Discussion:
My iPhone rocks!!!
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Sgt. Slaughter
2007-07-21 14:33:29 UTC
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Just picked up the 8-gig model at the Woodfield Mall this week and this
thing is light years ahead of anything else out there.

EVERYBODY who's seen this thing has been totally impressed by how amazing
and slick this thing is. The web browser on this thing absolutely kicks ass
on this phone. My friend described one girl who saw the phone as being
"orgasmic" over it.

It is the coolest and most capable device out there. Apple hit a grand-slam
home run with this puppy. Yes - It is everything you've heard and much more.

--: The Sarge
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Robin T Cox
2007-07-21 14:50:16 UTC
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
My friend described one girl who saw the phone as being
"orgasmic" over it.
Does it vibrate as well?
Sgt. Slaughter
2007-07-21 14:56:36 UTC
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Post by Robin T Cox
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
My friend described one girl who saw the phone as being
"orgasmic" over it.
Does it vibrate as well?
:>) - Actually it does vibrate but she didn't know this!
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ray
2007-07-21 15:16:40 UTC
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model at the Woodfield Mall this week and this
thing is light years ahead of anything else out there.
EVERYBODY who's seen this thing has been totally impressed by how amazing
and slick this thing is. The web browser on this thing absolutely kicks ass
on this phone. My friend described one girl who saw the phone as being
"orgasmic" over it.
It is the coolest and most capable device out there. Apple hit a grand-slam
home run with this puppy. Yes - It is everything you've heard and much more.
--: The Sarge
No offense, but I'm not ready to pay $500 for a cell phone. All I want one
for is to make and receive phone calls. The other stuff I have absolutely
no interest.
AB
2007-07-21 16:11:36 UTC
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Post by ray
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model at the Woodfield Mall this week and this
thing is light years ahead of anything else out there.
EVERYBODY who's seen this thing has been totally impressed by how amazing
and slick this thing is. The web browser on this thing absolutely kicks ass
on this phone. My friend described one girl who saw the phone as being
"orgasmic" over it.
It is the coolest and most capable device out there. Apple hit a grand-slam
home run with this puppy. Yes - It is everything you've heard and much more.
--: The Sarge
No offense, but I'm not ready to pay $500 for a cell phone. All I want one
for is to make and receive phone calls. The other stuff I have absolutely
no interest.
I spent $30 for my last phone. I added $100 to it so it was good for a
year. It's looking like I'm going to have about $20 worth left when I
have to add the next $100 to keep it active.

I already have an mp3 player. 2 in fact. I rarely use them. But I have
them.

I have a camera, too. I use it every time I want to make sure it still
works. The wife uses her digital camera to take all of the pictures.

If/when I need portable video I guess I'll get around to getting
something for that, too. But I can't can't watch anything while I walk.
And most places I go I'm driving, so I can't watch much there either.

AT&T makes me itch. I'm glad I don't have to do business with them for
anything.

What are the supposed upsides that make that phone worth $500-600 plus
the cost of an expensive contract with AT&T?

