Discussion:
Audio File Challenge
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F. Russell
2017-05-05 01:32:10 UTC
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Let's say that you have just recorded some audio material
using the wonderful Alsa recording utilities (PulseAudio
get the fuck out).

Now you need to determine if the material samples have been
"clipped," i.e. have exceeded the maximum level.

How would you determine this quickly? Is there a utility
that can be used?
Steve Carroll
2017-05-05 01:40:05 UTC
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Post by F. Russell
Let's say that you have just recorded some audio material
using the wonderful Alsa recording utilities (PulseAudio
get the fuck out).
Now you need to determine if the material samples have been
"clipped," i.e. have exceeded the maximum level.
Lemme guess... is it irreplaceable material again?

(snip idiocy and proof that Feeb would never get a chance to record anything of consequence)

REAL men don't let it clip on the way in, fool.
F. Russell
2017-05-05 01:53:53 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
REAL men don't let it clip on the way in, fool.
Translation:

I'll be damned if I know. I don't know nothing. If I couldn't
click all those pretty ersatz buttons on my Linux Mint I'd be
in BIG trouble.

But to avoid suspicion and ridicule I'll just raise up a fuss
and imply that the issue is ridiculous, which will deflect
all attention away from my deplorable situation.
Steve Carroll
2017-05-05 01:56:49 UTC
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Post by F. Russell
Post by Steve Carroll
REAL men don't let it clip on the way in, fool.
I'll be damned if I know. I don't know nothing.
That was obvious when you suggested checking to see if the
audio clipped *after* you recorded it. Only an idiot would do
such a ridiculous thing,
F. Russell
2017-05-05 08:44:59 UTC
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you suggested checking to see if the audio clipped *after*
you recorded it.
So what? That's not the issue, you cretin bonehead.

The issue is checking the audio file. It matters not where
the file originated. It may have been expelled from a camel's
ass. Who cares?

The issue is checking an audio file for clipping. That's all.

Perhaps 75% of the audio files (not music) that are available
on the Internet have clipped samples.

But you wouldn't how to check them. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
What a loser!

Go back to aligning tape heads that don't need aligning.

Idiot throwback.
Steve Carroll
2017-05-05 15:33:05 UTC
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Post by F. Russell
you suggested checking to see if the audio clipped *after*
you recorded it.
So what?
So you're an idiot.
Post by F. Russell
That's not the issue, you cretin bonehead.
Yes it it. If it actually was audio "that you have just recorded" that is the issue.
Post by F. Russell
The issue is checking the audio file.
With you the "issue" usually changes when your idiocy is pointed out.
Post by F. Russell
It matters not where
the file originated. It may have been expelled from a camel's
ass. Who cares?
The person with a working brain cares, they care about clipping *before*
they record the audio.
Post by F. Russell
The issue is checking an audio file for clipping. That's all.
And what's the point of that if you're not going to attempt a fix (which can't
always be done)? Any software worth its salt that works on clipped audio will
show you the problem spots.

Next time use a limiter.
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 15:57:20 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
And what's the point
The point is that you are a total asshole imbecile.

Do not ever respond to any my posts again.

Idiot fatuous blowhard.
DFS
2017-05-05 17:27:59 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Steve Carroll
And what's the point
The point is that you are a total asshole imbecile.
Do not ever respond to any my posts again.
Idiot fatuous blowhard.
You're an unbelievable asshole, Feeb, but at this point the beatdown
Carroll has delivered has me feeling a little sympathetic for you...
just a little.
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 16:30:55 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Next time use a limiter.
Jesus fucking Christ! What a fucking supreme idiot!

There are contexts in which a "limiter" is dangerously
destructive.

I will not explain further. It should be obvious, but
since you have failed to recognize this fact then it is obvious
that you come from a world of idiots.
Steve Carroll
2017-05-05 16:46:34 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Steve Carroll
Next time use a limiter.
Jesus fucking Christ! What a fucking supreme idiot!
There are contexts in which a "limiter" is dangerously
destructive.
Yup... peak limiting is "dangerously destructive" to the effect of spiking transients.
Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛
2017-05-05 01:50:41 UTC
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Let's say that you have just recorded some audio material using the
wonderful Alsa recording utilities (PulseAudio get the fuck out).
Now you need to determine if the material samples have been "clipped,"
i.e. have exceeded the maximum level.
How would you determine this quickly? Is there a utility that can be
used?
unpack the RIFF WAVE segments and look for the proper MAX_VALUE (for your machine's endian) among them.

the RIFF format is well documented.

if you're smart and record with a 32-bit format, the headroom allows you to normalize without data loss.
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vallor
2017-05-05 02:25:10 UTC
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Let's say that you have just recorded some audio material using the
wonderful Alsa recording utilities (PulseAudio get the fuck out).
Now you need to determine if the material samples have been "clipped,"
i.e. have exceeded the maximum level.
How would you determine this quickly? Is there a utility that can be
used?
sox
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名誉毀損のためのパピーのホイッスル
2017-05-05 03:18:03 UTC
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Let's say that you have just recorded some audio material using the
wonderful Alsa recording utilities (PulseAudio get the fuck out). Now
you need to determine if the material samples have been "clipped,"
i.e. have exceeded the maximum level. How would you determine this
quickly? Is there a utility that can be used?
sox
i figured that he wanted to write a C program.

i wonder why he didn't just google:

"what program can i use to detect audio clipping in linux?"

first link.

is he "trolling COLA", here? i mean... it's so hard to tell because it wasn't snit asking, rt?
Snit
2017-05-05 03:23:20 UTC
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Post by 名誉毀損のためのパピーのホイッスル
Let's say that you have just recorded some audio material using the
wonderful Alsa recording utilities (PulseAudio get the fuck out). Now
you need to determine if the material samples have been "clipped,"
i.e. have exceeded the maximum level. How would you determine this
quickly? Is there a utility that can be used?
sox
i figured that he wanted to write a C program.
"what program can i use to detect audio clipping in linux?"
first link.
is he "trolling COLA", here? i mean... it's so hard to tell because it wasn't
snit asking, rt?
LOL!
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f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 12:28:26 UTC
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i figured ...
Don't figure. Don't think.

You'll hurt your asshole.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
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2017-05-05 13:10:29 UTC
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On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 11:17:40 PM UTC-4,
i figured ...
Don't figure. Don't think.
You'll hurt your asshole.
pls don't reprot my aboose of you to teh athourities!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
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F. Russell
2017-05-05 08:37:24 UTC
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sox
Sox what? That is, sox how?

But one can also use sndfile-info from the libsndfile
package:

http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile

Libsndfile is used on most, if not all, GNU/Linux
systems to read/write audio data.

But the developers of both soz and libsndfile do not
heed my warning. They should NOT make their software
available for Microshit Winblows.

The entire FOSS community should boycott Microshit.
That action would greatly reduce the usability of
Winblows.
Peter Köhlmann
2017-05-05 08:48:01 UTC
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Post by F. Russell
sox
Sox what? That is, sox how?
But one can also use sndfile-info from the libsndfile
http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile
Libsndfile is used on most, if not all, GNU/Linux
systems to read/write audio data.
Irrelevant. Sox is available in nearly all distros.
Let people decide what they will use. *You* have no say in that
Post by F. Russell
But the developers of both soz and libsndfile do not
heed my warning. They should NOT make their software
available for Microshit Winblows.
So you snittish bullshitter want to tell developers what they have to do or
not

Get lost, you cretinous dimbulb
Post by F. Russell
The entire FOSS community should boycott Microshit.
That action would greatly reduce the usability of
Winblows.
So what? In the long run windows is doomed. With or without FOSS.

But then, you are just a freedom hating idiot who is way too stupid to run
linux
DFS
2017-05-07 18:11:12 UTC
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Post by F. Russell
They should NOT make their software
available for Microshit Winblows.
The entire FOSS community should boycott Microshit.
Where do you get off, hypocrite?

When you post as ***@gmail.com, you're posting from Windows, at
your Windows job.
vallor
2017-05-07 23:50:56 UTC
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Post by F. Russell
sox
Sox what? That is, sox how?
"Real Men" RTFM, jagoff.

