Discussion:
Linux market share dead, dying (about 1.3% and falling)
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raylopez99
2008-05-21 08:58:31 UTC
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Yep, Linux is dead. Long live Linux. And Amiga. And 8-track
cassettes. And disco.

RL

Recent statistics released by W3Counter reveal that the market share
of Windows 98 fell from 1.44 percent to 1.34 percent in August,
reducing it to the same level of popularity as the open source Linux
operating system, which saw its market share increase from 1.33 to
1.34 in the same period. If the steady downward trend in Windows 98's
market share continues, the popularity of Linux will soon surpass that
of Microsoft's outdated, nine-year-old Windows version.

This is a somewhat empty victory for Linux enthusiasts, who have been
predicting the imminent arrival of the mythical "year of the Linux
desktop" for as long as I've been a Linux user. Linux's 1.34 percent
market share falls far short of the rosy 2008 estimates made by
Siemens in 2003.

The W3Counter's statistics, which are based on the web browser user
agent text of 33 million unique visitors to over 5 thousand web sites,
also show that Mac OS X (3.73 percent) is still more popular than
Windows Vista (3.46 percent) and is quickly catching up to Windows
2000 (3.94 percent). Within a year, we expect Vista to surpass both of
these readily.

Although market share statistics can provide valuable insight into
software adoption trends, no method of gathering such information is
completely reliable. One can often get a clearer picture by comparing
statistics from multiple sources. Net Applications, which also
provides monthly operating system market share statistics, shows Linux
at 0.77 percent in August and Windows 98 at 0.98 percent.

Although the popularity of Linux still doesn't rival that of Mac OS X
or Windows on the desktop, the open-source operating system is
accumulating broader industry support, a factor that could potentially
lead to modest market share increases in the coming months. Dell, HP,
and Lenovo are all offering Linux preinstalled on desktop or laptop
systems in select markets, available to end users, and reportedly well-
configured. We have some coming into the lab for a test, so stay
tuned.
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How Can Linux Market Share Be Accurately Measured?
listen

Friday October 26, 2007 12:34PM
by Caitlyn Martin in Articles

eWeek ran an article yesterday titled Linux Losing Market Share to
Windows Server. The article quoted IDC sales figures.
Hadron
2008-05-21 10:16:58 UTC
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Post by raylopez99
Yep, Linux is dead. Long live Linux. And Amiga. And 8-track
cassettes. And disco.
RL
Recent statistics released by W3Counter reveal that the market share
of Windows 98 fell from 1.44 percent to 1.34 percent in August,
reducing it to the same level of popularity as the open source Linux
operating system, which saw its market share increase from 1.33 to
1.34 in the same period. If the steady downward trend in Windows 98's
market share continues, the popularity of Linux will soon surpass that
of Microsoft's outdated, nine-year-old Windows version.
This is a somewhat empty victory for Linux enthusiasts, who have been
predicting the imminent arrival of the mythical "year of the Linux
desktop" for as long as I've been a Linux user. Linux's 1.34 percent
market share falls far short of the rosy 2008 estimates made by
Siemens in 2003.
The W3Counter's statistics, which are based on the web browser user
agent text of 33 million unique visitors to over 5 thousand web sites,
also show that Mac OS X (3.73 percent) is still more popular than
Windows Vista (3.46 percent) and is quickly catching up to Windows
2000 (3.94 percent). Within a year, we expect Vista to surpass both of
these readily.
Although market share statistics can provide valuable insight into
software adoption trends, no method of gathering such information is
completely reliable. One can often get a clearer picture by comparing
statistics from multiple sources. Net Applications, which also
provides monthly operating system market share statistics, shows Linux
at 0.77 percent in August and Windows 98 at 0.98 percent.
That ties in with the BBC's figures of 0.8%. Anecdotal evidence
suggests Linux to be less than 1% on desktops.
Post by raylopez99
Although the popularity of Linux still doesn't rival that of Mac OS X
or Windows on the desktop, the open-source operating system is
accumulating broader industry support, a factor that could potentially
lead to modest market share increases in the coming months. Dell, HP,
and Lenovo are all offering Linux preinstalled on desktop or laptop
systems in select markets, available to end users, and reportedly well-
configured. We have some coming into the lab for a test, so stay
tuned.
-
How Can Linux Market Share Be Accurately Measured?
listen
Friday October 26, 2007 12:34PM
by Caitlyn Martin in Articles
eWeek ran an article yesterday titled Linux Losing Market Share to
Windows Server. The article quoted IDC sales figures.
It doesn't need to be accurate. Everyone knows its "around" the 1%
mark (I think less) since just peering over shoulders shows Linux to be
almost no where. If the advocates in COLA stopped telling lies and tried
some real advocacy then maybe this would change.
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debian.
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Rick
2008-05-21 10:58:58 UTC
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Post by raylopez99
Yep, Linux is dead. Long live Linux. And Amiga. And 8-track
cassettes. And disco.
RL
Recent statistics released by W3Counter reveal that the market share of
Windows 98 fell from 1.44 percent to 1.34 percent in August, reducing
it to the same level of popularity as the open source Linux operating
system, which saw its market share increase from 1.33 to 1.34 in the
same period. If the steady downward trend in Windows 98's market share
continues, the popularity of Linux will soon surpass that of
Microsoft's outdated, nine-year-old Windows version.
This is a somewhat empty victory for Linux enthusiasts, who have been
predicting the imminent arrival of the mythical "year of the Linux
desktop" for as long as I've been a Linux user. Linux's 1.34 percent
market share falls far short of the rosy 2008 estimates made by Siemens
in 2003.
The W3Counter's statistics, which are based on the web browser user
agent text of 33 million unique visitors to over 5 thousand web sites,
also show that Mac OS X (3.73 percent) is still more popular than
Windows Vista (3.46 percent) and is quickly catching up to Windows 2000
(3.94 percent). Within a year, we expect Vista to surpass both of these
readily.
Although market share statistics can provide valuable insight into
software adoption trends, no method of gathering such information is
completely reliable. One can often get a clearer picture by comparing
statistics from multiple sources. Net Applications, which also provides
monthly operating system market share statistics, shows Linux at 0.77
percent in August and Windows 98 at 0.98 percent.
That ties in with the BBC's figures of 0.8%. Anecdotal evidence suggests
Linux to be less than 1% on desktops.
Post by raylopez99
Although the popularity of Linux still doesn't rival that of Mac OS X
or Windows on the desktop, the open-source operating system is
accumulating broader industry support, a factor that could potentially
lead to modest market share increases in the coming months. Dell, HP,
and Lenovo are all offering Linux preinstalled on desktop or laptop
systems in select markets, available to end users, and reportedly well-
configured. We have some coming into the lab for a test, so stay tuned.
-
How Can Linux Market Share Be Accurately Measured? listen
Friday October 26, 2007 12:34PM
by Caitlyn Martin in Articles
eWeek ran an article yesterday titled Linux Losing Market Share to
Windows Server. The article quoted IDC sales figures.
It doesn't need to be accurate. Everyone knows its "around" the 1% mark
(I think less) since just peering over shoulders shows Linux to be
almost no where. If the advocates in COLA stopped telling lies and tried
some real advocacy then maybe this would change.
Except that the Linux server market share AND installed base is MUCH
larger than the "desktop" market share and user base. And everyone knows
that, except maybe you.
--
Rick
Ezekiel
2008-05-21 11:43:03 UTC
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Post by Rick
Post by raylopez99
Yep, Linux is dead. Long live Linux. And Amiga. And 8-track
cassettes. And disco.
RL
Recent statistics released by W3Counter reveal that the market share of
Windows 98 fell from 1.44 percent to 1.34 percent in August, reducing
it to the same level of popularity as the open source Linux operating
system, which saw its market share increase from 1.33 to 1.34 in the
same period. If the steady downward trend in Windows 98's market share
continues, the popularity of Linux will soon surpass that of
Microsoft's outdated, nine-year-old Windows version.
This is a somewhat empty victory for Linux enthusiasts, who have been
predicting the imminent arrival of the mythical "year of the Linux
desktop" for as long as I've been a Linux user. Linux's 1.34 percent
market share falls far short of the rosy 2008 estimates made by Siemens
in 2003.
The W3Counter's statistics, which are based on the web browser user
agent text of 33 million unique visitors to over 5 thousand web sites,
also show that Mac OS X (3.73 percent) is still more popular than
Windows Vista (3.46 percent) and is quickly catching up to Windows 2000
(3.94 percent). Within a year, we expect Vista to surpass both of these
readily.
Although market share statistics can provide valuable insight into
software adoption trends, no method of gathering such information is
completely reliable. One can often get a clearer picture by comparing
statistics from multiple sources. Net Applications, which also provides
monthly operating system market share statistics, shows Linux at 0.77
percent in August and Windows 98 at 0.98 percent.
That ties in with the BBC's figures of 0.8%. Anecdotal evidence suggests
Linux to be less than 1% on desktops.
Post by raylopez99
Although the popularity of Linux still doesn't rival that of Mac OS X
or Windows on the desktop, the open-source operating system is
accumulating broader industry support, a factor that could potentially
lead to modest market share increases in the coming months. Dell, HP,
and Lenovo are all offering Linux preinstalled on desktop or laptop
systems in select markets, available to end users, and reportedly well-
configured. We have some coming into the lab for a test, so stay tuned.
-
How Can Linux Market Share Be Accurately Measured? listen
Friday October 26, 2007 12:34PM
by Caitlyn Martin in Articles
eWeek ran an article yesterday titled Linux Losing Market Share to
Windows Server. The article quoted IDC sales figures.
It doesn't need to be accurate. Everyone knows its "around" the 1% mark
(I think less) since just peering over shoulders shows Linux to be
almost no where. If the advocates in COLA stopped telling lies and tried
some real advocacy then maybe this would change.
Except that the Linux server market share AND installed base is MUCH
larger than the "desktop" market share and user base. And everyone knows
that, except maybe you.
Linux has done well as a free replacement for Unix in the server room. But
even Linus admits that the desktop is the holy grail and is all that he's
interested in. His reasoning is that for every server there are 100-200
desktops.
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raylopez99
2008-05-21 11:53:32 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
Linux has done well as a free replacement for Unix in the server room. But
even Linus admits that the desktop is the holy grail and is all that he's
interested in. His reasoning is that for every server there are 100-200
desktops.
Yes, and once MSFT perfects their licensed virtualization product (or
VMWare does, and/or if MSFT buys and licenses it), then every user can
have any OS on their desktop to their heart's content, including Mac,
Windows, PS/2, Unix, Linux, BeOS, Amiga, Dr. Dos simulation, IBM 360-
os, and probably a half dozen others. As long as these users pay
their licensing fee to Microsoft that is.

And that's the way I like it.

Ray Lopez

A MSFT shareholder.
SomeBloke
2008-05-21 12:41:00 UTC
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Post by raylopez99
Post by Ezekiel
Linux has done well as a free replacement for Unix in the server room.
But even Linus admits that the desktop is the holy grail and is all that
he's interested in. His reasoning is that for every server there are
100-200 desktops.
Yes, and once MSFT perfects their licensed virtualization product (or
VMWare does, and/or if MSFT buys and licenses it), then every user can
have any OS on their desktop to their heart's content, including Mac,
Windows, PS/2, Unix, Linux, BeOS, Amiga, Dr. Dos simulation, IBM 360-
os, and probably a half dozen others. As long as these users pay
their licensing fee to Microsoft that is.
And that's the way I like it.
Ray Lopez
A MSFT shareholder.
Wishful thinking par excellence!
chrisv
2008-05-21 14:22:35 UTC
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Post by SomeBloke
Post by raylopez99
Ray Lopez
A MSFT shareholder.
Wishful thinking par excellence!
Does the trolling fsckwit want a cookie because he owns some M$ stock?
n***@wigner.berkeley.edu
2008-05-21 15:12:36 UTC
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Post by raylopez99
A MSFT shareholder.
Stock quotes, May 21, 2008 vs 1 year ago (source: Yahoo finance)
First today, next a year ago, then percentage change

MSFT 28.80 31.05 -7%
AAPL 187.5 111.98 +67%
GOOG 577 470 +23%

Keep those MSFT shares!
Mark Kent
2008-06-10 17:46:06 UTC
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Post by n***@wigner.berkeley.edu
Post by raylopez99
A MSFT shareholder.
Stock quotes, May 21, 2008 vs 1 year ago (source: Yahoo finance)
First today, next a year ago, then percentage change
MSFT 28.80 31.05 -7%
AAPL 187.5 111.98 +67%
GOOG 577 470 +23%
Keep those MSFT shares!
Indeed - there's no indication that they'll go anywhere but down.
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chrisv
2008-06-10 18:33:19 UTC
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Post by n***@wigner.berkeley.edu
Post by raylopez99
A MSFT shareholder.
Stock quotes, May 21, 2008 vs 1 year ago (source: Yahoo finance)
First today, next a year ago, then percentage change
MSFT 28.80 31.05 -7%
AAPL 187.5 111.98 +67%
GOOG 577 470 +23%
Keep those MSFT shares!
Indeed - there's no indication that they'll go anywhere but down.
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2008-05-21 23:01:09 UTC
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Post by raylopez99
Post by Ezekiel
Linux has done well as a free replacement for Unix in the server room.
But even Linus admits that the desktop is the holy grail and is all
that he's interested in. His reasoning is that for every server there
are 100-200 desktops.
Yes, and once MSFT perfects their licensed virtualization product (or
VMWare does, and/or if MSFT buys and licenses it), then every user can
have any OS on their desktop to their heart's content, including Mac,
Windows, PS/2, Unix, Linux, BeOS, Amiga, Dr. Dos simulation, IBM 360-
os, and probably a half dozen others. As long as these users pay their
licensing fee to Microsoft that is.
Really... let us know how everyone is going to be able to run OS X .

