Discussion:
Another Ivermectin Study
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Tommy Turtles
2021-07-13 12:48:31 UTC
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"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"

"WASHINGTON — A COVID-19 treatment capable of ending the pandemic once
and for all may already be available for use. A team of researchers,
including three U.S. government senior scientists, are calling for
governments around the world to start treating coronavirus patients
with ivermectin. Their findings reveal the drug not only prevents
people from contracting COVID, but also defeats the virus and saves
lives.

“We did the work that the medical authorities failed to do, we
conducted the most comprehensive review of the available data on
ivermectin,” says Dr. Pierre Kory, president and chief medical officer
of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), in a media
release. “We applied the gold standard to qualify the data reviewed
before concluding that ivermectin can end this pandemic.”

Researchers conducted a comprehensive review of 27 reports from
clinical, in vitro, animal, and real-world studies. These include 15
randomized controlled trials, which are the preferred scientific method
of the World Health Organization, the U.S. National Institutes of
Health, and the European Medicines Agency.

Those findings reveal treating COVID-19 patients with ivermectin
resulted in large drops in coronavirus deaths. The recovery time from
an infection and the time it takes to clear COVID from someone’s system
also saw significant reductions among patients on ivermectin.

Additionally, three randomized controlled trials and five observational
controlled trials which included nearly 2,500 healthy participants
discovered using ivermectin noticeably reduces the risk of contracting
COVID-19.

Many countries are already using ivermectin, but why not everywhere?
Study authors note that several regions globally now recognize this
drug as both a powerful vaccine and treatment for COVID-19. The
countries of South Africa, Zimbabwe, Slovakia, the Czech Republic,
Mexico, and India have all approved ivermectin’s use during the
pandemic, according to the team. Researchers add their findings show
that immediate global distribution of ivermectin will likely lead to
“rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality.”

So the question is, why aren’t doctors in the United States and
elsewhere using ivermectin to treat COVID patients in 2021? Study
authors don’t have an answer for that, but are urging doctors
everywhere to demand that local and national health officials add
ivermectin to the list of approved coronavirus treatments right away.

“Our latest research shows, once again, that when the totality of the
evidence is examined, there is no doubt that ivermectin is highly
effective as a safe prophylaxis and treatment for COVID-19,” adds Dr.
Paul E. Marik, founding member of the FLCCC and chief of Pulmonary and
Critical Care Medicine at Eastern Virginia Medical School.

“We can no longer rely on many of the larger health authorities to make
an honest examination of the medical and scientific evidence. So, we
are calling on regional public health authorities and medical
professionals around the world to demand that ivermectin be included in
their standard of care right away so we can end this pandemic once and
for all.”

The findings appear in the American Journal of Therapeutics."

https://www.studyfinds.org/covid-19-cure-ivermectin/
Rabid Roach
2021-07-13 13:47:33 UTC
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"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
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pothead
2021-07-13 14:14:09 UTC
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"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
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-hh Huntzinger
2021-07-13 14:31:11 UTC
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Post by pothead
Post by Rabid Roach
"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
Indeed: Ivermectin is made/owned by Merck ... and guess who has had large
investments in that company?

"Despite campaigning on the pledge of “taking on big businesses,” Trump own
shares in big pharma companies including Pfizer, Merck, Celgene and
GlaxoSmithKline..."

<https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenniferwang/2016/11/29/trumps-stock-portfolio-big-oil-big-banks-and-more-foreign-connections/?sh=7543ecab464e>

Plus we're all quite familiar how TFG used to tweet comments to manipulate
the Stock Market ... as well as how there had been major Shorts occurring
at extremely convenient times to said tweets. Hopefully, the SEC will get
around to doing a full criminal investigation of those activities...


-hh
-hh
2021-07-27 12:26:56 UTC
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Post by pothead
Post by Rabid Roach
"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
Indeed: Ivermectin is made/owned by Merck ... and guess who has had large
investments in that company?
"Despite campaigning on the pledge of “taking on big businesses,” Trump own
shares in big pharma companies including Pfizer, Merck, Celgene and
GlaxoSmithKline..."
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenniferwang/2016/11/29/trumps-stock-portfolio-big-oil-big-banks-and-more-foreign-connections/?sh=7543ecab464e>
Plus we're all quite familiar how TFG used to tweet comments to manipulate
the Stock Market ... as well as how there had been major Shorts occurring
at extremely convenient times to said tweets. Hopefully, the SEC will get
around to doing a full criminal investigation of those activities...
A follow-up on Ivermectin.

TL;DR: watch this quick video for a good summary:

<https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/954681>

Deeper dive: the recent metastudy analysis claims there's some promise,
but its references include unpublished and pre-peer reviewed sources, some
of which have been found to have flaws (which will be found in peer review).
Removing just two papers found so far which have randomization failures is
enough to change the reported 'promising' results to "still don't know"
(eg, no significant difference identified).

More trials are underway; ETA for next insight = January 2022.


-hh

Snit
2021-07-13 14:42:10 UTC
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Post by Rabid Roach
"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
Follow the science and the evidence. Use logic and reason. Stop buying into
idiotic conspiracy theories. Stop spread FUD.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-13 16:10:10 UTC
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Post by pothead
Post by Rabid Roach
"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
Follow the science and the evidence.
Like you have with the lab vs market "science" surrounding Covid (where
nothing has changed except for Fauci's emails being made public)? What's
your position on this now, Mr. 'Science Follower'?
Snit
2021-07-13 16:38:52 UTC
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Post by pothead
Post by Rabid Roach
"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
Follow the science and the evidence. Use logic and reason. Stop buying into
idiotic conspiracy theories. Stop spread FUD.
Like you have with the lab vs market "science" surrounding Covid (where
nothing has changed except for Fauci's emails being made public)? What's
your position on this now, Mr. 'Science Follower'?
I *still* say go with the science. Look to peer reviewed research. It *will*
be wrong at times. Heck, the point is that it will improve over time. It is
still what I say to go with. That is in terms of COVID, including the disease,
the treatments, the vaccines, and the origin. That is in terms of climate
science, gender science, and economics. That is in terms of pretty much
everything.

How about you? Oh. You just want to push accusations and insults and attacks.
You do not want to go with the evidence. You want to misrepresent the evidence
and push hatred and bigotry.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Stephen Carroll - fretwizer
2021-07-13 16:51:10 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
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Post by pothead
Post by Rabid Roach
"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
Follow the science and the evidence. Use logic and reason. Stop buying into
idiotic conspiracy theories. Stop spread FUD.
Like you have with the lab vs market "science" surrounding Covid (where
nothing has changed except for Fauci's emails being made public)? What's
your position on this now, Mr. 'Science Follower'?
I *still* say go with the science. Look to peer reviewed research. It *will*
be wrong at times. Heck, the point is that it will improve over time. It is
still what I say to go with. That is in terms of COVID, including the disease,
the treatments, the vaccines, and the origin. That is in terms of climate
science, gender science, and economics. That is in terms of pretty much
everything.
How about you? Oh. You just want to push accusations and insults and attacks.
You do not want to go with the evidence. You want to misrepresent the evidence
and push hatred and bigotry.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
No one here has ever read my program, much less found a bug; still, in the
dark recesses of my brain, I'm thinking, "Silver "Christ is King" Slimer
could do this better".

You can say I am James Bond for all I care.

You're like a pregnant woman hiding behind a very skinny tree. We all see
you hiding there and let you know. And you're so stupid you keep failing
to see it.

Good grief, just recently John Gohde was declaring himself the only "true
Linux advocate", and claiming that "advocates" (in irony-quotes to try to
paint them as the bad guys) are actively working against the success of desktop
Linux.

Did John Gohde think that was clever? I'm about to just bin him, myself.
Like all losers, he's perpetually looking for some way to blame, no matter
how fantastic the accusation. I will not read his response to this post.
He is hurting, wants to pretend he is innocent, and will lash out. Most likely
opening with a cocky "*plonk*", as if what I've written is *so* crazy. That
BADish "response" was about the last straw, for me.


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Steve Carroll
2021-07-13 16:56:09 UTC
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Post by pothead
Post by Rabid Roach
"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
Follow the science and the evidence. Use logic and reason. Stop buying into
idiotic conspiracy theories. Stop spread FUD.
Like you have with the lab vs market "science" surrounding Covid (where
nothing has changed except for Fauci's emails being made public)? What's
your position on this now, Mr. 'Science Follower'?
I *still* say go with the science.
That's not an answer. You were parroting Fauci, who has since changed
his stance and it wasn't based on science. He didn't "go with the
science" and you followed him.
Snit
2021-07-13 17:17:04 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
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Post by pothead
Post by Rabid Roach
"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
Follow the science and the evidence. Use logic and reason. Stop buying into
idiotic conspiracy theories. Stop spread FUD.
Like you have with the lab vs market "science" surrounding Covid (where
nothing has changed except for Fauci's emails being made public)? What's
your position on this now, Mr. 'Science Follower'?
I *still* say go with the science. Look to peer reviewed research. It *will*
be wrong at times. Heck, the point is that it will improve over time. It is
still what I say to go with. That is in terms of COVID, including the disease,
the treatments, the vaccines, and the origin. That is in terms of climate
science, gender science, and economics. That is in terms of pretty much
everything.
How about you? Oh. You just want to push accusations and insults and attacks.
You do not want to go with the evidence. You want to misrepresent the evidence
and push hatred and bigotry.
That's not an answer.
You snipped most of the answer... and the question I asked of you.

And you always will. You are not here to have a conversation in good faith.
You hate the idea I accept the scientific evidence and respect fact checking
and look to reason and logic and equal rights.

Those things are completely contrary to your views.

Below you post vague nonsense without even saying what claims of his you mean.
And I do not care. I have no desire to beg you to get to a point.
Post by Steve Carroll
You were parroting Fauci, who has since changed
his stance and it wasn't based on science. He didn't "go with the
science" and you followed him.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-13 17:30:04 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by pothead
Post by Rabid Roach
"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
Follow the science and the evidence. Use logic and reason. Stop buying into
idiotic conspiracy theories. Stop spread FUD.
Like you have with the lab vs market "science" surrounding Covid (where
nothing has changed except for Fauci's emails being made public)? What's
your position on this now, Mr. 'Science Follower'?
I *still* say go with the science. Look to peer reviewed research. It *will*
be wrong at times. Heck, the point is that it will improve over time. It is
still what I say to go with. That is in terms of COVID, including the disease,
the treatments, the vaccines, and the origin. That is in terms of climate
science, gender science, and economics. That is in terms of pretty much
everything.
How about you? Oh. You just want to push accusations and insults and attacks.
You do not want to go with the evidence. You want to misrepresent the evidence
and push hatred and bigotry.
That's not an answer.
You snipped most of the answer...
I snipped away your smoke screen. Fauci's about-face has nothing to do
with science. He didn't follow it... and you followed him.
pothead
2021-07-13 17:37:02 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
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Post by pothead
Post by Rabid Roach
"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
Follow the science and the evidence. Use logic and reason. Stop buying into
idiotic conspiracy theories. Stop spread FUD.
Like you have with the lab vs market "science" surrounding Covid (where
nothing has changed except for Fauci's emails being made public)? What's
your position on this now, Mr. 'Science Follower'?
I *still* say go with the science. Look to peer reviewed research. It *will*
be wrong at times. Heck, the point is that it will improve over time. It is
still what I say to go with. That is in terms of COVID, including the disease,
the treatments, the vaccines, and the origin. That is in terms of climate
science, gender science, and economics. That is in terms of pretty much
everything.
How about you? Oh. You just want to push accusations and insults and attacks.
You do not want to go with the evidence. You want to misrepresent the evidence
and push hatred and bigotry.
That's not an answer.
You snipped most of the answer...
I snipped away your smoke screen. Fauci's about-face has nothing to do
with science. He didn't follow it... and you followed him.
...and right down the drain along with the other libtards who parroted
Fauci.
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pothead
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Snit
2021-07-13 17:48:13 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
How about you? Oh. You just want to push accusations and insults and attacks.
You do not want to go with the evidence. You want to misrepresent the evidence
and push hatred and bigotry.
That's not an answer.
You snipped most of the answer...
I snipped away your smoke screen. Fauci's about-face has nothing to do
with science. He didn't follow it... and you followed him.
...and right down the drain along with the other libtards who parroted
Fauci.
About what?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-13 17:55:45 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by pothead
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
How about you? Oh. You just want to push accusations and insults and attacks.
You do not want to go with the evidence. You want to misrepresent the evidence
and push hatred and bigotry.
That's not an answer.
You snipped most of the answer...
I snipped away your smoke screen. Fauci's about-face has nothing to do
with science. He didn't follow it... and you followed him.
...and right down the drain along with the other libtards who parroted
Fauci.
Yup.
Post by Snit
About what?
Don't worry your pointy little head over it ;)
Snit
2021-07-13 17:58:22 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by pothead
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
How about you? Oh. You just want to push accusations and insults and attacks.
You do not want to go with the evidence. You want to misrepresent the evidence
and push hatred and bigotry.
That's not an answer.
You snipped most of the answer...
I snipped away your smoke screen. Fauci's about-face has nothing to do
with science. He didn't follow it... and you followed him.
...and right down the drain along with the other libtards who parroted
Fauci.
Yup.
Post by Snit
About what?
Don't worry your pointy little head over it ;)
In short: you have no point, but you have insults.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2021-07-13 17:50:37 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Like you have with the lab vs market "science" surrounding Covid (where
nothing has changed except for Fauci's emails being made public)? What's
your position on this now, Mr. 'Science Follower'?
I *still* say go with the science. Look to peer reviewed research. It *will*
be wrong at times. Heck, the point is that it will improve over time. It is
still what I say to go with. That is in terms of COVID, including the disease,
the treatments, the vaccines, and the origin. That is in terms of climate
science, gender science, and economics. That is in terms of pretty much
everything.
How about you? Oh. You just want to push accusations and insults and attacks.
You do not want to go with the evidence. You want to misrepresent the evidence
and push hatred and bigotry.
That's not an answer.
You snipped most of the answer... and the question I asked of you.
And you always will. You are not here to have a conversation in good faith.
You hate the idea I accept the scientific evidence and respect fact checking
and look to reason and logic and equal rights.
Those things are completely contrary to your views.
Below you post vague nonsense without even saying what claims of his you mean.
And I do not care. I have no desire to beg you to get to a point.
And off you run. Again.
Post by Steve Carroll
I snipped away your smoke screen. Fauci's about-face has nothing to do
with science. He didn't follow it... and you followed him.
I bet not even you have a clue what you are talking about.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
pothead
2021-07-13 17:36:05 UTC
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Post by Rabid Roach
"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
Follow the science and the evidence. Use logic and reason. Stop buying into
idiotic conspiracy theories. Stop spread FUD.
Like you have with the lab vs market "science" surrounding Covid (where
nothing has changed except for Fauci's emails being made public)? What's
your position on this now, Mr. 'Science Follower'?
I *still* say go with the science.
That's not an answer. You were parroting Fauci, who has since changed
his stance and it wasn't based on science. He didn't "go with the
science" and you followed him.
Fauci is up to his eyeballs in connections to Wuhan lab and he has been
covering his own ass since day one.
Fauci is however the darling of the MSM so they protect him.
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pothead
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Snit
2021-07-13 17:48:38 UTC
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Post by pothead
Post by Rabid Roach
"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
Follow the science and the evidence. Use logic and reason. Stop buying into
idiotic conspiracy theories. Stop spread FUD.
Like you have with the lab vs market "science" surrounding Covid (where
nothing has changed except for Fauci's emails being made public)? What's
your position on this now, Mr. 'Science Follower'?
I *still* say go with the science.
That's not an answer. You were parroting Fauci, who has since changed
his stance and it wasn't based on science. He didn't "go with the
science" and you followed him.
Fauci is up to his eyeballs in connections to Wuhan lab and he has been
covering his own ass since day one.
And your support for this?
Post by pothead
Fauci is however the darling of the MSM so they protect him.
You made that up.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
J***@.
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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Each picks "The Most Useful Assumption", a.k.a. "The Science", for each.

The Pope follows "The Science".

Hitler, Karl Marx, Castro, and Cortez (1519) followed "The Science".

Kim JongUn goes wherever "The Science" takes him.
whodat
2021-07-13 18:30:39 UTC
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Post by J***@.
Each picks "The Most Useful Assumption", a.k.a. "The Science", for each.
The Pope follows "The Science".
Hitler, Karl Marx, Castro, and Cortez (1519) followed "The Science".
Kim JongUn goes wherever "The Science" takes him.
Jeff, are we speaking the same language. Going wherever "The Science"
takes someone is precisely what "following the science" means. It
appears something is missing in your descriptive(s) if you think there's
some sort of difference given what you wrote.

Are you OK?
chrisv
2021-07-13 18:49:24 UTC
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Post by J***@.
Each picks "The Most Useful Assumption", a.k.a. "The Science", for each.
The Pope follows "The Science".
Hitler, Karl Marx, Castro, and Cortez (1519) followed "The Science".
Kim JongUn goes wherever "The Science" takes him.
Jeff, are we speaking the same language. Going wherever "The Science"
takes someone is precisely what "following the science" means. It
appears something is missing in your descriptive(s) if you think there's
some sort of difference given what you wrote.
Are you OK?
He's a kook. 'The Pope follows "The Science".' Not.
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Steve Carroll
2021-07-13 19:44:36 UTC
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Post by J***@.
Each picks "The Most Useful Assumption", a.k.a. "The Science", for each.
The Pope follows "The Science".
Hitler, Karl Marx, Castro, and Cortez (1519) followed "The Science".
Kim JongUn goes wherever "The Science" takes him.
Jeff, are we speaking the same language. Going wherever "The Science"
takes someone is precisely what "following the science" means. It
appears something is missing in your descriptive(s) if you think there's
some sort of difference given what you wrote.
Are you OK?
He's a kook. 'The Pope follows "The Science".' Not.
Define the term "Science". IMO, that's the essence of his point. Did
Fauci follow the science when he stated that Covid came from "the wild",
only to turn around after some emails surfaced and subsequently suggest:
"But, it could have been something else, and we need to find that out."?