$ sox sound_rocket_spurts.wav -n stats
sox WARN wav: wave header missing extended part of fmt chunk
Overall Left Right
DC offset -0.000103 -0.000103 -0.000103
Min level -1.000000 -1.000000 -1.000000
Max level 1.000000 1.000000 1.000000
Pk lev dB 0.00 0.00 0.00
RMS lev dB -11.65 -11.65 -11.65
RMS Pk dB -9.03 -9.03 -9.03
RMS Tr dB -17.17 -17.17 -17.17
Crest factor - 3.82 3.82
Flat factor 31.85 31.85 31.85
Pk count 140 140 140
Bit-depth 32/32 32/32 32/32
Num samples 219k
Length s 4.564
Scale max 1.000000
Window s 0.050
sox WARN sox: `sound_rocket_spurts.wav' input clipped 280 samples

$ sox sound_rocket_spurts.wav -n stat
sox WARN wav: wave header missing extended part of fmt chunk
Samples read: 438140
Length (seconds): 4.563958
Scaled by: 2147483647.0
Maximum amplitude: 1.000000
Minimum amplitude: -1.000000
Midline amplitude: -0.000000
Mean norm: 0.202902
Mean amplitude: -0.000103
RMS amplitude: 0.261517
Maximum delta: 0.091380
Minimum delta: 0.000000
Mean delta: 0.004794
RMS delta: 0.009204
Rough frequency: 268
Volume adjustment: 1.000
sox WARN sox: `sound_rocket_spurts.wav' input clipped 280 samples
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2017-05-08 03:00:47 UTC
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Post by vallor
Post by F. Russell
sox
Sox what? That is, sox how?
"Real Men" RTFM, jagoff.
$ sox sound_rocket_spurts.wav -n stats sox WARN wav: wave header missing
extended part of fmt chunk Overall Left Right DC
offset -0.000103 -0.000103 -0.000103 Min level -1.000000 -1.000000
-1.000000 Max level 1.000000 1.000000 1.000000 Pk lev dB 0.00
0.00 0.00 RMS lev dB -11.65 -11.65 -11.65 RMS Pk dB
-9.03 -9.03 -9.03 RMS Tr dB -17.17 -17.17 -17.17
Crest factor - 3.82 3.82 Flat factor 31.85 31.85
31.85 Pk count 140 140 140 Bit-depth 32/32
32/32 32/32 Num samples 219k Length s 4.564 Scale max
1.000000 Window s 0.050 sox WARN sox: `sound_rocket_spurts.wav'
input clipped 280 samples
$ sox sound_rocket_spurts.wav -n stat sox WARN wav: wave header missing
extended part of fmt chunk Samples read: 438140 Length
(seconds): 4.563958 Scaled by: 2147483647.0 Maximum
amplitude: 1.000000 Minimum amplitude: -1.000000 Midline
amplitude: -0.000000 Mean norm: 0.202902 Mean
0.004794 RMS delta: 0.009204 Rough frequency: 268
Volume adjustment: 1.000 sox WARN sox: `sound_rocket_spurts.wav'
input clipped 280 samples
so, it's how many days later and you feel the need to continue answering this "troll"?

you are clearly "very smart".
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Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
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Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
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AUK Mascot, September 2007
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vallor
2017-05-08 05:00:56 UTC
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Post by vallor
Post by F. Russell
sox
Sox what? That is, sox how?
"Real Men" RTFM, jagoff.
$ sox sound_rocket_spurts.wav -n stats sox WARN wav: wave header missing
extended part of fmt chunk Overall Left Right DC
offset -0.000103 -0.000103 -0.000103 Min level -1.000000 -1.000000
-1.000000 Max level 1.000000 1.000000 1.000000 Pk lev dB 0.00
0.00 0.00 RMS lev dB -11.65 -11.65 -11.65 RMS Pk dB
-9.03 -9.03 -9.03 RMS Tr dB -17.17 -17.17 -17.17
Crest factor - 3.82 3.82 Flat factor 31.85 31.85
31.85 Pk count 140 140 140 Bit-depth 32/32
32/32 32/32 Num samples 219k Length s 4.564 Scale max
1.000000 Window s 0.050 sox WARN sox: `sound_rocket_spurts.wav'
input clipped 280 samples
$ sox sound_rocket_spurts.wav -n stat sox WARN wav: wave header missing
extended part of fmt chunk Samples read: 438140 Length
(seconds): 4.563958 Scaled by: 2147483647.0 Maximum
amplitude: 1.000000 Minimum amplitude: -1.000000 Midline
0.004794 RMS delta: 0.009204 Rough frequency: 268
Volume adjustment: 1.000 sox WARN sox: `sound_rocket_spurts.wav'
input clipped 280 samples
so, it's how many days later and you feel the need to continue answering this "troll"?
you are clearly "very smart".
oh really now ,
I'm not sure ,
you are qualified to make such an assessment
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Desk Rabbit
2017-05-05 08:54:32 UTC
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Post by F. Russell
Let's say that you have just recorded some audio material
using the wonderful Alsa recording utilities (PulseAudio
get the fuck out).
Now you need to determine if the material samples have been
"clipped," i.e. have exceeded the maximum level.
How would you determine this quickly? Is there a utility
that can be used?
You set your levels correctly *before* you start recording, fixing or
detecting clipping after the event is just dumb, you can't replace lost
information. Any half decent recording system will give you level
indication.
F. Russell
2017-05-05 09:42:50 UTC
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Post by Desk Rabbit
You set your levels correctly *before* you start recording, fixing or
detecting clipping after the event is just dumb
Another fucking asshole idiot!

With a LOT of audio material it can be difficult to
set the "levels" effectively. There may be sudden bursts
of amplitude that cannot be anticipated. The real world
is never as perfect as one would like to believe.

From your idiotic statement it is clear that you have little
actual experience in recording sound. I mean sound, not music.

Recording a passing freight train, for example, may be far more
intense than first anticipated. Also, imperfections of the
rail may cause sharp intensity spikes as the train passes. In spite
of prior "levels" adjustment the recording may contain much clipping.

Go out in the REAL WORLD and attempt sound capture. You may at first
establish a correct recording "level" but sooner or later you will
encounter an unexpected event that will cause clipping.

You may be recording a conversation in a quiet room and then
someone will drop a book or other object. There are MANY
possibilities.

So you, and that other asshole Carroll, have shown yourself to
be an incompetent idiot.
Desk Rabbit
2017-05-05 15:06:49 UTC
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Post by F. Russell
Post by Desk Rabbit
You set your levels correctly *before* you start recording, fixing or
detecting clipping after the event is just dumb
Another fucking asshole idiot!
With a LOT of audio material it can be difficult to
set the "levels" effectively. There may be sudden bursts
of amplitude that cannot be anticipated. The real world
is never as perfect as one would like to believe.
Clearly you have never heard of a compressor.
Post by F. Russell
From your idiotic statement it is clear that you have little
actual experience in recording sound. I mean sound, not music.
Clearly from your tinkering you've never set foot inside a professional
recording studio nor recorded anything other than some cassette tapes
with the heads misaligned.

I've been in and out of professional studios on both sides of the desk
since the 1970's, I have a little bit of experience ;-)
Post by F. Russell
Recording a passing freight train, for example, may be far more
intense than first anticipated. Also, imperfections of the
rail may cause sharp intensity spikes as the train passes. In spite
of prior "levels" adjustment the recording may contain much clipping.
Go out in the REAL WORLD and attempt sound capture. You may at first
establish a correct recording "level" but sooner or later you will
encounter an unexpected event that will cause clipping.
You may be recording a conversation in a quiet room and then
someone will drop a book or other object. There are MANY
possibilities.
All of the above can be ameliorated with a compressor and experience.

With the train you can use the first pass to set the levels and wait for
the next pass.

In the quiet room you would simply re-record the section where the noise
occurred.

You presumed problems all demonstrate that you have barely above amateur
grade skills in recording.
Post by F. Russell
So you, and that other asshole Carroll, have shown yourself to
be an incompetent idiot.
Nope, sorry, every time you talk about audio you show how little you know.
chrisv
2017-05-05 15:35:23 UTC
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Post by Desk Rabbit
Clearly from your tinkering you've never set foot inside a professional
recording studio nor recorded anything other than some cassette tapes
with the heads misaligned.
Hehe.
Post by Desk Rabbit
With the train you can use the first pass to set the levels and wait for
the next pass.
In the quiet room you would simply re-record the section where the noise
occurred.
You presumed problems all demonstrate that you have barely above amateur
grade skills in recording.
Well, one doesn't need to be a recording engineer to figure-out that
you would generally do a test/sample, before setting everything for
the event that you actually want to record.
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f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 15:54:09 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Well, one doesn't need to be a recording engineer to figure-out that
you would generally do a test/sample, before setting everything for
the event that you actually want to record.
The "profession" of recording has been obsolete for over
TWENTY FUCKING YEARS already.

Now, a 16-year-old post-punk rocker can produce better results
in his own basement.

These so-called pros, however, need to protect their antiquated
and useless jobs and they will assail everything without a $500K
price tag.
Steve Carroll
2017-05-05 16:02:15 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by chrisv
Well, one doesn't need to be a recording engineer to figure-out that
you would generally do a test/sample, before setting everything for
the event that you actually want to record.
The "profession" of recording has been obsolete for over
TWENTY FUCKING YEARS already.
LOL!
Post by f***@gmail.com
Now, a 16-year-old post-punk rocker can produce better results
in his own basement.
Stop continually proving the thing we already know, idiot.
Post by f***@gmail.com
These so-called pros, however, need to protect their antiquated
and useless jobs and they will assail everything without a $500K
price tag.
That 16 year old better have some quality gear and know how to use it.
Even then, he only stands a chance of 'matching' (and I use that term
loosely) the best efforts of pros to the ears of the 'average' listener
who uses his computer's speakers as his 'sound system'. You can get
amazing results from a small studio setup but most 16 year olds are
years away from doing so, if they play punk rock make that decades ;)
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 16:17:23 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
That 16 year old better have some quality gear and know how to use it.
$20 will get you hyper-quality gear.