Oh, that's right. I could surf the internet while I'm walking or
driving. MMM-MMM good! Just what I need: a small, fragile screen to
navigate around the internet on as I drive down the road at 55 or
higher.
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Kier
2007-07-21 19:02:09 UTC
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Post by AB
What are the supposed upsides that make that phone worth $500-600 plus
the cost of an expensive contract with AT&T?
Oh, that's right. I could surf the internet while I'm walking or
driving. MMM-MMM good! Just what I need: a small, fragile screen to
navigate around the internet on as I drive down the road at 55 or
higher.
Not everyone feels the same way as you do, though. There are people who do
want this phone, and will enjoy using it and its other capabilities.
Don't knock it just because *you* don't like it. That's what anti-Linux
types do, to Linux.
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AB
2007-07-21 19:07:26 UTC
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Post by Kier
Post by AB
What are the supposed upsides that make that phone worth $500-600 plus
the cost of an expensive contract with AT&T?
Oh, that's right. I could surf the internet while I'm walking or
driving. MMM-MMM good! Just what I need: a small, fragile screen to
navigate around the internet on as I drive down the road at 55 or
higher.
Not everyone feels the same way as you do, though. There are people who do
want this phone, and will enjoy using it and its other capabilities.
Don't knock it just because *you* don't like it. That's what anti-Linux
types do, to Linux.
I'm not knocking it. I'm pointing out that not everybody is overwhelmed
with what the iPhone does. Even fewer feel it's worth the price,
particularly with the lockin to one lousy provider.
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Kier
2007-07-21 21:10:55 UTC
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Post by AB
Post by Kier
Post by AB
What are the supposed upsides that make that phone worth $500-600 plus
the cost of an expensive contract with AT&T?
Oh, that's right. I could surf the internet while I'm walking or
driving. MMM-MMM good! Just what I need: a small, fragile screen to
navigate around the internet on as I drive down the road at 55 or
higher.
Not everyone feels the same way as you do, though. There are people who do
want this phone, and will enjoy using it and its other capabilities.
Don't knock it just because *you* don't like it. That's what anti-Linux
types do, to Linux.
I'm not knocking it. I'm pointing out that not everybody is overwhelmed
I understand that. Not every one *does* want or need such a device. I'm
perfectly content with my cheapo phone with its piddling little 40meg
memory and 1.3 meg camera - I don't use my mobile much. And I've got a
portable media player. It may not be as well-designed or pretty as the
iPhone, but it does what I want, and that's all I ask.
Post by AB
with what the iPhone does. Even fewer feel it's worth the price,
particularly with the lockin to one lousy provider.
The fact that the provider is lousy doesn't mean the iPhone itself is. And
since it seems to be selling quite well, despite any problems it may have,
more than a few *do* think it's worth the money.

It's not good pretending otherwise just because you'd like it to be
failure. It isn't. That you don't care for one and wouldn't buy one is a
perfectly honest opinion, but assuming that is the general opinion, isn't.

On the lockin question, well, I agree it's pretty stupid. Over here, we
can get most phoes with most mobile providers, one way or another. After
all, it's basically the SIM which controls the phone, not the other way
about.
--
Kier
Bob Hauck
2007-07-21 23:12:52 UTC
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Post by Kier
On the lockin question, well, I agree it's pretty stupid. Over here,
we can get most phoes with most mobile providers, one way or another.
After all, it's basically the SIM which controls the phone, not the
other way about.
Only two of the major US mobile phone companies use GSM. The others use
mostly CDMA, and those phones do not use a SIM card (at least not one
that can be changed out by the user). So in general it is not possible
to just buy a phone and stick your SIM card in it. You have to call up
the provider and get activated.

Some of the CDMA carriers actually keep track of the ESN of phones that
were sold for their network and will not activate a "foreign" one even
if it is otherwise compatible. How customer friendly of them.

To be truly multi-carrier, the iPhone would need to support at least two
different modulation schemes, or there would have to be two versions of
the phone, and Apple would need make agreeements with everyone.

The US mobile phone situation kind of sucks.
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William Poaster
2007-07-21 22:18:33 UTC
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It was on, or about, Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:07:26 -0500, that as I was
Post by AB
I'm not knocking it. I'm pointing out that not everybody is overwhelmed
with what the iPhone does. Even fewer feel it's worth the price,
particularly with the lockin to one lousy provider.
I'm very underwhelmed actually. All I want is a normal phone to make &
receive calls, period. AFAIC the iphone can be shoved sideways, "up where
the sun don't shine".
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So this would include anything that *he* says!
AB
2007-07-22 06:52:21 UTC
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Post by William Poaster
It was on, or about, Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:07:26 -0500, that as I was
Post by AB
I'm not knocking it. I'm pointing out that not everybody is overwhelmed
with what the iPhone does. Even fewer feel it's worth the price,
particularly with the lockin to one lousy provider.
I'm very underwhelmed actually. All I want is a normal phone to make &
receive calls, period. AFAIC the iphone can be shoved sideways, "up where
the sun don't shine".
All told I have $120 in phones (4 of them) and $400/year to keep them
going. As long as I can talk to people practically anywhere I need to,
I'm happy.