And, using VMWare or Virtualbox, Most people can run a number of
operating systems now.
Post by raylopez99
And that's the way I like it.
Who cares what you like.
Post by raylopez99
Ray Lopez
A MSFT shareholder.
Who cares that you are a Microsoft shareholder?
--
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Snit
2008-05-22 03:15:55 UTC
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Post by raylopez99
Post by Ezekiel
Linux has done well as a free replacement for Unix in the server room.
But even Linus admits that the desktop is the holy grail and is all
that he's interested in. His reasoning is that for every server there
are 100-200 desktops.
Yes, and once MSFT perfects their licensed virtualization product (or
VMWare does, and/or if MSFT buys and licenses it), then every user can
have any OS on their desktop to their heart's content, including Mac,
Windows, PS/2, Unix, Linux, BeOS, Amiga, Dr. Dos simulation, IBM 360-
os, and probably a half dozen others. As long as these users pay their
licensing fee to Microsoft that is.
Really... let us know how everyone is going to be able to run OS X .
Buy a Mac.
Post by Rick
And, using VMWare or Virtualbox, Most people can run a number of
operating systems now.
Yeah, but the video sucks for Linux under both Parallels and VWware.
Post by Rick
Post by raylopez99
And that's the way I like it.
Who cares what you like.
Post by raylopez99
Ray Lopez
A MSFT shareholder.
Who cares that you are a Microsoft shareholder?
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raylopez99
2008-06-18 14:13:11 UTC
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Post by Rick
Really... let us know how everyone is going to be able to run OS X .
Emulation, fool. Not ejaculation (what you do verbally everyday).
Post by Rick
And, using VMWare or Virtualbox, Most people can run a number of
operating systems now.
Post by raylopez99
And that's the way I like it.
Who cares what you like.
I care--money is at stake. Money, something you'll never have, Dick.
Post by Rick
Post by raylopez99
Ray Lopez
A MSFT shareholder.
Who cares that you are a Microsoft shareholder?
Motive fool. Who cares that you "advocate" Linux--nobody, since no
money at stake. Go on, advocate, Dick. As if anybody cares...

RL
Rick
2008-06-18 15:07:30 UTC
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Post by raylopez99
Post by Rick
Really... let us know how everyone is going to be able to run OS X .
Emulation, fool. Not ejaculation (what you do verbally everyday).
Really? You run unaltered OS X on your machine under emulation? Please
tell us all how you do that.
Post by raylopez99
Post by Rick
And, using VMWare or Virtualbox, Most people can run a number of
operating systems now.
Post by raylopez99
And that's the way I like it.
Who cares what you like.
I care--
Who cares what you care?
Post by raylopez99
money is at stake. Money, something you'll never have, Dick.
Who are you addressing?
Post by raylopez99
Post by Rick
Post by raylopez99
Ray Lopez
A MSFT shareholder.
Who cares that you are a Microsoft shareholder?
Motive fool. Who cares that you "advocate" Linux--nobody, since no
money at stake. Go on, advocate, Dick.
Who are you talking to?
Post by raylopez99
As if anybody cares...
Apparently you care/ Apparently so do all the Microsoft execs that seem
to be scared shitless of the OSS movement.
Post by raylopez99
RL
I see you still can't configure a signature.
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Hadron
2008-06-18 15:14:55 UTC
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Post by Rick
Apparently you care/ Apparently so do all the Microsoft execs that seem
to be scared shitless of the OSS movement.
Could you name all these "shit scared" execs please Rick?

You remind me some little wide eyed boy having a bomb strapped onto him
before some mad Mullah sends him into a crowded market place to help the
"movement". You understand almost nothing about it but are eager to
please and say the right thing. You end up coming away looking rather
silly and uninformed.
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Rick
2008-06-18 15:20:58 UTC
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Post by Hadron
Post by Rick
Apparently you care/ Apparently so do all the Microsoft execs that seem
to be scared shitless of the OSS movement.
Could you name all these "shit scared" execs please Rick?
Start with Gates and Ballmer. Work you way down.
Post by Hadron
You remind me some little wide eyed boy having a bomb strapped onto him
before some mad Mullah sends him into a crowded market place to help the
"movement". You understand almost nothing about it but are eager to
please and say the right thing. You end up coming away looking rather
silly and uninformed.
You remind me of a lying POS. Oh, wait, that's because you are.
--
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Moshe Goldfarb.
2008-06-18 22:19:16 UTC
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Post by Hadron
Post by Rick
Apparently you care/ Apparently so do all the Microsoft execs that seem
to be scared shitless of the OSS movement.
Could you name all these "shit scared" execs please Rick?
You remind me some little wide eyed boy having a bomb strapped onto him
before some mad Mullah sends him into a crowded market place to help the
"movement". You understand almost nothing about it but are eager to
please and say the right thing. You end up coming away looking rather
silly and uninformed.
Not to mention scattered all over the place, just like Rick....
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2008-06-18 22:18:32 UTC
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Post by Rick
Who are you talking to?
There are so many Dicks around here, does it really matter?
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Moshe. Goldfarb
2008-05-21 16:15:06 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
Linux has done well as a free replacement for Unix in the server room. But
even Linus admits that the desktop is the holy grail and is all that he's
interested in. His reasoning is that for every server there are 100-200
desktops.
Redhat admitted that there is no market for desktop Linux which is why it
stopped producing it.

Smart move on the part of Redhat.
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Rick
2008-05-21 23:01:53 UTC
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Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by Ezekiel
Linux has done well as a free replacement for Unix in the server room.
But even Linus admits that the desktop is the holy grail and is all
that he's interested in. His reasoning is that for every server there
are 100-200 desktops.
Redhat admitted that there is no market for desktop Linux which is why
it stopped producing it.
Smart move on the part of Redhat.
... which why they are still producing desktop Linux...
--
Rick
William Poaster
2008-05-21 11:42:02 UTC
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Post by raylopez99
Yep, Linux is dead. Long live Linux. And Amiga. And 8-track
cassettes. And disco.
RL
Recent statistics released by W3Counter reveal that the market share of
Windows 98 fell from 1.44 percent to 1.34 percent in August, reducing
it to the same level of popularity as the open source Linux operating
system, which saw its market share increase from 1.33 to 1.34 in the
same period. If the steady downward trend in Windows 98's market share
continues, the popularity of Linux will soon surpass that of
Microsoft's outdated, nine-year-old Windows version.
This is a somewhat empty victory for Linux enthusiasts, who have been
predicting the imminent arrival of the mythical "year of the Linux
desktop" for as long as I've been a Linux user. Linux's 1.34 percent
market share falls far short of the rosy 2008 estimates made by Siemens
in 2003.
The W3Counter's statistics, which are based on the web browser user
agent text of 33 million unique visitors to over 5 thousand web sites,
also show that Mac OS X (3.73 percent) is still more popular than
Windows Vista (3.46 percent) and is quickly catching up to Windows 2000
(3.94 percent). Within a year, we expect Vista to surpass both of these
readily.
Although market share statistics can provide valuable insight into
software adoption trends, no method of gathering such information is
completely reliable. One can often get a clearer picture by comparing
statistics from multiple sources. Net Applications, which also provides
monthly operating system market share statistics, shows Linux at 0.77
percent in August and Windows 98 at 0.98 percent.
That ties in with the BBC's figures of 0.8%. Anecdotal evidence suggests
Linux to be less than 1% on desktops.
Post by raylopez99
Although the popularity of Linux still doesn't rival that of Mac OS X
or Windows on the desktop, the open-source operating system is
accumulating broader industry support, a factor that could potentially
lead to modest market share increases in the coming months. Dell, HP,
and Lenovo are all offering Linux preinstalled on desktop or laptop
systems in select markets, available to end users, and reportedly well-
configured. We have some coming into the lab for a test, so stay tuned.
-
How Can Linux Market Share Be Accurately Measured? listen
Friday October 26, 2007 12:34PM
by Caitlyn Martin in Articles
eWeek ran an article yesterday titled Linux Losing Market Share to
Windows Server. The article quoted IDC sales figures.
It doesn't need to be accurate. Everyone knows its "around" the 1% mark
(I think less) since just peering over shoulders shows Linux to be
almost no where. If the advocates in COLA stopped telling lies and tried
some real advocacy then maybe this would change.
Except that the Linux server market share AND installed base is MUCH
larger than the "desktop" market share and user base. And everyone knows
that, except maybe you.
Didn't you know? Quack's "Mr Know-it-All", except he knows nothing. I see
the berk's still clinging to his 1% mantra, & his faith in the BBC website
figures is rather touching, isn't it.
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2008-05-21 12:19:37 UTC
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Post by Hadron
It doesn't need to be accurate. Everyone knows its "around" the 1%
mark (I think less) since just peering over shoulders shows Linux to be
almost no where. If the advocates in COLA stopped telling lies and tried
some real advocacy then maybe this would change.
You wouldn't know advocacy if it bit you on the ass, Quack, so stfu.
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chrisv
2008-05-21 12:51:06 UTC
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Post by Hadron
It doesn't need to be accurate. Everyone knows its "around" the 1%
mark (I think less) since just peering over shoulders shows Linux to be
almost no where. If the advocates in COLA stopped telling lies and tried
some real advocacy then maybe this would change.
Listen up, shithead. A bald-faced LIAR like you has got no right to
be pointing fingers at others. What filthy liars like you call "lies"
from the advocates are often merely arguable estimates.

Just because some advocates may be a bit unrealistic does mean "the
advocates are telling lies", you fscking POS.
DFS
2008-05-21 13:14:02 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by Hadron
It doesn't need to be accurate. Everyone knows its "around" the 1%
mark (I think less) since just peering over shoulders shows Linux
to be almost no where. If the advocates in COLA stopped telling
lies and tried some real advocacy then maybe this would change.
Listen up, shithead. A bald-faced LIAR like you has got no right to
be pointing fingers at others. What filthy liars like you call "lies"
from the advocates are often merely arguable estimates.
lmao!
Post by chrisv
Just because some advocates may be a bit unrealistic
Yeah, just a wee bit.
Post by chrisv
does mean "the advocates are telling lies"
Hey, you got something right for a change! Good job, moron!
Post by chrisv
, you fscking POS.
chrisv, you're a petulant loser in real life every bit as much as you're a
petulant loser on cola.
Moshe. Goldfarb
2008-05-21 16:13:58 UTC
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Post by Hadron
Post by raylopez99
Yep, Linux is dead. Long live Linux. And Amiga. And 8-track
cassettes. And disco.
RL
Recent statistics released by W3Counter reveal that the market share
of Windows 98 fell from 1.44 percent to 1.34 percent in August,
reducing it to the same level of popularity as the open source Linux
operating system, which saw its market share increase from 1.33 to
1.34 in the same period. If the steady downward trend in Windows 98's
market share continues, the popularity of Linux will soon surpass that
of Microsoft's outdated, nine-year-old Windows version.
This is a somewhat empty victory for Linux enthusiasts, who have been
predicting the imminent arrival of the mythical "year of the Linux
desktop" for as long as I've been a Linux user. Linux's 1.34 percent
market share falls far short of the rosy 2008 estimates made by
Siemens in 2003.
The W3Counter's statistics, which are based on the web browser user
agent text of 33 million unique visitors to over 5 thousand web sites,
also show that Mac OS X (3.73 percent) is still more popular than
Windows Vista (3.46 percent) and is quickly catching up to Windows
2000 (3.94 percent). Within a year, we expect Vista to surpass both of
these readily.
Although market share statistics can provide valuable insight into
software adoption trends, no method of gathering such information is
completely reliable. One can often get a clearer picture by comparing
statistics from multiple sources. Net Applications, which also
provides monthly operating system market share statistics, shows Linux
at 0.77 percent in August and Windows 98 at 0.98 percent.
That ties in with the BBC's figures of 0.8%. Anecdotal evidence
suggests Linux to be less than 1% on desktops.
Just about every site has Linux pegged at less than 1 percent, and it's
been like this for 10+ years.