But the gear is not so important as the room acoustical properties.

An asshole like you, however, would even know where to begin
to calculate such properties.

You'd have to buy software for $50K to do it for you.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Get out of my thread you incompetent idiot!
Steve Carroll
2017-05-05 16:47:46 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Steve Carroll
That 16 year old better have some quality gear and know how to use it.
$20 will get you hyper-quality gear.
LOL! You're *way* outta your depth here, kid. You can't even buy a usable
mic for $20 unless you get it used, and even then it'd likely be a low end
dynamic that was used to pound nails in.
Post by f***@gmail.com
But the gear is not so important as the room acoustical properties.
Which is where the basement loses, badly (but the idea that the gear
isn't equally important is a fallacy).
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 17:01:04 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
You can't even buy a usable
mic for $20
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! You ARE a throwback to ancient times!

I can BUILD (not buy) a world-class microphone for about $3.95
in components.

Hey, dinosaur. It's time to become extinct.





unless you get it used, and even then it'd likely be a low end
Post by Steve Carroll
dynamic that was used to pound nails in.
Post by f***@gmail.com
But the gear is not so important as the room acoustical properties.
Which is where the basement loses, badly (but the idea that the gear
isn't equally important is a fallacy).
Steve Carroll
2017-05-05 17:17:14 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Steve Carroll
You can't even buy a usable
mic for $20
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! You ARE a throwback to ancient times!
I can BUILD (not buy) a world-class microphone for about $3.95
in components.
Can I get lower price if I order 100,000 of them?

Never mind, I'm sure Alan Hyatt would take as many as you can build at that price ;)

(Alan Hyatt started Studio Projects, in the early 2000s he partnered with the
venerable Stephen Paul to attempt making an affordable "world-class" mic)

You don't have clue 1 about a "world-class microphone", or anything
else to do with audio, apparently.
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 17:37:35 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
You don't have clue 1 about a "world-class microphone", or anything
else to do with audio, apparently.
You would have said the EXACT SAME THING to Elon Musk before
he began his SpaceX venture.

You would said the EXACT SAME THING to Henry Ford before he
began his Model T.

History is full of asshole idiots like you.

But YOU are not the future. You have your head (and your ass)
in the ancient past. Your destiny is to be ignored and forgotten.
Steve Carroll
2017-05-05 17:51:31 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
You don't have clue 1 about a "world-class microphone", or anything
else to do with audio, apparently.
You would have said the EXACT SAME THING to Elon Musk before
he began his SpaceX venture.
You would said the EXACT SAME THING to Henry Ford before he
began his Model T.
LOL! Go price quality membrane material for a "world-class microphone"
and watch your $3.95 quote go down the toilet.
DFS
2017-05-05 17:21:17 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
You can't even buy a usable
mic for $20
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! You ARE a throwback to ancient times!
I can BUILD (not buy) a world-class microphone for about $3.95
in components.
uh huh... sure you can.

Just like your homemade hobby electronics surpasses commercial equipment
costing 10x as much...

If you're not lying, then you're deluded. Either way you come across as
a raging moron.

Add to that you have never once backed your claims about your homemade
electronics, and we're talking to a shithead.
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 18:01:08 UTC
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Post by DFS
Just like your homemade hobby electronics surpasses commercial equipment
costing 10x as much...
10X? Oh, please.

My stuff rivals commercial equipment at 100x or even 1000x the price.

When I was a grad student I built equipment for less than $100
that beat a $40,000 commercial hunk of junk.

But you, and that asshole Carroll, will remain pathetic patsies
forever.
DFS
2017-05-05 18:11:28 UTC
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Post by DFS
Just like your homemade hobby electronics surpasses commercial equipment
costing 10x as much...
10X? Oh, please.
My stuff rivals commercial equipment at 100x or even 1000x the price.
When I was a grad student I built equipment for less than $100
that beat a $40,000 commercial hunk of junk.
But you, and that asshole Carroll, will remain pathetic patsies
forever.
And you will forever remain a lying, deluded huckster making outlandish
claims with zero proof.

But hey, that's what Linux advocates do.
chrisv
2017-05-05 18:11:26 UTC
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Post by DFS
Just like your homemade hobby electronics surpasses commercial equipment
costing 10x as much...
10X? Oh, please.
My stuff rivals commercial equipment at 100x or even 1000x the price.
I built my own stereo preamplier for my main stereo, because there was
nothing on the market that did what I wanted, and that cost less than
$4,000.

It cost me a few $hundred to build. Having the custom PCB made was
over $100, and the five Alps "blue velvet" pots (one motorized)
added-up to something like $80, IIRC...
--
"Are you saying the file Tattoo Vampire currently has posted has no
EXIF data? If so then the file has been changed." - some thing,
baselessly accusing an honest person of dishonesty, rather than admit
to being wrong
DFS
2017-05-05 18:36:52 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by DFS
Just like your homemade hobby electronics surpasses commercial equipment
costing 10x as much...
10X? Oh, please.
My stuff rivals commercial equipment at 100x or even 1000x the price.
I built my own stereo preamplier for my main stereo, because there was
nothing on the market that did what I wanted, and that cost less than
$4,000.
It cost me a few $hundred to build. Having the custom PCB made was
over $100, and the five Alps "blue velvet" pots (one motorized)
added-up to something like $80, IIRC...
pics?
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 19:10:10 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Having the custom PCB made was
over $100,
Why would want a custom PCB?

I first install all components a prototype board, add a
drop of epoxy glue to keep them from flopping around,
and then solder (a job which I hate).
chrisv
2017-05-05 19:19:57 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Having the custom PCB made was
over $100,
Why would want a custom PCB?
Better grounding, less noise...
Post by f***@gmail.com
I first install all components a prototype board, add a
drop of epoxy glue to keep them from flopping around,
and then solder (a job which I hate).
Eww.
--
"The interesting part of this is that if so many consumers are
profoundly so cheap, then why is it that Linux as an even cheaper
alternative for the desktop hasn't even gained half as much traction
as Apple?" - lying asshole "-hh"
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 19:57:27 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Better grounding, less noise...
That only applies to RF circuitry.

For audio circuits, the frequencies are so low that one
can get away with murder.
chrisv
2017-05-08 12:25:34 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Better grounding, less noise...
That only applies to RF circuitry.
For audio circuits, the frequencies are so low that one
can get away with murder.
You are clueless, sorry.
--
"It's the presence of negative feedback that maintains the stability."
- trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel", putting his ignorance on display
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-08 15:40:47 UTC
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Post by chrisv
You are clueless, sorry.
You are incapable of making such judgements, but I am
NOT sorry.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
Desk Rabbit
2017-05-08 12:32:35 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Better grounding, less noise...
That only applies to RF circuitry.
For audio circuits, the frequencies are so low that one
can get away with murder.
O M G
Desk Rabbit
2017-05-08 12:31:59 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Having the custom PCB made was
over $100,
Why would want a custom PCB?
I first install all components a prototype board, add a
drop of epoxy glue to keep them from flopping around,
and then solder (a job which I hate).
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-08 15:38:32 UTC
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Post by Desk Rabbit
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
It sounds like an audio recording of his daily struggle
on the toilet bowl.

Better start eating more fiber -- lots of it.

Fish is brain food -- but for you it's already too late for that.
DFS
2017-05-05 17:18:38 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
LOL! You're *way* outta your depth here, kid. You can't even buy a usable
mic for $20 unless you get it used, and even then it'd likely be a low end
dynamic that was used to pound nails in.
Is this one any good?

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XM8500?product_id=XM8500

I just did a search for microphones and clicked on the first one I saw
for $20
Steve Carroll
2017-05-05 17:18:51 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
LOL! You're *way* outta your depth here, kid. You can't even buy a usable
mic for $20 unless you get it used, and even then it'd likely be a low end
dynamic that was used to pound nails in.
Is this one any good?
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XM8500?product_id=XM8500
I just did a search for microphones and clicked on the first one I saw
for $20
I'd just use a hammer.
Desk Rabbit
2017-05-08 12:34:04 UTC
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Post by DFS
Post by Steve Carroll
LOL! You're *way* outta your depth here, kid. You can't even buy a usable
mic for $20 unless you get it used, and even then it'd likely be a low end
dynamic that was used to pound nails in.
Is this one any good?
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XM8500?product_id=XM8500
I just did a search for microphones and clicked on the first one I saw
for $20
I'd just use a hammer.
That Behringer crap isn't even good as a hammer.
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 17:50:33 UTC
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Post by DFS
Is this one any good?
Here is Carroll's favorite shopping site:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651

He probably has more than a couple ADE_651's in his "professional"
stash.