Put another way:
How long did the "kook" above have to watch posts written referencing
Dr. Fauci *allegedly* 'following the science'?
Snit
2021-07-13 20:13:53 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by chrisv
Post by whodat
Post by J***@.
Each picks "The Most Useful Assumption", a.k.a. "The Science", for each.
The Pope follows "The Science".
Hitler, Karl Marx, Castro, and Cortez (1519) followed "The Science".
Kim JongUn goes wherever "The Science" takes him.
Jeff, are we speaking the same language. Going wherever "The Science"
takes someone is precisely what "following the science" means. It
appears something is missing in your descriptive(s) if you think there's
some sort of difference given what you wrote.
Are you OK?
He's a kook. 'The Pope follows "The Science".' Not.
Define the term "Science".
https://onelook.com/?w=science
Post by Steve Carroll
IMO, that's the essence of his point. Did
Fauci follow the science when he stated that Covid came from "the wild",
"But, it could have been something else, and we need to find that out."?
The best evidence we have is it is natural. That does not mean we should not
investigate other possibilities.
Post by Steve Carroll
How long did the "kook" above have to watch posts written referencing
Dr. Fauci *allegedly* 'following the science'?
I am sure you can take comments of his out of context, but where are you even
saying he said things contrary to the best science we have had when he said
it?

I do have examples, and I understand why he did it. But I doubt you do.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
STALKING_TARGET_68
2021-07-13 20:22:58 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by whodat
Post by J***@.
Each picks "The Most Useful Assumption", a.k.a. "The Science", for each.
The Pope follows "The Science".
Hitler, Karl Marx, Castro, and Cortez (1519) followed "The Science".
Kim JongUn goes wherever "The Science" takes him.
Jeff, are we speaking the same language. Going wherever "The Science"
takes someone is precisely what "following the science" means. It
appears something is missing in your descriptive(s) if you think there's
some sort of difference given what you wrote.
Are you OK?
He's a kook. 'The Pope follows "The Science".' Not.
Define the term "Science".
https://onelook.com/?w=science
Post by Steve Carroll
IMO, that's the essence of his point. Did
Fauci follow the science when he stated that Covid came from "the wild",
"But, it could have been something else, and we need to find that out."?
The best evidence we have is it is natural. That does not mean we should not
investigate other possibilities.
Post by Steve Carroll
How long did the "kook" above have to watch posts written referencing
Dr. Fauci *allegedly* 'following the science'?
I am sure you can take comments of his out of context, but where are you even
saying he said things contrary to the best science we have had when he said
it?
I do have examples, and I understand why he did it. But I doubt you do.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
That's what Meat does when he gets mad. He quickly creates a flood, starts
a new thread so he can claim it was flatfish+++. Don't blame me it was
my left hand... and then Meat replies to it with his right hand. The guy
is as popular as a tax collector -- and with good reason. Meat is trying
again to slime Symantec.

In Meat's case, I, and a whole list of "crackers", had pointed to things
Meat said and did, he ignored the evidence. What Meat didn't deny was people
actually posting what I noted, which is how he ended up with his list,
as anyone can see.

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Steve Carroll
2021-07-13 20:32:47 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by chrisv
Post by whodat
Post by J***@.
Each picks "The Most Useful Assumption", a.k.a. "The Science", for each.
The Pope follows "The Science".
Hitler, Karl Marx, Castro, and Cortez (1519) followed "The Science".
Kim JongUn goes wherever "The Science" takes him.
Jeff, are we speaking the same language. Going wherever "The Science"
takes someone is precisely what "following the science" means. It
appears something is missing in your descriptive(s) if you think there's
some sort of difference given what you wrote.
Are you OK?
He's a kook. 'The Pope follows "The Science".' Not.
Define the term "Science".
https://onelook.com/?w=science
Post by Steve Carroll
IMO, that's the essence of his point. Did
Fauci follow the science when he stated that Covid came from "the wild",
"But, it could have been something else, and we need to find that out."?
The best evidence we have is it is natural.
Stop talking about "evidence" as if you even know what it is... it's not
something that is merely presented (as you erroneously stated elsewhere
when I corrected you). The fact is there's nothing indicating where it
came from... in either direction. And that's *always* been the case and
Fauci knew it, even when he falsely stated otherwise:

"That means it was in the wild to begin with." - Dr Fauci

There is, and was, *nothing* to support that and Fauci knew it.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
How long did the "kook" above have to watch posts written referencing
Dr. Fauci *allegedly* 'following the science'?
I am sure you can take comments of his out of context
And stop pretending you know what "context" is, it's goofy when you do
that given that you munge it every day of your life. As the above false
statement of Fauci proves, I took nothing out of context. All you've
done here is prove, once again, that you have no idea what context even
is.
Snit
2021-07-13 20:51:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by chrisv
Post by whodat
Post by J***@.
Each picks "The Most Useful Assumption", a.k.a. "The Science", for each.
The Pope follows "The Science".
Hitler, Karl Marx, Castro, and Cortez (1519) followed "The Science".
Kim JongUn goes wherever "The Science" takes him.
Jeff, are we speaking the same language. Going wherever "The Science"
takes someone is precisely what "following the science" means. It
appears something is missing in your descriptive(s) if you think there's
some sort of difference given what you wrote.
Are you OK?
He's a kook. 'The Pope follows "The Science".' Not.
Define the term "Science".
https://onelook.com/?w=science
Post by Steve Carroll
IMO, that's the essence of his point. Did
Fauci follow the science when he stated that Covid came from "the wild",
"But, it could have been something else, and we need to find that out."?
The best evidence we have is it is natural. That does not mean we should not
investigate other possibilities.
And you ran from this.
Post by Steve Carroll
Stop talking about "evidence" as if you even know what it is.
Would love to see what reputable research you are talking about. Here is some
I have seen:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7470595/
-----
The COVID-19 pandemic is among the deadliest infectious diseases
to have emerged in recent history. As with all past pandemics, the
specific mechanism of its emergence in humans remains unknown.
Nevertheless, a large body of virologic, epidemiologic,
veterinary, and ecologic data establishes that the new virus,
SARS-CoV-2, evolved directly or indirectly from a β-coronavirus in
the sarbecovirus (SARS-like virus) group that naturally infect
bats and pangolins in Asia and Southeast Asia. Scientists have
warned for decades that such sarbecoviruses are poised to emerge
again and again, identified risk factors, and argued for enhanced
pandemic prevention and control efforts. Unfortunately, few such
preventive actions were taken resulting in the latest coronavirus
emergence detected in late 2019 which quickly spread pandemically.
The risk of similar coronavirus outbreaks in the future remains
high.
-----
In short: we have known of the risk of such viruses for years, and no lab is
needed for that fear.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10311-021-01211-0?fbclid=IwAR1HMUMtLIAFOFppVasQDeoIAYrVhP8j4YoPO4wnaTOUiKLsllZl_oKryOw
-----
SARS-CoV-2 is a novel Betacoronavirus of lineage B (subgenus
Sarbecovirus) and the causative agent of COVID-19, the first
detected cases of which were identified in Wuhan in December 2019
(Huang et al. 2020a). The near-consensus view of the origin of
SARS-CoV-2 is a natural zoonosis (Zhu et al. 2020; Wu et al.
2020b; Zhou et al. 2020b). Bats are thought to be the natural
reservoir for SARS-related coronaviruses (SARS-r CoVs) (Li et al.
2005; Wang et al. 2006) and have been identified as the ancestral
source from which severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus
(SARS-CoV) evolved (Janies et al. 2008; Sheahan et al. 2008).
While several intermediate host species have been proposed as the
zoonotic source for SARS-CoV-2 (Xiao et al. 2020; Lam et al. 2020;
Zhang et al. 2020b; Zhou and Shi 2021), the source of direct bat
to human or intermediate animal to human zoonotic transmission of
SARS-CoV-2 has not been established. An alternative hypothesis,
that SARS-CoV-2 leaked from a laboratory, has been widely
dismissed (Rasmussen 2021), yet very few papers counter this
theory with data analysis (Andersen et al. 2020; Liu et al. 2020b;
Graham and Baric 2020) (Fig. 1).
-----
Seems natural, but we do not know for sure and it is worth doing more research
on (both to see where in nature and if from a lab).

https://www.scirp.org/html/4-2390088_99638.htm
-----
In December, 2019, USA refused to sign a new international
protocol to ban biological warfare. USA has developed the best of
biological warfare weapons and has set up 200 BioDefense
laboratories around the world. USA has been the only country that
refused WHO inspection of its biological warfare laboratories.
...
Collins continued, “Existing computer models predicted that the
new coronavirus would not bind to angiotensin converting enzyme II
(ACE2) as well as the SARS virus. However, to their surprise, the
researchers found that the spike protein of the new coronavirus
actually bound far better than computer predictions.” After
presenting two scenarios of circumstantial evidence of genomic
modeling, Collins concluded, “Either way, this study leaves little
room to refute a natural origin for COVID-19.” [29]Collins
continued, “The researchers [30] went on to analyze genomic data
related to the overall molecular structure, or backbone, of the
new coronavirus. Their analysis showed that the backbone of the
new coronavirus’s genome most closely resembles that of a bat
coronavirus discovered after the COVID-19 pandemic began. However,
the region that binds ACE2 resembles a novel virus found in
pangolins, a strange-looking animal sometimes called a scaly
anteater. This provides additional evidence that the coronavirus
that causes COVID-19 almost certainly originated in nature. If the
new coronavirus had been manufactured in a lab, scientists most
likely would have used the backbones of coronaviruses already
known to cause serious diseases in humans.”
-----
Acknowledges it seems natural, but it does also include this:
-----
I hereby present below the direct, unequivocal evidence that
2019-nCoV is a biological warfare weapon originally produced in
the USA, and that COVID-19 is a pre-meditated event designed for
the USA to consolidate and to sustain political and economic
supremacy internationally.
-----
Woah! That goes against your preconceived / racist attacks against China.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
-----
Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory
construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.
-----

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
-----
So, for SARS-CoV-2 to have come from this mine in China, WIV
researchers would have had to overcome some serious technical
challenges — and they would have kept the information secret for a
number of years and misled investigators on the WHO-led mission,
scientists point out. There's no evidence of this, but it can't be
ruled out.
-----

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/03/26/genomic-research-points-to-natural-origin-of-covid-19/
-----
Genomic Study Points to Natural Origin of COVID-19
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
.. it's not
something that is merely presented (as you erroneously stated elsewhere
when I corrected you). The fact is there's nothing indicating where it
came from... in either direction.
Your claim here is contrary to the evidence.
Post by Steve Carroll
And that's *always* been the case and
"That means it was in the wild to begin with." - Dr Fauci
There is, and was, *nothing* to support that and Fauci knew it.
Our best evidence is that it came from the wild. If you have contrary evidence
show it.
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
How long did the "kook" above have to watch posts written referencing
Dr. Fauci *allegedly* 'following the science'?
I am sure you can take comments of his out of context, but where are you even
saying he said things contrary to the best science we have had when he said
it?
I do have examples, and I understand why he did it. But I doubt you do.
And from here Carroll went into more personal attacks.. and never really say
what the hell you are talking about other than that Fauci noted, correctly,
that the virus came from nature (at least based on our best knowledge).
Post by Steve Carroll
And stop pretending you know what "context" is, it's goofy when you do
that given that you munge it every day of your life. As the above false
statement of Fauci proves, I took nothing out of context. All you've
done here is prove, once again, that you have no idea what context even
is.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Dustin the dude with the stuck floppy
2021-07-13 20:55:09 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by whodat
Post by J***@.
Each picks "The Most Useful Assumption", a.k.a. "The Science", for each.
The Pope follows "The Science".
Hitler, Karl Marx, Castro, and Cortez (1519) followed "The Science".
Kim JongUn goes wherever "The Science" takes him.
Jeff, are we speaking the same language. Going wherever "The Science"
takes someone is precisely what "following the science" means. It
appears something is missing in your descriptive(s) if you think there's
some sort of difference given what you wrote.
Are you OK?
He's a kook. 'The Pope follows "The Science".' Not.
Define the term "Science".
https://onelook.com/?w=science
Post by Steve Carroll
IMO, that's the essence of his point. Did
Fauci follow the science when he stated that Covid came from "the wild",
"But, it could have been something else, and we need to find that out."?
The best evidence we have is it is natural. That does not mean we should not
investigate other possibilities.
And you ran from this.
Post by Steve Carroll
Stop talking about "evidence" as if you even know what it is.
Would love to see what reputable research you are talking about. Here is some
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7470595/
-----
The COVID-19 pandemic is among the deadliest infectious diseases
to have emerged in recent history. As with all past pandemics, the
specific mechanism of its emergence in humans remains unknown.
Nevertheless, a large body of virologic, epidemiologic,
veterinary, and ecologic data establishes that the new virus,
SARS-CoV-2, evolved directly or indirectly from a β-coronavirus in
the sarbecovirus (SARS-like virus) group that naturally infect
bats and pangolins in Asia and Southeast Asia. Scientists have
warned for decades that such sarbecoviruses are poised to emerge
again and again, identified risk factors, and argued for enhanced
pandemic prevention and control efforts. Unfortunately, few such
preventive actions were taken resulting in the latest coronavirus
emergence detected in late 2019 which quickly spread pandemically.
The risk of similar coronavirus outbreaks in the future remains
high.
-----
In short: we have known of the risk of such viruses for years, and no lab is
needed for that fear.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10311-021-01211-0?fbclid=IwAR1HMUMtLIAFOFppVasQDeoIAYrVhP8j4YoPO4wnaTOUiKLsllZl_oKryOw
-----
SARS-CoV-2 is a novel Betacoronavirus of lineage B (subgenus
Sarbecovirus) and the causative agent of COVID-19, the first
detected cases of which were identified in Wuhan in December 2019
(Huang et al. 2020a). The near-consensus view of the origin of
SARS-CoV-2 is a natural zoonosis (Zhu et al. 2020; Wu et al.
2020b; Zhou et al. 2020b). Bats are thought to be the natural
reservoir for SARS-related coronaviruses (SARS-r CoVs) (Li et al.
2005; Wang et al. 2006) and have been identified as the ancestral
source from which severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus
(SARS-CoV) evolved (Janies et al. 2008; Sheahan et al. 2008).
While several intermediate host species have been proposed as the
zoonotic source for SARS-CoV-2 (Xiao et al. 2020; Lam et al. 2020;
Zhang et al. 2020b; Zhou and Shi 2021), the source of direct bat
to human or intermediate animal to human zoonotic transmission of
SARS-CoV-2 has not been established. An alternative hypothesis,
that SARS-CoV-2 leaked from a laboratory, has been widely
dismissed (Rasmussen 2021), yet very few papers counter this
theory with data analysis (Andersen et al. 2020; Liu et al. 2020b;
Graham and Baric 2020) (Fig. 1).
-----
Seems natural, but we do not know for sure and it is worth doing more research
on (both to see where in nature and if from a lab).
https://www.scirp.org/html/4-2390088_99638.htm
-----
In December, 2019, USA refused to sign a new international
protocol to ban biological warfare. USA has developed the best of
biological warfare weapons and has set up 200 BioDefense
laboratories around the world. USA has been the only country that
refused WHO inspection of its biological warfare laboratories.
...
Collins continued, “Existing computer models predicted that the
new coronavirus would not bind to angiotensin converting enzyme II
(ACE2) as well as the SARS virus. However, to their surprise, the
researchers found that the spike protein of the new coronavirus
actually bound far better than computer predictions.” After
presenting two scenarios of circumstantial evidence of genomic
modeling, Collins concluded, “Either way, this study leaves little
room to refute a natural origin for COVID-19.” [29]Collins
continued, “The researchers [30] went on to analyze genomic data
related to the overall molecular structure, or backbone, of the
new coronavirus. Their analysis showed that the backbone of the
new coronavirus’s genome most closely resembles that of a bat
coronavirus discovered after the COVID-19 pandemic began. However,
the region that binds ACE2 resembles a novel virus found in
pangolins, a strange-looking animal sometimes called a scaly
anteater. This provides additional evidence that the coronavirus
that causes COVID-19 almost certainly originated in nature. If the
new coronavirus had been manufactured in a lab, scientists most
likely would have used the backbones of coronaviruses already
known to cause serious diseases in humans.”
-----
-----
I hereby present below the direct, unequivocal evidence that
2019-nCoV is a biological warfare weapon originally produced in
the USA, and that COVID-19 is a pre-meditated event designed for
the USA to consolidate and to sustain political and economic
supremacy internationally.
-----
Woah! That goes against your preconceived / racist attacks against China.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
-----
Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory
construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.
-----
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
-----
So, for SARS-CoV-2 to have come from this mine in China, WIV
researchers would have had to overcome some serious technical
challenges — and they would have kept the information secret for a
number of years and misled investigators on the WHO-led mission,
scientists point out. There's no evidence of this, but it can't be
ruled out.
-----
https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/03/26/genomic-research-points-to-natural-origin-of-covid-19/
-----
Genomic Study Points to Natural Origin of COVID-19
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
.. it's not
something that is merely presented (as you erroneously stated elsewhere
when I corrected you). The fact is there's nothing indicating where it
came from... in either direction.
Your claim here is contrary to the evidence.
Post by Steve Carroll
And that's *always* been the case and
"That means it was in the wild to begin with." - Dr Fauci
There is, and was, *nothing* to support that and Fauci knew it.
Our best evidence is that it came from the wild. If you have contrary evidence
show it.
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
How long did the "kook" above have to watch posts written referencing
Dr. Fauci *allegedly* 'following the science'?
I am sure you can take comments of his out of context, but where are you even
saying he said things contrary to the best science we have had when he said
it?
I do have examples, and I understand why he did it. But I doubt you do.
And from here Carroll went into more personal attacks.. and never really say
what the hell you are talking about other than that Fauci noted, correctly,
that the virus came from nature (at least based on our best knowledge).
Post by Steve Carroll
And stop pretending you know what "context" is, it's goofy when you do
that given that you munge it every day of your life. As the above false
statement of Fauci proves, I took nothing out of context. All you've
done here is prove, once again, that you have no idea what context even
is.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Get a background investigation on RonB (aka ronb) and you will see that
he was in prison for a long time. The investigation sites do not go into
that level of detail and legal lists apparently are private unless court
ordered.