Except Roy Schestowitz's site which he claims has Linux at 44.6 percent.

http://digg.com/linux_unix/All_time_High_for_GNU_Linux_44_6_Market_Share
Post by Hadron
Post by raylopez99
Although the popularity of Linux still doesn't rival that of Mac OS X
or Windows on the desktop, the open-source operating system is
accumulating broader industry support, a factor that could potentially
lead to modest market share increases in the coming months. Dell, HP,
and Lenovo are all offering Linux preinstalled on desktop or laptop
systems in select markets, available to end users, and reportedly well-
configured. We have some coming into the lab for a test, so stay
tuned.
-
How Can Linux Market Share Be Accurately Measured?
listen
Friday October 26, 2007 12:34PM
by Caitlyn Martin in Articles
eWeek ran an article yesterday titled Linux Losing Market Share to
Windows Server. The article quoted IDC sales figures.
It doesn't need to be accurate. Everyone knows its "around" the 1%
mark (I think less) since just peering over shoulders shows Linux to be
almost no where. If the advocates in COLA stopped telling lies and tried
some real advocacy then maybe this would change.
So much for that theory.
In COLA the *advocates* are far too busy worrying about Microsoft to
advocate Linux.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
High Plains Thumper
2008-05-21 10:32:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by raylopez99
Yep, Linux is dead. Long live Linux. And Amiga. And 8-track
cassettes. And disco.
<SNIP>
Post by raylopez99
The W3Counter's statistics, which are based on the web browser
user agent text of 33 million unique visitors to over 5
thousand web sites, also show that Mac OS X (3.73 percent) is
still more popular than Windows Vista (3.46 percent) and is
quickly catching up to Windows 2000 (3.94 percent). Within a
year, we expect Vista to surpass both of these readily.
Fallacy of using the W3 Schools statistics only takes into
account a small sampling of websites, does not correctly tally
Linux and Unix computers identified as Windows computers, to gain
access to Windows only accessibility requirements. It also does
not take into account proxy access, which an IP address may be
used multiple times by multiple machines.

Here is an enigma. Following is voluntary registration by
country, of Linux users. Why is US showing the greatest amount
at 24,049 registered users? By far, the greatest quantity of
Linux users is outside US. It goes to show that use of web
access statistics do not reflect INSTALLED BASE.

http://counter.li.org/reports/place.php

Users Name
21 Afghanistan
22 Albania
321 Algeria
40 Andorra
17 Angola
22 Antarctica
7 Antigua and Barbuda
1972 Argentina
25 Armenia
8 Aruba
2259 Australia
1325 Austria
23 Azerbaijan
8 Bahamas
32 Bahrain
108 Bangladesh
8 Barbados
187 Belarus
1605 Belgium
13 Belize
2 Benin
2 Bermuda
2 Bhutan
142 Bolivia
169 Bosnia and Herzegovina
3 Botswana
9876 Brasil
11 Brunei
1103 Bulgaria
4 Burkina Faso
1 Burundi
6 Cambodia
11 Cameroon
4013 Canada
4 Cape Verde
4 Chad
2104 Chile
718 China
1156 Colombia
1 Congo
1 Cook Islands
401 Costa Rica
13 Cote d'Ivoire
273 Croatia
499 Cuba
46 Cyprus
965 Czech Republic
4 Democratic Republic of Congo
1990 Denmark
5 Dominica
119 Dominican Republic
16 East Timor (Timor Leste)
344 Ecuador
382 Egypt
179 El Salvador
5 Eritrea
471 Estonia
17 Ethiopia
30 Faroe Islands (Føroyar)
7 Fiji
2298 Finland
5483 France
7 French Guiana
6 French Polynesia
2 French Southern Territories
1 Gabon
31 Georgia
9515 Germany
21 Ghana
4 Gibraltar
570 Greece
8 Greenland
1 Grenada
269 Guatemala
5 Guinea
5 Guyana
4 Haiti
1 Heard and McDonald Islands
35 Honduras
1300 Hungary
121 Iceland
2790 India
1488 Indonesia
279 Iran
29 Iraq
490 Ireland
432 Israel
7681 Italy
20 Jamaica
236 Japan
71 Jordan
77 Kazakhstan
56 Kenya
1 Kiribati
159 Korea, Republic of
41 Kuwait
7 Kyrgyzstan
6 Laos
148 Latvia
77 Lebanon
2 Lesotho
25 Libya
10 Liechtenstein
223 Lithuania
80 Luxembourg
93 Macedonia
9 Madagascar
10 Malawi
331 Malaysia
22 Maldives
12 Mali
48 Malta
14 Martinique
3 Mauritania
26 Mauritius
2 Mayotte
2310 Mexico
58 Moldova
3 Monaco
6 Mongolia
12 Montenegro
3 Montserrat
152 Morocco
6 Mozambique
21 Myanmar
17 Namibia
1 Nauru
3043 Nederland
61 Nepal
11 Netherlands Antilles
7 New Caledonia
677 New Zealand (Aotearoa)
94 Nicaragua
2 Niger
62 Nigeria
1 Norfolk Island
1539 Norway
24 Oman
297 Pakistan
51 Palestine
61 Panama
3 Papua New Guinea
79 Paraguay
452 Peru
1042 Philippines
1 Pitcairn Islands
7629 Poland
856 Portugal
132 Puerto Rico
22 Qatar
33 Reunion
1351 Romania
2927 Russia
2 Rwanda
2 Saint Lucia
8 San Marino
1 Sao Tome and Principe
255 Saudi Arabia
11 Senegal
349 Serbia
3 Seychelles
1 Sierra Leone
206 Singapore
320 Slovakia
319 Slovenia
1 Solomon Islands
5 Somalia
2732 Somewhere
727 South Africa
6515 Spain
92 Sri Lanka
44 Sudan
18 Suriname
1 Svalbard and Jan Mayen
1 Swaziland
2208 Sweden
1220 Switzerland
61 Syria
10 Tajikistan
18 Tanzania
143 Thailand
2 The Kingdom of Tonga
3 Togo
1 Tokelau
23 Trinidad and Tobago
146 Tunisia
762 Turkey
1 Turkmenistan
1 Turks and Caicos Islands
2 Tuvalu
12 Uganda
1007 Ukraine
84 United Arab Emirates
5325 United Kingdom
24049 United States Of America
272 Uruguay
45 Uzbekistan
1606 Venezuela
84 VietNam [Vie^.t Nam]
1 Virgin Islands (British)
4 Western Sahara
27 Yemen
9 Zambia
17 Zimbabwe
228 台灣 - Taiwan

Time to wake up and smell the coffee!

http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/7386/469

[quote]
EU: Schools increase use of Open Source
Open Source News - 26 February 2008 - EU and Europe-wide - General

Schools using GNU/Linux or other Open Source systems for desktop
PCs are no longer rare, though in many countries their numbers
are very low. Not so in India, Macedonia, the Philippines, Russia
and Turkey, where hundreds of thousands of pupils are becoming
familiar with Open Source.

This type of software will become more prominent in education,
expects Datamonitor, a research firm. In a report published last
month it predicts that spending on Open Source software,
including maintenance and services, by the education sector
globally will reach $489.9 million by 2012, compared to $286.2
million today.

[....]

However popular these laptops may become, the number of Western
European classrooms were Open Source software is being used
daily, is dwarfed by those in countries like Macedonia, Turkey
and Russia.

In Macedonia, a 180.000 PCs running the GNU/Linux distribution
Ubuntu are being deployed in schools across the country. In
Turkey all students aged 11 and 12 will find Open Source on their
schools PCs as an option next to Microsoft Windows. And in
Russia, the government last year decided to migrate all schools
to GNU/Linux, a move that should be completed by 2009.
[/quote]

Such a threat to the Microsoft Corporation it is, that Chairman
Gates with his little Redmond book made the following statement:

[quote]
The increasing popularity of Open Source is one possible reason
for Microsoft chairman Bill Gates' recent announcement in Davos
to increase the companies' activities in the education market.
"Over the next three years we want to double the number of
students we get to and the number of teachers we get to, to
address the opportunity there."
[/quote]

Imagine that, 180,000 PC's, all with Linux installed. This is
just one country, but then there are others.

No wonder why Venezuela's Banco Mercantil and Northern California
Windsor School District have decided on Linux and Open Source,
along with all these (Linux deployment sampler, incomplete):

20,000 Singapore Ministry of Defence
3,500,000 India
80,000 Extremadura, Spain
80,000 Générale des Impôts, France
62,000 Ministry of Equipment, France
1,154 Parliament, France
4,000 Federal Public Justice Service, Belgium
600 Central Bank, Turkey
300 Scientific and Technological Research Council, Turkey
1,000 Ministry of Water Resources, Turkey
300 Istanbul City Health Directorate, Turkey
12,000 Lower Saxony Tax Authority, Germany
150 Ministry of Finance, Macedonia
10,000 Department of Justice, Finland
1,500 Metropolitan Court, Budapest, Hungary
58,000 Berlin, Germany
400 Largo City Offices, Florida
14,000 Post Office, Brazil
32,000 Government, Brazil
2,205 North West Province Schools, South Africa
15,000 Ministry of Education, Portugal
20,000 Indianna Department of Education, US
5,000 Macedonia Schools

Here is something said of Windsor:

http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1245710,00.html

or http://tinyurl.com/5p5x5o

[quote]
The new setup also allows for better remote management. "[With
Windows] we had spent half our time driving around; we had to
touch every machine," Carver said. In a school system like
Windsor, all that driving was costing an already strapped IT
department too many resources.

Carver said it cost the district about $2,500 per school to
migrate to Linux, compared with the estimated $100,000 it would
have cost to upgrade their Windows infrastructure. In addition,
buying more Microsoft Office licenses would have cost the
district $100 per license, she said, whereas OpenOffice was free.

Linux as a learning tool

Ultimately, moving to Linux has enabled the Windsor School
District to build out technology capabilities that wouldn't have
been possible with Windows.

"[The students] are able to do more because Linux cost less,"
Carver said. "Our new computer lab [at Brooks] was set to cost
$35,000 and ended up costing us $16,000 with Linux [on thin
clients]."

And the kids love it too. "The kids think Linux is cool because
it's new, but what they're really doing is stepping into the 21st
century," Carver said.
[/quote]

$2,500 per school to migrate to Linux versus $100,000 per school
to upgrade Windows. It is not hard to do the math. OpenOffice
or commercial variant StarOffice meets most office automation
needs. It reads Office 2003 files and imports them. No one
wants Office 2007 formats, since they are even incompatible with
earlier Office variants.
--
HPT
Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green
cc
2008-05-21 12:17:36 UTC
Permalink
On May 21, 6:32 am, High Plains Thumper
Post by High Plains Thumper
Yep, Linux is dead.  Long live Linux.  And Amiga.  And 8-track
 cassettes.  And disco.
<SNIP>
The W3Counter's statistics, which are based on the web browser
user agent text of 33 million unique visitors to over 5
thousand web sites, also show that Mac OS X (3.73 percent) is
still more popular than Windows Vista (3.46 percent) and is
quickly catching up to Windows 2000 (3.94 percent). Within a
year, we expect Vista to surpass both of these readily.
Fallacy of using the W3 Schools statistics only takes into
account a small sampling of websites, does not correctly tally
Linux and Unix computers identified as Windows computers, to gain
access to Windows only accessibility requirements.  It also does
not take into account proxy access, which an IP address may be
used multiple times by multiple machines.
Proxy access affects all OSes equally. So, this does not affect the
Linux count any more than it affects Windows. Or Mac OS X. And so very
few websites have Windows only accessibility requirements any more. So
there would be a small margin of error, but that's in any sampling.
You have yet to show why web stats are invalid. Try again nymshifter.
Hadron
2008-05-21 12:21:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by cc
On May 21, 6:32 am, High Plains Thumper
Post by High Plains Thumper
Yep, Linux is dead.  Long live Linux.  And Amiga.  And 8-track
 cassettes.  And disco.
<SNIP>
The W3Counter's statistics, which are based on the web browser
user agent text of 33 million unique visitors to over 5
thousand web sites, also show that Mac OS X (3.73 percent) is
still more popular than Windows Vista (3.46 percent) and is
quickly catching up to Windows 2000 (3.94 percent). Within a
year, we expect Vista to surpass both of these readily.
Fallacy of using the W3 Schools statistics only takes into
account a small sampling of websites, does not correctly tally
Linux and Unix computers identified as Windows computers, to gain
access to Windows only accessibility requirements.  It also does
not take into account proxy access, which an IP address may be
used multiple times by multiple machines.
Proxy access affects all OSes equally. So, this does not affect the
Linux count any more than it affects Windows. Or Mac OS X. And so very
few websites have Windows only accessibility requirements any more. So
there would be a small margin of error, but that's in any sampling.
You have yet to show why web stats are invalid. Try again nymshifter.
The idiot known as HPT (for now) also forgets that W3Schools is more likely to
have Linux visitors as Linux visitors tend to be more technically
orientated.
--
If you take both of those factors together then WinXP is a flop, selling
*less* than Win 98 by a factor of two.
comp.os.linux.advocacy - where they the lunacy in advocacy
Moshe. Goldfarb
2008-05-21 16:18:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hadron
The idiot known as HPT (for now) also forgets that W3Schools is more likely to
have Linux visitors as Linux visitors tend to be more technically
orientated.
Especially with all of these articles posted in COLA about Linux taking
over school districts and the educational system.