Hey. Only a big man can invest $60,000 a pop for such gear.

If the technical rep told him so, then how could he ever lose?

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 15:46:07 UTC
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Clearly you have never heard of a compressor.
Clearly you are, as usual, making wild-ass guesses and
suppositions that could never be verified.

But then that's all you know HOW to do.
Post by Desk Rabbit
Clearly from your tinkering you've never set foot inside a professional
recording studio
Other than my own DIY setup, which has much higher standards
than any pro studio.

"Professional" studios have been obsolete for nearly
20 years already. They have completely superseded by
cheap and universal digital technology.

A total ignoramus like you, however, has not yet gotten
wind of this undeniable fact, but even if you have gotten
wind of it you wouldn't ever believe it.
Post by Desk Rabbit
I've been in and out of professional studios on both sides of the desk
since the 1970's, I have a little bit of experience ;-)
You have experience only in the conventions of the industry.

You know nothing of the physics or sound, which is an ENTIRELY
different matter.
Post by Desk Rabbit
All of the above can be ameliorated with a compressor and experience.
Only an asshole uses a compressor.
Post by Desk Rabbit
With the train you can use the first pass to set the levels and wait for
the next pass.
Your assumption is that all passing trains and the concomitant
conditions are the same. But we all know that none of your assumptions
could withstand the test of reality.

A much better idea would be to wait for the next passing train
and then throw YOU right in front of it.
Post by Desk Rabbit
In the quiet room you would simply re-record the section where the noise
occurred.
That would completely destroy a possibly very hard won candidness
and sincerity.

Such a ridiculous suggestion only further indicates your basic
idiot nature.
Post by Desk Rabbit
every time you talk about audio you show how little you know.
I have NEVER talked about audio. NEVER. I have only provided
small fragments and scraps as a response to the idiocy and
lunacy that confronts me.

If I WERE to talk about audio, you would be buried in a
relentless avalanche of mathematical and physical concepts that
you couldn't even begin to understand.
DFS
2017-05-05 17:24:15 UTC
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Other than my own DIY setup, which has much higher standards
than any pro studio.
heh! Show us some pics - we want to howl with laughter.
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 17:41:10 UTC
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Show us some pics - we want to howl with laughter.
Like I am howling over your 57 line date conversion VB code?

(Actually, I am howling with disgust.)

But it will take you 5700 lines to make it work for ISO Week dates.

Then my howls will turn into raging screams.
DFS
2017-05-05 18:35:53 UTC
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Post by DFS
Show us some pics - we want to howl with laughter.
Like I am howling over your 57 line date conversion VB code?
It was 3 lines, lying fool.
Post by f***@gmail.com
(Actually, I am howling with disgust.)
You're so freakin' lame you really thought it was a big deal to format a
date with hashes instead of dashes.

"How would do this with your junk-shit VB code?"

Worldly and seasoned programmer you aren't. But now that I've shown you
some good stuff with VB and DatePart() your status at your Windows job
is improving.
Post by f***@gmail.com
But it will take you 5700 lines to make it work for ISO Week dates.
heh! Just like it would take me "until 2057" to return the date from
that legal statement?

It was 3 lines written and tested in 1 minute.

Dim s() As String
s = Split("On day 21 in the month of January of the year 2017", " ")
Debug.Print CDate(Left(s(7), 3) & "/" & s(2) & "/" & s(11))
1/21/2017

Poor Feeb - always loses.


And when you make bogus claims like "My wonderful C code can be modified
to accept ISO Week dates in 5 seconds." we all know you're just lying
your ass off.
Post by f***@gmail.com
Then my howls will turn into raging screams.
Like your Mom did when you were born.


You know you're wrong almost every time you open your mouth lately.
What's that all about?
Steve Carroll
2017-05-05 18:58:50 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by DFS
Show us some pics - we want to howl with laughter.
Like I am howling over your 57 line date conversion VB code?
It was 3 lines, lying fool.
Post by f***@gmail.com
(Actually, I am howling with disgust.)
You're so freakin' lame you really thought it was a big deal to format a
date with hashes instead of dashes.
"How would do this with your junk-shit VB code?"
Worldly and seasoned programmer you aren't. But now that I've shown you
some good stuff with VB and DatePart() your status at your Windows job
is improving.
Post by f***@gmail.com
But it will take you 5700 lines to make it work for ISO Week dates.
heh! Just like it would take me "until 2057" to return the date from
that legal statement?
It was 3 lines written and tested in 1 minute.
Dim s() As String
s = Split("On day 21 in the month of January of the year 2017", " ")
Debug.Print CDate(Left(s(7), 3) & "/" & s(2) & "/" & s(11))
1/21/2017
Poor Feeb - always loses.
And when you make bogus claims like "My wonderful C code can be modified
to accept ISO Week dates in 5 seconds." we all know you're just lying
your ass off.
Post by f***@gmail.com
Then my howls will turn into raging screams.
Like your Mom did when you were born.
You know you're wrong almost every time you open your mouth lately.
What's that all about?
It's called trolling:

--
"$20 will get you hyper-quality gear."
--

--
"The "profession" of recording has been obsolete for over
TWENTY FUCKING YEARS already.

Now, a 16-year-old post-punk rocker can produce better results
in his own basement."
--

--
"I can BUILD (not buy) a world-class microphone for about $3.95
in components."
--

He sees the giant whole left by that other "Idiot fatuous blowhard", T2M2 and
he wants to fill it. The $3.95 mic bit was the best IMO ;) I've posted about a
guy named Stephen Paul to this ng several times (maybe 4?) over the last few
years or so. The guy was a mic guru of sorts and had the best sounding MP3s
I've ever heard for acoustic guitar material. Anyway, he partnered with a guy
who did manufacturing on a mass scale to see if they could produce a mic
that SP would put his name one. AFAIK it never happened and it certainly
wouldn't have for $3.95 ;)
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 19:05:35 UTC
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He sees the giant whole left by that other "Idiot fatuous blowhard", T2M2 and
he wants to fill it. The $3.95 mic bit was the best
Have your giggle now, asshole. In time the whole fucking world will
be on MY side.

Only vast hordes of idiots, including you, stand in the way of
current realization.
Steve Carroll
2017-05-05 19:12:18 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
He sees the giant whole left by that other "Idiot fatuous blowhard", T2M2 and
he wants to fill it. The $3.95 mic bit was the best
Have your giggle now, asshole. In time the whole fucking world will
be on MY side.
Only vast hordes of idiots, including you, stand in the way of
current realization.
If you could make a world class mic for that price you'd have the audio world
at your feet. The only thing at your feet right now are the basement rats that
have overdosed on Cheetos and Jolt.
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 19:31:53 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
If you could make a world class mic for that price you'd have the audio world
at your feet.
That was just a bit of HYPERBOLE -- but only a bit.

In electronics, transducers of any kind, unlike signal processing circuits,
can be problematic.

There is no need to spend $thousands on a mike. An equivalent
can be built for much, much less.
Steve Carroll
2017-05-05 21:01:46 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
If you could make a world class mic for that price you'd have the audio world
at your feet.
That was just a bit of HYPERBOLE -- but only a bit.
LOL! That wasn't just a bit, that was hyperbole on steroids. I've built a
few pieces of signal processing gear, I know the costs involved.
Post by f***@gmail.com
In electronics, transducers of any kind, unlike signal processing circuits,
can be problematic.
Microphones, insanely so.
Post by f***@gmail.com
There is no need to spend $thousands on a mike. An equivalent
can be built for much, much less.
I don't own a mic that cost $thousands, If I need a high end vocal mic or
similar I borrow or rent. My mics are along the lines of:

Sennheiser 421/441, AKG 414, AT4050/4033, T.H.E. with KR-25A and
KR-33 capsules, Shure SM81 (and assorted others). Some of these I have
multiples of so, in total, I've spent $thousands (~8k). I only have about 20
or so mics and nothing high end but they get the job done. So go ahead
and tell me how you could build all of these for only $800 or even $80
and how they'd all be 'better' bearing the FeebTek brand ;)
Desk Rabbit
2017-05-08 11:47:49 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
If you could make a world class mic for that price you'd have the audio world
at your feet.
That was just a bit of HYPERBOLE -- but only a bit.
In electronics, transducers of any kind, unlike signal processing circuits,
can be problematic.
There is no need to spend $thousands on a mike. An equivalent
can be built for much, much less.
It's hard to take anyone seriously on the subject of audio when they
believe the shortened form of microphone is "mike" and not "mic"
Steve Carroll
2017-05-08 13:13:35 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Steve Carroll
If you could make a world class mic for that price you'd have the audio world
at your feet.
That was just a bit of HYPERBOLE -- but only a bit.
In electronics, transducers of any kind, unlike signal processing circuits,
can be problematic.
There is no need to spend $thousands on a mike. An equivalent
can be built for much, much less.
It's hard to take anyone seriously on the subject of audio when they
believe the shortened form of microphone is "mike" and not "mic"
It's weird, here in the states people often write 'miking', I've done it
myself, though I've never written 'mike' that I recall. I wouldn't hold
that against someone, even a lazy schlub like Feeb who has no idea of
the level of digilence required to do field recording of non-musical
sounds like he's talking about.
Desk Rabbit
2017-05-08 14:17:22 UTC
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Post by Desk Rabbit
Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Steve Carroll
If you could make a world class mic for that price you'd have the audio world
at your feet.
That was just a bit of HYPERBOLE -- but only a bit.
In electronics, transducers of any kind, unlike signal processing circuits,
can be problematic.
There is no need to spend $thousands on a mike. An equivalent
can be built for much, much less.
It's hard to take anyone seriously on the subject of audio when they
believe the shortened form of microphone is "mike" and not "mic"
It's weird, here in the states people often write 'miking', I've done it
myself, though I've never written 'mike' that I recall. I wouldn't hold
that against someone, even a lazy schlub like Feeb who has no idea of
the level of digilence required to do field recording of non-musical
sounds like he's talking about.
It's just a personal annoyance for me, I hate seeing "Open Mike Night",
sounds like surgeons operating on a patient for fun.
Incubus
2017-05-08 15:08:01 UTC
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Post by Desk Rabbit
Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Steve Carroll
If you could make a world class mic for that price you'd have the audio world
at your feet.
That was just a bit of HYPERBOLE -- but only a bit.
In electronics, transducers of any kind, unlike signal processing circuits,
can be problematic.
There is no need to spend $thousands on a mike. An equivalent
can be built for much, much less.
It's hard to take anyone seriously on the subject of audio when they
believe the shortened form of microphone is "mike" and not "mic"
It's weird, here in the states people often write 'miking', I've done it
myself, though I've never written 'mike' that I recall. I wouldn't hold
that against someone, even a lazy schlub like Feeb who has no idea of
the level of digilence required to do field recording of non-musical
sounds like he's talking about.
It's common here in the UK.

The recording engineer for Carcass' first album did a terrible job. His first name is Mike and he is recorded on the liner notes as 'Mike "it up wrongly"'...
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-08 15:29:54 UTC
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It's hard to take anyone seriously on the subject of audio when they
believe the shortened form of microphone is "mike" and not "mic"
"A microphone, colloquially nicknamed mic or mike ..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microphone

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

It's hard to take someone who resides under a rock seriously.
Desk Rabbit
2017-05-08 10:53:19 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
He sees the giant whole left by that other "Idiot fatuous blowhard", T2M2 and
he wants to fill it. The $3.95 mic bit was the best
Have your giggle now, asshole. In time the whole fucking world will
be on MY side.
Only vast hordes of idiots, including you, stand in the way of
current realization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

"The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability
individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their
ability as much higher than it really is. Psychologists David Dunning
and Justin Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive incapacity, on
the part of those with low ability, to recognize their ineptitude and
evaluate their competence accurately."

"This pattern of over-estimating competence was seen in studies of
skills as diverse as reading comprehension, practicing medicine,
operating a motor vehicle, and playing games such as chess or tennis.
Dunning and Kruger proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people
will:[4]

fail to recognize their own lack of skill
fail to recognize the extent of their inadequacy
fail to accurately gauge skill in others
recognize and acknowledge their own lack of skill only after they
are exposed to training for that skill"

I'm sure you can get some treatment for your condition.
DFS
2017-05-05 21:10:12 UTC
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Post by DFS
You know you're wrong almost every time you open your mouth lately.
What's that all about?
He's not trolling with this "junk-shit VB" hooey.

He's truly ignorant about it, and needs help back at his Windows/Access job.
Post by Steve Carroll
He sees the giant whole left by that other "Idiot fatuous blowhard", T2M2 and
he wants to fill it. The $3.95 mic bit was the best IMO ;)
ha! Some of the stuff he says is just ludicrous.
Post by Steve Carroll
I've posted about a
guy named Stephen Paul to this ng several times (maybe 4?) over the last few
years or so. The guy was a mic guru of sorts and had the best sounding MP3s
I've ever heard for acoustic guitar material. Anyway, he partnered with a guy
who did manufacturing on a mass scale to see if they could produce a mic
that SP would put his name one. AFAIK it never happened and it certainly
wouldn't have for $3.95 ;)
Right next to that $20 mic I showed you was this one for $3200

http://www.fullcompass.com/prod/015701-Neumann-U-87-Ai

What do you think about that one?
Steve Carroll
2017-05-05 21:14:10 UTC
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Post by DFS
You know you're wrong almost every time you open your mouth lately.
What's that all about?
He's not trolling with this "junk-shit VB" hooey.
He's truly ignorant about it, and needs help back at his Windows/Access job.
Post by Steve Carroll
He sees the giant whole left by that other "Idiot fatuous blowhard", T2M2 and
he wants to fill it. The $3.95 mic bit was the best IMO ;)
ha! Some of the stuff he says is just ludicrous.
Post by Steve Carroll
I've posted about a
guy named Stephen Paul to this ng several times (maybe 4?) over the last few
years or so. The guy was a mic guru of sorts and had the best sounding MP3s
I've ever heard for acoustic guitar material. Anyway, he partnered with a guy
who did manufacturing on a mass scale to see if they could produce a mic
that SP would put his name one. AFAIK it never happened and it certainly
wouldn't have for $3.95 ;)
Right next to that $20 mic I showed you was this one for $3200
http://www.fullcompass.com/prod/015701-Neumann-U-87-Ai
What do you think about that one?
It's a studio workhorse. I don't prefer the newer 'Ai' version to the original because the newer one is too bright for my tastes.
DFS
2017-05-06 03:43:40 UTC
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Post by DFS
Right next to that $20 mic I showed you was this one for $3200
http://www.fullcompass.com/prod/015701-Neumann-U-87-Ai
What do you think about that one?
It's a studio workhorse. I don't prefer the newer 'Ai' version to the
original because the newer one is too bright for my tastes.
$3200 for a mic? Is that representative of what good (or is that the
'best') audio equipment costs? yikes!
Steve Carroll
2017-05-07 17:44:10 UTC
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Post by DFS
Right next to that $20 mic I showed you was this one for $3200
http://www.fullcompass.com/prod/015701-Neumann-U-87-Ai
What do you think about that one?
It's a studio workhorse. I don't prefer the newer 'Ai' version to the
original because the newer one is too bright for my tastes.
$3200 for a mic? Is that representative of what good (or is that the
'best') audio equipment costs? yikes!
<https://reverb.com/p/akg-c-12?gclid=CKv3zIWp3tMCFZ22wAodwaIJUQ&hfid=4532033>

Shocking to many is that not every "good" or even every expensive mic is good
on every sound source. What a mic is paired with in the way of a pre-amp has a
LOT to do with the final outcome, too.
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 19:14:53 UTC
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Post by DFS
It was 3 lines written and tested in 1 minute.
Dim s() As String
s = Split("On day 21 in the month of January of the year 2017", " ")
Debug.Print CDate(Left(s(7), 3) & "/" & s(2) & "/" & s(11))
1/21/2017
What the fuck? This shit won't accept a date in ISO Week format
and then return the date of the following Sunday.

Don't forget those were YOUR specifications.
Post by DFS
And when you make bogus claims like "My wonderful C code can be modified
to accept ISO Week dates in 5 seconds."
You are correct, I did lie. The truth is more like 3 seconds.

My intention, since this a Linux advocacy group, was to illustrate
the capabilities of the GNU glibc library, which beats the fucking
pants off that Microshit VB junk.
DFS
2017-05-07 17:19:14 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by DFS
It was 3 lines written and tested in 1 minute.
Dim s() As String
s = Split("On day 21 in the month of January of the year 2017", " ")
Debug.Print CDate(Left(s(7), 3) & "/" & s(2) & "/" & s(11))
1/21/2017
What the fuck? This shit won't accept a date in ISO Week format
and then return the date of the following Sunday.
Don't forget those were YOUR specifications.
Only in your peabrain.

All I ever challenged was a better algorithm to find the next Sunday -
if the current date isn't already a Sunday. A challenge you failed, of
course.

You brought up a bunch of unrelated stuff: 'format date with hashes',
'format with julian day', 'format like legal statement', 'ISO week'.

As if it's magic and can't be done in VB, or pretty much any language
(well, to someone like you who can only use preexisting libraries it
does seem like magic).
Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by DFS
And when you make bogus claims like "My wonderful C code can be modified
to accept ISO Week dates in 5 seconds."
You are correct, I did lie. The truth is more like 3 seconds.
Bring it. You've demonstrated jack shit - either with a video or code
showing your 'wonderful function' in action.