If the phone as other stuff, I don't have a problem with that. But I
don't need most of it.

For instance, my phone has a radio. OK. I listened to it once just to
see how good it was and how it worked. I listened to it one other time
just to test out an earpiece. That's it. I have no need.

It has a calendar. OK. I use it a little. But I write most important
things on the calendar on the wall. It's still good that I can put it
on the phone if I'm not home when the appointment is made. I can then
transfer it to the calendar on the wall.

It has an alarm clock. I _do_ use that when I'm on day shift. My
regular bell alarm clock died (a nice loud one that woke everybody in
the house) and I already had this phone. So I have Tubular Bells (theme
from the Exorcist) wake me.

I don't text or take notes. I tried that. Predictive text never sat
right with me. It kept getting words wrong, and I had more trouble
trying to correct them than putting them in without that. Putting them
in without predictive text is a major pain. But it beats _using_
predictive text. The keyboard on the iPhone might change my use in that
regard, Maybe. But for 20 times the price of the phone I have now?

The phone works as a speakerphone. I've used that. But only when a call
came in while I was driving and I had the earphone out for some reason.
I usually keep it in, though.

So, that's it. My $30 phone makes and receives calls, has an alarm
clock I use, can let me put on appointments (which could probably be
done in less than half the time with scraps of paper already in my
wallet) and has a speakerphone function that I might use sometimes. I
_could_ pay $500-600 for that same capability, though I'm not
absolutely sure about the alarm clock that I now need being there on
the iPhone.
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Mark Kent
2007-07-23 10:36:39 UTC
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Post by AB
Post by William Poaster
It was on, or about, Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:07:26 -0500, that as I was
Post by AB
I'm not knocking it. I'm pointing out that not everybody is overwhelmed
with what the iPhone does. Even fewer feel it's worth the price,
particularly with the lockin to one lousy provider.
I'm very underwhelmed actually. All I want is a normal phone to make &
receive calls, period. AFAIC the iphone can be shoved sideways, "up where
the sun don't shine".
All told I have $120 in phones (4 of them) and $400/year to keep them
going. As long as I can talk to people practically anywhere I need to,
I'm happy.
If the phone as other stuff, I don't have a problem with that. But I
don't need most of it.
For instance, my phone has a radio. OK. I listened to it once just to
see how good it was and how it worked. I listened to it one other time
just to test out an earpiece. That's it. I have no need.
It has a calendar. OK. I use it a little. But I write most important
things on the calendar on the wall. It's still good that I can put it
on the phone if I'm not home when the appointment is made. I can then
transfer it to the calendar on the wall.
It has an alarm clock. I _do_ use that when I'm on day shift. My
regular bell alarm clock died (a nice loud one that woke everybody in
the house) and I already had this phone. So I have Tubular Bells (theme
from the Exorcist) wake me.
I don't text or take notes. I tried that. Predictive text never sat
right with me. It kept getting words wrong, and I had more trouble
trying to correct them than putting them in without that. Putting them
in without predictive text is a major pain. But it beats _using_
predictive text. The keyboard on the iPhone might change my use in that
regard, Maybe. But for 20 times the price of the phone I have now?
The phone works as a speakerphone. I've used that. But only when a call
came in while I was driving and I had the earphone out for some reason.
I usually keep it in, though.
So, that's it. My $30 phone makes and receives calls, has an alarm
clock I use, can let me put on appointments (which could probably be
done in less than half the time with scraps of paper already in my
wallet) and has a speakerphone function that I might use sometimes. I
_could_ pay $500-600 for that same capability, though I'm not
absolutely sure about the alarm clock that I now need being there on
the iPhone.
You have to laugh at the troll's original posting, though - I don't
recall the exact text, but it was typical marketing drivel, something
like "a girl saw it and was orgasmic". Buy this beer, get girls. Drive
this car, get girls. Smoke these tabs, get girls. Use these footy
boots, get girls.