See how the Linux loons talk out of both sides of their pus filled mouths?
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
High Plains Thumper
2008-05-22 01:27:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by Hadron
The idiot known as HPT (for now) also forgets that W3Schools
is more likely to have Linux visitors as Linux visitors tend
to be more technically orientated.
HPT filling in as proxy during Peter Kohlmann's absence:

Way to go Hadron, "Usenet etiquette provocateur", "true Linux
advocate", "Debian distro governor", "kernel hacker", "emacs
user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk
server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician",
"hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka
Richard, aka Damian O'Leary.

Not true. Look at the demography:

http://w3schools.com/about/about_pagehits.asp

[quote]
Visitors Demographics
Origin Percent
United States 42.1 %
India 10.1 %
United Kingdom 8.0 %
Canada 4.7 %
Netherlands 2.5 %
Australia 2.3 %
Germany 2.0 %
Sweden 1.7 %
France 1.7 %
Spain 1.4 %
Italy 1.3 %
Singapore 1.3 %
Brazil 1.2 %
Philippines 1.1 %
Hong Kong 1.1 %
Poland 1.0 %
[/quote]

US has greatest number of visits at 42.1%, which is heavily
Windows oriented. Other countries that have a higher Linux and
Unix count are under represented. Not all access the internet
has heavily as the US. Therefore, to utilise such statistics as
indicative of Linux installed base leads to erroneous results.
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Especially with all of these articles posted in COLA about
Linux taking over school districts and the educational system.
See how the Linux loons talk out of both sides of their pus
filled mouths?
Interesting that PhlatPhish must resort to potty mouth tactics to
express an opinion, because he has nothing worthy to say.
--
HPT
DFS
2008-05-22 04:28:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by High Plains Thumper
Way to go Hadron, "Usenet etiquette provocateur", "true Linux
advocate", "Debian distro governor", "kernel hacker", "emacs
user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk
server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician",
"hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka
Richard, aka Damian O'Leary.
Is this what you call a "pungent" insult, hypocrite?
High Plains Thumper
2008-05-23 01:22:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by DFS
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by Hadron
The idiot known as HPT (for now) also forgets that
W3Schools is more likely to have Linux visitors as Linux
visitors tend to be more technically orientated.
[....] Way to go Hadron, "Usenet etiquette provocateur",
"true Linux advocate", "Debian distro governor", "kernel
hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist",
"CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional",
"newsreader magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator",
"email sage" and "OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron
Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary.
Is this what you call a "pungent" insult, hypocrite?
See below.
Post by DFS
http://w3schools.com/about/about_pagehits.asp
[quote]
Visitors Demographics
Origin Percent
United States 42.1 %
India 10.1 %
United Kingdom 8.0 %
Canada 4.7 %
Netherlands 2.5 %
Australia 2.3 %
Germany 2.0 %
Sweden 1.7 %
France 1.7 %
Spain 1.4 %
Italy 1.3 %
Singapore 1.3 %
Brazil 1.2 %
Philippines 1.1 %
Hong Kong 1.1 %
Poland 1.0 %
[/quote]
US has greatest number of visits at 42.1%, which is heavily
Windows oriented. Other countries that have a higher Linux
and Unix count are under represented. Not all access the
internet has heavily as the US. Therefore, to utilise such
statistics as indicative of Linux installed base leads to
erroneous results.
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Especially with all of these articles posted in COLA about
Linux taking over school districts and the educational
system.
See how the Linux loons talk out of both sides of their
pus filled mouths?
Interesting that PhlatPhish must resort to potty mouth
tactics to express an opinion, because he has nothing worthy
to say.
Regarding DFS' comment
Post by DFS
Is this what you call a "pungent" insult, hypocrite?
above:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/

[quote]
7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics

[3.] Put your opponent off guard by insulting him. The liberal
use of profanity and vulgarisms can be very effective,
particularly when used against you more dignified opponents.
Your experience as a school yard bully can be handy here.

45. Criticize Linux Advocates but ignore anti-Linux
propagandist transgressions. Always criticize the behavior of
Linux Advocates, but, ignore the same and even worse
transgressions are being committed by your fellow Trespassers.
[/quote]

Example:

From: "DFS" <***@dfs_.com>
Subject: Re: Microsoft to *pay* users to use their product! (I
like it!)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 23:41:06 -0400

[quote]
Post by DFS
That's right, you should limit your job options for your
principles regarding freedom and choice in software!
Yes, that's right loser hypocrite. You should.

And if you don't make such a stand, then the principles you
"advocates" pretend to care about - software freedom and choice
and hatred of "evil and corrupt" Microsoft - aren't anywhere near
as valuable to you as your years of silly cola shouting and
name-calling would indicate, and you should shut your lying pieholes.

This is especially true of Rex Ballard, Linocrite, [H]ypocrite,
Ian Hilliard, fliar, 7, Spamowitz, Peter Kohlmann, Mark Kent,
HPT, etc
[/quote]
--
HPT
Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green
High Plains Thumper
2008-05-22 01:48:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by cc
Post by High Plains Thumper
Fallacy of using the W3 Schools statistics only takes into
account a small sampling of websites, does not correctly
tally Linux and Unix computers identified as Windows
computers, to gain access to Windows only accessibility
requirements. It also does not take into account proxy
access, which an IP address may be used multiple times by
multiple machines.
Proxy access affects all OSes equally. So, this does not
affect the Linux count any more than it affects Windows. Or
Mac OS X. And so very few websites have Windows only
accessibility requirements any more. So there would be a small
margin of error, but that's in any sampling. You have yet to
show why web stats are invalid. Try again nymshifter.
Well, have another troll with a problem of illiteracy, who homes
in on one small item and ignores the post in total. Then must
use insulting language to show his obnoxiousness.
Post by cc
Post by High Plains Thumper
FALLACY OF USING THE W3 SCHOOLS STATISTICS ONLY TAKES INTO
ACCOUNT A SMALL SAMPLING OF WEBSITES, DOES NOT CORRECTLY
TALLY LINUX AND UNIX COMPUTERS IDENTIFIED AS WINDOWS
COMPUTERS, TO GAIN ACCESS TO WINDOWS ONLY ACCESSIBILITY
REQUIREMENTS.
http://w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

[quote]
Statistics Are Often Misleading

You cannot - as a web developer - rely only on statistics.
Statistics can often be misleading.

Global averages may not always be relevant to your web site.
Different sites attract different audiences. Some web sites
attract professional developers using professional hardware,
while other sites attract hobbyists using old low spec computers.

Quotes

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
Benjamin Disraeli
[/quote]

OTOH, perhaps Microsoft is giving a boost to Apple, to increase
OSX count over Linux:

http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=3310914&SiteID=17

[quote]
Pete of New Hamphire

Windows SP3 operating system identification error

Downloaded and successfully installed SP3. System shutdown and
restarted as required. Restart was successful.

I then tried to go back to the update page to see if any
additional updates exist. The MS Update page identified my
operating system as a Mac system and provided the link to the MAC
site for update purposes.

The message reads: Thank you for your interest in obtaining
updates from our site. This website is designed to work with
Microsoft Windows operating systems only. To find updates for
Microsoft products that are designed for Macintosh operating
systems, please visit http://www.microsoft.com/mac/.

My system is an XP Pro on a Dell 670

How can this be corrected?
[/quote]
--
HPT
Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green
cc
2008-05-22 10:53:04 UTC
Permalink
On May 21, 9:48 pm, High Plains Thumper
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by cc
Post by High Plains Thumper
Fallacy of using the W3 Schools statistics only takes into
account a small sampling of websites, does not correctly
tally Linux and Unix computers identified as Windows
computers, to gain access to Windows only accessibility
requirements.  It also does not take into account proxy
access, which an IP address may be used multiple times by
multiple machines.
Proxy access affects all OSes equally. So, this does not
affect the Linux count any more than it affects Windows. Or
Mac OS X. And so very few websites have Windows only
accessibility requirements any more. So there would be a small
margin of error, but that's in any sampling. You have yet to
show why web stats are invalid. Try again nymshifter.
Well, have another troll with a problem of illiteracy, who homes
in on one small item and ignores the post in total.  Then must
use insulting language to show his obnoxiousness.
Post by cc
Post by High Plains Thumper
FALLACY OF USING THE W3 SCHOOLS STATISTICS ONLY TAKES INTO
ACCOUNT A SMALL SAMPLING OF WEBSITES, DOES NOT CORRECTLY
TALLY LINUX AND UNIX COMPUTERS IDENTIFIED AS WINDOWS
COMPUTERS, TO GAIN ACCESS TO WINDOWS ONLY ACCESSIBILITY
REQUIREMENTS.
http://w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
Repeating what you wrote is not defending your point. What websites
have windows only accessibility requirements any more? Also, of course
W3 only takes into account a small sampling of websites. That's what
statistics is.
Post by High Plains Thumper
[quote]
Statistics Are Often Misleading
You cannot - as a web developer - rely only on statistics.
Statistics can often be misleading.
Global averages may not always be relevant to your web site.
Different sites attract different audiences. Some web sites
attract professional developers using professional hardware,
while other sites attract hobbyists using old low spec computers.
Quotes
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
Benjamin Disraeli
[/quote]
Well no shit! You mean statistics can sometimes be invalid? Well
you've just rocked the world of everyone in this newsgroup. Here's how
you can easily make up statistics. Claim that statistic X (lets say X
stands for 1.3%) are wrong because they are calculated incorrectly,
provide no evidence other than your statement that they are incorrect.
Claim that statistic Y (lets say Y stands for 20%), is correct,
provide no evidence other than your statement that Y is correct. When
questioned about why X is wrong and Y is right, post a quote saying
that statistics can be misleading.

The fact is almost all web stats you find have Linux 5% or less. It's
a significant number, so I don't know why there is so much argument
over it. But no one can find any evidence of Linux being much higher.
All you can do is post half-assed attempts at refuting how they
arrived at those numbers.
Moshe. Goldfarb
2008-05-22 16:09:04 UTC
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Post by cc
The fact is almost all web stats you find have Linux 5% or less. It's
a significant number, so I don't know why there is so much argument
over it. But no one can find any evidence of Linux being much higher.
All you can do is post half-assed attempts at refuting how they
arrived at those numbers.
That's the point.
No matter where you look, except Roy's site where he claims 44.6 percent of
people are using Linux, and highly Linux specific sites, the numbers come
out about the same and put Linux at less than 1 percent of the desktop.