As per usual, you make big claims but deliver little or zero proof.
Post by f***@gmail.com
My intention, since this a Linux advocacy group, was to illustrate
the capabilities of the GNU glibc library, which beats the fucking
pants off that Microshit VB junk.
You haven't done that in any way, shape or form.
Steve Carroll
2017-05-05 15:55:12 UTC
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Post by F. Russell
Post by Desk Rabbit
You set your levels correctly *before* you start recording, fixing or
detecting clipping after the event is just dumb
Another fucking asshole idiot!
With a LOT of audio material it can be difficult to
set the "levels" effectively. There may be sudden bursts
of amplitude that cannot be anticipated. The real world
is never as perfect as one would like to believe.
From your idiotic statement it is clear that you have little
actual experience in recording sound. I mean sound, not music.
Recording a passing freight train, for example, may be far more
intense than first anticipated. Also, imperfections of the
rail may cause sharp intensity spikes as the train passes. In spite
of prior "levels" adjustment the recording may contain much clipping.
And your answer is to 'see' the clipped audio *after* recording, with the
possibility of being unable to repair it? Gee, what a great 'solution' <eyeroll>!

1 - Get the necessary (and best quality you can afford) tool(s) for the job
2 - Learn how to use the tool(s)
3 - 'Fix it in the mix' (after the fact) usually means step 1 and/or 2 were ignored
Post by F. Russell
Go out in the REAL WORLD and attempt sound capture.
You act like it's a big deal.... but people do it every day.
Post by F. Russell
You may at first
establish a correct recording "level" but sooner or later you will
encounter an unexpected event that will cause clipping.
Which is why you take measures to alleviate problems as much as
possible beforehand. The main thing you're concerned with, the
unexpected spiking transient, can be dealt with to a great degree
with a little thought up front. A book falling? No problem. Am I
likely to hear a nuclear explosion in the library? No, so I don't have
to account for such an eventuality. You consider the location and
you account for likely eventualities. Sh*t happens... but a lot less
of it will affect your recording if you understand what you're doing
and the environment you're doing it in. A newbie recordist probably
won't get that train recording on their first try but after awhile, unless
one is *you*, there's a good chance they'll get the hang of it by
using their tools properly.
Post by F. Russell
You may be recording a conversation in a quiet room and then
someone will drop a book or other object. There are MANY
possibilities.
Yup, and almost all of them can be dealt with by using a little forethought.
Post by F. Russell
So you, and that other asshole Carroll, have shown yourself to
be an incompetent idiot.
Translation: Any and all sound advice is completely lost on you ;)
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 16:09:24 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
And your answer is to 'see' the clipped audio *after* recording, with the
possibility of being unable to repair it?
I NEVER mentioned anything about repair. NEVER. You are fucking
hallucinating again, you abysmal idiot.

The only issue here is checking an audio file for clipping. That's
all. Period. Case closed.

Admit yourself into a hospital. Chlorpromazine may stop your
hallucinations.
Post by Steve Carroll
Which is why you take measures ....
[snip hallucinatory rambling]
You ARE sick. In the fucking head you are SICK and DISTURBED.

This post is about checking for clipping in an audio file.
That's all. Nothing more.

There are potentially thousands of reasons for doing so (or
not doing so) but it's ALL FUCKING IRRELEVANT.

The only issue here is checking for clipping. Nothing more.

SO SHUT YOUR STUPID IDIOTIC HALLUCINATORY DELUDED IGNORAMUS
FUCKING MOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve Carroll
2017-05-05 16:21:08 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Steve Carroll
And your answer is to 'see' the clipped audio *after* recording, with the
possibility of being unable to repair it?
I NEVER mentioned anything about repair. NEVER.
So what's the point of looking at it, genius? You also "NEVER" mentioned
anything about listening to it, if those quick transients aren't discernible
*as* distortion there's isn't much of an issue.
Post by f***@gmail.com
You are fucking
hallucinating again, you abysmal idiot.
Said Feeb as he refuses to grasp the absurdity of his goofy 'challenge' that,
ironically, was only created to highlight 'smart' he is.
Post by f***@gmail.com
The only issue here is checking an audio file for clipping.
And that, to you, is a 'challenge' <shaking head in total disbelief> ?

Your 'challenge' here is tantamount to: Can you open an audio app.

Big whoop...
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 16:36:39 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
And that, to you, is a 'challenge'
In case you haven't noticed (and there is much that your feeble
brain HASN"T noticed) this is a LINUX ADVOCACY group.

A discussion of basic GNU/Linux tools is central to the issue
of advocacy.
Post by Steve Carroll
<shaking head in total disbelief>
Keep on shaking it harder and harder. You'll set yourself up
for premature dementia -- but I think you're past that point already.
Steve Carroll
2017-05-05 16:52:28 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Post by Steve Carroll
And that, to you, is a 'challenge'
In case you haven't noticed (and there is much that your feeble
brain HASN"T noticed) this is a LINUX ADVOCACY group.
A discussion of basic GNU/Linux tools is central to the issue
of advocacy.
LOL! Have it your way: So opening a "GNU/Linux " app is a 'challenge' to you?

Or are you trying to take a stance that, because it's "GNU/Linux", all common
sense can be checked at the door when it comes to audio recording?
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-05 17:03:52 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
opening a "GNU/Linux " app is a 'challenge' to you
WRITING a GNU/Linux app is an IMPOSSIBILITY for you.

That's why you, and your kind, are the favorite patsy of
every software salesman west of the Mississippi.
F. Russell
2017-05-07 16:42:33 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
The person with a working brain cares, they care about clipping *before*
they record the audio.
Next time use a limiter.
This kind of blatant nonsense must not go unanswered. Who knows?
There may be some impressionable people reading these posts that
could be seriously mislead by such erroneous advice.

There is NO ONE TRUE WAY to record audio!!!

Repeat: There is NO ONE TRUE WAY to record audio!!!

Remember that and don't ever forget it!!!

The poster is only referring to a standard or conventional practice
within certain groups -- but just because it may be standard or
conventional for some groups does not make it the ONE AND ONLY TRUE WAY.

Let us emphasize the primary fact:

The goal of any serious audio recording is to produce an accurate
and faithful reproduction of the real world.

But HOW this goal is attained CANNOT ever be specified. IOW, there
is no ONE AND ONLY TRUE WAY.

Thus, making a recording, checking for clipping, and re-recording
and re-checking as necessary until the sound meets the above goal
is also a PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE METHOD.

Do not allow anyone to tell you otherwise!!!

It is up to the individual user to decide for himself the best
method for his particular situation, and the user must always avoid
becoming a prisoner of convention. (Creativity trumps convention
any day.)

The case is closed.
Steve Carroll
2017-05-07 17:36:21 UTC
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Post by F. Russell
Post by Steve Carroll
The person with a working brain cares, they care about clipping *before*
they record the audio.
Next time use a limiter.
This kind of blatant nonsense must not go unanswered. Who knows?
There may be some impressionable people reading these posts that
could be seriously mislead by such erroneous advice.
If your big worry is errant, transient spiking that has "exceeded the maximum level",
the thing you've complaining about, a peak limiter is "ONE" way to do it. Another is to
adjust your level to accommodate what will be the loudest sound in the environment.
Being that you spoke of spikes that would be a total surprise to you (generally because
you don't know what you're doing and/or where you're doing it hasn't been taken into
full account), a limiter is, by far, best way for such a person (especially so if you aren't
able to rerecord the material).
Post by F. Russell
There is NO ONE TRUE WAY to record audio!!!
Said the genius that issued an "Audio File Challenge" regarding clipping that involved eyes,
not ears.
Post by F. Russell
The poster is only referring
... to your goofy scenario and your 'grasp' of the topic.
Post by F. Russell
The goal of any serious audio recording is to produce an accurate
and faithful reproduction of the real world.
An attempt at this requires knowledge of the tools available and the environment.
Post by F. Russell
Thus, making a recording, checking for clipping, and re-recording
and re-checking as necessary until the sound meets the above goal
is also a PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE METHOD.
Of course, in fact, this is done most of the time and for a number of reasons...
but you spoke only of *looking* for clipped audio after the fact so this point is totally
irrelevant, which is why you brought it up... a red herring to hide your idiocy.

The big clue you need: You don't record audio with your eyes, you don't check for
clipping with them, either.

Fact: With the advent of modern digital recording systems, contrary to some article
you've apparently read, not everything that goes beyond 0dBFS is actually clipped.

In this thread, where you compared yourself to Henry Ford and Elon Musk, you wrote:
"The issue is checking an audio file for clipping."

When talking about spiking transients (which you are), there are a lot of clipped audio
transients that you can't perceive as being clipped. The issue isn't that the audio is
clipped as seen by some piece of software, this issue is how it is clipped and to what
extent, a thing best determined by listening, not looking.

