Post by Steve Carroll
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"That means it was in the wild to begin with." - Dr Fauci
There is, and was, *nothing* to support that and Fauci knew it.
Our best evidence is that it came from the wild.
Stop trying to spin it, anyone can see he what he stated and the
statement is self contained so all the context needed is there.
So, do you agree with Fauci's statement as quoted above or not? Does it
"mean" what he said it does, or not? A single word will do it but you
won't answer and we both know why.
Would have to know the date and see the context, but seems he is stating
what our best evidence shows. If you had proof it came from a lab you would
have shown it.
Here, the evidence you keep running from:
The COVID-19 pandemic is among the deadliest infectious diseases
to have emerged in recent history. As with all past pandemics, the
specific mechanism of its emergence in humans remains unknown.
Nevertheless, a large body of virologic, epidemiologic,
veterinary, and ecologic data establishes that the new virus,
SARS-CoV-2, evolved directly or indirectly from a β-coronavirus in
the sarbecovirus (SARS-like virus) group that naturally infect
bats and pangolins in Asia and Southeast Asia. Scientists have
warned for decades that such sarbecoviruses are poised to emerge
again and again, identified risk factors, and argued for enhanced
pandemic prevention and control efforts. Unfortunately, few such
preventive actions were taken resulting in the latest coronavirus
emergence detected in late 2019 which quickly spread pandemically.
The risk of similar coronavirus outbreaks in the future remains
In short: we have known of the risk of such viruses for years, and no lab
is needed for that fear.
SARS-CoV-2 is a novel Betacoronavirus of lineage B (subgenus
Sarbecovirus) and the causative agent of COVID-19, the first
detected cases of which were identified in Wuhan in December 2019
(Huang et al. 2020a). The near-consensus view of the origin of
SARS-CoV-2 is a natural zoonosis (Zhu et al. 2020; Wu et al.
2020b; Zhou et al. 2020b). Bats are thought to be the natural
reservoir for SARS-related coronaviruses (SARS-r CoVs) (Li et al.
2005; Wang et al. 2006) and have been identified as the ancestral
source from which severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus
(SARS-CoV) evolved (Janies et al. 2008; Sheahan et al. 2008).
While several intermediate host species have been proposed as the
zoonotic source for SARS-CoV-2 (Xiao et al. 2020; Lam et al. 2020;
Zhang et al. 2020b; Zhou and Shi 2021), the source of direct bat
to human or intermediate animal to human zoonotic transmission of
SARS-CoV-2 has not been established. An alternative hypothesis,
that SARS-CoV-2 leaked from a laboratory, has been widely
dismissed (Rasmussen 2021), yet very few papers counter this
theory with data analysis (Andersen et al. 2020; Liu et al. 2020b;
Graham and Baric 2020) (Fig. 1).
Seems natural, but we do not know for sure and it is worth doing more
research on (both to see where in nature and if from a lab).
In December, 2019, USA refused to sign a new international
protocol to ban biological warfare. USA has developed the best of
biological warfare weapons and has set up 200 BioDefense
laboratories around the world. USA has been the only country that
refused WHO inspection of its biological warfare laboratories.
Collins continued, “Existing computer models predicted that the
new coronavirus would not bind to angiotensin converting enzyme II
(ACE2) as well as the SARS virus. However, to their surprise, the
researchers found that the spike protein of the new coronavirus
actually bound far better than computer predictions.” After
presenting two scenarios of circumstantial evidence of genomic
modeling, Collins concluded, “Either way, this study leaves little
room to refute a natural origin for COVID-19.” Collins
continued, “The researchers  went on to analyze genomic data
related to the overall molecular structure, or backbone, of the
new coronavirus. Their analysis showed that the backbone of the
new coronavirus’s genome most closely resembles that of a bat
coronavirus discovered after the COVID-19 pandemic began. However,
the region that binds ACE2 resembles a novel virus found in
pangolins, a strange-looking animal sometimes called a scaly
anteater. This provides additional evidence that the coronavirus
that causes COVID-19 almost certainly originated in nature. If the
new coronavirus had been manufactured in a lab, scientists most
likely would have used the backbones of coronaviruses already
known to cause serious diseases in humans.”
Acknowledges it seems natural, but it does also include this:
I hereby present below the direct, unequivocal evidence that
2019-nCoV is a biological warfare weapon originally produced in
the USA, and that COVID-19 is a pre-meditated event designed for
the USA to consolidate and to sustain political and economic
Woah! That goes against your preconceived / racist attacks against China.
Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory
construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.
So, for SARS-CoV-2 to have come from this mine in China, WIV
researchers would have had to overcome some serious technical
challenges — and they would have kept the information secret for a
number of years and misled investigators on the WHO-led mission,
scientists point out. There's no evidence of this, but it can't be
Genomic Study Points to Natural Origin of COVID-19
Ok, throwing you a bone here: Fauci repeatedly said we did not need masks
when he likely knew they helped. This was done likely to make sure our then
rather limited supply could be best allocated. Still, it was contrary to
A shame Trump killed the project to be able to produce masks quickly right
from the start. Fauci also was placed in impossible situations under Trump
where he could not be open with the science. Like you, Trump hates science
and evidence and fact checking.
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.