That is pathetic after 10 years.
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The Ghost In The Machine
2008-05-22 17:22:50 UTC
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Moshe. Goldfarb
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wrote
on Thu, 22 May 2008 12:09:04 -0400
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by cc
The fact is almost all web stats you find have Linux 5% or less. It's
a significant number, so I don't know why there is so much argument
over it. But no one can find any evidence of Linux being much higher.
All you can do is post half-assed attempts at refuting how they
arrived at those numbers.
That's the point.
No matter where you look, except Roy's site where he claims 44.6 percent of
people are using Linux, and highly Linux specific sites, the numbers come
out about the same and put Linux at less than 1 percent of the desktop.
That is pathetic after 10 years.
16+. Linux was first released in 1991, and vaguely usable
(if primitive) distros followed very soon afterwards. Vista's
adoption rate will result in every desktop getting it in about
5 years; what's taking *us* so long? The answer is probably a
simple one: Microsoft is the more recognized, better solution.
(FSVO "better", but people *know* it, and can compensate for
its shortcomings. Linux is the angel in the shadows; one doesn't
know if it's truly an angel, or a demon.)
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2008-05-22 17:53:26 UTC
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Post by The Ghost In The Machine
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Moshe. Goldfarb
on Thu, 22 May 2008 12:09:04 -0400
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by cc
The fact is almost all web stats you find have Linux 5% or less. It's
a significant number, so I don't know why there is so much argument
over it. But no one can find any evidence of Linux being much higher.
All you can do is post half-assed attempts at refuting how they
arrived at those numbers.
That's the point.
No matter where you look, except Roy's site where he claims 44.6 percent of
people are using Linux, and highly Linux specific sites, the numbers come
out about the same and put Linux at less than 1 percent of the desktop.
That is pathetic after 10 years.
16+. Linux was first released in 1991, and vaguely usable
(if primitive) distros followed very soon afterwards. Vista's
adoption rate will result in every desktop getting it in about
5 years; what's taking *us* so long? The answer is probably a
simple one: Microsoft is the more recognized, better solution.
(FSVO "better", but people *know* it, and can compensate for
its shortcomings. Linux is the angel in the shadows; one doesn't
know if it's truly an angel, or a demon.)
I was being generous as Linux was pretty much unusable 16+ years ago.

Ask any business how they compete with *free*.
They will tell you they can't.

The only condition is that the free product has to at least be of equal
value or offer the user something of a better experience than the
commercial product.

If Sandisk gave away their players for free, how long would iPod be the
king of the hill?
--
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The Ghost In The Machine
2008-05-22 18:30:11 UTC
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Moshe. Goldfarb
<***@gmail.com>
wrote
on Thu, 22 May 2008 13:53:26 -0400
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by The Ghost In The Machine
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Moshe. Goldfarb
on Thu, 22 May 2008 12:09:04 -0400
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by cc
The fact is almost all web stats you find have Linux 5% or less. It's
a significant number, so I don't know why there is so much argument
over it. But no one can find any evidence of Linux being much higher.
All you can do is post half-assed attempts at refuting how they
arrived at those numbers.
That's the point.
No matter where you look, except Roy's site where he claims 44.6 percent of
people are using Linux, and highly Linux specific sites, the numbers come
out about the same and put Linux at less than 1 percent of the desktop.
That is pathetic after 10 years.
16+. Linux was first released in 1991, and vaguely usable
(if primitive) distros followed very soon afterwards. Vista's
adoption rate will result in every desktop getting it in about
5 years; what's taking *us* so long? The answer is probably a
simple one: Microsoft is the more recognized, better solution.
(FSVO "better", but people *know* it, and can compensate for
its shortcomings. Linux is the angel in the shadows; one doesn't
know if it's truly an angel, or a demon.)
I was being generous as Linux was pretty much unusable 16+ years ago.
And still is, AFAICT, according to you.
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Ask any business how they compete with *free*.
They will tell you they can't.
Microsoft can. But then, Windows is free [+] on
every desktop [+], and Windows brings value [+] thereonto.
(One might quibble as to how much, but a desktop with
Windows is clearly better than a quasi-naked PC [*].
Of course that quasi-naked PC can become a desktop with
<insert Linux distro> easily enough, which sets up a
different comparison; many would say the PC with <insert
Linux distro> has more value than the same PC with Windows,
and it might, for them [and as it so happens, for me].)
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
The only condition is that the free product has to at least be of equal
value or offer the user something of a better experience than the
commercial product.
Which it doesn't, AFAICT, according to you.
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
If Sandisk gave away their players for free, how long would iPod be the
king of the hill?
iPod is cream of the crop. Sandisk is not. Whether
that's because of Apple's marketing, technical prowess,
quality assurance and control, or just plain good luck,
I for one can't say.

[+] FSVO.

[*] quasi-naked because the BIOS is in a ROM in every unit;
therefore it's not truly naked. There are some units whose
ROM is field-replaceable with a Linux kernel-based variant;
others such as certain brand-new ASUS units already have
a Linux BIOS. These new units will introduce some quirks
into the market, though I suspect many will just install
XP or Vista thereonto anyway.
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JEDIDIAH
2008-05-22 21:06:57 UTC
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Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by The Ghost In The Machine
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Moshe. Goldfarb
on Thu, 22 May 2008 12:09:04 -0400
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by cc
The fact is almost all web stats you find have Linux 5% or less. It's
a significant number, so I don't know why there is so much argument
over it. But no one can find any evidence of Linux being much higher.
All you can do is post half-assed attempts at refuting how they
arrived at those numbers.
That's the point.
No matter where you look, except Roy's site where he claims 44.6 percent of
people are using Linux, and highly Linux specific sites, the numbers come
out about the same and put Linux at less than 1 percent of the desktop.
That is pathetic after 10 years.
16+. Linux was first released in 1991, and vaguely usable
(if primitive) distros followed very soon afterwards. Vista's
adoption rate will result in every desktop getting it in about
5 years; what's taking *us* so long? The answer is probably a
simple one: Microsoft is the more recognized, better solution.
(FSVO "better", but people *know* it, and can compensate for
its shortcomings. Linux is the angel in the shadows; one doesn't
know if it's truly an angel, or a demon.)
I was being generous as Linux was pretty much unusable 16+ years ago.
Ask any business how they compete with *free*.
They will tell you they can't.
...unless there is some sort of externality preventing the customer
from freely moving from one competing product to another.

Perhaps something like "compatability"...

Your point would make some sense if operating systems existed in a void.
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
The only condition is that the free product has to at least be of equal
value or offer the user something of a better experience than the
commercial product.
If Sandisk gave away their players for free, how long would iPod be the
king of the hill?
Is it fully compatable with ALL of the files that an iPod user might
have accumulated while being an iPod user?
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2008-05-23 03:22:12 UTC
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Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by The Ghost In The Machine
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Moshe. Goldfarb
on Thu, 22 May 2008 12:09:04 -0400
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by cc
The fact is almost all web stats you find have Linux 5% or less. It's
a significant number, so I don't know why there is so much argument
over it. But no one can find any evidence of Linux being much higher.
All you can do is post half-assed attempts at refuting how they
arrived at those numbers.
That's the point.
No matter where you look, except Roy's site where he claims 44.6 percent of
people are using Linux, and highly Linux specific sites, the numbers come
out about the same and put Linux at less than 1 percent of the desktop.
That is pathetic after 10 years.
16+. Linux was first released in 1991, and vaguely usable
(if primitive) distros followed very soon afterwards. Vista's
adoption rate will result in every desktop getting it in about
5 years; what's taking *us* so long? The answer is probably a
simple one: Microsoft is the more recognized, better solution.
(FSVO "better", but people *know* it, and can compensate for
its shortcomings. Linux is the angel in the shadows; one doesn't
know if it's truly an angel, or a demon.)
I was being generous as Linux was pretty much unusable 16+ years ago.
Ask any business how they compete with *free*.
They will tell you they can't.
...unless there is some sort of externality preventing the customer
from freely moving from one competing product to another.
Perhaps something like "compatability"...
That's Linux's problem.
And as far as compatibility is concerned, Linux can read email, browse the
web, interact with most Office documents, do rudimentary multimedia etc.

The problem is, for the most part, it doesn't do any of this better than
Windows.
And it is a far worse experience in many respects, decent context
hyperlinked help systems for one.
Linux rarely has decent help systems.

Sorry, but Linux's problem is that it does not offer the user anything to
entice them to switch other than being free and obviously even that is not
enough.
Post by JEDIDIAH
Your point would make some sense if operating systems existed in a void.
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
The only condition is that the free product has to at least be of equal
value or offer the user something of a better experience than the
commercial product.
If Sandisk gave away their players for free, how long would iPod be the
king of the hill?
Is it fully compatable with ALL of the files that an iPod user might
have accumulated while being an iPod user?
It wouldn't matter.
People would convert, reload, do whatever they needed to in order to get
the free player.
But ONLY if it was at least as good as the iPod.
It doesn't have to be "compatible" as evidenced by other units that sell
well.
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JEDIDIAH
2008-05-23 15:23:13 UTC
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Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by The Ghost In The Machine
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Moshe. Goldfarb
on Thu, 22 May 2008 12:09:04 -0400
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by cc
The fact is almost all web stats you find have Linux 5% or less. It's
a significant number, so I don't know why there is so much argument
over it. But no one can find any evidence of Linux being much higher.
All you can do is post half-assed attempts at refuting how they
arrived at those numbers.
That's the point.
No matter where you look, except Roy's site where he claims 44.6 percent of
people are using Linux, and highly Linux specific sites, the numbers come
out about the same and put Linux at less than 1 percent of the desktop.
That is pathetic after 10 years.
16+. Linux was first released in 1991, and vaguely usable
(if primitive) distros followed very soon afterwards. Vista's
adoption rate will result in every desktop getting it in about
5 years; what's taking *us* so long? The answer is probably a
simple one: Microsoft is the more recognized, better solution.
(FSVO "better", but people *know* it, and can compensate for
its shortcomings. Linux is the angel in the shadows; one doesn't
know if it's truly an angel, or a demon.)
I was being generous as Linux was pretty much unusable 16+ years ago.
Ask any business how they compete with *free*.
They will tell you they can't.
...unless there is some sort of externality preventing the customer
from freely moving from one competing product to another.
Perhaps something like "compatability"...
That's Linux's problem.
That's the problem of ANYTHING that's not the CURRENT version of
consumer Windows. This includes a non-consumer version of Windows (NT)
and it includes entirely different operating systems (MacOS) and it
even includes previous versions of consumer Windows (XP).
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
And as far as compatibility is concerned, Linux can read email, browse the
web, interact with most Office documents, do rudimentary multimedia etc.
The problem is, for the most part, it doesn't do any of this better than
Windows.
Sure it does. It doesn't try to second guess you when you play HD content.
You don't have to go to multiple sources to get all of the various codecs
you'll need to play everyone's files. The system will multitask better when
you are using these features so stuff will play better.
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
And it is a far worse experience in many respects, decent context
hyperlinked help systems for one.
Old news. Update your FUD.
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Linux rarely has decent help systems.
Sorry, but Linux's problem is that it does not offer the user anything to
entice them to switch other than being free and obviously even that is not
enough.
Once again, you continue the lie.

The problem isn't Windows versus Linux.

The problem is Windows+(all your 3rd party software) versus Linux.

Macs have the same problem.
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by JEDIDIAH
Your point would make some sense if operating systems existed in a void.
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
The only condition is that the free product has to at least be of equal
value or offer the user something of a better experience than the
commercial product.
If Sandisk gave away their players for free, how long would iPod be the
king of the hill?
Is it fully compatable with ALL of the files that an iPod user might
have accumulated while being an iPod user?
It wouldn't matter.
Of course it would. People PAID money for those AAC files. They still
want to access them.
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
People would convert, reload, do whatever they needed to in order to get
the free player.
But ONLY if it was at least as good as the iPod.
It doesn't have to be "compatible" as evidenced by other units that sell
well.
Apple doesn't control all the content (yet).

mp3 players are by their very nature open.