If your goal "is to produce an accurate and faithful reproduction of the real world"
AS WE HEAR IT IN the "real world" then you're going to be in for a bit of a shock
when you find out that goal can never be achieved.
Post by F. Russell
It is up to the individual user to decide for himself the best
method for his particular situation
For you the best method is to hire someone.
F. Russell
2017-05-07 18:46:08 UTC
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[snip more face saving denials]
If your goal "is to produce an accurate and faithful reproduction of the real world"
AS WE HEAR IT IN the "real world" then you're going to be in for a bit of a shock
when you find out that goal can never be achieved.
Acoustics and psychoacoustics are two entirely different things.

The case is closed.
Steve Carroll
2017-05-07 19:32:06 UTC
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Post by F. Russell
[snip more face saving denials]
If your goal "is to produce an accurate and faithful reproduction of the real world"
AS WE HEAR IT IN the "real world" then you're going to be in for a bit of a shock
when you find out that goal can never be achieved.
Acoustics and psychoacoustics are two entirely different things.
LOL! While you're in running mode, ponder this:

Why talk about producing an "accurate and faithful reproduction of
the real world" as you visually look for clipping in software afterwards?
If you have a clue about how to record with the goal of attempting
"accurate and faithful reproduction", clipping is, most likely, the least
of your worries by that point.

How successful will I be towards the goal of "accurate and faithful reproduction"
by using a pair of the mic DFS pointed to...

<https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XM8500?product_id=XM8500>

... as overheads for a kit, plugged into, say, a Realistic MPA-20?

According to your 'advice', as long as the room is good...

"But the gear is not so important as the room acoustical properties."
Post by F. Russell
The case is closed.
This case was closed before you wrote the first post ;)
Desk Rabbit
2017-05-08 08:25:40 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by F. Russell
[snip more face saving denials]
If your goal "is to produce an accurate and faithful reproduction of the real world"
AS WE HEAR IT IN the "real world" then you're going to be in for a bit of a shock
when you find out that goal can never be achieved.
Acoustics and psychoacoustics are two entirely different things.
Why talk about producing an "accurate and faithful reproduction of
the real world" as you visually look for clipping in software afterwards?
If you have a clue about how to record with the goal of attempting
"accurate and faithful reproduction", clipping is, most likely, the least
of your worries by that point.
How successful will I be towards the goal of "accurate and faithful reproduction"
by using a pair of the mic DFS pointed to...
<https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XM8500?product_id=XM8500>
... as overheads for a kit, plugged into, say, a Realistic MPA-20?
According to your 'advice', as long as the room is good...
"But the gear is not so important as the room acoustical properties."
Post by F. Russell
The case is closed.
This case was closed before you wrote the first post ;)
So in Feeb's recording studio, the acoustics are great, the equipment is
shite and noisy and because he can't set levels the artist will have to
do take after take after take after take to ensure a good recording. Sod
the performance, at least it won't be clipped but it'll be as noisy as fuck.
Desk Rabbit
2017-05-08 08:30:13 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by F. Russell
Post by Steve Carroll
The person with a working brain cares, they care about clipping *before*
they record the audio.
Next time use a limiter.
This kind of blatant nonsense must not go unanswered. Who knows?
There may be some impressionable people reading these posts that
could be seriously mislead by such erroneous advice.
If your big worry is errant, transient spiking that has "exceeded the maximum level",
the thing you've complaining about, a peak limiter is "ONE" way to do it. Another is to
adjust your level to accommodate what will be the loudest sound in the environment.
Being that you spoke of spikes that would be a total surprise to you (generally because
you don't know what you're doing and/or where you're doing it hasn't been taken into
full account), a limiter is, by far, best way for such a person (especially so if you aren't
able to rerecord the material).
Post by F. Russell
There is NO ONE TRUE WAY to record audio!!!
Said the genius that issued an "Audio File Challenge" regarding clipping that involved eyes,
not ears.
Post by F. Russell
The poster is only referring
... to your goofy scenario and your 'grasp' of the topic.
Post by F. Russell
The goal of any serious audio recording is to produce an accurate
and faithful reproduction of the real world.
An attempt at this requires knowledge of the tools available and the environment.
Post by F. Russell
Thus, making a recording, checking for clipping, and re-recording
and re-checking as necessary until the sound meets the above goal
is also a PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE METHOD.
Of course, in fact, this is done most of the time and for a number of reasons...
but you spoke only of *looking* for clipped audio after the fact so this point is totally
irrelevant, which is why you brought it up... a red herring to hide your idiocy.
The big clue you need: You don't record audio with your eyes, you don't check for
clipping with them, either.
Fact: With the advent of modern digital recording systems, contrary to some article
you've apparently read, not everything that goes beyond 0dBFS is actually clipped.
"The issue is checking an audio file for clipping."
When talking about spiking transients (which you are), there are a lot of clipped audio
transients that you can't perceive as being clipped. The issue isn't that the audio is
clipped as seen by some piece of software, this issue is how it is clipped and to what
extent, a thing best determined by listening, not looking.
If your goal "is to produce an accurate and faithful reproduction of the real world"
AS WE HEAR IT IN the "real world" then you're going to be in for a bit of a shock
when you find out that goal can never be achieved.
Post by F. Russell
It is up to the individual user to decide for himself the best
method for his particular situation
For you the best method is to hire someone.
Personally I'd not use a limiter on the input chain at the recording
phase, a correctly adjusted compressor would be my choice. I tend to use
a limiter only in the mastering session.
Steve Carroll
2017-05-08 12:31:26 UTC
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Post by Desk Rabbit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by F. Russell
Post by Steve Carroll
The person with a working brain cares, they care about clipping *before*
they record the audio.
Next time use a limiter.
This kind of blatant nonsense must not go unanswered. Who knows?
There may be some impressionable people reading these posts that
could be seriously mislead by such erroneous advice.
If your big worry is errant, transient spiking that has "exceeded the maximum level",
the thing you've complaining about, a peak limiter is "ONE" way to do it. Another is to
adjust your level to accommodate what will be the loudest sound in the environment.
Being that you spoke of spikes that would be a total surprise to you (generally because
you don't know what you're doing and/or where you're doing it hasn't been taken into
full account), a limiter is, by far, best way for such a person (especially so if you aren't
able to rerecord the material).
Post by F. Russell
There is NO ONE TRUE WAY to record audio!!!
Said the genius that issued an "Audio File Challenge" regarding clipping that involved eyes,
not ears.
Post by F. Russell
The poster is only referring
... to your goofy scenario and your 'grasp' of the topic.
Post by F. Russell
The goal of any serious audio recording is to produce an accurate
and faithful reproduction of the real world.
An attempt at this requires knowledge of the tools available and the environment.
Post by F. Russell
Thus, making a recording, checking for clipping, and re-recording
and re-checking as necessary until the sound meets the above goal
is also a PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE METHOD.
Of course, in fact, this is done most of the time and for a number of reasons...
but you spoke only of *looking* for clipped audio after the fact so this point is totally
irrelevant, which is why you brought it up... a red herring to hide your idiocy.
The big clue you need: You don't record audio with your eyes, you don't check for
clipping with them, either.
Fact: With the advent of modern digital recording systems, contrary to some article
you've apparently read, not everything that goes beyond 0dBFS is actually clipped.
"The issue is checking an audio file for clipping."
When talking about spiking transients (which you are), there are a lot of clipped audio
transients that you can't perceive as being clipped. The issue isn't that the audio is
clipped as seen by some piece of software, this issue is how it is clipped and to what
extent, a thing best determined by listening, not looking.
If your goal "is to produce an accurate and faithful reproduction of the real world"
AS WE HEAR IT IN the "real world" then you're going to be in for a bit of a shock
when you find out that goal can never be achieved.
Post by F. Russell
It is up to the individual user to decide for himself the best
method for his particular situation
For you the best method is to hire someone.
Personally I'd not use a limiter on the input chain at the recording
phase, a correctly adjusted compressor would be my choice. I tend to use
a limiter only in the mastering session.
The 2 bus is the place it's most often used but for Feeb I'd
recommend the limiter, I wouldn't let him near a compressor. He was
talking about a quiet conversation where a loud book drop
(inconsequential) would occur. A modern system has enough headroom to
deal with a lot of 'surprises' like this but you still have to have
an idea of what to expect; Feeb wouldn't, and there's no way he could
figure out how to set a compressor, so he gets a limiter. Remember,
you're talking about a guy who doesn't see any value in aligning tape
heads. Are you really going to give him that much responsibility? IMO
you'd bembetter off to risk him ruining the sound of that book dropping,
at least you'd stand a chance of getting most of the conversation
(I'm surprised he didn't claim it was "irreplaceble" material this time).
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-08 15:34:52 UTC
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Feeb wouldn't ....
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Next he'll be talking about the absolute necessity of using
balanced cable for all signal transmission.

