotonous. In my experience, it's more along the
lines of "install application, reboot, reboot, reboot, reinstall same
application again, reboot, reboot, reinstall operating system and
reformat drive, reboot, reboot...".

:p
--
*Aragorn*
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)
RayLopez99
2011-06-13 16:17:57 UTC
Permalink
Surely it's not that monotonous.  In my experience, it's more along the
lines of "install application, reboot, reboot, reboot, reinstall same
application again, reboot, reboot, reinstall operating system and
reformat drive, reboot, reboot..."
Having fun, retard, preaching to the choir? Bet this is the most fun
you get outside of a bowel movement every day.

(I'm kidding, don't go off and hang yourself you psycho!)

RL
hanukas
2011-06-13 07:36:05 UTC
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Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question:  who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work?  Since the first time I've posted this thread,
from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work
(a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS
that supports the Office Suite).  This one person was a contract
manager who insisted on using Linux.  He was valuable enough to his
organization that they let him get away with this stunt, and he ended
up converting all Linux work into Office format using some emulator
like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux somehow can export to .docx
format, though I don't see how.
One person in all these years.  Just one.
Case closed.
RL
Define serious Work.
I am retired but do odd kicks time to time. At the moment I am fixing
two machines from one of my customer - private person. They are Windows
machines. Just to be sure I can always restore the machines to starting
condition I always make an image of the disks with Knoppix using dd.
One of the machine is old and only support USB 1.1 so it is taking few
hours (1,5 days) to backup the drive. But this way if I miss to transfer
any work or settings I can always start over.
I do all my day to day stuff with Linux (OpenSUSE). Write stuff with
LibreOffice, do my banking, and so on. I know few other persons also
doing the same.
I know personally a small company which does billing with Linux based
program - I know I wrote the program with Gambas :-) Yeah I know it must
not be serious because it is done with Visual Basic of Linux. Actually
Gambas is very good and Benoit, the main programmer, is very active and
helpful. Fully recommended.
Don't you count all the financial institutions using Linux as their
infrastructure as serious users?
If you are basing your "survey" to cola posts it is probably not very
scientific :-)
Kari
- --
PICs, Displays,Relays - USB-SPI-I2Chttp://www.byvac.com
USB and FPGA boards  http://www.ztex.de
I am just a happy customer
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What good is restoring to start condition? Why not use backup solution
which has version history?
Lusotec
2011-06-12 10:22:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by RayLopez99
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this thread,
from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work
(a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS
that supports the Office Suite). This one person was a contract
manager who insisted on using Linux. He was valuable enough to his
organization that they let him get away with this stunt, and he ended
up converting all Linux work into Office format using some emulator
like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux somehow can export to .docx
format, though I don't see how.
One person in all these years. Just one.
Case closed.
RL
Lets see the dictionary definitions of "serious" and "work".

serious

adj 1: concerned with work or important matters rather than play or
trivialities; "a serious student of history"; "a serious attempt to learn to
ski"; "gave me a serious look"; "a serious young man"; "are you serious or
joking?"; "Don't be so serious!" [ant: frivolous]
(...)


work

n 1: activity directed toward making or doing something; "she checked
several points needing further work"
(...)
v 1: exert oneself by doing mental or physical work for a purpose or out of
necessity; "I will work hard to improve my grades"; "she worked hard for
better living conditions for the poor" [ant: idle]
(...)

So, according to dictionary and widely common use of those words, many many
millions use GNU/Linux to do "serious work".

Regards.

p.s. No one cares about your *stupid* (re)definitions!
William Poaster
2011-06-12 10:49:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lusotec
Post by RayLopez99
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this thread,
from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work
(a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS
that supports the Office Suite). This one person was a contract
manager who insisted on using Linux. He was valuable enough to his
organization that they let him get away with this stunt, and he ended
up converting all Linux work into Office format using some emulator
like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux somehow can export to .docx
format, though I don't see how.
One person in all these years. Just one.
Case closed.
RL
Lets see the dictionary definitions of "serious" and "work".
serious
adj 1: concerned with work or important matters rather than play or
trivialities; "a serious student of history"; "a serious attempt to learn to
ski"; "gave me a serious look"; "a serious young man"; "are you serious or
joking?"; "Don't be so serious!" [ant: frivolous]
(...)
work
n 1: activity directed toward making or doing something; "she checked
several points needing further work"
(...)
v 1: exert oneself by doing mental or physical work for a purpose or out of
necessity; "I will work hard to improve my grades"; "she worked hard for
better living conditions for the poor" [ant: idle]
(...)
So, according to dictionary and widely common use of those words, many many
millions use GNU/Linux to do "serious work".
And certainly the scientists at FERMI & CERN do "serious work", as they
compiled "Scientific Linux" which is used by them, as well as laboratories
& universities around the world.
Post by Lusotec
Regards.
p.s. No one cares about your *stupid* (re)definitions!
--
E Pluribus UNIX.
"Microsoft has vast resources, literally billions of dollars in cash, or liquid assets reserves.
Microsoft is an incredibly successful empire built on the premise of market dominance with low-quality goods."
-- Former White House adviser Richard A. Clarke --
RayLopez99
2011-06-12 11:25:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lusotec
Regards.
p.s. No one cares about your *stupid* (re)definitions!
It's a defined term, stupid. Capital letters should have been a
giveaway. Dictionary does not apply. Sheez. Linux user. Figures.