And so on.
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William Poaster
2007-07-23 11:34:14 UTC
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It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:36:39 +0100, that as I was
Post by Mark Kent
Post by AB
Post by William Poaster
It was on, or about, Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:07:26 -0500, that as I was
Post by AB
I'm not knocking it. I'm pointing out that not everybody is
overwhelmed with what the iPhone does. Even fewer feel it's worth the
price, particularly with the lockin to one lousy provider.
I'm very underwhelmed actually. All I want is a normal phone to make &
receive calls, period. AFAIC the iphone can be shoved sideways, "up
where the sun don't shine".
All told I have $120 in phones (4 of them) and $400/year to keep them
going. As long as I can talk to people practically anywhere I need to,
I'm happy.
If the phone as other stuff, I don't have a problem with that. But I
don't need most of it.
For instance, my phone has a radio. OK. I listened to it once just to
see how good it was and how it worked. I listened to it one other time
just to test out an earpiece. That's it. I have no need.
It has a calendar. OK. I use it a little. But I write most important
things on the calendar on the wall. It's still good that I can put it
on the phone if I'm not home when the appointment is made. I can then
transfer it to the calendar on the wall.
It has an alarm clock. I _do_ use that when I'm on day shift. My
regular bell alarm clock died (a nice loud one that woke everybody in
the house) and I already had this phone. So I have Tubular Bells (theme
from the Exorcist) wake me.
I don't text or take notes. I tried that. Predictive text never sat
right with me. It kept getting words wrong, and I had more trouble
trying to correct them than putting them in without that. Putting them
in without predictive text is a major pain. But it beats _using_
predictive text. The keyboard on the iPhone might change my use in that
regard, Maybe. But for 20 times the price of the phone I have now?
The phone works as a speakerphone. I've used that. But only when a call
came in while I was driving and I had the earphone out for some reason.
I usually keep it in, though.
So, that's it. My $30 phone makes and receives calls, has an alarm
clock I use, can let me put on appointments (which could probably be
done in less than half the time with scraps of paper already in my
wallet) and has a speakerphone function that I might use sometimes. I
_could_ pay $500-600 for that same capability, though I'm not
absolutely sure about the alarm clock that I now need being there on
the iPhone.
You have to laugh at the troll's original posting, though - I don't
recall the exact text, but it was typical marketing drivel, something
like "a girl saw it and was orgasmic". Buy this beer, get girls. Drive
this car, get girls. Smoke these tabs, get girls. Use these footy
boots, get girls.
And so on.
Be a laugh if he got mugged by a girl with a knife, while using it! ;-)
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2007-07-23 13:59:01 UTC
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Post by William Poaster
It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:36:39 +0100, that as I was
<snipo>
Post by William Poaster
Post by Mark Kent
You have to laugh at the troll's original posting, though - I don't
recall the exact text, but it was typical marketing drivel, something
like "a girl saw it and was orgasmic". Buy this beer, get girls. Drive
this car, get girls. Smoke these tabs, get girls. Use these footy
boots, get girls.
And so on.
Be a laugh if he got mugged by a girl with a knife, while using it! ;-)
Waah! Having just picked up my annual copy of Viz (I used to get it
more often, but not any more), I feel your idea would make an excellent
strip for it :-))
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Sgt. Slaughter
2007-07-22 12:35:43 UTC
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Post by AB
Post by ray