There's a few choices to choose from in so far as up down.
RonB (aka ronb): <rqebpk$f4d$***@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>
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Post by Snit
An "entire bot"? Meaning you are saying it is part of one?
That's all any of the code demos I've shown Snit
are, for years now.
-----

But then RonB (aka ronb) flip flops:

RonB (aka ronb): <rqk10g$j1c$***@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>
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So... these are "parts" the size of "code snippets", written in
AS, in this thread, not "the past"
(drop your drugs off with the police and DRY out)."
-----

RonB (aka ronb) starts with "for years now" but then denies that is
in the past. And RonB (aka ronb) insists the code from the past was not
tied to bots... directly contradicting themselves.

It was RonB (aka ronb) who forged me and did not even try to hide it.

--
"You'll notice how quickly he loses interest when everything is about
him. He clearly wants the attention"
Steven Petruzzellis, making the dumbest comment ever uttered.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-13 21:03:53 UTC
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On 2021-07-13, Snit <***@gmail.com> wrote:

(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
"That means it was in the wild to begin with." - Dr Fauci
There is, and was, *nothing* to support that and Fauci knew it.
Our best evidence is that it came from the wild.
Stop trying to spin it, anyone can see he what he stated and the
statement is self contained so all the context needed is there.

So, do you agree with Fauci's statement as quoted above or not? Does it
"mean" what he said it does, or not? A single word will do it but you
won't answer and we both know why.
Snit
2021-07-13 21:39:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
"That means it was in the wild to begin with." - Dr Fauci
There is, and was, *nothing* to support that and Fauci knew it.
Our best evidence is that it came from the wild.
Stop trying to spin it, anyone can see he what he stated and the
statement is self contained so all the context needed is there.
So, do you agree with Fauci's statement as quoted above or not? Does it
"mean" what he said it does, or not? A single word will do it but you
won't answer and we both know why.
Would have to know the date and see the context, but seems he is stating
what our best evidence shows. If you had proof it came from a lab you would
have shown it.

Here, the evidence you keep running from:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7470595/
-----

The COVID-19 pandemic is among the deadliest infectious diseases
to have emerged in recent history. As with all past pandemics, the
specific mechanism of its emergence in humans remains unknown.
Nevertheless, a large body of virologic, epidemiologic,
veterinary, and ecologic data establishes that the new virus,
SARS-CoV-2, evolved directly or indirectly from a β-coronavirus in
the sarbecovirus (SARS-like virus) group that naturally infect
bats and pangolins in Asia and Southeast Asia. Scientists have
warned for decades that such sarbecoviruses are poised to emerge
again and again, identified risk factors, and argued for enhanced
pandemic prevention and control efforts. Unfortunately, few such
preventive actions were taken resulting in the latest coronavirus
emergence detected in late 2019 which quickly spread pandemically.
The risk of similar coronavirus outbreaks in the future remains
high.

-----
In short: we have known of the risk of such viruses for years, and no lab
is needed for that fear.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10311-021-01211-0?fbclid=IwAR1HMUMtLIAFOFppVasQDeoIAYrVhP8j4YoPO4wnaTOUiKLsllZl_oKryOw

-----

SARS-CoV-2 is a novel Betacoronavirus of lineage B (subgenus
Sarbecovirus) and the causative agent of COVID-19, the first
detected cases of which were identified in Wuhan in December 2019
(Huang et al. 2020a). The near-consensus view of the origin of
SARS-CoV-2 is a natural zoonosis (Zhu et al. 2020; Wu et al.
2020b; Zhou et al. 2020b). Bats are thought to be the natural
reservoir for SARS-related coronaviruses (SARS-r CoVs) (Li et al.
2005; Wang et al. 2006) and have been identified as the ancestral
source from which severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus
(SARS-CoV) evolved (Janies et al. 2008; Sheahan et al. 2008).
While several intermediate host species have been proposed as the
zoonotic source for SARS-CoV-2 (Xiao et al. 2020; Lam et al. 2020;
Zhang et al. 2020b; Zhou and Shi 2021), the source of direct bat
to human or intermediate animal to human zoonotic transmission of
SARS-CoV-2 has not been established. An alternative hypothesis,
that SARS-CoV-2 leaked from a laboratory, has been widely
dismissed (Rasmussen 2021), yet very few papers counter this
theory with data analysis (Andersen et al. 2020; Liu et al. 2020b;
Graham and Baric 2020) (Fig. 1).
-----
Seems natural, but we do not know for sure and it is worth doing more
research on (both to see where in nature and if from a lab).

https://www.scirp.org/html/4-2390088_99638.htm
-----

In December, 2019, USA refused to sign a new international
protocol to ban biological warfare. USA has developed the best of
biological warfare weapons and has set up 200 BioDefense
laboratories around the world. USA has been the only country that
refused WHO inspection of its biological warfare laboratories.
...

Collins continued, “Existing computer models predicted that the
new coronavirus would not bind to angiotensin converting enzyme II
(ACE2) as well as the SARS virus. However, to their surprise, the
researchers found that the spike protein of the new coronavirus
actually bound far better than computer predictions.” After
presenting two scenarios of circumstantial evidence of genomic
modeling, Collins concluded, “Either way, this study leaves little
room to refute a natural origin for COVID-19.” [29]Collins
continued, “The researchers [30] went on to analyze genomic data
related to the overall molecular structure, or backbone, of the
new coronavirus. Their analysis showed that the backbone of the
new coronavirus’s genome most closely resembles that of a bat
coronavirus discovered after the COVID-19 pandemic began. However,
the region that binds ACE2 resembles a novel virus found in
pangolins, a strange-looking animal sometimes called a scaly
anteater. This provides additional evidence that the coronavirus
that causes COVID-19 almost certainly originated in nature. If the
new coronavirus had been manufactured in a lab, scientists most
likely would have used the backbones of coronaviruses already
known to cause serious diseases in humans.”
-----
Acknowledges it seems natural, but it does also include this:
-----

I hereby present below the direct, unequivocal evidence that
2019-nCoV is a biological warfare weapon originally produced in
the USA, and that COVID-19 is a pre-meditated event designed for
the USA to consolidate and to sustain political and economic
supremacy internationally.
-----
Woah! That goes against your preconceived / racist attacks against China.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
-----

Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory
construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.
-----

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
-----

So, for SARS-CoV-2 to have come from this mine in China, WIV
researchers would have had to overcome some serious technical
challenges — and they would have kept the information secret for a
number of years and misled investigators on the WHO-led mission,
scientists point out. There's no evidence of this, but it can't be
ruled out.

-----

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/03/26/genomic-research-points-to-natural-origin-of-covid-19/

-----

Genomic Study Points to Natural Origin of COVID-19
-----



Ok, throwing you a bone here: Fauci repeatedly said we did not need masks
when he likely knew they helped. This was done likely to make sure our then
rather limited supply could be best allocated. Still, it was contrary to
the science.

A shame Trump killed the project to be able to produce masks quickly right
from the start. Fauci also was placed in impossible situations under Trump
where he could not be open with the science. Like you, Trump hates science
and evidence and fact checking.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-13 22:43:42 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
"That means it was in the wild to begin with." - Dr Fauci
There is, and was, *nothing* to support that and Fauci knew it.
Our best evidence is that it came from the wild.
Stop trying to spin it, anyone can see he what he stated and the
statement is self contained so all the context needed is there.
So, do you agree with Fauci's statement as quoted above or not? Does it
"mean" what he said it does, or not? A single word will do it but you
won't answer and we both know why.
Would have to know the date and see the context
The date was before his more recent suggestion (after his emails
surfaced) that it needs to be looked into.

Anyone that understands what context is can easily see that it wouldn't
matter *what* he said prior to this statement. Of course you'll want
"proof" of something a 3rd grader wouldn't need to ask about:

It came from outer space. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."

It came from a wet market. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."

It came from a lab. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."

It came from Snit's house. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."

Spinning doesn't work because there's no additional context that could
ever change the meaning of what the statement is conveying in any way.

You don't have to agree with the facts, reason, evidence and logic of
this... and I suspect most who have read more than a handful of your
posts know you won't but you might want to consider it <shrug>.
Snit
2021-07-13 23:05:55 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
"That means it was in the wild to begin with." - Dr Fauci
There is, and was, *nothing* to support that and Fauci knew it.
Our best evidence is that it came from the wild.
Stop trying to spin it, anyone can see he what he stated and the
statement is self contained so all the context needed is there.
So, do you agree with Fauci's statement as quoted above or not? Does it
"mean" what he said it does, or not? A single word will do it but you
won't answer and we both know why.
Would have to know the date and see the context
The date was before his more recent suggestion (after his emails
surfaced) that it needs to be looked into.
Anyone that understands what context is can easily see that it wouldn't
matter *what* he said prior to this statement.
Here is a great example of where you fail to understand even the basics of
context:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
Sure, but what if scientists found the virus outside the lab,
brought it back, and then it escaped?
But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I
don't get what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot
of time going in on this circular argument.
-----

The assumption in the question was the virus came from outside the lab... but
you fail to understand how that is relevant to Fauci saying it came from the
wild.

Seriously, I do not know how to help you connect the dots there.

Seriously, read below... your nonsense is getting less and less coherent.
Post by Steve Carroll
Of course you'll want
It came from outer space. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from a wet market. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from a lab. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from Snit's house. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
Spinning doesn't work because there's no additional context that could
ever change the meaning of what the statement is conveying in any way.
The fact you claim to not understand how it being "outside the lab" is tied to
it being in "wild to begin with" is something I cannot help you with.

Where did you even see this quote? Doing moments of research I bet I can make
a good guess (though you will never say where):

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/biden-science-fire-fauci-sen-marco-rubio
-----
When asked recently why he had dismissed the lab leak hypothesis
given what we knew about the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV),
Fauci replied, "I didn’t dismiss anything."

That’s an outright lie. In a May 2020 interview, with National
Geographic he scoffed at the suggestion that "scientists found the
virus outside the lab, brought it back, and then it escaped,"
adding that "[the virus] was in the wild to begin with. That's why
I don't get what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a
lot of time going in on this circular argument."
-----

What do you know! Fox screwed up the context in the EXACT way you did. What an
amazing shock that is!

Of course, if you read the actual interview, you see Fauci does NOT actually
discount the possibility of the virus coming from a lab:
-----
Anthony “Tony” Fauci has become the scientific face of America’s
COVID-19 response, and he says the best evidence shows the virus
behind the pandemic was not made in a lab in China.
...
“If you look at the evolution of the virus in bats and what's out
there now, [the scientific evidence] is very, very strongly
leaning toward this could not have been artificially or
deliberately manipulated … Everything about the stepwise evolution
over time strongly indicates that [this virus] evolved in nature
and then jumped species,”
-----

In fact, he says much of what I have been showing you -- that the best
evidence shows the virus is natural, and that is true. Does not mean our best
evidence cannot change and lead to a different conclusion, and it is wise to
investigate other possibilities, but Fauci is very much correct in that
interview where you (and Fox) took a quote completely out of context to twist
it.
Post by Steve Carroll
You don't have to agree with the facts, reason, evidence and logic of
this... and I suspect most who have read more than a handful of your
posts know you won't but you might want to consider it <shrug>.
Do you see how completely insane your comments are? Seriously, I am not sure
what more evidence you can be shown to give you any hope to understand even
the basics of the science, no less the concept of context and how important it
is.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-13 23:48:02 UTC
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On 2021-07-13, Snit <***@gmail.com> wrote:

(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Of course you'll want
It came from outer space. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from a wet market. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from a lab. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from Snit's house. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
Spinning doesn't work because there's no additional context that could
ever change the meaning of what the statement is conveying in any way.
The fact you claim to not understand how it being "outside the lab" is tied to
it being in "wild to begin with" is something I cannot help you with.
LOL!

Fauci's statement here was done *for* the purpose of 'shutting down'
talk about it coming from a lab. As to your cluelessness about the
statement, why are you, the 'ever educated liberal', so clueless about
it? Here's a left-leaning outlet explaining what I just said, in an
CBS News article, published on MAY 5, 2020, entitled:

"Dr. Fauci again dismisses Wuhan lab as source of coronavirus"

(now why would they have *that* title, Snit?!)

We find:

--
"When asked if there could have been a scenario where scientists found
the virus outside the lab, brought it back and then it escaped, Fauci
shut the line of questioning down.

"But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I don't get
what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot of time going
in on this circular argument," he said."
--

"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
Smit Michael Glaser
2021-07-13 23:52:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Of course you'll want
It came from outer space. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from a wet market. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from a lab. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from Snit's house. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
Spinning doesn't work because there's no additional context that could
ever change the meaning of what the statement is conveying in any way.
The fact you claim to not understand how it being "outside the lab" is tied to
it being in "wild to begin with" is something I cannot help you with.
LOL!
Fauci's statement here was done *for* the purpose of 'shutting down'
talk about it coming from a lab. As to your cluelessness about the
statement, why are you, the 'ever educated liberal', so clueless about
it? Here's a left-leaning outlet explaining what I just said, in an
"Dr. Fauci again dismisses Wuhan lab as source of coronavirus"
(now why would they have *that* title, Snit?!)
--
"When asked if there could have been a scenario where scientists found
the virus outside the lab, brought it back and then it escaped, Fauci
shut the line of questioning down.
"But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I don't get
what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot of time going
in on this circular argument," he said."
--
"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
Just look at the effort Snit Glasser once again had to spend to get Deplorable
Owl able to pull messages from a website server via CLI. Snit Glasser once
again, took mistreatment from Deplorable Owl, instead of a great thanks,
much appreciated, response - that I feel Snit Glasser was owed for the
trouble and time he spent on the explaination.

Only what Deplorable Owl wants matters to Deplorable Owl. There is nothing
Snit Glasser can do to change that. It's a medical issue and it is what
it is.

Anyway, it should not matter because the name on a post does not matter,
we know it is from the stalker anyway. The text of the post is a bunch
of rambling bullshit. Which means...

Believe it or not, just recently Deplorable Owl was declaring himself
the only "true Linux advocate", and claiming that "advocates" (in scare-
quotes, who he also refers to as "the herd") are focusing on Windows more
than on Linux.

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2021-07-14 00:11:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Of course you'll want
It came from outer space. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from a wet market. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from a lab. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from Snit's house. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
Spinning doesn't work because there's no additional context that could
ever change the meaning of what the statement is conveying in any way.
The fact you claim to not understand how it being "outside the lab" is tied to
it being in "wild to begin with" is something I cannot help you with.
LOL!
Fauci's statement here was done *for* the purpose of 'shutting down'
talk about it coming from a lab. As to your cluelessness about the
statement, why are you, the 'ever educated liberal', so clueless about
it? Here's a left-leaning outlet explaining what I just said, in an
"Dr. Fauci again dismisses Wuhan lab as source of coronavirus"
(now why would they have *that* title, Snit?!)
--
"When asked if there could have been a scenario where scientists found
the virus outside the lab, brought it back and then it escaped, Fauci
shut the line of questioning down.
"But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I don't get
what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot of time going
in on this circular argument," he said."
--
"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
are you on some sort of dope
Snit
2021-07-14 01:01:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Of course you'll want
It came from outer space. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from a wet market. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from a lab. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from Snit's house. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
Spinning doesn't work because there's no additional context that could
ever change the meaning of what the statement is conveying in any way.
The fact you claim to not understand how it being "outside the lab" is tied to
it being in "wild to begin with" is something I cannot help you with.
LOL!
Fauci's statement here was done *for* the purpose of 'shutting down'
talk about it coming from a lab. As to your cluelessness about the
statement, why are you, the 'ever educated liberal', so clueless about
it? Here's a left-leaning outlet explaining what I just said, in an
"Dr. Fauci again dismisses Wuhan lab as source of coronavirus"
(now why would they have *that* title, Snit?!)
--
"When asked if there could have been a scenario where scientists found
the virus outside the lab, brought it back and then it escaped, Fauci
shut the line of questioning down.
"But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I don't get
what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot of time going
in on this circular argument," he said."
--
"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
are you on some sort of dope
At this point he refuses to say if he thinks the virus came from the wild, and
if so if he has any evidence to back it, but he is insisting that when asked
about scientists finding the virus outside of a lab that somehow does not
imply it was already in the wild. If not the wild where would the scientists
find it?

I really thought once Carroll saw the context for the lies he parroted from
Fox he would get a clue. He did not... or will not admit it.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-14 01:30:30 UTC
Permalink
On 2021-07-14, Snit <***@gmail.com> wrote:

(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
are you on some sort of dope
At this point he refuses to say if he thinks the virus came from the wild,
Fauci is now saying that.
Snit
2021-07-14 01:37:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
are you on some sort of dope
At this point he refuses to say if he thinks the virus came from the wild, and
if so if he has any evidence to back it, but he is insisting that when asked
about scientists finding the virus outside of a lab that somehow does not
imply it was already in the wild. If not the wild where would the scientists
find it?
I really thought once Carroll saw the context for the lies he parroted from
Fox he would get a clue. He did not... or will not admit it.
Fauci is now saying that.
Steve Carroll <sciho7$tmg$***@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
-----
Quote it or it didn't happen.
-----

Three questions you will run from:

1) How do you know how much code / programming is involved with the flood bot?

Hint: Because you are the one behind the bot.

2) If one assumes "scientists found the virus outside the lab", does that
imply it was in the "wild to begin with"?

Hint: Yes. Of course. Obviously.

3) Did COVID came from nature or a lab? What evidence do you have for you
belief?

Hint: Evidence shows it very likely came from nature, but it is worth looking
into Chinese and American labs.