RL
Lusotec
2011-06-12 11:54:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by RayLopez99
Post by Lusotec
p.s. No one cares about your *stupid* (re)definitions!
It's a defined term, stupid. Capital letters should have been a
giveaway. Dictionary does not apply. Sheez. Linux user. Figures.
Yes, they are defined terms and here are the definitions:

serious

adj 1: concerned with work or important matters rather than play or
trivialities; "a serious student of history"; "a serious attempt to learn to
ski"; "gave me a serious look"; "a serious young man"; "are you serious or
joking?"; "Don't be so serious!" [ant: frivolous]
(...)


work

n 1: activity directed toward making or doing something; "she checked
several points needing further work"
(...)
v 1: exert oneself by doing mental or physical work for a purpose or out of
necessity; "I will work hard to improve my grades"; "she worked hard for
better living conditions for the poor" [ant: idle]
(...)

Regards.

p.s. No one cares about your *very* *stupid* (re)definitions!
Hardon
2011-06-12 12:46:42 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 12:54:28 +0100, Lusotec wrote:

[snip]

RayLopez99

n: congenitally stupid
Ian Hilliard
2011-06-12 12:21:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by RayLopez99
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this thread,
from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work
(a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS
that supports the Office Suite). This one person was a contract
manager who insisted on using Linux. He was valuable enough to his
organization that they let him get away with this stunt, and he ended
up converting all Linux work into Office format using some emulator
like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux somehow can export to .docx
format, though I don't see how.
One person in all these years. Just one.
Case closed.
RL
Serious work is not creating a spreadsheet or writing a document,
although these are important, the serious work is what keeps the world
running and makes our lives better.

The biggest player in the embedded world is Linux, so your TV, your
HD-Recorder, your PoS system, the controller on your CAT scanner, your
medical monitoring systems, the fleet management for the lorries that
take the produce to market, your Bus, your Tram, your Train, your
shipping, many systems on your Aeroplane, NASA, the Military, many
fortune 500 companies in their back office, Google, just to name a few
and or course there is me.

Linux is everywhere, you are just too blind to see it.

Ian
JeffM
2011-06-12 20:45:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ian Hilliard
The biggest player in the embedded world is Linux
[...]medical monitoring systems
Doesn't it creep you out when you go into a medical facility
and see equipment running Windoze?
I imagine that crap getting one of M$'s "critical updates"[1]
and deciding to auto-reboot in the middle of a procedure.
.
.
[1] e.g. Windoze Genuine disAdvantage.
flatfish+++
2011-06-12 21:11:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by JeffM
Post by Ian Hilliard
The biggest player in the embedded world is Linux
[...]medical monitoring systems
Doesn't it creep you out when you go into a medical facility
and see equipment running Windoze?
I imagine that crap getting one of M$'s "critical updates"[1]
and deciding to auto-reboot in the middle of a procedure.
So next time you are hooked up to all those machines and the Doctor's
are trying to save your life, why not demand they disconnect them and
run only Linux or FOSS???