Sorry, dumb head. The only thing that matters is RESULTS,
not how one obtains them.

As I already made clear, you are just a cheap technician
that can spew jargon but is completely lost on the fundamentals.
Desk Rabbit
2017-05-08 15:42:35 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Feeb wouldn't ....
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
Next he'll be talking about the absolute necessity of using
balanced cable for all signal transmission.
Sorry, dumb head. The only thing that matters is RESULTS,
not how one obtains them.
As I already made clear, you are just a cheap technician
that can spew jargon but is completely lost on the fundamentals.
Of course you should use balanced cables (Low impedance mics etc) unless
you want to introduce noise into your recordings you halfwit.

I regularly do live sound mixing, running a high impedance signal over a
snake is just asking for trouble. Either mic up the amp or DI using a DI
box and everything back to the desk will be over balanced cables and
noise & hum free. Occasionally I have the opportunity to drive a bigger
desk and these tend to have the preamps up by the stage and the link
back to the mixer is digital.
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-08 15:57:33 UTC
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Post by Desk Rabbit
Of course you should use balanced cables (Low impedance mics etc) unless
you want to introduce noise into your recordings you halfwit.
In terms of magnetic field and electric field coupling, how
is balanced cable superior to shielded, twisted-pair cable?

In other word, describe how each type cable functions.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! Another clueless loser
who can only spew jargon.
Post by Desk Rabbit
I regularly do live sound mixing, running a high impedance signal over a
snake is just asking for trouble. Either mic up the amp or DI using a DI
box and everything back to the desk will be over balanced cables and
noise & hum free. Occasionally I have the opportunity to drive a bigger
desk and these tend to have the preamps up by the stage and the link
back to the mixer is digital.
Steve Carroll
2017-05-08 15:52:55 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Feeb wouldn't ....
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
Next he'll be talking about the absolute necessity of using
balanced cable for all signal transmission.
LOL! It's just as I suspected... you're reading articles!

You're reading articles and then trying to bait people who know the topic
to convince them how 'smart' you are. Too funny ;)
F. Russell
2017-05-08 09:04:24 UTC
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Typical assholes. They will always insist on having the
last word.

Neither gives a damn about reason and common sense. They
are both prisoners of conventionality and cheap technicians
excluded from the realm of creativity.

The case is closed.

Now let them have the last word.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
Peter Köhlmann
2017-05-08 09:42:39 UTC
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Post by F. Russell
Typical assholes. They will always insist on having the
last word.
You mean that what you routinely do?
Post by F. Russell
Neither gives a damn about reason and common sense.
It is though that you lack both. Completely
Post by F. Russell
They
are both prisoners of conventionality and cheap technicians
excluded from the realm of creativity.
That would be the "realm" where you can't possibly participate
Post by F. Russell
The case is closed.
By whom? You?
Post by F. Russell
Now let them have the last word.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
Idiot
Steve Carroll
2017-05-08 13:33:13 UTC
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Post by F. Russell
Typical assholes. They will always insist on having the
last word.
Neither gives a damn about reason and common sense. They
are both prisoners of conventionality and cheap technicians
excluded from the realm of creativity.
The case is closed.
Now let them have the last word.
I can't wait to hear any word you've recorded in the field using ALSA on a Linux laptop
through your 'high headroom' USB mic <eyeroll> to see how it matches up with your goal
of producing an "accurate and faithful reproduction of the real world".
Desk Rabbit
2017-05-08 14:15:46 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by F. Russell
Typical assholes. They will always insist on having the
last word.
Neither gives a damn about reason and common sense. They
are both prisoners of conventionality and cheap technicians
excluded from the realm of creativity.
The case is closed.
Now let them have the last word.
I can't wait to hear any word you've recorded in the field using ALSA on a Linux laptop
through your 'high headroom' USB mic <eyeroll> to see how it matches up with your goal
of producing an "accurate and faithful reproduction of the real world".
Oh now that would be funny.
Steve Carroll
2017-05-08 14:25:27 UTC
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Post by Desk Rabbit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by F. Russell
Typical assholes. They will always insist on having the
last word.
Neither gives a damn about reason and common sense. They
are both prisoners of conventionality and cheap technicians
excluded from the realm of creativity.
The case is closed.
Now let them have the last word.
I can't wait to hear any word you've recorded in the field using ALSA on a Linux laptop
through your 'high headroom' USB mic <eyeroll> to see how it matches up with your goal
of producing an "accurate and faithful reproduction of the real world".
Oh now that would be funny.
It's exactly what he's been talking about. Look at this...

"Let's say that you have just recorded some audio material
using the wonderful Alsa recording utilities (PulseAudio
get the fuck out)."

... and then...

"From your idiotic statement it is clear that you have little actual experience
in recording sound. I mean sound, not music."

... and...

"Go out in the REAL WORLD and attempt sound capture. You may at first
establish a correct recording "level" but sooner or later you will
encounter an unexpected event that will cause clipping."

He's so clueless he doesn't seem to grasp what's involved. Of course, now
he'll 'bend' the scenario further to fit his idiocy... again... like he always does.
Steve Carroll
2017-05-08 15:06:40 UTC
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Typical assholes. They will always insist on having the
last word.
Neither gives a damn about reason and common sense. They
are both prisoners of conventionality and cheap technicians
excluded from the realm of creativity.
The case is closed.
Now let them have the last word.
I can't wait to hear any word you've recorded in the field using ALSA on a Linux laptop
through your 'high headroom' USB mic <eyeroll> to see how it matches up with your goal
of producing an "accurate and faithful reproduction of the real world".
Oh now that would be funny.
It's exactly what he's been talking about. Look at this...
Correction: It's what he's been talking about minus the USB mic,
he'd probably used the built in mic or one he 'built' himself!

You should get my main point, this fool would be bringing his laptop
to do field recording with the end goal of producing an "accurate and
faithful reproduction of the real world", as opposed to using a piece
of gear designed for attempting that job. You can get a somewhat
decent field recorder for *way* less than you once had to pay, here's
an example:

<https://proav.roland.com/global/products/r-44/>

Even using an external mic it's not as "accurate and faithful" as high
end gear made for the job but it'd beat the pants off his ALSA laden
laptop every day of the week. To do the work of a 'REAL MAN' field
recordist he needs to look at the kinds of gear he's already poo poo'd
on price because he can 'build it' for a fraction of the cost <eyeroll>.
Go ahead and ask him, he'll probably tell you he can 'build' you one
of these for about $3.95 in parts:

<http://www.sounddevices.com/products/recorders/702t>
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-08 15:26:06 UTC
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He's so clueless he doesn't seem to grasp what's involved.
Do you?

Write down, from the top of your head, the complete engineering
specifications for a "quality" sound transducer for the laboratory
recoding of sound (from material vibrations, musical instruments,
etc.)
Steve Carroll
2017-05-08 15:43:48 UTC
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He's so clueless he doesn't seem to grasp what's involved.
Do you?
Anyone who has ever done any field recording knows I have more of
a clue than you do.
Post by f***@gmail.com
Write down, from the top of your head, the complete engineering
specifications for a "quality" sound transducer for the laboratory
recoding of sound (from material vibrations, musical instruments,
etc.)
Other than a feeble attempt at *another* red herring, why ask me?
You seem to forget that you're the guy who claims he can 'build' his
gear for pennies on the dollar. Why not talk about the gear you can
'build' for one of these little outings of yours, how superior it would
be for 1/100 or 1/10 of the price of commercial gear? Oops!
f***@gmail.com
2017-05-08 15:54:25 UTC
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Anyone who has ever done any field recording knows I have more of
a clue than you do.
Other than a feeble attempt at *another* red herring,
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! I knew it. Underneath all his
jargon he's a complete PHONY.

In terms of engineering specs (frequency response, rolloff characteristics,
SPL, sensitivity, etc.) what is the definition of a quality mike
for the laboratory recording of sound?

Answer off the top of your head. Don't run to some reference.
Steve Carroll
2017-05-08 15:58:03 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Anyone who has ever done any field recording knows I have more of
a clue than you do.
Other than a feeble attempt at *another* red herring,
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! I knew it. Underneath all his
jargon he's a complete PHONY.
Here are some of (most of, I think) my personal mics:

<http://imgur.com/a/Hz21A>

Now put up a pic of all the mics you've 'built' for 1/10 to 1/100 of
what I've spent.

(snip red herring by a guy who looked at a reference who pretends he
can 'build' microphones for a fraction of the cost of commercial ones)
Desk Rabbit
2017-05-08 15:44:44 UTC
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He's so clueless he doesn't seem to grasp what's involved.
Do you?
Write down, from the top of your head, the complete engineering
specifications for a "quality" sound transducer for the laboratory
recoding of sound (from material vibrations, musical instruments,
etc.)
Easy:

1. Spend more than $3.95
2. Don't build it from kitchen scraps.
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