See, Carroll, those questions are trivial to answer. But you won't.
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
%
2021-07-14 02:38:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
are you on some sort of dope
At this point he refuses to say if he thinks the virus came from the wild,
Fauci is now saying that.
saying what , that you are on some sort of dope
Snit
2021-07-14 02:43:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
are you on some sort of dope
At this point he refuses to say if he thinks the virus came from the wild,
Fauci is now saying that.
saying what , that you are on some sort of dope
He is a scientist... he merely notes all evidence shows that Carroll is.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-14 04:09:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
are you on some sort of dope
At this point he refuses to say if he thinks the virus came from the wild,
Fauci is now saying that.
saying what , that you are on some sort of dope
He is a scientist... he merely notes all evidence shows that Carroll is.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
It was William Poaster who got busted using tons of forgeries like a
moron, and these are 'people' who come out of the blue directly into
threads where he was being ripped apart... by chrisv for over a decade.

Just look at your programs and look at mine, there is nothing for anyone
to learn from a mindless moron like William Poaster. But hey, let him
keep making a blockhead of himself. What is your evidence? Now that nobody
is speaking to William Poaster, he's making it sound like he's broken
Native irc clients -- when in fact, people are just not playing his game
anymore.


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2021-07-14 13:44:06 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
are you on some sort of dope
At this point he refuses to say if he thinks the virus came from the wild,
Fauci is now saying that.
saying what , that you are on some sort of dope
He is a scientist... he merely notes all evidence shows that Carroll is.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
It was William Poaster who got busted using tons of forgeries like a
moron, and these are 'people' who come out of the blue directly into
threads where he was being ripped apart... by chrisv for over a decade.
Just look at your programs and look at mine, there is nothing for anyone
to learn from a mindless moron like William Poaster. But hey, let him
keep making a blockhead of himself. What is your evidence? Now that nobody
is speaking to William Poaster, he's making it sound like he's broken
Native irc clients -- when in fact, people are just not playing his game
anymore.
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sure they're still playing , at least , you are
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2021-07-14 13:42:56 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
are you on some sort of dope
At this point he refuses to say if he thinks the virus came from the wild,
Fauci is now saying that.
saying what , that you are on some sort of dope
He is a scientist... he merely notes all evidence shows that Carroll is.
well we already know that carhole is an idgit
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2021-07-14 02:37:35 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Of course you'll want
It came from outer space. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from a wet market. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from a lab. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
It came from Snit's house. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
Spinning doesn't work because there's no additional context that could
ever change the meaning of what the statement is conveying in any way.
The fact you claim to not understand how it being "outside the lab" is tied to
it being in "wild to begin with" is something I cannot help you with.
LOL!
Fauci's statement here was done *for* the purpose of 'shutting down'
talk about it coming from a lab. As to your cluelessness about the
statement, why are you, the 'ever educated liberal', so clueless about
it? Here's a left-leaning outlet explaining what I just said, in an
"Dr. Fauci again dismisses Wuhan lab as source of coronavirus"
(now why would they have *that* title, Snit?!)
--
"When asked if there could have been a scenario where scientists found
the virus outside the lab, brought it back and then it escaped, Fauci
shut the line of questioning down.
"But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I don't get
what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot of time going
in on this circular argument," he said."
--
"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
are you on some sort of dope
At this point he refuses to say if he thinks the virus came from the wild, and
if so if he has any evidence to back it, but he is insisting that when asked
about scientists finding the virus outside of a lab that somehow does not
imply it was already in the wild. If not the wild where would the scientists
find it?
I really thought once Carroll saw the context for the lies he parroted from
Fox he would get a clue. He did not... or will not admit it.
he sounds like a fuzzy tomato
Snit
2021-07-14 02:44:03 UTC
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Post by Snit
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Post by Steve Carroll
"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
are you on some sort of dope
At this point he refuses to say if he thinks the virus came from the wild, and
if so if he has any evidence to back it, but he is insisting that when asked
about scientists finding the virus outside of a lab that somehow does not
imply it was already in the wild. If not the wild where would the scientists
find it?
I really thought once Carroll saw the context for the lies he parroted from
Fox he would get a clue. He did not... or will not admit it.
he sounds like a fuzzy tomato
Prickly.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
%
2021-07-14 13:41:52 UTC
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Post by %
Post by Snit
Post by %
Post by Steve Carroll
"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
are you on some sort of dope
At this point he refuses to say if he thinks the virus came from the wild, and
if so if he has any evidence to back it, but he is insisting that when asked
about scientists finding the virus outside of a lab that somehow does not
imply it was already in the wild. If not the wild where would the scientists
find it?
I really thought once Carroll saw the context for the lies he parroted from
Fox he would get a clue. He did not... or will not admit it.
he sounds like a fuzzy tomato
Prickly.
red and runny
Snit
2021-07-14 00:59:06 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
It came from a lab. "That means it was in the wild to begin with."
How the hell do you get from the idea that if it came from a lab it was in the
wild to begin with?

Seriously, you cannot keep your ideas consistent from sentence to sentence.
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
The fact you claim to not understand how it being "outside the lab" is tied to
it being in "wild to begin with" is something I cannot help you with.
LOL!
It is hilarious... though you cannot see it.
Post by Steve Carroll
Fauci's statement here was done *for* the purpose of 'shutting down'
talk about it coming from a lab.
Have you considered, just considered, reading the actual article to get
context?

Wait.

You said the context did not matter. Now you have been shown the context. Do
you still not get it? He says NOTHING about shutting down talk in that
interview. He does note "the best evidence shows the virus behind the pandemic
was not made in a lab in China", and that is true based on all the evidence I
have seen.

Do you have evidence that shows otherwise?
Post by Steve Carroll
As to your cluelessness about the
statement, why are you, the 'ever educated liberal', so clueless about
it? Here's a left-leaning outlet explaining what I just said, in an
CBS News article,
More center than left:

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/cbs-bias-and-reliability/
-----
Bias: -3.21
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
"Dr. Fauci again dismisses Wuhan lab as source of coronavirus"
(now why would they have *that* title, Snit?!)
--
"When asked if there could have been a scenario where scientists found
the virus outside the lab, brought it back and then it escaped, Fauci
shut the line of questioning down.
"But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I don't get
what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot of time going
in on this circular argument," he said."
--
The question assumes "scientists found the virus outside the lab, brought it
back and then it escaped". Fauci is correct to say that means it was in the
wild to begin with.

I already quoted you other context of the article where he notes this does not
mean we know for 100% fact that it was from the wild, merely that the evidence
"strongly indicates that [the virus] evolved in nature and then jumped
species". I also showed you multiple studies that back this.

AGAIN (damn, it is like nailing Jello to the wall to get you to actually state
your views): Do you have any evidence that contradicts this? If so, what is
your evidence?
Post by Steve Carroll
"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
The interview was with National Geographic, not CBS. Fauci was not given
ANYTHING by CBS in the interview, no less an "out" for... whatever the hell
point you are dancing around but refusing to say.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-14 01:29:04 UTC
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On 2021-07-14, Snit <***@gmail.com> wrote:

(snip)
Post by Snit
You said the context did not matter.
And it doesn't within the scope of the discussion *we* are having, a
scope you seemed to have tossed out for some goofy reason.
Post by Snit
Now you have been shown the context.
You and I have been talking about that topic all along so this "now" BS
is just that.
Post by Snit
Do you still not get it? He says NOTHING about shutting down talk in
that interview.
So the CBS News got it wrong, too? How do you suppose they came to the
same conclusion where you assert "NOTHING" was said about it?

"Dr. Fauci again dismisses Wuhan lab as source of coronavirus"

"NOTHING" was said to hear you tell it, yet, that's CBS' title.

And CBS seems to believe he'd dismissed it more than once, as the title
indicates (with: "again"). He should *never* have dismissed anything and
he knows it. On the topic he's since made statements like:

“No actually. I am not convinced about that, I think we should continue
to investigate what went on in China until we continue to find out to
the best of our ability what happened."

Notably, that's another statement made after the email discovery.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
--
"When asked if there could have been a scenario where scientists found
the virus outside the lab, brought it back and then it escaped, Fauci
shut the line of questioning down.
"But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I don't get
what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot of time going
in on this circular argument," he said."
--
The question assumes "scientists found the virus outside the lab, brought it
back and then it escaped". Fauci is correct to say that means it was in the
wild to begin with.
And the assumption was meant as an assist for the issue at hand, talk
about it coming from a lab, you know, as per the title of their article.
Lab talk *might* mean (should mean) jail time for Fauci.
Post by Snit
I already quoted you other context of the article where he notes this does not
mean we know for 100% fact that it was from the wild
Fauci "notes" lots of things, Snit, *that* is the larger point here. He
shut down the 'lab line of questioning' when he knew he had no right to
do so.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
The interview was with National Geographic, not CBS.
I know where the interview came from. I'm quoting it as posted from the
more left leaning CBS article that I gave you the title and date of.

NG is rated: "Bias Rating: LEAST BIASED"

CBS is almost directly under "Left-Center"

IOW, I'm even giving you a handicap, as I so often do with this media
crap.
Snit
2021-07-14 01:40:25 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
You said the context did not matter.
And it doesn't
Yes. As I showed context matters. See question #2:

1) How do you know how much code / programming is involved with the flood bot?

Hint: Because you are the one behind the bot.

2) If one assumes "scientists found the virus outside the lab", does that
imply it was in the "wild to begin with"?

Hint: Yes. Of course. Obviously.

3) Did COVID came from nature or a lab? What evidence do you have for you
belief?

Hint: Evidence shows it very likely came from nature, but it is worth looking
into Chinese and American labs.

See, Carroll, those questions are trivial to answer. But you won't.
Post by Steve Carroll
within the scope of the discussion *we* are having, a
scope you seemed to have tossed out for some goofy reason.
Post by Snit
Now you have been shown the context.
You and I have been talking about that topic all along so this "now" BS
is just that.
Post by Snit
Do you still not get it? He says NOTHING about shutting down talk in
that interview.
So the CBS News got it wrong, too?
You were wrong to say CBS gave him an "out" in an interview they were not even
a part of!
Post by Steve Carroll
How do you suppose they came to the
same conclusion where you assert "NOTHING" was said about it?
"Dr. Fauci again dismisses Wuhan lab as source of coronavirus"
"NOTHING" was said to hear you tell it, yet, that's CBS' title.
And CBS seems to believe he'd dismissed it more than once, as the title
indicates (with: "again"). He should *never* have dismissed anything and
“No actually. I am not convinced about that, I think we should continue
to investigate what went on in China until we continue to find out to
the best of our ability what happened."
Notably, that's another statement made after the email discovery.
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
--
"When asked if there could have been a scenario where scientists found
the virus outside the lab, brought it back and then it escaped, Fauci
shut the line of questioning down.
"But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I don't get
what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot of time going
in on this circular argument," he said."
--
The question assumes "scientists found the virus outside the lab, brought it
back and then it escaped". Fauci is correct to say that means it was in the
wild to begin with.
And the assumption was meant as an assist
You made that up.
Post by Steve Carroll
for the issue at hand, talk
about it coming from a lab, you know, as per the title of their article.
Lab talk *might* mean (should mean) jail time for Fauci.
Post by Snit
I already quoted you other context of the article where he notes this does not
mean we know for 100% fact that it was from the wild
Fauci "notes" lots of things, Snit, *that* is the larger point here.
The fact he is not a one note pony is an issue to you. Uh, OK.
Post by Steve Carroll
He
shut down the 'lab line of questioning' when he knew he had no right to
do so.
I already quoted other parts of the interview to you where he did no such
thing.
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
"Fauci shut the line of questioning down" with the statement we're
discussing, at least, he tried to. Get it YET? Pay attention, not only
did he attempt to shut lab questions down, CBS was even trying to give
him an 'out' and he *didn't* take it. But we know why, it's tied to
gain of function he was not supposed to be involved in by law.
The interview was with National Geographic, not CBS.
I know where the interview came from.
Meaning you were not incorrect you lied. Got it.
Post by Steve Carroll
I'm quoting it as posted from the
more left leaning CBS article that I gave you the title and date of.
NG is rated: "Bias Rating: LEAST BIASED"
CBS is almost directly under "Left-Center"
IOW, I'm even giving you a handicap, as I so often do with this media
crap.
--
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-14 01:55:19 UTC
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On 2021-07-14, Snit <***@gmail.com> wrote:

(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Do you still not get it? He says NOTHING about shutting down talk in
that interview.
So the CBS News got it wrong, too?
You were wrong to say CBS gave him an "out" in an interview they were not even
a part of!
You're further left than the leftist MSM, just as I said recently,
you're just not aware of it. Fauci got the *real* assist from CBS, that
of keeping his ass out of jail. That trumps the measly "context" of any
of these 'discussions'.
Snit
2021-07-14 02:34:52 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Do you still not get it? He says NOTHING about shutting down talk in
that interview.
So the CBS News got it wrong, too?
You were wrong to say CBS gave him an "out" in an interview they were not even
a part of!
You're further left than the leftist MSM, just as I said recently,
you're just not aware of it.
You know I do not see the media as being that liberal, and I do see myself as
being quite liberal (in terms of backing equal rights and the environment),
yet you cannot figure out I see myself as being more liberal than the media.

Your need to be my spokesperson and your failure to use logic have gotten you
all twisted in knots again.n
Post by Steve Carroll
Fauci got the *real* assist from CBS,
They were not even a part of the interview. It was with National Geographic.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd




Three questions you will run from:

1) How do you know how much code / programming is involved with the flood bot?

Hint: Because you are the one behind the bot.

2) If one assumes "scientists found the virus outside the lab", does that
imply it was in the "wild to begin with"?

Hint: Yes. Of course. Obviously.

3) Did COVID came from nature or a lab? What evidence do you have for you
belief?

Hint: Evidence shows it very likely came from nature, but it is worth looking
into Chinese and American labs.

See, Carroll, those questions are trivial to answer. But you won't.
Post by Steve Carroll
that
of keeping his ass out of jail. That trumps the measly "context" of any
of these 'discussions'.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-14 17:09:18 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Do you still not get it? He says NOTHING about shutting down talk in
that interview.
So the CBS News got it wrong, too?
You were wrong to say CBS gave him an "out" in an interview they were not even
a part of!
You're further left than the leftist MSM, just as I said recently,
you're just not aware of it.
You know I do not see the media as being that liberal
Yet, they are "that liberal".
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Fauci got the *real* assist from CBS,
They were not even a part of the interview.
They were the authors of the article I cited. It's not important anyway
as you failed to grasp the concept of a "circular argument" in both
articles.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-14 17:10:43 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Do you still not get it? He says NOTHING about shutting down talk in
that interview.
So the CBS News got it wrong, too?
You were wrong to say CBS gave him an "out" in an interview they were not even
a part of!
You're further left than the leftist MSM, just as I said recently,
you're just not aware of it.
You know I do not see the media as being that liberal
Yet, they are "that liberal".
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Fauci got the *real* assist from CBS,
They were not even a part of the interview.
They were the authors of the article I cited. It's not important anyway
as you failed to grasp the concept of a "circular argument" in both
articles.
Nothing's crashed since the last time you brought this up, with the oddity
chrisv is claiming a false negative hit from a piece of software not invented
by or controlled by the Malwarebytes author 'raped' your newsgroup. My view
is beyond your understanding.

I am not going to play like The Flying Spaghetti Monster didn't help me
on image editing and I acknowledge his service. chrisv has my posts to study
and can begin to seem like he grew a brain from this day forward. chrisv
has yet to show how macOS does anything above the minimum on Linux.

We're all sorry chrisv's a paranoid, narcissistic, delusional liar but
that's not gonna change anything <shrug>.

Over and over, the surface request is chrisv wants to "talk tech", but
chrisv spends most of his time whining about "macOS".

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Snit
2021-07-14 17:24:53 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Do you still not get it? He says NOTHING about shutting down talk in
that interview.
So the CBS News got it wrong, too?
You were wrong to say CBS gave him an "out" in an interview they were not even
a part of!
You're further left than the leftist MSM, just as I said recently,
you're just not aware of it.
You know I do not see the media as being that liberal, and I do see myself as
being quite liberal (in terms of backing equal rights and the environment),
yet you cannot figure out I see myself as being more liberal than the media.
Your need to be my spokesperson and your failure to use logic have gotten you
all twisted in knots again.
Yet, they are "that liberal".
Not even gonna try to figure out what you mean by that, the point is you lied
and were busted doing so again. Why can't you focus on topics and not on lying
about me?
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Fauci got the *real* assist from CBS,
They were not even a part of the interview. It was with National Geographic.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd
1) How do you know how much code / programming is involved with the flood bot?
Hint: Because you are the one behind the bot.
2) If one assumes "scientists found the virus outside the lab", does that
imply it was in the "wild to begin with"?
Hint: Yes. Of course. Obviously.
3) Did COVID came from nature or a lab? What evidence do you have for you
belief?
Hint: Evidence shows it very likely came from nature, but it is worth looking
into Chinese and American labs.
See, Carroll, those questions are trivial to answer. But you won't.
They were the authors of the article I cited.
You did not cite anything until I showed you the interview. You said context
did not even matter. Then you lied about those in the article you later cited
helping Fauci in the interview when they were not even involved in the
interview.

At this point do you even know what the hell your point is? You started with
an attack on the very idea of reason and logic and science, given how those
are liberal things... then you went after Fauci and provided a quote you said
the context was irrelevant for, even as you refused to state what your views
on the topic of the quote even were (you focused on a person and not an idea).
Then you were shown the context and how it did matter -- how Fauci in the same
interview made it clear was speaking not in the absoluteness you tried to push
but what was out best evidence. Then you pointed to an unrelated news
organization and lied about them helping him in the interview.