Operating systems have never been like this.
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2008-05-23 17:39:46 UTC
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, JEDIDIAH
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wrote
on Fri, 23 May 2008 10:23:13 -0500
Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by The Ghost In The Machine
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Moshe. Goldfarb
on Thu, 22 May 2008 12:09:04 -0400
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by cc
The fact is almost all web stats you find have Linux 5% or less. It's
a significant number, so I don't know why there is so much argument
over it. But no one can find any evidence of Linux being much higher.
All you can do is post half-assed attempts at refuting how they
arrived at those numbers.
That's the point.
No matter where you look, except Roy's site where he claims 44.6 percent of
people are using Linux, and highly Linux specific sites, the numbers come
out about the same and put Linux at less than 1 percent of the desktop.
That is pathetic after 10 years.
16+. Linux was first released in 1991, and vaguely usable
(if primitive) distros followed very soon afterwards. Vista's
adoption rate will result in every desktop getting it in about
5 years; what's taking *us* so long? The answer is probably a
simple one: Microsoft is the more recognized, better solution.
(FSVO "better", but people *know* it, and can compensate for
its shortcomings. Linux is the angel in the shadows; one doesn't
know if it's truly an angel, or a demon.)
I was being generous as Linux was pretty much unusable 16+ years ago.
Ask any business how they compete with *free*.
They will tell you they can't.
...unless there is some sort of externality preventing the customer
from freely moving from one competing product to another.
Perhaps something like "compatability"...
That's Linux's problem.
That's the problem of ANYTHING that's not the CURRENT version of
consumer Windows. This includes a non-consumer version of Windows (NT)
and it includes entirely different operating systems (MacOS) and it
even includes previous versions of consumer Windows (XP).
It may be our problem. We assume Windows is the default
solution, and act accordingly. (I use "we" in the general
sense. Me, I would have to think about it. You, I don't
know but presumably you'd also have to weigh the options.
As for Moshe...he's brainwashed; "Windows Uber Alles".
;-) Others probably think of a computer as a super-dee-duper
toaster or coffee maker; just plug it in and go -- never mind
what's already in it, as long as they can do what they need to.)
Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
And as far as compatibility is concerned, Linux can read email, browse the
web, interact with most Office documents, do rudimentary multimedia etc.
The problem is, for the most part, it doesn't do any of this better than
Windows.
Sure it does. It doesn't try to second guess you when you play HD content.
You don't have to go to multiple sources to get all of the various codecs
you'll need to play everyone's files. The system will multitask better when
you are using these features so stuff will play better.
This isn't a Linux feature; this sounds more like an organizational
decision made by many distros. Gentoo in particular allows
for downloading codecs from the portage tree, making it convenient
for the installer. Presumably those maintaining the tree had to
scour at one point for the codecs.

A very good feature, nonetheless.
Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
And it is a far worse experience in many respects, decent context
hyperlinked help systems for one.
Old news. Update your FUD.
I'd say Linux help is still a bit spotty, but I'd also say I don't have
to use it that often. One problem Linux has is that one needs to know
'man', 'info', and in some cases browsing; this isn't the most
integrated of help systems. Fortunately, Windows isn't much better.
Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Linux rarely has decent help systems.
Sorry, but Linux's problem is that it does not offer the user anything to
entice them to switch other than being free and obviously even that is not
enough.
Once again, you continue the lie.
The problem isn't Windows versus Linux.
The problem is Windows+(all your 3rd party software) versus Linux.
Macs have the same problem.
True. Of course Macs have an interesting solution; my boss in
particular has a VmWare or some such running *within* the Mac, and can
flip back and forth between them without interruption.

That's very neat packaging. (The Linux equivalent might
be QEMU, VmWare, or Bochs, and I'm not sure it's quite as
slick, though QEMU works reasonably well.)
Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by JEDIDIAH
Your point would make some sense if operating systems existed in a void.
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
The only condition is that the free product has to at least be of equal
value or offer the user something of a better experience than the
commercial product.
If Sandisk gave away their players for free, how long would iPod be the
king of the hill?
Is it fully compatable with ALL of the files that an iPod user might
have accumulated while being an iPod user?
It wouldn't matter.
Of course it would. People PAID money for those AAC files. They still
want to access them.
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
People would convert, reload, do whatever they needed to in order to get
the free player.
But ONLY if it was at least as good as the iPod.
It doesn't have to be "compatible" as evidenced by other units that sell
well.
Apple doesn't control all the content (yet).
mp3 players are by their very nature open.
Operating systems have never been like this.
It's a competitive mess.
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cc
2008-05-22 23:37:38 UTC
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Post by cc
The fact is almost all web stats you find have Linux 5% or less. It's
a significant number, so I don't know why there is so much argument
over it. But no one can find any evidence of Linux being much higher.
All you can do is post half-assed attempts at refuting how they
arrived at those numbers.
That's the point.
No matter where you look, except Roy's site where he claims 44.6 percent of
people are using Linux,  and highly Linux specific sites, the numbers come
out about the same and put Linux at less than 1 percent of the desktop.
That is pathetic after 10 years.
Well I wouldn't call it pathetic. 1 percent is still pretty
impressive. What I would call pathetic is the attempts to discredit
any ideas for the advancement of Linux with the argument that it's as
good as possible, or that lots of people are using it anyway. One
percent is something to build on.
Moshe. Goldfarb
2008-05-23 03:23:08 UTC
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Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by cc
The fact is almost all web stats you find have Linux 5% or less. It's
a significant number, so I don't know why there is so much argument
over it. But no one can find any evidence of Linux being much higher.
All you can do is post half-assed attempts at refuting how they
arrived at those numbers.
That's the point.
No matter where you look, except Roy's site where he claims 44.6 percent of
people are using Linux,  and highly Linux specific sites, the numbers come
out about the same and put Linux at less than 1 percent of the desktop.
That is pathetic after 10 years.
Well I wouldn't call it pathetic. 1 percent is still pretty
impressive. What I would call pathetic is the attempts to discredit
any ideas for the advancement of Linux with the argument that it's as
good as possible, or that lots of people are using it anyway. One
percent is something to build on.
Sure it is, but it's never going to increase until the Linux community
figures out that 1000+ different versions of Linux is NOT a good thing.
--
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
JEDIDIAH
2008-05-23 15:18:47 UTC
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Post by cc
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by cc
The fact is almost all web stats you find have Linux 5% or less. It's
a significant number, so I don't know why there is so much argument
over it. But no one can find any evidence of Linux being much higher.
All you can do is post half-assed attempts at refuting how they
arrived at those numbers.
That's the point.
No matter where you look, except Roy's site where he claims 44.6 percent of
people are using Linux,  and highly Linux specific sites, the numbers come
out about the same and put Linux at less than 1 percent of the desktop.
That is pathetic after 10 years.
Well I wouldn't call it pathetic. 1 percent is still pretty
impressive. What I would call pathetic is the attempts to discredit
any ideas for the advancement of Linux with the argument that it's as
good as possible, or that lots of people are using it anyway. One
percent is something to build on.
Sure it is, but it's never going to increase until the Linux community
figures out that 1000+ different versions of Linux is NOT a good thing.
It HAS increased despite all of that.

Of course the end user isn't even aware of that "complexity" just as
they aren't aware of all of the other areas in which an OS can be
complex. If it weren't for Trolls that only exist to create FUD, no
one would even be aware of this "too many distros" problem.

Oddly enough, despite all this FUD and nonsense we always come back
to people complaining that the latest east of use distro to take the
community by storm is co-opting Linux.

Redhat did it before and Ubuntu is doing it now.
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2008-05-23 15:25:34 UTC
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Post by cc
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by cc
The fact is almost all web stats you find have Linux 5% or less. It's
a significant number, so I don't know why there is so much argument
over it. But no one can find any evidence of Linux being much higher.
All you can do is post half-assed attempts at refuting how they
arrived at those numbers.
That's the point.
No matter where you look, except Roy's site where he claims 44.6 percent of
people are using Linux,  and highly Linux specific sites, the numbers come
out about the same and put Linux at less than 1 percent of the desktop.
That is pathetic after 10 years.
Well I wouldn't call it pathetic. 1 percent is still pretty
impressive. What I would call pathetic is the attempts to discredit
any ideas for the advancement of Linux with the argument that it's as
good as possible, or that lots of people are using it anyway. One
percent is something to build on.
Sure it is, but it's never going to increase until the Linux community
figures out that 1000+ different versions of Linux is NOT a good thing.
It HAS increased despite all of that.
Of course the end user isn't even aware of that "complexity" just as
they aren't aware of all of the other areas in which an OS can be
complex. If it weren't for Trolls that only exist to create FUD, no
one would even be aware of this "too many distros" problem.
Are you drunk or merely as thick as two short planks? You know full well
that new recruits to LInux are totally confused by all the distros. Who
wouldn't be?
Post by JEDIDIAH
Oddly enough, despite all this FUD and nonsense we always come back
to people complaining that the latest east of use distro to take the
community by storm is co-opting Linux.
Redhat did it before and Ubuntu is doing it now.
Huh? How come there is such a negligibly small uptake of Linux on the
desktop then? 0.6% is certainly not good. Maybe if you take your head
out of the sand and do something to actually *advocate* and *improve*
Linux then this figure would increase.
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2008-05-23 15:55:14 UTC
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Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by cc
The fact is almost all web stats you find have Linux 5% or less. It's
a significant number, so I don't know why there is so much argument
over it. But no one can find any evidence of Linux being much higher.
All you can do is post half-assed attempts at refuting how they
arrived at those numbers.
That's the point.
No matter where you look, except Roy's site where he claims 44.6 percent of
people are using Linux,  and highly Linux specific sites, the numbers come
out about the same and put Linux at less than 1 percent of the desktop.
That is pathetic after 10 years.
Well I wouldn't call it pathetic. 1 percent is still pretty
impressive. What I would call pathetic is the attempts to discredit
any ideas for the advancement of Linux with the argument that it's as
good as possible, or that lots of people are using it anyway. One
percent is something to build on.
Sure it is, but it's never going to increase until the Linux community
figures out that 1000+ different versions of Linux is NOT a good thing.
It HAS increased despite all of that.
Of course the end user isn't even aware of that "complexity" just as
they aren't aware of all of the other areas in which an OS can be
complex. If it weren't for Trolls that only exist to create FUD, no
one would even be aware of this "too many distros" problem.
Are you drunk or merely as thick as two short planks? You know full well
that new recruits to LInux are totally confused by all the distros. Who
wouldn't be?
...anyone that just reads the usual news about Linux.

There aren't 1000+ plus Linux distros mentioned.

There aren't even 10.
Post by Hadron
Post by JEDIDIAH
Oddly enough, despite all this FUD and nonsense we always come back
to people complaining that the latest east of use distro to take the
community by storm is co-opting Linux.
Redhat did it before and Ubuntu is doing it now.
Huh? How come there is such a negligibly small uptake of Linux on the
desktop then? 0.6% is certainly not good. Maybe if you take your head
Your assumption: One common marketing face == success.

This is of course a fallacy.
Post by Hadron
out of the sand and do something to actually *advocate* and *improve*
Linux then this figure would increase.
Counteracting malcious attempts to scare potential new users does well enough.
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2008-05-23 16:04:24 UTC
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Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by Hadron
Post by JEDIDIAH
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by cc
Post by Moshe. Goldfarb
Post by cc
The fact is almost all web stats you find have Linux 5% or less. It's
a significant number, so I don't know why there is so much argument
over it. But no one can find any evidence of Linux being much higher.
All you can do is post half-assed attempts at refuting how they
arrived at those numbers.
That's the point.
No matter where you look, except Roy's site where he claims 44.6 percent of
people are using Linux,  and highly Linux specific sites, the numbers come
out about the same and put Linux at less than 1 percent of the desktop.
That is pathetic after 10 years.
Well I wouldn't call it pathetic. 1 percent is still pretty
impressive. What I would call pathetic is the attempts to discredit
any ideas for the advancement of Linux with the argument that it's as
good as possible, or that lots of people are using it anyway. One
percent is something to build on.
Sure it is, but it's never going to increase until the Linux community
figures out that 1000+ different versions of Linux is NOT a good thing.
It HAS increased despite all of that.
Of course the end user isn't even aware of that "complexity" just as
they aren't aware of all of the other areas in which an OS can be
complex. If it weren't for Trolls that only exist to create FUD, no
one would even be aware of this "too many distros" problem.
Are you drunk or merely as thick as two short planks? You know full well
that new recruits to LInux are totally confused by all the distros. Who
wouldn't be?
...anyone that just reads the usual news about Linux.
There aren't 1000+ plus Linux distros mentioned.
There aren't even 10.
Post by Hadron
Post by JEDIDIAH
Oddly enough, despite all this FUD and nonsense we always come back
to people complaining that the latest east of use distro to take the
community by storm is co-opting Linux.
Redhat did it before and Ubuntu is doing it now.
Huh? How come there is such a negligibly small uptake of Linux on the
desktop then? 0.6% is certainly not good. Maybe if you take your head
Your assumption: One common marketing face == success.
This is of course a fallacy.
Post by Hadron
out of the sand and do something to actually *advocate* and *improve*
Linux then this figure would increase.
Counteracting malcious attempts to scare potential new users does well enough.
Well enough being 0.6% infiltration? Well done. You must be very proud
of yourself.
chrisv
2008-05-23 17:34:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hadron
Are you drunk or merely as thick as two short planks?
Fsck you, you snotty POS.
Post by Hadron
You know full well
that new recruits to LInux are totally confused by all the distros.
Stop lying about what other people know or think, asshole.
Post by Hadron
Who wouldn't be?
Most would not be, after the small amount of looking-into the sitution
required to realize that there's only a few top distros that are being
used by most "average folk" or "newbies".
Post by Hadron
Huh? How come there is such a negligibly small uptake of Linux on the
desktop then?
Huh? How come you're such a worthless waste of skin? How come you
suck shit?