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model at the Woodfield Mall this week and this
thing is light years ahead of anything else out there.
EVERYBODY who's seen this thing has been totally impressed by how amazing
and slick this thing is. The web browser on this thing absolutely kicks ass
on this phone. My friend described one girl who saw the phone as being
"orgasmic" over it.
It is the coolest and most capable device out there. Apple hit a grand-slam
home run with this puppy. Yes - It is everything you've heard and much more.
--: The Sarge
No offense, but I'm not ready to pay $500 for a cell phone. All I want one
for is to make and receive phone calls. The other stuff I have absolutely
no interest.
I spent $30 for my last phone. I added $100 to it so it was good for a
year. It's looking like I'm going to have about $20 worth left when I
have to add the next $100 to keep it active.
I already have an mp3 player. 2 in fact. I rarely use them. But I have
them.
Another separate device to lug along.
Post by AB
I have a camera, too. I use it every time I want to make sure it still
works. The wife uses her digital camera to take all of the pictures.
Another separate device to lug along.
Post by AB
If/when I need portable video I guess I'll get around to getting
something for that, too. But I can't can't watch anything while I walk.
And most places I go I'm driving, so I can't watch much there either.
What are you... a truck driver? Most people don't spend their whole life
driving. I take the train into work every morning. That gives me plenty of
time to listen to music and play games or do both at the same time.
Post by AB
AT&T makes me itch. I'm glad I don't have to do business with them for
anything.
What are the supposed upsides that make that phone worth $500-600 plus
the cost of an expensive contract with AT&T?
I DO have a contract with AT&T. But it's fairly straight forward to do a
trick to use whatever carrier you want, or even use a pre-paid plan with an
iPhone. Look it up rectum boy.
Post by AB
Oh, that's right. I could surf the internet while I'm walking or
driving. MMM-MMM good! Just what I need: a small, fragile screen to
navigate around the internet on as I drive down the road at 55 or
higher.
The screen is anything but fragile. Look it up. And only a complete idiot
would try to surf the web while driving. Figures that you would think of
that.
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s***@freenet.co.uk
2007-07-22 13:11:32 UTC
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by AB
Post by ray
No offense, but I'm not ready to pay $500 for a cell phone. All I want one
for is to make and receive phone calls. The other stuff I have absolutely
no interest.
I spent $30 for my last phone. I added $100 to it so it was good for a
year. It's looking like I'm going to have about $20 worth left when I
have to add the next $100 to keep it active.
I already have an mp3 player. 2 in fact. I rarely use them. But I have
them.
Another separate device to lug along.
Keeping all your eggs in one basket...
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by AB
I have a camera, too. I use it every time I want to make sure it still
works. The wife uses her digital camera to take all of the pictures.
Another separate device to lug along.
Keeping all your eggs in one basket...
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by AB
If/when I need portable video I guess I'll get around to getting
something for that, too. But I can't can't watch anything while I walk.
And most places I go I'm driving, so I can't watch much there either.
What are you... a truck driver? Most people don't spend their whole life
driving. I take the train into work every morning. That gives me plenty of
time to listen to music and play games or do both at the same time.
But he just said he doesn't TAKE the train, he drives.
And when he's at work he'll have a fully (unless it's windows) functional pc
to do all his stuff on so the iphone will be redundant there. When he's
driving he can't use it and when he gets home he has a pc there too to do
all his iphoneytype stuff.