You have been all over the map, and refuse to answer even the most basic
questions.
Post by Steve Carroll
It's not important anyway
as you failed to grasp the concept of a "circular argument" in both
articles.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
Sure, but what if scientists found the virus outside the lab,
brought it back, and then it escaped?
But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I
don't get what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot
of time going in on this circular argument.
-----

Fauci used that term and now you repeat it, not even showing you know what it
means.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-14 18:04:52 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Do you still not get it? He says NOTHING about shutting down talk in
that interview.
So the CBS News got it wrong, too?
You were wrong to say CBS gave him an "out" in an interview they were not even
a part of!
You're further left than the leftist MSM, just as I said recently,
you're just not aware of it.
You know I do not see the media as being that liberal, and I do see myself as
being quite liberal (in terms of backing equal rights and the environment),
yet you cannot figure out I see myself as being more liberal than the media.
Your need to be my spokesperson and your failure to use logic have gotten you
all twisted in knots again.
Yet, they are "that liberal".
Not even gonna try to figure out what you mean by that, the point is you lied
and were busted doing so again. Why can't you focus on topics and not on lying
about me?
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Fauci got the *real* assist from CBS,
They were not even a part of the interview. It was with National Geographic.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd
1) How do you know how much code / programming is involved with the flood bot?
Hint: Because you are the one behind the bot.
2) If one assumes "scientists found the virus outside the lab", does that
imply it was in the "wild to begin with"?
Hint: Yes. Of course. Obviously.
3) Did COVID came from nature or a lab? What evidence do you have for you
belief?
Hint: Evidence shows it very likely came from nature, but it is worth looking
into Chinese and American labs.
See, Carroll, those questions are trivial to answer. But you won't.
They were the authors of the article I cited.
You did not cite anything
More lecturing from the 'educated liberal'?

cite: quote (a passage, book, or author) as evidence for or
justification of an argument or statement, especially in a scholarly
work.

Fact: I quoted to you the title, the date and the name of the 'news'
organization of the article in question:

--
"Here's a left-leaning outlet explaining what I just said, in an
CBS News article, published on MAY 5, 2020, entitled:

"Dr. Fauci again dismisses Wuhan lab as source of coronavirus"

(now why would they have *that* title, Snit?!)"
--
Snit
2021-07-14 18:23:22 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 14, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<scn904$tpi$***@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
...
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
They were the authors of the article I cited.
You did not cite anything until I showed you the interview. You said context
did not even matter. Then you lied about those in the article you later cited
helping Fauci in the interview when they were not even involved in the
interview.
At this point do you even know what the hell your point is? You started with
an attack on the very idea of reason and logic and science, given how those
are liberal things... then you went after Fauci and provided a quote you said
the context was irrelevant for, even as you refused to state what your views
on the topic of the quote even were (you focused on a person and not an idea).
Then you were shown the context and how it did matter -- how Fauci in the same
interview made it clear was speaking not in the absoluteness you tried to push
but what was out best evidence. Then you pointed to an unrelated news
organization and lied about them helping him in the interview.
You have been all over the map, and refuse to answer even the most basic
questions.
And you ran from this, snipping most of it.
Post by Steve Carroll
More lecturing from the 'educated liberal'?
The very idea of being educated and backing equal rights is something you
hate.

And below you continue to avoid actually saying what the hell you are worked
up over. Fauci was asked a question. He answered it, noting the circular
argument. You saw that term and used it incorrectly, and never made an actual
point.
Post by Steve Carroll
cite: quote (a passage, book, or author) as evidence for or
justification of an argument or statement, especially in a scholarly
work.
Fact: I quoted to you the title, the date and the name of the 'news'
--
"Here's a left-leaning outlet explaining what I just said, in an
"Dr. Fauci again dismisses Wuhan lab as source of coronavirus"
(now why would they have *that* title, Snit?!)"
--
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2021-07-13 21:51:15 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
"That means it was in the wild to begin with." - Dr Fauci
There is, and was, *nothing* to support that and Fauci knew it.
Our best evidence is that it came from the wild.
Stop trying to spin it, anyone can see he what he stated and the
statement is self contained so all the context needed is there.
OK, given how you could not find the context, no less even showing an
understanding of what the concept of context means, I am doing you a favor and
helping you find the context.

This is where the quote came from:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
Sure, but what if scientists found the virus outside the lab,
brought it back, and then it escaped?
But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I
don't get what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot
of time going in on this circular argument.
-----
Yeah, you left out very important key context... the fact the very premise of
the question he asked was if it was found outside the lab... which would of
course mean it was in the wild!

Is there ever a time when you are not just parroting some right wing source
without understanding the context? Is there ever a time you do even a little
research to understand what you are talking about? Is there ever a time you
even show understanding of what context is?
Post by Steve Carroll
So, do you agree with Fauci's statement as quoted above or not?
Now that I have seen the actual context, and know the quote is in reference to
a question that specially speaks of it coming from outside a lab, I absolutely
agree with him. He is just using basic logic (and, I suppose, discounting the
idea it came from aliens or some other bizarre source). The very question
assumes it did not come from a lab!
Post by Steve Carroll
Does it "mean" what he said it does, or not?
His answer is clear, concise, and accurate. Your efforts to smear him here are
insane.
Post by Steve Carroll
A single word will do it but you
won't answer and we both know why.
The answer is I like to know the context and gain understanding before jumping
to bizarre conclusions as you did.

Seriously, what the hell stopped you from understanding there would be context
to his quote? He did not just run out into the street and scream it at
strangers!
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-14 00:38:00 UTC
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On 2021-07-13, Snit <***@gmail.com> wrote:

(snip)
I know where it came from, I also just pointed to an even 'further to
the left' rag's take that followed the topic we're disccussing.
Post by Snit
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
Sure, but what if scientists found the virus outside the lab,
brought it back, and then it escaped?
But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I
don't get what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot
of time going in on this circular argument.
-----
Yeah, you left out very important key context... the fact the very premise of
the question he asked was if it was found outside the lab... which would of
course mean it was in the wild!
The context of our discussion *already* encompassed wild vs lab, which
might as well be <fill in the blank>. You're saying that you couldn't
retain the general discussion in your head? Or what, you thought I was
quoting Fauci devoid of the context of what we were discussing? That
actually makes sense to you? Sober up!
Snit
2021-07-14 01:04:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
I know where it came from,
Yet when asked for the context you dodged and said it did not matter.

But let's say you did... even though the evidence shows otherwise.

If not from the wild, where the hell else would scientists find a virus to
bring to a lab?

Come on, Carroll, not a hard question... but one you will run from.

And on to the bigger point: given how the best evidence suggests it came from
the wild, where do YOU think it came from, and what is your evidence?

And you will run from that, too. You feel entitled to demand answers to
questions but you will not answer the most basic of questions about your own
insane claims.
Post by Steve Carroll
I also just pointed to an even 'further to
the left' rag's take that followed the topic we're disccussing.
Post by Snit
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
Sure, but what if scientists found the virus outside the lab,
brought it back, and then it escaped?
But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I
don't get what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot
of time going in on this circular argument.
-----
Yeah, you left out very important key context... the fact the very premise of
the question he asked was if it was found outside the lab... which would of
course mean it was in the wild!
And below Carroll shows he STILL does not get the context of the quote he
brought to the conversation... even though above he said he was aware of it.
Post by Steve Carroll
The context of our discussion *already* encompassed wild vs lab, which
might as well be <fill in the blank>. You're saying that you couldn't
retain the general discussion in your head? Or what, you thought I was
quoting Fauci devoid of the context of what we were discussing? That
actually makes sense to you? Sober up!
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-14 01:33:53 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
I know where it came from,
Yet when asked for the context you dodged and said it did not matter.
Where it came from, as in the original source of the interview, is
irrelevant to the point the more left leaning CBS News' title, that you
are running from. That and the change in Fauci's 'post-email' stance:

“No actually. I am not convinced about that, I think we should continue
to investigate what went on in China until we continue to find out to
the best of our ability what happened."
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
I also just pointed to an even 'further to
the left' rag's take that followed the topic we're disccussing.
Post by Snit
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
Sure, but what if scientists found the virus outside the lab,
brought it back, and then it escaped?
But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I
don't get what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot
of time going in on this circular argument.
-----
Yeah, you left out very important key context... the fact the very premise of
the question he asked was if it was found outside the lab... which would of
course mean it was in the wild!
And below Carroll shows he STILL does not get the context of the quote he
brought to the conversation... even though above he said he was aware of it.
I didn't think you'd be unable to retain the topic <shrug>
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
The context of our discussion *already* encompassed wild vs lab, which
might as well be <fill in the blank>. You're saying that you couldn't
retain the general discussion in your head? Or what, you thought I was
quoting Fauci devoid of the context of what we were discussing? That
actually makes sense to you? Sober up!
Snit
2021-07-14 01:36:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
I know where it came from,
Yet when asked for the context you dodged and said it did not matter.
Where it came from, as in the original source of the interview, is
irrelevant
Context matters.
Post by Steve Carroll
to the point the more left leaning CBS
You spoke of what CBS did during the interview, in terms of giving him an
"out". You made that up.

Three questions you will run from:

1) How do you know how much code / programming is involved with the flood bot?

Hint: Because you are the one behind the bot.

2) If one assumes "scientists found the virus outside the lab", does that
imply it was in the "wild to begin with"?

Hint: Yes. Of course. Obviously.

3) Did COVID came from nature or a lab? What evidence do you have for you
belief?

Hint: Evidence shows it very likely came from nature, but it is worth looking
into Chinese and American labs.

See, Carroll, those questions are trivial to answer. But you won't.
Post by Steve Carroll
News' title, that you
“No actually. I am not convinced about that, I think we should continue
to investigate what went on in China until we continue to find out to
the best of our ability what happened."
Where did he say otherwise?

<snip more of your trolling>

Three questions you will run from:

1) How do you know how much code / programming is involved with the flood bot?

Hint: Because you are the one behind the bot.

2) If one assumes "scientists found the virus outside the lab", does that
imply it was in the "wild to begin with"?

Hint: Yes. Of course. Obviously.

3) Did COVID came from nature or a lab? What evidence do you have for you
belief?

Hint: Evidence shows it very likely came from nature, but it is worth looking
into Chinese and American labs.

See, Carroll, those questions are trivial to answer. But you won't.
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
I also just pointed to an even 'further to
the left' rag's take that followed the topic we're disccussing.
Post by Snit
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
Sure, but what if scientists found the virus outside the lab,
brought it back, and then it escaped?
But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I
don't get what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot
of time going in on this circular argument.
-----
Yeah, you left out very important key context... the fact the very premise of
the question he asked was if it was found outside the lab... which would of
course mean it was in the wild!
And below Carroll shows he STILL does not get the context of the quote he
brought to the conversation... even though above he said he was aware of it.
I didn't think
You should!
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-14 01:51:43 UTC
Permalink
On 2021-07-14, Snit <***@gmail.com> wrote:

(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
to the point the more left leaning CBS
You spoke of what CBS did during the interview, in terms of giving him an
"out". You made that up.
LOL! That's all any of these outlets do anymore, Snit. Wake up.
Snit
2021-07-14 02:37:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
to the point the more left leaning CBS
You spoke of what CBS did during the interview, in terms of giving him an
"out". You made that up.
LOL!
Your BS is called out... and all you can do is give an uncomfortable laugh and
then babble about "these outlets"... but it was National Geographic that did
the interview.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd
Post by Steve Carroll
That's all any of these outlets do anymore, Snit. Wake up.
Before you blamed Fauci. Now you blame "these outlets", even as you get the
wrong organization. Will you next be blaming Biden or me? I bet you get to one
of us soon... you will never take responsibility for your utter humiliation.


Three questions you will run from:

1) How do you know how much code / programming is involved with the flood bot?

Hint: Because you are the one behind the bot.

2) If one assumes "scientists found the virus outside the lab", does that
imply it was in the "wild to begin with"?

Hint: Yes. Of course. Obviously.

3) Did COVID came from nature or a lab? What evidence do you have for you
belief?

Hint: Evidence shows it very likely came from nature, but it is worth looking
into Chinese and American labs.

See, Carroll, those questions are trivial to answer. But you won't.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-14 17:12:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
to the point the more left leaning CBS
You spoke of what CBS did during the interview, in terms of giving him an
"out". You made that up.
LOL!
Your BS is called out... and all you can do is give an uncomfortable laugh
Go read up on the definition of the term "circular argument"... you
won't look like what you now look like.
Post by Snit
and
then babble about "these outlets"... but it was National Geographic that did
the interview.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd
Post by Steve Carroll
That's all any of these outlets do anymore, Snit. Wake up.
Before you blamed Fauci. Now you blame "these outlets",
I blame Fauci before and since. I blame such outlets for attempts at
shade.
Snit
2021-07-14 17:18:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
to the point the more left leaning CBS
You spoke of what CBS did during the interview, in terms of giving him an
"out". You made that up.
LOL!
Your BS is called out... and all you can do is give an uncomfortable laugh
Go read up on the definition of the term "circular argument"... you
won't look like what you now look like.
For crying out loud, why do you lie so much?

You pulled up a quote, with no context, and said the context did not even
matter.

I showed where it did:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
Sure, but what if scientists found the virus outside the lab,
brought it back, and then it escaped?
But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I
don't get what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot
of time going in on this circular argument.
-----

Fair called out a circular argument. You saw he used the term so you are now
using it, but you show no understanding of what it even means.

You blamed Fauci of being inconsistent in terms of his comments about where
the virus came from, but you not only cannot show it, you do not seem to
understand that with science claims might be inconsistent as we learn more.
That is how science works.

And with all of that you have not even gotten to where you think the virus
came from, nor showed any evidence. You make no real point at all other than
that you want to attack me. Stop focusing on ME. Focus on reason and logic and
evidence. Focus on COVID and, if you wish, Faici... though even there your
focus is weird and moving of goal posts from your first focus of science in
general. Why did you focus on Fauci as the representation of science? He is
one scientist, and a well respected one, and an expert in field, but he is not
the be-all and end-all of science.

You merely show you do not understand the terms you use, do not understand
science, and just want to push your one-sided war.
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
and
then babble about "these outlets"... but it was National Geographic that did
the interview.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd
Post by Steve Carroll
That's all any of these outlets do anymore, Snit. Wake up.
Before you blamed Fauci. Now you blame "these outlets",
I blame Fauci before and since. I blame such outlets for attempts at
shade.
What are you even blaming Fauci for? And why did you focus on him when your
first focus was science in general? He is not a representative of all science,
or even all science tied to COVID.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-14 17:58:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
to the point the more left leaning CBS
You spoke of what CBS did during the interview, in terms of giving him an
"out". You made that up.
LOL!
Your BS is called out... and all you can do is give an uncomfortable laugh
Go read up on the definition of the term "circular argument"... you
won't look like what you now look like.
For crying out loud, why do you lie so much?
You pulled up a quote, with no context
No context? The discussion *topic* wasn't "context"?!

I thought you're an 'educated liberal', Snit? Aren't they supposed to be
'well informed'? Isn't that an 'argument' you're always pushing.
especially as compared to the allegedly 'ill-informed, right wing
masses'? So why are you *totally* unfamiliar with Fauci's "circular
argument" statement that was all over the news?

"Dr. Fauci again dismisses Wuhan lab as source of coronavirus"

Dismisses... not once, but at least twice, as 'noted' by the left
leaning CBS News over 14 months ago.

Hint: understanding the term "circular argument" is key here.
Snit
2021-07-14 18:31:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
to the point the more left leaning CBS
You spoke of what CBS did during the interview, in terms of giving him an
"out". You made that up.
LOL!
Your BS is called out... and all you can do is give an uncomfortable laugh
Go read up on the definition of the term "circular argument"... you
won't look like what you now look like.
For crying out loud, why do you lie so much?
You pulled up a quote, with no context, and said the context did not even
matter.
No context?
Yes. And you repeatedly said the context did not matter. Then I showed you the
context:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
Sure, but what if scientists found the virus outside the lab,
brought it back, and then it escaped?
But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I
don't get what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot
of time going in on this circular argument.
-----

Fauci called out a circular argument. You saw he used the term so you are now
using it, but you show no understanding of what it even means.

You blamed Fauci of being inconsistent in terms of his comments about where
the virus came from, but you not only cannot show it, you do not seem to
understand that with science claims might be inconsistent as we learn more.
That is how science works.

And with all of that you have not even gotten to where you think the virus
came from, nor showed any evidence. You make no real point at all other than
that you want to attack me. Stop focusing on ME. Focus on reason and logic and
evidence. Focus on COVID and, if you wish, Faici... though even there your
focus is weird and moving of goal posts from your first focus of science in
general. Why did you focus on Fauci as the representation of science? He is
one scientist, and a well respected one, and an expert in field, but he is not
the be-all and end-all of science.

You merely show you do not understand the terms you use, do not understand
science, and just want to push your one-sided war.
Post by Steve Carroll
The discussion *topic* wasn't "context"?!
That has got to be one of the most bizarre excuses I have ever seen anyone,
even you, make to try to get out of the fact you completely and utterly made
an ass of yourself when you said the context did not matter, and then when you
were shown the context you went running all over the place blaming people who
were not even involved in the interview where the comment you focused on was
made.

And below you go off into personal attack and cry about my being educated and
backing equal rights... things you are not able to understand the value of.
Post by Steve Carroll
I thought you're an 'educated liberal', Snit? Aren't they supposed to be
'well informed'? Isn't that an 'argument' you're always pushing.
especially as compared to the allegedly 'ill-informed, right wing
masses'? So why are you *totally* unfamiliar with Fauci's "circular
argument" statement that was all over the news?
"Dr. Fauci again dismisses Wuhan lab as source of coronavirus"
The best evidence shows it came from nature. As he has repeatedly said. He is
right to say it. To deny this fact would be wrong.