You know God-damned well that there are *multiple* reasons why so many
use M$ products, fsckwit. It's not like THE REASON is "there's too
many versions of Linux", OBVIOUSLY.
Post by Hadron
0.6% is certainly not good. Maybe if you take your headout of the
sand and do something to actually *advocate* and *improve*
Linux then this figure would increase.
He's a far better advocate than Wintroll fsckwits like you are, Quack.
William Poaster
2008-05-23 18:33:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by chrisv
Post by Hadron
Are you drunk or merely as thick as two short planks?
Fsck you, you snotty POS.
Post by Hadron
You know full well
that new recruits to LInux are totally confused by all the distros.
Stop lying about what other people know or think, asshole.
Quack was obviously totally confused by all the distros, so the jerk
believes everyone else is. Yes, he's *that* arrogant.
Post by chrisv
Post by Hadron
Who wouldn't be?
Most would not be, after the small amount of looking-into the sitution
required to realize that there's only a few top distros that are being
used by most "average folk" or "newbies".
Ah, but for that you need a brain & intelligence. Which obviously
by-passed Quack.
Post by chrisv
Post by Hadron
Huh? How come there is such a negligibly small uptake of Linux on the
desktop then?
Huh? How come you're such a worthless waste of skin? How come you suck
shit?
You know God-damned well that there are *multiple* reasons why so many use
M$ products, fsckwit. It's not like THE REASON is "there's too many
versions of Linux", OBVIOUSLY.
Post by Hadron
0.6% is certainly not good. Maybe if you take your headout of the sand
and do something to actually *advocate* and *improve* Linux then this
figure would increase.
He's a far better advocate than Wintroll fsckwits like you are, Quack.
Yes, there's the 0.6% again, which is obviously *why* M$ called Linux "The
Number One Threat"....well, isn't it? Yes, an elephant scared of a flea..

Spot the flaw.
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2008-05-23 20:35:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by William Poaster
Post by chrisv
Post by Hadron
Are you drunk or merely as thick as two short planks?
<snip>
Post by William Poaster
Post by chrisv
He's a far better advocate than Wintroll fsckwits like you are, Quack.
Yes, there's the 0.6% again, which is obviously *why* M$ called Linux "The
Number One Threat"....well, isn't it? Yes, an elephant scared of a flea..
Recently, Ballmer said that they only really worried about Linux in the
server market - on the desktop, it's apple they worry about.
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chrisv
2008-05-23 22:04:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tom Shelton
Recently, Ballmer said that they only really worried about Linux in the
server market - on the desktop, it's apple they worry about.
Why, then, do they resort to bribery to stop Linux from taking-hold in
developing countries?

Personally, I would not trust anything that scumbag Ballmer or Gates
says. They are "just a little bit" biased.
William Poaster
2008-05-23 22:36:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by chrisv
Post by Tom Shelton
Recently, Ballmer said that they only really worried about Linux in the
server market - on the desktop, it's apple they worry about.
Why, then, do they resort to bribery to stop Linux from taking-hold in
developing countries?
M$ tried to do it in India to stop them adopting Linux on the desktops,
but eventually failed. Since 2006 linux has been a BIG hit in India, & is
still spreading. (Tamil Nadu is an example).

They tried & failed in Brazil too. As I ecall, Blammer was flying about
hither & thither trying to stop countries adopting OSS. If they weren't
worried about Linux being adopted on the desktop, just why would he do
that.
Post by chrisv
Personally, I would not trust anything that scumbag Ballmer or Gates says.
They are "just a little bit" biased.
Uh, yeah. Just a "little".
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Ezekiel
2008-05-23 22:56:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by chrisv
Post by Tom Shelton
Recently, Ballmer said that they only really worried about Linux in the
server market - on the desktop, it's apple they worry about.
Why, then, do they resort to bribery to stop Linux from
taking-hold in developing countries?
Bribery? Of course you can provide a link where Microsoft has been
convicted of "bribery" can't you. (Here's the part where the "advocate"
runs and hides.)

Perhaps an idiot like you doesn't understand multi billion dollar
international deals but I don't see any offical charges calling this
bribery. I do hear a lot of ignorant COLA "advocates" whining that this is
bribery but that does NOT make it bribery.

If you want to talk about "real bribery" then look no further than your
"linux champion" IBM. When it comes to real bribery (and money laundering)
then the scumbag tactics of IBM are well known.

<quote>
Ripples Keep Spreading in a Chinese Bribery Case
I.B.M., NCR and Hitachi of Japan were named in a court verdict this month
in the case of a bank chief convicted of accepting more than $500,000 in
bribes.
</quote>
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/01/business/worldbusiness/01bribe.html


<quote>
Settlement Made by I.B.M.
Securities and Exchange Commission agrees to pay $300,000 to settle
regulatory complaints related to allegations that unit in Argentina paid
bribe to win contracts
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04EFDF1638F931A15751C1A9669C8B63


<quote>
Money-Laundering Report Gives Argentine Leader a New Woe
It also reported that Federal Bank sent about $1 million to a Citibank
account that originated from bribes that an IBM subcontractor paid to an
Argentine public bank to acquire a contract with the government.
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00EEDB1E38F932A35750C0A9679C8B63



<quote>
Ex-I.B.M. Executive Charged In Multimillion-Dollar Scheme
Former IBM executive Robert St Germain and Lawrence Laspina, Fort
Lauderdale, Fla, man who bought discontinued computer parts, are indicted
by Federal grand jury on charges that they were part of conspiracy to
swindle company out of at least $20 million worth of surplus computer
equipment; grand jury also charges that outsiders provided company insiders
with over $500,000 in bribes to promote scheme
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0DEFDA1438F93BA35757C0A96F958260



(MURDER - Yeah, that's nice. Hans Reiser might have a new cell mate.)
<quote>
INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS; Bribery Suspect Is Found Dead
Marcelo Cattaneo, suspect in bribery investigation involving IBM and
Argentine state bank, Banco de la Nacion, is found hanged, a presumed
suicide; case reviewed
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C01E7D6163BF934A35753C1A96E958260


(Besides murder, we also have extradition)
<quote>
Argentina to Seek Extradition Of 2 Executives From U.S.
Argentina will seek extradition from US of two current and two former IBM
executives, amid allegations that company gave Government officials up to
$21 million in bribes in exchange for lucrative bank contract
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9905EED91F3EF936A35756C0A96E958260
Post by chrisv
Personally, I would not trust anything that scumbag Ballmer or Gates
says. They are "just a little bit" biased.
Who the hell cares what a little drama-queen like you thinks? You are an
ignorant moron who cries "bribery" where there is none. Meanwhile you're a
complete hypocrite and gladly turn a blind eye every time one of your
scumbag "linux champion" companies commits bribery and money laundering.

Quit being a whining little drama-queen, pull your head out of
Schestowitz's ass and get a dose of reality.




** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Moshe, Goldfarb
2008-05-24 01:46:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ezekiel
Post by chrisv
Post by Tom Shelton
Recently, Ballmer said that they only really worried about Linux in the
server market - on the desktop, it's apple they worry about.
Why, then, do they resort to bribery to stop Linux from
taking-hold in developing countries?
Bribery? Of course you can provide a link where Microsoft has been
convicted of "bribery" can't you. (Here's the part where the "advocate"
runs and hides.)
Perhaps an idiot like you doesn't understand multi billion dollar
international deals but I don't see any offical charges calling this
bribery. I do hear a lot of ignorant COLA "advocates" whining that this is
bribery but that does NOT make it bribery.
If you want to talk about "real bribery" then look no further than your
"linux champion" IBM. When it comes to real bribery (and money laundering)
then the scumbag tactics of IBM are well known.
<quote>
Ripples Keep Spreading in a Chinese Bribery Case
I.B.M., NCR and Hitachi of Japan were named in a court verdict this month
in the case of a bank chief convicted of accepting more than $500,000 in
bribes.
</quote>
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/01/business/worldbusiness/01bribe.html
<quote>
Settlement Made by I.B.M.
Securities and Exchange Commission agrees to pay $300,000 to settle
regulatory complaints related to allegations that unit in Argentina paid
bribe to win contracts
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04EFDF1638F931A15751C1A9669C8B63
<quote>
Money-Laundering Report Gives Argentine Leader a New Woe
It also reported that Federal Bank sent about $1 million to a Citibank
account that originated from bribes that an IBM subcontractor paid to an
Argentine public bank to acquire a contract with the government.
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00EEDB1E38F932A35750C0A9679C8B63
<quote>
Ex-I.B.M. Executive Charged In Multimillion-Dollar Scheme
Former IBM executive Robert St Germain and Lawrence Laspina, Fort
Lauderdale, Fla, man who bought discontinued computer parts, are indicted
by Federal grand jury on charges that they were part of conspiracy to
swindle company out of at least $20 million worth of surplus computer
equipment; grand jury also charges that outsiders provided company insiders
with over $500,000 in bribes to promote scheme
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0DEFDA1438F93BA35757C0A96F958260
(MURDER - Yeah, that's nice. Hans Reiser might have a new cell mate.)
<quote>
INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS; Bribery Suspect Is Found Dead
Marcelo Cattaneo, suspect in bribery investigation involving IBM and
Argentine state bank, Banco de la Nacion, is found hanged, a presumed
suicide; case reviewed
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C01E7D6163BF934A35753C1A96E958260
(Besides murder, we also have extradition)
<quote>
Argentina to Seek Extradition Of 2 Executives From U.S.
Argentina will seek extradition from US of two current and two former IBM
executives, amid allegations that company gave Government officials up to
$21 million in bribes in exchange for lucrative bank contract
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9905EED91F3EF936A35756C0A96E958260
Post by chrisv
Personally, I would not trust anything that scumbag Ballmer or Gates
says. They are "just a little bit" biased.
Who the hell cares what a little drama-queen like you thinks? You are an
ignorant moron who cries "bribery" where there is none. Meanwhile you're a
complete hypocrite and gladly turn a blind eye every time one of your
scumbag "linux champion" companies commits bribery and money laundering.
Quit being a whining little drama-queen, pull your head out of
Schestowitz's ass and get a dose of reality.
I would say that little sample has shut the Linux loons down for a while.

Facts seem to disturb the Linux loons terribly.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Elliot Zimmermann
2008-05-24 01:51:51 UTC
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Moshe Goldfarb (flatfish) in real life Gary Stewart

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html

Traits:

* Nym shifting (see below)
* Self confessed thief and proud of it
* Homophobic
* Racist
* Habitual liar
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* Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA
--
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** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Moshe, Goldfarb
2008-05-24 01:59:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ezekiel
Post by chrisv
Post by Tom Shelton
Recently, Ballmer said that they only really worried about Linux in the
server market - on the desktop, it's apple they worry about.
Why, then, do they resort to bribery to stop Linux from
taking-hold in developing countries?
Bribery? Of course you can provide a link where Microsoft has been
convicted of "bribery" can't you. (Here's the part where the "advocate"
runs and hides.)
Perhaps an idiot like you doesn't understand multi billion dollar
international deals but I don't see any offical charges calling this
bribery. I do hear a lot of ignorant COLA "advocates" whining that this is
bribery but that does NOT make it bribery.
If you want to talk about "real bribery" then look no further than your
"linux champion" IBM. When it comes to real bribery (and money laundering)
then the scumbag tactics of IBM are well known.
<quote>
Ripples Keep Spreading in a Chinese Bribery Case
I.B.M., NCR and Hitachi of Japan were named in a court verdict this month
in the case of a bank chief convicted of accepting more than $500,000 in
bribes.
</quote>
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/01/business/worldbusiness/01bribe.html
<quote>
Settlement Made by I.B.M.
Securities and Exchange Commission agrees to pay $300,000 to settle
regulatory complaints related to allegations that unit in Argentina paid
bribe to win contracts
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04EFDF1638F931A15751C1A9669C8B63
<quote>
Money-Laundering Report Gives Argentine Leader a New Woe
It also reported that Federal Bank sent about $1 million to a Citibank
account that originated from bribes that an IBM subcontractor paid to an
Argentine public bank to acquire a contract with the government.
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00EEDB1E38F932A35750C0A9679C8B63
<quote>
Ex-I.B.M. Executive Charged In Multimillion-Dollar Scheme
Former IBM executive Robert St Germain and Lawrence Laspina, Fort
Lauderdale, Fla, man who bought discontinued computer parts, are indicted
by Federal grand jury on charges that they were part of conspiracy to
swindle company out of at least $20 million worth of surplus computer
equipment; grand jury also charges that outsiders provided company insiders
with over $500,000 in bribes to promote scheme
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0DEFDA1438F93BA35757C0A96F958260
(MURDER - Yeah, that's nice. Hans Reiser might have a new cell mate.)
<quote>
INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS; Bribery Suspect Is Found Dead
Marcelo Cattaneo, suspect in bribery investigation involving IBM and
Argentine state bank, Banco de la Nacion, is found hanged, a presumed
suicide; case reviewed
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C01E7D6163BF934A35753C1A96E958260
(Besides murder, we also have extradition)
<quote>
Argentina to Seek Extradition Of 2 Executives From U.S.
Argentina will seek extradition from US of two current and two former IBM
executives, amid allegations that company gave Government officials up to
$21 million in bribes in exchange for lucrative bank contract
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9905EED91F3EF936A35756C0A96E958260
Post by chrisv
Personally, I would not trust anything that scumbag Ballmer or Gates
says. They are "just a little bit" biased.
Who the hell cares what a little drama-queen like you thinks? You are an
ignorant moron who cries "bribery" where there is none. Meanwhile you're a
complete hypocrite and gladly turn a blind eye every time one of your
scumbag "linux champion" companies commits bribery and money laundering.
Quit being a whining little drama-queen, pull your head out of
Schestowitz's ass and get a dose of reality.
I would say that little sample has shut the Linux loons down for a while.