Hypocrite.
--
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/

Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508
Hadron
2011-06-13 03:42:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by flatfish+++
Post by JeffM
Post by Ian Hilliard
The biggest player in the embedded world is Linux
[...]medical monitoring systems
Doesn't it creep you out when you go into a medical facility
and see equipment running Windoze?
I imagine that crap getting one of M$'s "critical updates"[1]
and deciding to auto-reboot in the middle of a procedure.
So next time you are hooked up to all those machines and the Doctor's
are trying to save your life, why not demand they disconnect them and
run only Linux or FOSS???
Hypocrite.
And a lying arsehole.
JEDIDIAH
2011-06-13 13:04:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by flatfish+++
Post by JeffM
Post by Ian Hilliard
The biggest player in the embedded world is Linux
[...]medical monitoring systems
Doesn't it creep you out when you go into a medical facility
and see equipment running Windoze?
I imagine that crap getting one of M$'s "critical updates"[1]
and deciding to auto-reboot in the middle of a procedure.
So next time you are hooked up to all those machines and the Doctor's
are trying to save your life, why not demand they disconnect them and
run only Linux or FOSS???
Being creeped out by medical equipment running WinDOS over "licensing"
has less to do with how Linux is licensed and more to do with the fact
that Windows in general is not licensed/warranted for that sort of work.
--
MSOffice is completely unremarkable except for the fact |||
that it is most compatable with itself. / | \
Norman Peelman
2011-06-12 12:27:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by RayLopez99
Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question: who is seriously using
Linux for Serious Work? Since the first time I've posted this thread,
from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work
(a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS
that supports the Office Suite). This one person was a contract
manager who insisted on using Linux. He was valuable enough to his
organization that they let him get away with this stunt, and he ended
up converting all Linux work into Office format using some emulator
like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux somehow can export to .docx
format, though I don't see how.
One person in all these years. Just one.
Case closed.
RL
Who seriously considers RayLopez a SERIOUS POSTER, seriously?
--
Norman
Registered Linux user #461062
AMD64X2 6400+ Ubuntu 8.04 64bit
William Poaster
2011-06-12 13:07:46 UTC
Permalink
<snip troll drivel>
Post by Norman Peelman
Who seriously considers RayLopez a SERIOUS POSTER, seriously?
Subject changed accordingly. :-)
--
E Pluribus UNIX.
"Microsoft has vast resources, literally billions of dollars in cash, or liquid assets reserves.
Microsoft is an incredibly successful empire built on the premise of market dominance with low-quality goods."
-- Former White House adviser Richard A. Clarke --
RayLopez99
2011-06-12 17:00:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Norman Peelman
RL
Who seriously considers RayLopez a SERIOUS POSTER, seriously?
Hey Norm, I did install the virtual OS program from Microsoft that you
suggested a while ago but my Windows 7 laptop does not support it that
well without a simple BIOS tweak, that am too lazy to do. But my
Windows 7 desktop does support it without any tweak. My question to
you, should you care to answer, is whether I can run an old copy of
Visual Studio 2008 (I need VS08 to run because though I now use VS10 I
have some old programs to support and I wiped off VS08 from my machine
when installing VS10) on such a virtual OS (running say Windows 7,
another instantiation, or maybe even running XP) will it have any
problems or are these virtual OSes just for simple stuff? Because my
impression is that they are for simple stuff. Please correct me if
I'm wrong.

Now can you imagine having such a sophisticated conversation over a
dumb OS like Linux? Nope.

RL
hanukas
2011-06-13 07:45:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by RayLopez99
Post by Norman Peelman
RL
Who seriously considers RayLopez a SERIOUS POSTER, seriously?
Hey Norm, I did install the virtual OS program from Microsoft that you
suggested a while ago but my Windows 7 laptop does not support it that
well without a simple BIOS tweak, that am too lazy to do.  But my
Windows 7 desktop does support it without any tweak.  My question to
you, should you care to answer, is whether I can run an old copy of
Visual Studio 2008 (I need VS08 to run because though I now use VS10 I
have some old programs to support and I wiped off VS08 from my machine
when installing VS10) on such a virtual OS (running say Windows 7,
another instantiation, or maybe even running XP) will it have any
problems or are these virtual OSes just for simple stuff?  Because my
impression is that they are for simple stuff.  Please correct me if
I'm wrong.
As you may know, you can have VS6, 2005, 2008, 2010 and other versions
installed simultaneously and they will even work. The ".sln" files are
associated with version selector program which will launch the
appropriate version of Visual Studio for the sln files. Have a nice
day.
Chris Ahlstrom
2011-06-13 10:42:26 UTC
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comp.os.linux.setup crosspost snipped
Post by hanukas
As you may know, you can have VS6, 2005, 2008, 2010 and other versions
installed simultaneously and they will even work. The ".sln" files are
associated with version selector program which will launch the
appropriate version of Visual Studio for the sln files. Have a nice
day.
Actually, you may have to make sure you install the projects in a certain
order.

Also, if you build your stuff with different versions, you may end up with
run-time issues.

One more thing... you can't run an application built with Visual Studio 2010
on Windows XP before SP3, I believe. It certainly won't run on XP SP1, due
to a change in the kernel interface.
--
"Hey Ivan, check your six."
-- Sidewinder missile jacket patch, showing a Sidewinder driving up the tail
of a Russian Su-27
RayLopez99
2011-06-13 16:16:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by hanukas
As you may know, you can have VS6, 2005, 2008, 2010 and other versions
installed simultaneously and they will even work. The ".sln" files are
associated with version selector program which will launch the
appropriate version of Visual Studio for the sln files. Have a nice
day.
In theory, but in practice I've found they tend to conflict with each
other especially the debugger. I hate having multiple instantiations
of VS and did a clean reinstall a while back to avoid that problem...
so I'm thinking maybe sandbox the old versions with a Virtual Machine.

RL
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