Why do you have an issue with him being honest about what we know of the
virus?
Post by Steve Carroll
Dismisses... not once, but at least twice, as 'noted' by the left
leaning CBS News over 14 months ago.
Hint: understanding the term "circular argument" is key here.
Fauci used the term... and now you are but you do not even show you know what
it means.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Petruzzellis - frelwizen 5238
2021-07-14 19:03:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
to the point the more left leaning CBS
You spoke of what CBS did during the interview, in terms of giving him an
"out". You made that up.
LOL!
Your BS is called out... and all you can do is give an uncomfortable laugh
Go read up on the definition of the term "circular argument"... you
won't look like what you now look like.
For crying out loud, why do you lie so much?
You pulled up a quote, with no context, and said the context did not even
matter.
No context?
Yes. And you repeatedly said the context did not matter. Then I showed you the
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
Sure, but what if scientists found the virus outside the lab,
brought it back, and then it escaped?
But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I
don't get what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot
of time going in on this circular argument.
-----
Fauci called out a circular argument. You saw he used the term so you are now
using it, but you show no understanding of what it even means.
You blamed Fauci of being inconsistent in terms of his comments about where
the virus came from, but you not only cannot show it, you do not seem to
understand that with science claims might be inconsistent as we learn more.
That is how science works.
And with all of that you have not even gotten to where you think the virus
came from, nor showed any evidence. You make no real point at all other than
that you want to attack me. Stop focusing on ME. Focus on reason and logic and
evidence. Focus on COVID and, if you wish, Faici... though even there your
focus is weird and moving of goal posts from your first focus of science in
general. Why did you focus on Fauci as the representation of science? He is
one scientist, and a well respected one, and an expert in field, but he is not
the be-all and end-all of science.
You merely show you do not understand the terms you use, do not understand
science, and just want to push your one-sided war.
Post by Steve Carroll
The discussion *topic* wasn't "context"?!
That has got to be one of the most bizarre excuses I have ever seen anyone,
even you, make to try to get out of the fact you completely and utterly made
an ass of yourself when you said the context did not matter, and then when you
were shown the context you went running all over the place blaming people who
were not even involved in the interview where the comment you focused on was
made.
And below you go off into personal attack and cry about my being educated and
backing equal rights... things you are not able to understand the value of.
Post by Steve Carroll
I thought you're an 'educated liberal', Snit? Aren't they supposed to be
'well informed'? Isn't that an 'argument' you're always pushing.
especially as compared to the allegedly 'ill-informed, right wing
masses'? So why are you *totally* unfamiliar with Fauci's "circular
argument" statement that was all over the news?
"Dr. Fauci again dismisses Wuhan lab as source of coronavirus"
The best evidence shows it came from nature. As he has repeatedly said. He is
right to say it. To deny this fact would be wrong.
Why do you have an issue with him being honest about what we know of the
virus?
Post by Steve Carroll
Dismisses... not once, but at least twice, as 'noted' by the left
leaning CBS News over 14 months ago.
Hint: understanding the term "circular argument" is key here.
Fauci used the term... and now you are but you do not even show you know what
it means.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
It is not shocking that Peter the Cöwardly Liön faked indifference at
the aspect of being assumed trustworthy -- knowing that it is inconceivable
to ever take place.

I have a little script I use as well, but it's a bit different.

On topic discussions will be overwhelmed once the druggies overindulge.
That and there will perpetually be a tantrum thrower or more in an open
news group. The flooding BS aside, we've all seen who frequently pitches
a fit when he doesn't get his way.

In fact Peter the Cöwardly Liön's lies became more vile. So as might
be expected I regret writing software for Peter the Cöwardly Liön. While
I am sure his shills appreciated it, being nice to him made things worse.

Gremlin the functionally illiterate fraud.

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Steve Carroll
2021-07-14 19:13:56 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
to the point the more left leaning CBS
You spoke of what CBS did during the interview, in terms of giving him an
"out". You made that up.
LOL!
Your BS is called out... and all you can do is give an uncomfortable laugh
Go read up on the definition of the term "circular argument"... you
won't look like what you now look like.
For crying out loud, why do you lie so much?
You pulled up a quote, with no context, and said the context did not even
matter.
No context?
Yes.
The topic was the context, fool.
Post by Snit
Fauci called out a circular argument.
And that's the part that had you confused when you wrote he said
"NOTHING", yada... yada, yet, the CBS article is titled the way it is.
Hint: Only *you* failed to understand the connection.
Snit
2021-07-14 19:15:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
(snip)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
to the point the more left leaning CBS
You spoke of what CBS did during the interview, in terms of giving him an
"out". You made that up.
LOL!
Your BS is called out... and all you can do is give an uncomfortable laugh
Go read up on the definition of the term "circular argument"... you
won't look like what you now look like.
For crying out loud, why do you lie so much?
You pulled up a quote, with no context, and said the context did not even
matter.
No context?
Yes. And you repeatedly said the context did not matter. Then I showed you the
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd
-----
Sure, but what if scientists found the virus outside the lab,
brought it back, and then it escaped?
But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I
don't get what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot
of time going in on this circular argument.
-----
Fauci called out a circular argument. You saw he used the term so you are now
using it, but you show no understanding of what it even means.
You blamed Fauci of being inconsistent in terms of his comments about where
the virus came from, but you not only cannot show it, you do not seem to
understand that with science claims might be inconsistent as we learn more.
That is how science works.
And with all of that you have not even gotten to where you think the virus
came from, nor showed any evidence. You make no real point at all other than
that you want to attack me. Stop focusing on ME. Focus on reason and logic and
evidence. Focus on COVID and, if you wish, Faici... though even there your
focus is weird and moving of goal posts from your first focus of science in
general. Why did you focus on Fauci as the representation of science? He is
one scientist, and a well respected one, and an expert in field, but he is not
the be-all and end-all of science.
You merely show you do not understand the terms you use, do not understand
science, and just want to push your one-sided war.
The topic was the context, fool.
The very context you said was not relevant?!?!?!

Your change your position more often than most people change their underwear.
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Fauci called out a circular argument.
And then you used the term not even showing any understanding of it.
Post by Steve Carroll
And that's the part that had you confused when you wrote he said
"NOTHING", yada... yada, yet, the CBS article is titled the way it is.
Hint: Only *you* failed to understand the connection.
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Clutterfreak
2021-07-13 21:27:52 UTC
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Post by Snit
SARS-CoV-2, evolved directly or indirectly from a β-coronavirus in
the sarbecovirus (SARS-like virus) group that naturally infect
bats and pangolins in Asia and Southeast Asia.
The statement above was shown by two European scientists past month to
be misleading. The virus came from bats but its spikes were artificially
enhanced by changing its DNA so it would form with several extra hooks
binding to negatively charged surface of human breathing cells. Then
attempts were made to disguise this work by presenting the altered DNA
as the original in bats when they reported it to WHO.

You can see the abstract to their paper here:

https://techstartups.com/2021/05/29/new-study-european-scientists-found-covid-19-no-credible-natural-ancestor-created-wuhan-lab-chinese-scientists/



Or watch Senator Paul questioning Fauci:



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2021-07-13 21:39:38 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by chrisv
Post by whodat
Post by J***@.
Each picks "The Most Useful Assumption", a.k.a. "The Science", for each.
The Pope follows "The Science".
Hitler, Karl Marx, Castro, and Cortez (1519) followed "The Science".
Kim JongUn goes wherever "The Science" takes him.
Jeff, are we speaking the same language. Going wherever "The Science"
takes someone is precisely what "following the science" means. It
appears something is missing in your descriptive(s) if you think there's
some sort of difference given what you wrote.
Are you OK?
He's a kook. 'The Pope follows "The Science".' Not.
Define the term "Science".
https://onelook.com/?w=science
No comment from Carroll.
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
IMO, that's the essence of his point. Did
Fauci follow the science when he stated that Covid came from "the wild",
"But, it could have been something else, and we need to find that out."?
The best evidence we have is it is natural.
Stop talking about "evidence"
No. Evidence matters.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7470595/
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The COVID-19 pandemic is among the deadliest infectious diseases
to have emerged in recent history. As with all past pandemics, the
specific mechanism of its emergence in humans remains unknown.
Nevertheless, a large body of virologic, epidemiologic,
veterinary, and ecologic data establishes that the new virus,
SARS-CoV-2, evolved directly or indirectly from a β-coronavirus in
the sarbecovirus (SARS-like virus) group that naturally infect
bats and pangolins in Asia and Southeast Asia. Scientists have
warned for decades that such sarbecoviruses are poised to emerge
again and again, identified risk factors, and argued for enhanced
pandemic prevention and control efforts. Unfortunately, few such
preventive actions were taken resulting in the latest coronavirus
emergence detected in late 2019 which quickly spread pandemically.
The risk of similar coronavirus outbreaks in the future remains
high.

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In short: we have known of the risk of such viruses for years, and no lab
is needed for that fear.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10311-021-01211-0?fbclid=IwAR1HMUMtLIAFOFppVasQDeoIAYrVhP8j4YoPO4wnaTOUiKLsllZl_oKryOw

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SARS-CoV-2 is a novel Betacoronavirus of lineage B (subgenus
Sarbecovirus) and the causative agent of COVID-19, the first
detected cases of which were identified in Wuhan in December 2019
(Huang et al. 2020a). The near-consensus view of the origin of
SARS-CoV-2 is a natural zoonosis (Zhu et al. 2020; Wu et al.
2020b; Zhou et al. 2020b). Bats are thought to be the natural
reservoir for SARS-related coronaviruses (SARS-r CoVs) (Li et al.
2005; Wang et al. 2006) and have been identified as the ancestral
source from which severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus
(SARS-CoV) evolved (Janies et al. 2008; Sheahan et al. 2008).
While several intermediate host species have been proposed as the
zoonotic source for SARS-CoV-2 (Xiao et al. 2020; Lam et al. 2020;
Zhang et al. 2020b; Zhou and Shi 2021), the source of direct bat
to human or intermediate animal to human zoonotic transmission of
SARS-CoV-2 has not been established. An alternative hypothesis,
that SARS-CoV-2 leaked from a laboratory, has been widely
dismissed (Rasmussen 2021), yet very few papers counter this
theory with data analysis (Andersen et al. 2020; Liu et al. 2020b;
Graham and Baric 2020) (Fig. 1).
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Seems natural, but we do not know for sure and it is worth doing more
research on (both to see where in nature and if from a lab).

https://www.scirp.org/html/4-2390088_99638.htm
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In December, 2019, USA refused to sign a new international
protocol to ban biological warfare. USA has developed the best of
biological warfare weapons and has set up 200 BioDefense
laboratories around the world. USA has been the only country that
refused WHO inspection of its biological warfare laboratories.
...

Collins continued, “Existing computer models predicted that the
new coronavirus would not bind to angiotensin converting enzyme II
(ACE2) as well as the SARS virus. However, to their surprise, the
researchers found that the spike protein of the new coronavirus
actually bound far better than computer predictions.” After
presenting two scenarios of circumstantial evidence of genomic
modeling, Collins concluded, “Either way, this study leaves little
room to refute a natural origin for COVID-19.” [29]Collins
continued, “The researchers [30] went on to analyze genomic data
related to the overall molecular structure, or backbone, of the
new coronavirus. Their analysis showed that the backbone of the
new coronavirus’s genome most closely resembles that of a bat
coronavirus discovered after the COVID-19 pandemic began. However,
the region that binds ACE2 resembles a novel virus found in
pangolins, a strange-looking animal sometimes called a scaly
anteater. This provides additional evidence that the coronavirus
that causes COVID-19 almost certainly originated in nature. If the
new coronavirus had been manufactured in a lab, scientists most
likely would have used the backbones of coronaviruses already
known to cause serious diseases in humans.”
-----
Acknowledges it seems natural, but it does also include this:
-----

I hereby present below the direct, unequivocal evidence that
2019-nCoV is a biological warfare weapon originally produced in
the USA, and that COVID-19 is a pre-meditated event designed for
the USA to consolidate and to sustain political and economic
supremacy internationally.
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Woah! That goes against your preconceived / racist attacks against China.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
-----

Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory
construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.
-----

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
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So, for SARS-CoV-2 to have come from this mine in China, WIV
researchers would have had to overcome some serious technical
challenges — and they would have kept the information secret for a
number of years and misled investigators on the WHO-led mission,
scientists point out. There's no evidence of this, but it can't be
ruled out.

-----

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/03/26/genomic-research-points-to-natural-origin-of-covid-19/

-----

Genomic Study Points to Natural Origin of COVID-19
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Post by Steve Carroll
as if you even know what it is... it's not
something that is merely presented (as you erroneously stated elsewhere
when I corrected you).
What comment do you even mean?
Post by Steve Carroll
The fact is there's nothing indicating where it
came from... in either direction.
Your claim is contrary to the evidence.
Post by Steve Carroll
And that's *always* been the case and
"That means it was in the wild to begin with." - Dr Fauci
That is consistent with our best evidence.
Post by Steve Carroll
There is, and was, *nothing* to support that and Fauci knew it.
Why would Fauci share your ignorance of the evidence?
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
How long did the "kook" above have to watch posts written referencing
Dr. Fauci *allegedly* 'following the science'?
I am sure you can take comments of his out of context
And Carroll goes into attack mode because he knows he has backed himself
into a corner again.

Fauci’s comment is simplified but consistent with our best evidence. Not
gonna nit pick his wording.
Post by Steve Carroll
And stop pretending you know what "context" is, it's goofy when you do
that given that you munge it every day of your life. As the above false
statement of Fauci proves, I took nothing out of context.
You don’t show the context.
Post by Steve Carroll
All you've
done here is prove, once again, that you have no idea what context even
is.
The irony.

What is your issue with him noting our best evidence suggests COVID came
from the wild?
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Stefen Carrolll - fretwizer
2021-07-13 18:45:01 UTC
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Post by J***@.
Each picks "The Most Useful Assumption", a.k.a. "The Science", for each.
The Pope follows "The Science".
Hitler, Karl Marx, Castro, and Cortez (1519) followed "The Science".
Kim JongUn goes wherever "The Science" takes him.
Almost everything Steve 'Racist Swine' Carroll says about anyone else is
a lie of course, but he does not care.

I sometimes destroy Steve 'Racist Swine' Carroll with my brain.

I'm getting false positives in my kill filter. I'm guessing the sock frenzy
troll is in its brain damage mode again. It is utter bliss to not read
that crap. How is Blender on Linux doing anything above the lowest common
denominator?

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pothead
2021-07-13 16:42:41 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by pothead
Post by Rabid Roach
"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
Follow the science and the evidence.
Like you have with the lab vs market "science" surrounding Covid (where
nothing has changed except for Fauci's emails being made public)? What's
your position on this now, Mr. 'Science Follower'?
What about the science regarding children and masking?

NY and California are going to mandate masks this fall for school
children.
The science totally destroys the need for masks at those ages and also
points out the risks to children of wearing masks all day, both
physical and psychological.

So why aren't these libtard, Marxist run states following the science?

Oh, a little organization like the Teacher's Union is pressuring them
that's why.

Libtards are so easy to expose.
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2021-07-13 17:33:17 UTC
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Post by pothead
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by pothead
Post by Rabid Roach
"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
Follow the science and the evidence.
Like you have with the lab vs market "science" surrounding Covid (where
nothing has changed except for Fauci's emails being made public)? What's
your position on this now, Mr. 'Science Follower'?
What about the science regarding children and masking?
NY and California are going to mandate masks this fall for school
children.
The science totally destroys the need for masks at those ages and also
points out the risks to children of wearing masks all day, both
physical and psychological.
So why aren't these libtard, Marxist run states following the science?
Oh, a little organization like the Teacher's Union is pressuring them
that's why.
Libtards are so easy to expose.
I say go with the science and not your crap. Heck, when it comes to protecting
people I would even say the policies make sense to go a bit past what can be
proved by the science. While certainly not a comprehensive look, I just did a
quick search:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask

There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00431-020-03674-9?fbclid=IwAR1UlhPbWz4gLHalSwGxJPLvunPvjpp3qla_XdHD1WDp8AapeBL7xgRcONo
-----
Conclusion: On the basis of clinical findings, we think that the
universal use of facial masks seems necessary when people have to
go out in their everyday lives. In addition to the availability of
masks of different sizes capable of adapting perfectly to the
face, it is necessary that the use of masks in children is
preceded by a strong parental work and school lessons on this
issue and other hygiene topics with the main aim to obtain child
cooperation.
-----

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.22.20179960v2
-----
We conclude that reduced capacity and high face-mask adherence in
schools substantially reduce the burden of COVID-19, both among
those with direct ties to schools and across the state. As Indiana
and other states proceed with school reopening, our results
illustrate quantitatively the benefits of safety measures that
schools are undertaking, underscoring their value for both schools
and their communities.
-----

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0196655321000572
-----
The benefits of mask mandates are apparent, especially when
mandates were issued within a month. The impact of school closing
and stay at home orders were less clear.
-----

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s13052-021-00960-6
-----
In this regard, the universal use of face masks in addition to
hand hygiene and safe distancing in schools, at least starting
from the age of 6 years, seems extremely useful.
-----

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.19.21250116v1
-----
991 schools had restarted fall sports ... Face mask use was
associated with decreased COVID-19 incidence among indoor sports,
and may be protective among outdoor sports with prolonged close
contact between participants.
-----

In short, nothing to back your crap. You have to hunt hard and long to find
ANYTHING that might back your nonsense.
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-13 17:36:04 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by pothead
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by pothead
Post by Rabid Roach
"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
Follow the science and the evidence.
Like you have with the lab vs market "science" surrounding Covid (where
nothing has changed except for Fauci's emails being made public)? What's
your position on this now, Mr. 'Science Follower'?
What about the science regarding children and masking?
NY and California are going to mandate masks this fall for school
children.
The science totally destroys the need for masks at those ages and also
points out the risks to children of wearing masks all day, both
physical and psychological.
So why aren't these libtard, Marxist run states following the science?
Oh, a little organization like the Teacher's Union is pressuring them
that's why.
Libtards are so easy to expose.
I say go with the science
You "say" it... you just don't do it. You're practicing a religion,
science is a religion.
Snit
2021-07-13 17:49:29 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by pothead
What about the science regarding children and masking?
I say go with the science and not your crap. Heck, when it comes to protecting
people I would even say the policies make sense to go a bit past what can be
proved by the science. While certainly not a comprehensive look, I just did a
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00431-020-03674-9?fbclid=IwAR1UlhPbWz4gLHalSwGxJPLvunPvjpp3qla_XdHD1WDp8AapeBL7xgRcONo
-----
Conclusion: On the basis of clinical findings, we think that the
universal use of facial masks seems necessary when people have to
go out in their everyday lives. In addition to the availability of
masks of different sizes capable of adapting perfectly to the
face, it is necessary that the use of masks in children is
preceded by a strong parental work and school lessons on this
issue and other hygiene topics with the main aim to obtain child
cooperation.
-----
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.22.20179960v2
-----
We conclude that reduced capacity and high face-mask adherence in
schools substantially reduce the burden of COVID-19, both among
those with direct ties to schools and across the state. As Indiana
and other states proceed with school reopening, our results
illustrate quantitatively the benefits of safety measures that
schools are undertaking, underscoring their value for both schools
and their communities.
-----
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0196655321000572
-----
The benefits of mask mandates are apparent, especially when
mandates were issued within a month. The impact of school closing
and stay at home orders were less clear.
-----
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s13052-021-00960-6
-----
In this regard, the universal use of face masks in addition to
hand hygiene and safe distancing in schools, at least starting
from the age of 6 years, seems extremely useful.
-----
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.19.21250116v1
-----
991 schools had restarted fall sports ... Face mask use was
associated with decreased COVID-19 incidence among indoor sports,
and may be protective among outdoor sports with prolonged close
contact between participants.
-----
In short, nothing to back your crap. You have to hunt hard and long to find
ANYTHING that might back your nonsense.
And you did your normal snip and ignore and you post nonsense attacks.
Post by Steve Carroll
You "say" it... you just don't do it. You're practicing a religion,
science is a religion.
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
rbowman
2021-07-14 04:36:50 UTC
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Post by Snit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
Right. Google doesn't have biased bone in its body.
RonB
2021-07-14 04:47:52 UTC
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Post by Snit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
Right. Google doesn't have biased bone in its body.
"'Snit' would lie even if the truth suited him better," as my grandmother
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2021-07-14 04:49:44 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by Snit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
Right. Google doesn't have biased bone in its body.
"'Snit' would lie even if the truth suited him better," as my grandmother
used to say. He's worthless. The best use for "Snit" is lining for your
killfile.
Yet you cannot actually quote these lies. Weird!
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-14 06:17:49 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by RonB
Post by Snit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
Right. Google doesn't have biased bone in its body.
"'Snit' would lie even if the truth suited him better," as my grandmother
used to say. He's worthless. The best use for "Snit" is lining for your
killfile.
Yet you cannot actually quote these lies. Weird!
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
John Gohde claims to be the CLI professor, let us see him put up an example
but lacking the automated loops. John Gohde expects people to believe that
a poster such as LegionX who he has regularly alleged to be a forger is someone
to 'trust'? Why can he assume people are that stupid?