So, unless he has a breakdown in the middle of nowhere... When is he going
to use it?

Add to that the all your eggs problem. SO, you have an mp3 player and a
mobile phone... So so stressful, lugging those two incredibly light devices
round, isn't it.... and oh so stressful when one gets stolen when you're
mugged (but the miss the other one because it's hidden in your clothing)

Iphone gets nicked, you've lost the lot.
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Sgt. Slaughter
2007-07-22 13:30:39 UTC
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by AB
Post by ray
No offense, but I'm not ready to pay $500 for a cell phone. All I want one
for is to make and receive phone calls. The other stuff I have absolutely
no interest.
I spent $30 for my last phone. I added $100 to it so it was good for a
year. It's looking like I'm going to have about $20 worth left when I
have to add the next $100 to keep it active.
I already have an mp3 player. 2 in fact. I rarely use them. But I have
them.
Another separate device to lug along.
Keeping all your eggs in one basket...
No, it's called consolidation. One unit, one cable, one consistent user
interface. By your "logic" why not have dedicated unit for every specific
purpose. One device to read email, another device to send email, another
device to receive phone calls, another device to make phone calls, another
device to receive text messages, another device to send text messages. Of
course each device will have a slightly different UI because after all, each
one is made by a different company. And of course you'll need a dozen
different power adapters and a dozen different applications to keep
everything in sync with your PC.
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by AB
I have a camera, too. I use it every time I want to make sure it still
works. The wife uses her digital camera to take all of the pictures.
Another separate device to lug along.
Keeping all your eggs in one basket...
Ridiculous.
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by AB
If/when I need portable video I guess I'll get around to getting
something for that, too. But I can't can't watch anything while I walk.
And most places I go I'm driving, so I can't watch much there either.
What are you... a truck driver? Most people don't spend their whole life
driving. I take the train into work every morning. That gives me plenty of
time to listen to music and play games or do both at the same time.
But he just said he doesn't TAKE the train, he drives.
And when he's at work he'll have a fully (unless it's windows) functional pc
to do all his stuff on so the iphone will be redundant there. When he's
driving he can't use it and when he gets home he has a pc there too to do
all his iphoneytype stuff.
That's him and he's a stupid twit who still thinks it's funny to talk about
rectums and someones anus. There are millions of normal people out there who
find the device incredibly useful. Obviously Apple did their market research
before developing this unit and they correctly found that people really want
a device like this. And Apple was right. Rectum boy is simply an ignorant
idiot.
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
So, unless he has a breakdown in the middle of nowhere... When is he going
to use it?
At the airport, while waiting at a restaurant, while traveling, in a hotel,
etc, etc.
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Add to that the all your eggs problem. SO, you have an mp3 player and a
mobile phone... So so stressful, lugging those two incredibly light devices
round, isn't it.... and oh so stressful when one gets stolen when you're
mugged (but the miss the other one because it's hidden in your clothing)
Don't forget digital camera, mp3 player, PDA, phone and possibly more.
That's 4 units, 4 power adapters, 4 pieces of software to sync everything, 4
different UI's, the devices don't work together aren't integrated. Most
likely the quality of the apps is far below the quality of the iPhone apps.
Don't be jealous.
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Iphone gets nicked, you've lost the lot.
No, because everything is seemlessly synched with your desktop PC. The
iPhone is simply a duplicate of what's already on your computer.
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Hadron
2007-07-22 13:59:55 UTC
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
So, unless he has a breakdown in the middle of nowhere... When is he going
to use it?
At the airport, while waiting at a restaurant, while traveling, in a hotel,
etc, etc.
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Add to that the all your eggs problem. SO, you have an mp3 player and a
mobile phone... So so stressful, lugging those two incredibly light devices
round, isn't it.... and oh so stressful when one gets stolen when you're
mugged (but the miss the other one because it's hidden in your clothing)
Sometimes I wonder about spike1. His logic, when putting something non
linux down is simply stupid.

Where does it end?

Here he is arguing that it's better to have two devices than one. When
we are talking mobile devices.

Can someone get stupider?

Why the HELL would you prefer to carry two devices if you can have a
single one which is the same size as a single device?
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Don't forget digital camera, mp3 player, PDA, phone and possibly more.
That's 4 units, 4 power adapters, 4 pieces of software to sync everything, 4
different UI's, the devices don't work together aren't integrated. Most
likely the quality of the apps is far below the quality of the iPhone apps.
Don't be jealous.
Crazy isn't it. I have lost track of how many power adaptors I need at
the moment. I real PITA.
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Iphone gets nicked, you've lost the lot.
No, because everything is seemlessly synched with your desktop PC. The
iPhone is simply a duplicate of what's already on your computer.
He is clearly in denial. I wonder if he splits his PC into 5
different ones - one for DVD, one for News, one for etc etc etc.
Sgt. Slaughter
2007-07-22 14:23:28 UTC
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Post by Hadron
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
So, unless he has a breakdown in the middle of nowhere... When is he going
to use it?
At the airport, while waiting at a restaurant, while traveling, in a hotel,
etc, etc.
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Add to that the all your eggs problem. SO, you have an mp3 player and a
mobile phone... So so stressful, lugging those two incredibly light devices
round, isn't it.... and oh so stressful when one gets stolen when you're
mugged (but the miss the other one because it's hidden in your clothing)
Sometimes I wonder about spike1. His logic, when putting something non
linux down is simply stupid.
Where does it end?
Here he is arguing that it's better to have two devices than one. When
we are talking mobile devices.
And I absolutely love his excuse of - "and oh so stressful when one gets
stolen when you're mugged (but the miss the other one because it's hidden in
your clothing)"