Facts seem to disturb the Linux loons terribly.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Whizzer
2008-05-24 02:00:39 UTC
Permalink
Moshe Goldfarb (flatfish) in real life Gary Stewart

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/flatfish-troll.html

Traits:

* Nym shifting (see below)
* Self confessed thief and proud of it
* Homophobic
* Racist
* Habitual liar
* Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
* Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA
--
! Don Zeigler
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Ezekiel
2008-05-24 14:23:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Moshe, Goldfarb
Post by Ezekiel
Post by chrisv
Post by Tom Shelton
Recently, Ballmer said that they only really worried about Linux in the
server market - on the desktop, it's apple they worry about.
Why, then, do they resort to bribery to stop Linux from
taking-hold in developing countries?
Bribery? Of course you can provide a link where Microsoft has been
convicted of "bribery" can't you. (Here's the part where the "advocate"
runs and hides.)
Perhaps an idiot like you doesn't understand multi billion dollar
international deals but I don't see any offical charges calling this
bribery. I do hear a lot of ignorant COLA "advocates" whining that this is
bribery but that does NOT make it bribery.
If you want to talk about "real bribery" then look no further than your
"linux champion" IBM. When it comes to real bribery (and money laundering)
then the scumbag tactics of IBM are well known.
<quote>
Ripples Keep Spreading in a Chinese Bribery Case
I.B.M., NCR and Hitachi of Japan were named in a court verdict this month
in the case of a bank chief convicted of accepting more than $500,000 in
bribes.
</quote>
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/01/business/worldbusiness/01bribe.html
<quote>
Settlement Made by I.B.M.
Securities and Exchange Commission agrees to pay $300,000 to settle
regulatory complaints related to allegations that unit in Argentina paid
bribe to win contracts
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04EFDF1638F931A15751C1A9669C8B63
<quote>
Money-Laundering Report Gives Argentine Leader a New Woe
It also reported that Federal Bank sent about $1 million to a Citibank
account that originated from bribes that an IBM subcontractor paid to an
Argentine public bank to acquire a contract with the government.
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00EEDB1E38F932A35750C0A9679C8B63
<quote>
Ex-I.B.M. Executive Charged In Multimillion-Dollar Scheme
Former IBM executive Robert St Germain and Lawrence Laspina, Fort
Lauderdale, Fla, man who bought discontinued computer parts, are indicted
by Federal grand jury on charges that they were part of conspiracy to
swindle company out of at least $20 million worth of surplus computer
equipment; grand jury also charges that outsiders provided company insiders
with over $500,000 in bribes to promote scheme
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0DEFDA1438F93BA35757C0A96F958260
(MURDER - Yeah, that's nice. Hans Reiser might have a new cell mate.)
<quote>
INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS; Bribery Suspect Is Found Dead
Marcelo Cattaneo, suspect in bribery investigation involving IBM and
Argentine state bank, Banco de la Nacion, is found hanged, a presumed
suicide; case reviewed
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C01E7D6163BF934A35753C1A96E958260
(Besides murder, we also have extradition)
<quote>
Argentina to Seek Extradition Of 2 Executives From U.S.
Argentina will seek extradition from US of two current and two former IBM
executives, amid allegations that company gave Government officials up to
$21 million in bribes in exchange for lucrative bank contract
</quote>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9905EED91F3EF936A35756C0A96E958260
Post by chrisv
Personally, I would not trust anything that scumbag Ballmer or Gates
says. They are "just a little bit" biased.
Who the hell cares what a little drama-queen like you thinks? You are an
ignorant moron who cries "bribery" where there is none. Meanwhile you're a
complete hypocrite and gladly turn a blind eye every time one of your
scumbag "linux champion" companies commits bribery and money laundering.
Quit being a whining little drama-queen, pull your head out of
Schestowitz's ass and get a dose of reality.
I would say that little sample has shut the Linux loons down for a while.
Facts seem to disturb the Linux loons terribly.
These linux "advocates" are so freaking stupid that they'll forget these
undisputable FACTS in about 3 days and they'll be back once again claiming
how "holier than thou" linux is and how Microsoft bribes foreign
governments.
Post by Moshe, Goldfarb
--
Moshe Goldfarb
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The Ghost In The Machine
2008-05-23 22:42:28 UTC
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, chrisv
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on Fri, 23 May 2008 17:04:44 -0500
Post by chrisv
Post by Tom Shelton
Recently, Ballmer said that they only really worried about
Linux in the server market - on the desktop, it's apple
they worry about.
Why, then, do they resort to bribery to stop Linux from
taking-hold in developing countries?
Personally, I would not trust anything that scumbag Ballmer
or Gates says. They are "just a little bit" biased.
In the same way that the Titanic, the Hindenberg, Challenger,
Columbia, and Apollo 1 just had little accidents.

Not that I blame them overly much; their objective is to
make money. One hopes they do so ethically, of course --
which is anything *but* a given, given Microsoft's apparent
track record.

Still wondering about "Starter Edition", admittedly, and why
they made that rather ludicrous decision to restrict the
number of simultaneous applications thereon.

(Especially since Linux can be installed on the same boxes
and provide more functionality, if one can live with its
quirks. Not everyone in Africa is going to need to watch
the latest Beyonce video or run various Silverlight-based
business apps, assuming there are any. ;-) )
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cc
2008-05-24 19:28:12 UTC
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Post by William Poaster
Post by chrisv
Post by Hadron
Are you drunk or merely as thick as two short planks?
Fsck you, you snotty POS.
Post by Hadron
You know full well
that new recruits to LInux are totally confused by all the distros.
Stop lying about what other people know or think, asshole.
Quack was obviously totally confused by all the distros, so the jerk
believes everyone else is. Yes, he's *that* arrogant.
Post by chrisv
Post by Hadron
Who wouldn't be?
Most would not be, after the small amount of looking-into the sitution
required to realize that there's only a few top distros that are being
used by most "average folk" or "newbies".
Ah, but for that you need a brain & intelligence. Which obviously
by-passed Quack.
Post by chrisv
Post by Hadron
Huh? How come there is such a negligibly small uptake of Linux on the
desktop then?
Huh?  How come you're such a worthless waste of skin?  How come you suck
shit?
You know God-damned well that there are *multiple* reasons why so many use
M$ products, fsckwit.  It's not like THE REASON is "there's too many
versions of Linux", OBVIOUSLY.
Post by Hadron
0.6% is certainly not good.  Maybe if you take your headout of the sand
and do something to actually *advocate* and *improve* Linux then this
figure would increase.
He's a far better advocate than Wintroll fsckwits like you are, Quack.
Yes, there's the 0.6% again, which is obviously *why* M$ called Linux "The
Number One Threat"....well, isn't it? Yes, an elephant scared of a flea..
Spot the flaw.
The flaw is in your thinking. Linux isn't the Number One Threat
because it is currently dominate. It is the Number One Threat to
Microsoft because of the potential it has. The elephant isn't scared
of a flea, it's scared of a elephant killing disease that's currently
isolated in a lab. Ok, another bad analogy on top of your bad analogy,
but you get the idea. It may be 1% now, but the threat to Microsoft is
if the Linux community gets it's act together, makes some significant
changes, and pushes that usage percentage upward. You would then have
a free equivalent of what Microsoft is offering. Of course that
potential is a threat.
DFS
2008-05-25 01:01:36 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Fsck you, you snotty POS.
asshole.
How come you're such a worthless waste of skin?
How come you suck shit?
God-damned
fsckwit.
Wintroll fsckwits like you
Looks like Mommy forget to give another low-life "advocate" his
antipsychotic medicine.
Hadron
2008-05-25 11:40:31 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by Hadron
Are you drunk or merely as thick as two short planks?
Fsck you, you snotty POS.
Post by Hadron
You know full well
that new recruits to LInux are totally confused by all the distros.
Stop lying about what other people know or think, asshole.
Post by Hadron
Who wouldn't be?
Most would not be, after the small amount of looking-into the sitution
required to realize that there's only a few top distros that are being
used by most "average folk" or "newbies".
Post by Hadron
Huh? How come there is such a negligibly small uptake of Linux on the
desktop then?
Huh? How come you're such a worthless waste of skin? How come you
suck shit?
You know God-damned well that there are *multiple* reasons why so many
use M$ products, fsckwit. It's not like THE REASON is "there's too
many versions of Linux", OBVIOUSLY.
Post by Hadron
0.6% is certainly not good. Maybe if you take your headout of the
sand and do something to actually *advocate* and *improve*
Linux then this figure would increase.
He's a far better advocate than Wintroll fsckwits like you are, Quack.
I never mentioned Windows Mr "Original" Chrisv. You're a waste of
air. You're a foul mouthed ignoramous with an IQ of 1. Go back to
trying to get the square through the circle.
--
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volunteers, why not run a rinky-dink distro made by a lot of volunteers?
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Moshe. Goldfarb
2008-05-23 17:24:13 UTC
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Post by Hadron
Post by JEDIDIAH
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The fact is almost all web stats you find have Linux 5% or less. It's
a significant number, so I don't know why there is so much argument
over it. But no one can find any evidence of Linux being much higher.
All you can do is post half-assed attempts at refuting how they
arrived at those numbers.
That's the point.
No matter where you look, except Roy's site where he claims 44.6 percent of
people are using Linux,  and highly Linux specific sites, the numbers come
out about the same and put Linux at less than 1 percent of the desktop.
That is pathetic after 10 years.
Well I wouldn't call it pathetic. 1 percent is still pretty
impressive. What I would call pathetic is the attempts to discredit
any ideas for the advancement of Linux with the argument that it's as
good as possible, or that lots of people are using it anyway. One
percent is something to build on.
Sure it is, but it's never going to increase until the Linux community
figures out that 1000+ different versions of Linux is NOT a good thing.
It HAS increased despite all of that.
Of course the end user isn't even aware of that "complexity" just as
they aren't aware of all of the other areas in which an OS can be
complex. If it weren't for Trolls that only exist to create FUD, no
one would even be aware of this "too many distros" problem.
Are you drunk or merely as thick as two short planks? You know full well
that new recruits to LInux are totally confused by all the distros. Who
wouldn't be?
Post by JEDIDIAH
Oddly enough, despite all this FUD and nonsense we always come back
to people complaining that the latest east of use distro to take the
community by storm is co-opting Linux.
Redhat did it before and Ubuntu is doing it now.
Huh? How come there is such a negligibly small uptake of Linux on the
desktop then? 0.6% is certainly not good. Maybe if you take your head
out of the sand and do something to actually *advocate* and *improve*
Linux then this figure would increase.
Jebbidiah likes to write in rhymes and riddles.
He is obtuse, odd and annoying.

I mostly ignore him because it's a waste of time to play his semantic
games.
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Patrick Landrum
2008-05-23 17:49:18 UTC
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