This is truly a hobby of mine. What I do is certainly more error resistant.
So he changed his story to posting about his business.

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Dustic Cook the Fucntionally Illiterate Fraud
2021-07-14 10:20:42 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by RonB
Post by Snit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
Right. Google doesn't have biased bone in its body.
"'Snit' would lie even if the truth suited him better," as my grandmother
used to say. He's worthless. The best use for "Snit" is lining for your
killfile.
Yet you cannot actually quote these lies. Weird!
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
John Gohde claims to be the CLI professor, let us see him put up an example
but lacking the automated loops. John Gohde expects people to believe that
a poster such as LegionX who he has regularly alleged to be a forger is someone
to 'trust'? Why can he assume people are that stupid?
This is truly a hobby of mine. What I do is certainly more error resistant.
So he changed his story to posting about his business.
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http://youtu.be/xRvaRLlb3b8
Dustin Cook: Functional Illiterate Fraud
Jesus Christ failed to give a single time of a large business that has acquired
its fortune by not caring about its customers or wares. I'm not fuming, to
the contrary, I'm in stitches because Jesus Christ's lying is so transparent.
He purposefully did not speak of all the criteria that he would soon poo
poo... and we all know why, Jesus Christ is too stupid to see why. At least
he has other trolls rushing to his rescue. What is your evidence?

You do realize that the massive floods ending up in multiple groups started
out when Jesus Christ was quoted lying.
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Diesel Cook
2021-07-14 10:53:02 UTC
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Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by RonB
Post by Snit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
Right. Google doesn't have biased bone in its body.
"'Snit' would lie even if the truth suited him better," as my grandmother
used to say. He's worthless. The best use for "Snit" is lining for your
killfile.
Yet you cannot actually quote these lies. Weird!
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
John Gohde claims to be the CLI professor, let us see him put up an example
but lacking the automated loops. John Gohde expects people to believe that
a poster such as LegionX who he has regularly alleged to be a forger is someone
to 'trust'? Why can he assume people are that stupid?
This is truly a hobby of mine. What I do is certainly more error resistant.
So he changed his story to posting about his business.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=Dustin+Cook+the+functional+illiterate+fraud
http://youtu.be/xRvaRLlb3b8
Dustin Cook: Functional Illiterate Fraud
Almost all regulars in this group do programming either as entertainment
or as a profession, so I have doubts anybody here consider automation to
be "sorcery".

Nobody who isn't just using you for wicked goals sees you as anything remotely
close to respectable. You have no one but vallor to point to for that. Only
what vallor wants matters to vallor. There is nothing -hh can do to change
that. It's a mental health problem and it is what it is.

The AOL virtual drive vallor mentioned is read-only media. It is not possible
to add new information to it.

Usenet is a world-wide institution based on virtue that vallor lacks.


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2021-07-14 16:44:01 UTC
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Post by RonB
Post by rbowman
Post by Snit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
Right. Google doesn't have biased bone in its body.
"'Snit' would lie even if the truth suited him better," as my grandmother
used to say. He's worthless. The best use for "Snit" is lining for your
killfile.
Yet you cannot actually quote these lies. Weird!
LOL! That comment is spot on.
Snit
2021-07-14 16:53:07 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by RonB
Post by rbowman
Post by Snit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
Right. Google doesn't have biased bone in its body.
"'Snit' would lie even if the truth suited him better," as my grandmother
used to say. He's worthless. The best use for "Snit" is lining for your
killfile.
Yet you cannot actually quote these lies. Weird!
LOL! That comment is spot on.
It is weirs how those of you who troll say I lie, but only in ways that cannot
be quoted. I will grant that with my logging your very easy to show lies you
have reduced them -- really only one I caught yesterday. But compare that to
the day before. Why is it your lies are so easy to quote and mine are not?

Carroll lies, July 13, 2021

1) Carroll claims I said the exact opposte of what I told him:

<scki94$mpu$***@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
Now this is just of the thing checked. I have seen some try to
twist the meaning of such numbers to say they are overall
indicative of a person... that is not fair. ...
So... you're actually saying that you believe a source that claims
he's, what, *never* told the truth on *any* issue in all the years
he's been on the air at Fox?
-----
The facts: Carroll accuses me of doing the very thing I have called out others
for and not is NOT what I am doing.


Carroll lies, July 12, 2021

1) Carroll lies about what I have repeatedly told him:

<schthg$742$***@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
-----
Local and state democrats, that run most all of our highest crime
ridden cities are the issue. You have *no* answer to this, which
is why you address it with this crap.
-----
The facts: I have repeatedly talked to Carroll about how those with the least
representational power have little ability to stop those with the greater
power, and otherwise talked about the national systems which are leading to
increased poverty and social unrest. I have asked Carroll what local policies
he even means only to get crickets or racist crap about how police should be
targeting blacks more.

2) Carroll pretends he has evidence when he has none:
<sci1jt$ico$***@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>
-----
It's (Carroll lies about me and his bot) a story backed by
circumstantial evidence.
-----
The facts: Carroll has nothing to actually back his claims. I have shown
massive evidence pointing to him, and asked him questions he runs from.

3) Carroll lies about simple logic
-----
Trying to pin it on people who are the targets (mainly Gremlin and
I) is something only an idiot would do. A wise person would simply
STFU but you don't, you go on and on. That alone makes you appear
guilty.
-----
The facts: Carroll repeatedly saying the content of the bot is something HE
thinks points to me is evidence against him, not me. Who benefits from having
such content other than him?

4) Carroll blames me for the bot, again:
-----
Something has you continually trying to 'keep it alive'.
-----
The facts: I have no ability to do ANYTHING with the bot.

5) Carroll pretends I have spoken of actually having a bot in Usenet
-----
This (his claim about my saying I have a bot, and more
accusations) is all documented, as I've shown.
-----
The facts: Carroll pointed to where I spoke of he and other trolls being so
repetitive a bot that looks for such content could reply. I spoke of this in a
JOKE, and did so years before the flood bot appeared.

6) Carroll doubles down on his lies:
-----
11) Carroll lies about what I have said:
-----
You tried to pretend you're 'too uneducated' to have been
able to figure out how to use a few simple DOM API calls.
-----
That is a fact.
-----
The facts: I never said any such thing and have made it clear to Carroll where
he went wrong in his false assumption.

7) Carroll doubles down on another lie of his:
-----
-----
You created a goofy video to push your BS about my name being
'special' and how that was "proof" I'm the bot's author... when
the fact of the matter is you knew GG didn't work the way you
lied about.
-----
Fact: I have no clue what Carroll even means by this.

You have "no clue" over something you even spent the time to make
a screencast of. Stop lying, you suck at it.
-----
The facts: Carroll does not even say what video he means. If it is the one I
am thinking it is not even a screencast. He simply piles lies on top of lies.

8) Carroll lies about what I have said:
<sci240$ico$***@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>
-----
Snit's problem is he's already admitted he's on the suspect list
so he can't deny what you just pointed out (a claim that I am as
much of a suspect as Carroll.
-----
The facts: ALL available evidence points to Carroll, but that does not
exonerate anyone else.

9) Carroll lies about what I have said:
-----
He'll go back and forth, back and forth. What does that tell you
about the 'overall game' he's clearly playing?
-----
The facts: Carroll does not even pretend to be able to quote me doing as he
accuses. Of course, if he does jump in to pretend that would not back his
claims!

10) Carroll lies about my abilities:
-----
As does Snit and any number of people in computer related
newsgroups.
-----
The facts: I do not know JavaScript, and Carroll has mocked me for this
weakness when he focused on my use of Dreamweaver. He knows his claims are
dishonest.

11) Carroll lies about his racial bigotry:
<sci6os$osd$***@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
We just saw the only 'race war' we're likely to see and it was
more about class than race. While a small percentage of the
black community sought to take advantage of things, the vast
majority of them, while not willing to speak out en masse
(yet), are nothing like these fools who did the burning and
looting.
Weird how you target blacks for the looting... when there were
people of multiple races involved.
Why can't you read? I didn't say that *only* blacks were involved.
-----
The facts: Carroll spoke of Blacks and Blacks only.

12) Carroll lies about my views:
<Pn1HI.3520$***@fx22.iad>
-----
All it does is back what I've said about your bizarre need to
control things that are clearly out of your control.
-----
The facts: I have never suggested or shown any such "need", or even desire. I
have noted I wish Carroll would end his one-sided war and would stop being so
hate filled and stop playing victim so much.

13) Carroll lies about having some unnamed support about the flood bot
<sci7ie$osd$***@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>
-----
it's an opinion that is backed by the best support over all of
the support that's been presented thus far. Like I said, you
seem to have gone out of your way on that.
-----
The facts: If Carroll had support like he claims he would post it. The "best"
he can do is say the content fits exactly what HE thinks I would post (he
fails to see how that incriminates himself).

14) Carroll accuses others of being as he is, a bigot:
<sciern$tmg$***@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>
-----
You're a partisan hack and incompetent bigot, of course you'll
pretend to hold that opinion.
-----
The facts: Carroll offers no evidence of his accusations, and claims I merely
"pretend" to be aware of how bigoted and incompetent Trump was, as if it is
not well understood.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Dustin Kook
2021-07-14 16:54:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by RonB
Post by Snit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
Right. Google doesn't have biased bone in its body.
"'Snit' would lie even if the truth suited him better," as my grandmother
used to say. He's worthless. The best use for "Snit" is lining for your
killfile.
Yet you cannot actually quote these lies. Weird!
LOL! That comment is spot on.
It is weirs how those of you who troll say I lie, but only in ways that cannot
be quoted. I will grant that with my logging your very easy to show lies you
have reduced them -- really only one I caught yesterday. But compare that to
the day before. Why is it your lies are so easy to quote and mine are not?
Carroll lies, July 13, 2021
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
Now this is just of the thing checked. I have seen some try to
twist the meaning of such numbers to say they are overall
indicative of a person... that is not fair. ...
So... you're actually saying that you believe a source that claims
he's, what, *never* told the truth on *any* issue in all the years
he's been on the air at Fox?
-----
The facts: Carroll accuses me of doing the very thing I have called out others
for and not is NOT what I am doing.
Carroll lies, July 12, 2021
-----
Local and state democrats, that run most all of our highest crime
ridden cities are the issue. You have *no* answer to this, which
is why you address it with this crap.
-----
The facts: I have repeatedly talked to Carroll about how those with the least
representational power have little ability to stop those with the greater
power, and otherwise talked about the national systems which are leading to
increased poverty and social unrest. I have asked Carroll what local policies
he even means only to get crickets or racist crap about how police should be
targeting blacks more.
-----
It's (Carroll lies about me and his bot) a story backed by
circumstantial evidence.
-----
The facts: Carroll has nothing to actually back his claims. I have shown
massive evidence pointing to him, and asked him questions he runs from.
3) Carroll lies about simple logic
-----
Trying to pin it on people who are the targets (mainly Gremlin and
I) is something only an idiot would do. A wise person would simply
STFU but you don't, you go on and on. That alone makes you appear
guilty.
-----
The facts: Carroll repeatedly saying the content of the bot is something HE
thinks points to me is evidence against him, not me. Who benefits from having
such content other than him?
-----
Something has you continually trying to 'keep it alive'.
-----
The facts: I have no ability to do ANYTHING with the bot.
5) Carroll pretends I have spoken of actually having a bot in Usenet
-----
This (his claim about my saying I have a bot, and more
accusations) is all documented, as I've shown.
-----
The facts: Carroll pointed to where I spoke of he and other trolls being so
repetitive a bot that looks for such content could reply. I spoke of this in a
JOKE, and did so years before the flood bot appeared.
-----
-----
You tried to pretend you're 'too uneducated' to have been
able to figure out how to use a few simple DOM API calls.
-----
That is a fact.
-----
The facts: I never said any such thing and have made it clear to Carroll where
he went wrong in his false assumption.
-----
-----
You created a goofy video to push your BS about my name being
'special' and how that was "proof" I'm the bot's author... when
the fact of the matter is you knew GG didn't work the way you
lied about.
-----
Fact: I have no clue what Carroll even means by this.
You have "no clue" over something you even spent the time to make
a screencast of. Stop lying, you suck at it.
-----
The facts: Carroll does not even say what video he means. If it is the one I
am thinking it is not even a screencast. He simply piles lies on top of lies.
-----
Snit's problem is he's already admitted he's on the suspect list
so he can't deny what you just pointed out (a claim that I am as
much of a suspect as Carroll.
-----
The facts: ALL available evidence points to Carroll, but that does not
exonerate anyone else.
-----
He'll go back and forth, back and forth. What does that tell you
about the 'overall game' he's clearly playing?
-----
The facts: Carroll does not even pretend to be able to quote me doing as he
accuses. Of course, if he does jump in to pretend that would not back his
claims!
-----
As does Snit and any number of people in computer related
newsgroups.
-----
The facts: I do not know JavaScript, and Carroll has mocked me for this
weakness when he focused on my use of Dreamweaver. He knows his claims are
dishonest.
-----
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
We just saw the only 'race war' we're likely to see and it was
more about class than race. While a small percentage of the
black community sought to take advantage of things, the vast
majority of them, while not willing to speak out en masse
(yet), are nothing like these fools who did the burning and
looting.
Weird how you target blacks for the looting... when there were
people of multiple races involved.
Why can't you read? I didn't say that *only* blacks were involved.
-----
The facts: Carroll spoke of Blacks and Blacks only.
-----
All it does is back what I've said about your bizarre need to
control things that are clearly out of your control.
-----
The facts: I have never suggested or shown any such "need", or even desire. I
have noted I wish Carroll would end his one-sided war and would stop being so
hate filled and stop playing victim so much.
13) Carroll lies about having some unnamed support about the flood bot
-----
it's an opinion that is backed by the best support over all of
the support that's been presented thus far. Like I said, you
seem to have gone out of your way on that.
-----
The facts: If Carroll had support like he claims he would post it. The "best"
he can do is say the content fits exactly what HE thinks I would post (he
fails to see how that incriminates himself).
-----
You're a partisan hack and incompetent bigot, of course you'll
pretend to hold that opinion.
-----
The facts: Carroll offers no evidence of his accusations, and claims I merely
"pretend" to be aware of how bigoted and incompetent Trump was, as if it is
not well understood.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
If RonB has 'some_file.pdf' open in a word processor such as LibreOffice
Writer and LegionX wants to change its name to 'linux.pdf' via a hot
key when connecting to a NFS host, RonB's video might be handy.

The guy is as popular as a fart in a spacesuit -- and with good cause.

LegionX's actions are altogether fully deceitful. There's zero doubt
that as soon as any exonerated 'filtered person' does one thing to wound
the coward's feelings that they will be reblocked.

Translation of LegionX speak: His "troubleshooting proficiency" distracted
him from a module he wants that is already built into this application.



--
My Snoring Solution
https://www.google.com/search?q=steve%20carroll%20racist%20swine
Dustin Cook the functional illiterate fraud
Steve Carroll
2021-07-14 17:26:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by RonB
Post by rbowman
Post by Snit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
Right. Google doesn't have biased bone in its body.
"'Snit' would lie even if the truth suited him better," as my grandmother
used to say. He's worthless. The best use for "Snit" is lining for your
killfile.
Yet you cannot actually quote these lies. Weird!
LOL! That comment is spot on.
It is weirs how those of you who troll say I lie,
Reality check:
Virtually everyone you've interacted with on usenet has said it.
Snit
2021-07-14 17:38:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by RonB
Post by rbowman
Post by Snit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
Right. Google doesn't have biased bone in its body.
"'Snit' would lie even if the truth suited him better," as my grandmother
used to say. He's worthless. The best use for "Snit" is lining for your
killfile.
Yet you cannot actually quote these lies. Weird!
LOL! That comment is spot on.
It is weirs how those of you who troll say I lie, but only in ways that cannot
be quoted. I will grant that with my logging your very easy to show lies you
have reduced them -- really only one I caught yesterday. But compare that to
the day before. Why is it your lies are so easy to quote and mine are not?
Carroll lies, July 13, 2021
-----
Now this is just of the thing checked. I have seen some try to
twist the meaning of such numbers to say they are overall
indicative of a person... that is not fair. ...
So... you're actually saying that you believe a source that claims
he's, what, *never* told the truth on *any* issue in all the years
he's been on the air at Fox?
-----
The facts: Carroll accuses me of doing the very thing I have called out others
for and not is NOT what I am doing.
Carroll lies, July 12, 2021
-----
Local and state democrats, that run most all of our highest crime
ridden cities are the issue. You have *no* answer to this, which
is why you address it with this crap.
-----
The facts: I have repeatedly talked to Carroll about how those with the least
representational power have little ability to stop those with the greater
power, and otherwise talked about the national systems which are leading to
increased poverty and social unrest. I have asked Carroll what local policies
he even means only to get crickets or racist crap about how police should be
targeting blacks more.
-----
It's (Carroll lies about me and his bot) a story backed by
circumstantial evidence.
-----
The facts: Carroll has nothing to actually back his claims. I have shown
massive evidence pointing to him, and asked him questions he runs from.
3) Carroll lies about simple logic
-----
Trying to pin it on people who are the targets (mainly Gremlin and
I) is something only an idiot would do. A wise person would simply
STFU but you don't, you go on and on. That alone makes you appear
guilty.
-----
The facts: Carroll repeatedly saying the content of the bot is something HE
thinks points to me is evidence against him, not me. Who benefits from having
such content other than him?
-----
Something has you continually trying to 'keep it alive'.
-----
The facts: I have no ability to do ANYTHING with the bot.
5) Carroll pretends I have spoken of actually having a bot in Usenet
-----
This (his claim about my saying I have a bot, and more
accusations) is all documented, as I've shown.
-----
The facts: Carroll pointed to where I spoke of he and other trolls being so
repetitive a bot that looks for such content could reply. I spoke of this in a
JOKE, and did so years before the flood bot appeared.
-----
-----
You tried to pretend you're 'too uneducated' to have been
able to figure out how to use a few simple DOM API calls.
-----
That is a fact.
-----
The facts: I never said any such thing and have made it clear to Carroll where
he went wrong in his false assumption.
-----
-----
You created a goofy video to push your BS about my name being
'special' and how that was "proof" I'm the bot's author... when
the fact of the matter is you knew GG didn't work the way you
lied about.
-----
Fact: I have no clue what Carroll even means by this.
You have "no clue" over something you even spent the time to make
a screencast of. Stop lying, you suck at it.
-----
The facts: Carroll does not even say what video he means. If it is the one I
am thinking it is not even a screencast. He simply piles lies on top of lies.
-----
Snit's problem is he's already admitted he's on the suspect list
so he can't deny what you just pointed out (a claim that I am as
much of a suspect as Carroll.
-----
The facts: ALL available evidence points to Carroll, but that does not
exonerate anyone else.
-----
He'll go back and forth, back and forth. What does that tell you
about the 'overall game' he's clearly playing?
-----
The facts: Carroll does not even pretend to be able to quote me doing as he
accuses. Of course, if he does jump in to pretend that would not back his
claims!
-----
As does Snit and any number of people in computer related
newsgroups.
-----
The facts: I do not know JavaScript, and Carroll has mocked me for this
weakness when he focused on my use of Dreamweaver. He knows his claims are
dishonest.
-----
We just saw the only 'race war' we're likely to see and it was
more about class than race. While a small percentage of the
black community sought to take advantage of things, the vast
majority of them, while not willing to speak out en masse
(yet), are nothing like these fools who did the burning and
looting.
Weird how you target blacks for the looting... when there were
people of multiple races involved.
Why can't you read? I didn't say that *only* blacks were involved.
-----
The facts: Carroll spoke of Blacks and Blacks only.
-----
All it does is back what I've said about your bizarre need to
control things that are clearly out of your control.
-----
The facts: I have never suggested or shown any such "need", or even desire. I
have noted I wish Carroll would end his one-sided war and would stop being so
hate filled and stop playing victim so much.
13) Carroll lies about having some unnamed support about the flood bot
-----
it's an opinion that is backed by the best support over all of
the support that's been presented thus far. Like I said, you
seem to have gone out of your way on that.
-----
The facts: If Carroll had support like he claims he would post it. The "best"
he can do is say the content fits exactly what HE thinks I would post (he
fails to see how that incriminates himself).
-----
You're a partisan hack and incompetent bigot, of course you'll
pretend to hold that opinion.
-----
The facts: Carroll offers no evidence of his accusations, and claims I merely
"pretend" to be aware of how bigoted and incompetent Trump was, as if it is
not well understood.
Virtually everyone you've interacted with on usenet has said it.
For some reason you failed to quote a single lie of mine, again... even as I
quoted 14 of yours from July 12.

Why is you lie more in a day than you can show me lying in a year?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Steve Carroll
2021-07-14 18:08:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by RonB
Post by rbowman
Post by Snit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
Right. Google doesn't have biased bone in its body.
"'Snit' would lie even if the truth suited him better," as my grandmother
used to say. He's worthless. The best use for "Snit" is lining for your
killfile.
Yet you cannot actually quote these lies. Weird!
LOL! That comment is spot on.
(snip BS removed)
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Virtually everyone you've interacted with on usenet has said it.
For some reason you failed to quote a single lie of mine
When the topic is what "others" have said about you, your lies aren't
relevant... which is why you're trying to use this smokescreen AGAIN.
Snit
2021-07-14 18:21:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by Steve Carroll
Post by Snit
Post by RonB
Post by rbowman
Post by Snit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
Right. Google doesn't have biased bone in its body.
"'Snit' would lie even if the truth suited him better," as my grandmother
used to say. He's worthless. The best use for "Snit" is lining for your
killfile.
Yet you cannot actually quote these lies. Weird!
LOL! That comment is spot on.
It is weirs how those of you who troll say I lie, but only in ways that cannot
be quoted. I will grant that with my logging your very easy to show lies you
have reduced them -- really only one I caught yesterday. But compare that to
the day before. Why is it your lies are so easy to quote and mine are not?
Carroll lies, July 13, 2021
-----
Now this is just of the thing checked. I have seen some try to
twist the meaning of such numbers to say they are overall
indicative of a person... that is not fair. ...
So... you're actually saying that you believe a source that claims
he's, what, *never* told the truth on *any* issue in all the years
he's been on the air at Fox?
-----
The facts: Carroll accuses me of doing the very thing I have called out others
for and not is NOT what I am doing.
Carroll lies, July 12, 2021
-----
Local and state democrats, that run most all of our highest crime
ridden cities are the issue. You have *no* answer to this, which
is why you address it with this crap.
-----
The facts: I have repeatedly talked to Carroll about how those with the least
representational power have little ability to stop those with the greater
power, and otherwise talked about the national systems which are leading to
increased poverty and social unrest. I have asked Carroll what local policies
he even means only to get crickets or racist crap about how police should be
targeting blacks more.
-----
It's (Carroll lies about me and his bot) a story backed by
circumstantial evidence.
-----
The facts: Carroll has nothing to actually back his claims. I have shown
massive evidence pointing to him, and asked him questions he runs from.
3) Carroll lies about simple logic
-----
Trying to pin it on people who are the targets (mainly Gremlin and
I) is something only an idiot would do. A wise person would simply
STFU but you don't, you go on and on. That alone makes you appear
guilty.
-----
The facts: Carroll repeatedly saying the content of the bot is something HE
thinks points to me is evidence against him, not me. Who benefits from having
such content other than him?
-----
Something has you continually trying to 'keep it alive'.
-----
The facts: I have no ability to do ANYTHING with the bot.
5) Carroll pretends I have spoken of actually having a bot in Usenet
-----
This (his claim about my saying I have a bot, and more
accusations) is all documented, as I've shown.
-----
The facts: Carroll pointed to where I spoke of he and other trolls being so
repetitive a bot that looks for such content could reply. I spoke of this in a
JOKE, and did so years before the flood bot appeared.
-----
-----
You tried to pretend you're 'too uneducated' to have been
able to figure out how to use a few simple DOM API calls.
-----
That is a fact.
-----
The facts: I never said any such thing and have made it clear to Carroll where
he went wrong in his false assumption.
-----
-----
You created a goofy video to push your BS about my name being
'special' and how that was "proof" I'm the bot's author... when
the fact of the matter is you knew GG didn't work the way you
lied about.
-----
Fact: I have no clue what Carroll even means by this.
You have "no clue" over something you even spent the time to make
a screencast of. Stop lying, you suck at it.
-----
The facts: Carroll does not even say what video he means. If it is the one I
am thinking it is not even a screencast. He simply piles lies on top of lies.
-----
Snit's problem is he's already admitted he's on the suspect list
so he can't deny what you just pointed out (a claim that I am as
much of a suspect as Carroll.
-----
The facts: ALL available evidence points to Carroll, but that does not
exonerate anyone else.
-----
He'll go back and forth, back and forth. What does that tell you
about the 'overall game' he's clearly playing?
-----
The facts: Carroll does not even pretend to be able to quote me doing as he
accuses. Of course, if he does jump in to pretend that would not back his
claims!
-----
As does Snit and any number of people in computer related
newsgroups.
-----
The facts: I do not know JavaScript, and Carroll has mocked me for this
weakness when he focused on my use of Dreamweaver. He knows his claims are
dishonest.
-----
We just saw the only 'race war' we're likely to see and it was
more about class than race. While a small percentage of the
black community sought to take advantage of things, the vast
majority of them, while not willing to speak out en masse
(yet), are nothing like these fools who did the burning and
looting.
Weird how you target blacks for the looting... when there were
people of multiple races involved.
Why can't you read? I didn't say that *only* blacks were involved.
-----
The facts: Carroll spoke of Blacks and Blacks only.
-----
All it does is back what I've said about your bizarre need to
control things that are clearly out of your control.
-----
The facts: I have never suggested or shown any such "need", or even desire. I
have noted I wish Carroll would end his one-sided war and would stop being so
hate filled and stop playing victim so much.
13) Carroll lies about having some unnamed support about the flood bot
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it's an opinion that is backed by the best support over all of
the support that's been presented thus far. Like I said, you
seem to have gone out of your way on that.
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The facts: If Carroll had support like he claims he would post it. The "best"
he can do is say the content fits exactly what HE thinks I would post (he
fails to see how that incriminates himself).
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You're a partisan hack and incompetent bigot, of course you'll
pretend to hold that opinion.
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The facts: Carroll offers no evidence of his accusations, and claims I merely
"pretend" to be aware of how bigoted and incompetent Trump was, as if it is
not well understood.
Virtually everyone you've interacted with on usenet has said it.
For some reason you failed to quote a single lie of mine, again... even as I
quoted 14 of yours from July 12.
Why is you lie more in a day than you can show me lying in a year?
Carroll ran from this... of course.

He likes to pretend others are as dishonest as he is, but somehow he cannot
quote them being so.
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Snit
2021-07-14 04:53:32 UTC
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Post by Snit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
Right. Google doesn't have biased bone in its body.
Ah, so now Google Scholar is biased to promote... science?

By all means show other studies. But let's look at the broad range of studies
and not some hand picked ones.
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
STALKING_TARGET_92
2021-07-14 08:44:31 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Snit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
Right. Google doesn't have biased bone in its body.
Ah, so now Google Scholar is biased to promote... science?
By all means show other studies. But let's look at the broad range of studies
and not some hand picked ones.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
In fact LegionX's lies got bigger. So needless to say I regret being civil
to LegionX. While I am sure his wife liked it, he has taught me to never
try to appease a troll. Um... in LegionX's 'story', that a site has been
published is "proof" that The Underground Marshmallow Person built it now?
The Underground Marshmallow Person shared a specific series of doxing files
several times now, and invited LegionX to show which ones aren't accurate
and provide the evidence to back his assertion. No way has LegionX done
so.

LegionX must understand that others can go get whatever software he has
found, right, sicko? Add to that, anyone can can get software to block
his crap, which renders _his_ flooding useless, just like LegionX ;) Generally,
I would not call a post like LegionX's claims a fabrication until you disprove
it and he responds with the same thing again ignoring what you said.

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STALKING_TARGET_91
2021-07-14 06:33:26 UTC
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Post by Snit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=school+covid+mask
There... no effort to bias the results. And what did I find?
Right. Google doesn't have biased bone in its body.
Everyone is LegionX -- the oldest gag in the book.

Just look at the effort chrisv once again had to spend to get LegionX
able to pull messages from a message server via CLI. chrisv once again,
took mistreatment from LegionX, instead of a great thanks, much appreciated,
response - that I believe chrisv was owed for the trouble and time he spent
on the issue. Hell, just recently he was declaring himself the only "true
Linux advocate", and claiming that "advocates" (in scare-quotes, because
he is afraid of them) are insisting desktop Linux is perfect as is. I know
the flooder is LegionX, who is a self professed programmer but I don't
know if it could be used to spam like this.

You used it and benchmarked it and your "extensive experience" lead you
to that assumption, did they?


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2021-07-13 16:34:32 UTC
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"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
They have no interest in ending it, and definitely not with a pill that
even the typical welfare recipient can afford.
Follow the money.
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Ask snit how he pissed on his cat.
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Xfce is perhaps my second favorite DE and the only one I advocate to Linux
converts. Primary interface is Trinity, though. A large number of core
applications is all you require after transitioning.

chrisv writes all kinds of nonsense, don't use that boob as a reference.
I don't know if there is a encumbered FOSS that promotes PEE. Windows is
only less expensive if your time has no value. The encryption is real,
its presence at any point in time being on your VLC boot disk is a false
positive. William Poaster has been over this, in exquisite detail previously,
chrisv.

Pro tip: You will not go into a shindig, gulp down all the grog, bang
all the women, nab the food, and upchuck in the john without being told
to leave. Bravo, William Poaster, you are now living rent-free inside chrisv's
beady little brain.


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Ann Glaser
2021-07-13 13:53:14 UTC
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"COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’"
"WASHINGTON — A COVID-19 treatment capable of ending the pandemic once
and for all may already be available for use. A team of researchers,
including three U.S. government senior scientists, are calling for
governments around the world to start treating coronavirus patients
with ivermectin. Their findings reveal the drug not only prevents
people from contracting COVID, but also defeats the virus and saves
lives.
“We did the work that the medical authorities failed to do, we
conducted the most comprehensive review of the available data on
ivermectin,” says Dr. Pierre Kory, president and chief medical officer
of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), in a media
release. “We applied the gold standard to qualify the data reviewed
before concluding that ivermectin can end this pandemic.”
Researchers conducted a comprehensive review of 27 reports from
clinical, in vitro, animal, and real-world studies. These include 15
randomized controlled trials, which are the preferred scientific method
of the World Health Organization, the U.S. National Institutes of
Health, and the European Medicines Agency.
Those findings reveal treating COVID-19 patients with ivermectin
resulted in large drops in coronavirus deaths. The recovery time from
an infection and the time it takes to clear COVID from someone’s system
also saw significant reductions among patients on ivermectin.
Additionally, three randomized controlled trials and five observational
controlled trials which included nearly 2,500 healthy participants
discovered using ivermectin noticeably reduces the risk of contracting
COVID-19.
Many countries are already using ivermectin, but why not everywhere?
Study authors note that several regions globally now recognize this
drug as both a powerful vaccine and treatment for COVID-19. The
countries of South Africa, Zimbabwe, Slovakia, the Czech Republic,
Mexico, and India have all approved ivermectin’s use during the
pandemic, according to the team. Researchers add their findings show
that immediate global distribution of ivermectin will likely lead to
“rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality.”
So the question is, why aren’t doctors in the United States and
elsewhere using ivermectin to treat COVID patients in 2021? Study
authors don’t have an answer for that, but are urging doctors
everywhere to demand that local and national health officials add
ivermectin to the list of approved coronavirus treatments right away.
“Our latest research shows, once again, that when the totality of the
evidence is examined, there is no doubt that ivermectin is highly
effective as a safe prophylaxis and treatment for COVID-19,” adds Dr.
Paul E. Marik, founding member of the FLCCC and chief of Pulmonary and
Critical Care Medicine at Eastern Virginia Medical School.
“We can no longer rely on many of the larger health authorities to make
an honest examination of the medical and scientific evidence. So, we
are calling on regional public health authorities and medical
professionals around the world to demand that ivermectin be included in
their standard of care right away so we can end this pandemic once and
for all.”
The findings appear in the American Journal of Therapeutics."
https://www.studyfinds.org/covid-19-cure-ivermectin/
He is a nitwit -- most people have plonked his auto-posts. What he really
needs to figure out is one that keeps switching names, then flood posts
have a chance at being almost as repetitive as he is. Who knows C, is
an IT "master", has hacked Troll Killer Snit's account, has passion for
this shit and is a gigantic immature loser who, when he is called out,
posts ignorant claptrap even when he's _not_ flooding... AND... who tries
to pin everything _he_ is doing on "Troll Killer Snit" and has for years?

Why would Troll Killer Snit believe me if you trust there's a possibility
that Despicable Owl uses shills? That actually clicks for you? This is
the new 'model' by those calling themselves 'elite', you must 'pH test'
yourself, you are no longer given due process, you're presumed guilty
until you pin the blame on Troll Killer Snit... a thing that isn't possible
in this situation. Besides Despicable Owl, who doesn't know what I am
doing? Despite all the bragging Despicable Owl has done on this topic,
the 'Front End Designer' does not get how to do this. It only takes a
couple seconds to click and drag across a paragraph and 'sign' it. Despicable
Owl's allegation is misplaced to start with, and not valid second of
all. Is Troll Killer Snit working on being just as much of a crooked
liar as the Despicable Owl is already known as being?
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