Hello??? How often does he get mugged? The troll is actually arguing that
people should carry around multiple gadgets with them so that when they get
MUGGED the mugger will miss one of the other gadgets that the person is
carrying. LOL! - This has got to be the most moronic reason I've ever heard.
Post by Hadron
Can someone get stupider?
Why the HELL would you prefer to carry two devices if you can have a
single one which is the same size as a single device?
Even more true in the summer time when you might simply be wearing a
tee-shirt and some shorts. Where exactly does one keep 4 or 5 different
electronic gadgets?
Post by Hadron
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Don't forget digital camera, mp3 player, PDA, phone and possibly more.
That's 4 units, 4 power adapters, 4 pieces of software to sync everything, 4
different UI's, the devices don't work together aren't integrated. Most
likely the quality of the apps is far below the quality of the iPhone apps.
Don't be jealous.
Crazy isn't it. I have lost track of how many power adaptors I need at
the moment. I real PITA.
I really wish they (whoever "they" are) could standardize on one single
power connector standard. I hate having all sorts of different cords and
adapters all over my kitchen counter to plug everything into its own special
plug. No longer a problem now but it would be nice to standardize on
something.
Post by Hadron
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Iphone gets nicked, you've lost the lot.
No, because everything is seemlessly synched with your desktop PC. The
iPhone is simply a duplicate of what's already on your computer.
He is clearly in denial. I wonder if he splits his PC into 5
different ones - one for DVD, one for News, one for etc etc etc.
The "sour grapes" metaphore comes to mind with this spike troll. - "Sour
grapes is the false denial of desire for something sought but not acquired;
to denigrate and feign disdain for that which one could not attain."
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s***@freenet.co.uk
2007-07-22 14:32:50 UTC
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Hello??? How often does he get mugged? The troll is actually arguing that
people should carry around multiple gadgets with them so that when they get
MUGGED the mugger will miss one of the other gadgets that the person is
carrying. LOL! - This has got to be the most moronic reason I've ever heard.
Hahah, so playing devil's advocate is now trolling is it?
Having the audacity to disagree with you is trolling... I'll remember that.

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William Poaster
2007-07-22 15:31:48 UTC
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It was on, or about, Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:32:50 +0000, that as I was
<snip drivel>
Hahah, so playing devil's advocate is now trolling is it? Having the
audacity to disagree with you is trolling... I'll remember that.
I don't see the OP, but it seems the spamtroll doesn't like you knocking
down it's strawman arguments.
As you point out, it's not too long ago people carrying ipods were mugged.
Anyway it doesn't matter how often he gets mugged, if someone's bought an
expensive iphone which has their info on, they only need to be mugged
once. Their email info is then in someone else's hands, & it doesn't take
a genius to work out what they'll do with it.
There is a report that on one iphone {OS X 1.0 (1A543a)} it allows the
MobileMail application to be run as superuser!!
It crashes too, which reveals a few things:
http://arslounge.com/user/27/tag/os%20x/

Note also:-
Apple run ordinary user applications as SUID root
Apple's web applications on the iPhone are already crashing.
The iPhone comes with the root account enabled
http://rixstep.com/2/1/20070703,00.shtml

Now, do you *really* want one of these gadgets? As I've said, I'll stick
with a simple call/receive cell phone, thank-you.
<snip rest of his irrelevant bullshit>
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dapunka
2007-07-22 18:49:35 UTC
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On 22 Jul, 14:30, "Sgt. Slaughter" <***@gmail.com> wrote:

<obvious snip>
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Don't forget digital camera,
Incidentally, what's the repro quality of the camera like? If you
print out a hard copy at, say, A3 size?

This isn't meant as a criticism of the iPhone (in particular), but
when you're talking digital cameras, there is little difference
between a 2 MPixel sensor's output and a 8 MPixel sensor's, if the
pic's being taken through the crappy little lenses you usually find
stuck on a cellphone. To take pix for good printing, you want a good
glass lens.

If you just want to view your pix on a PC monitor or cellphone
display, all those extra millions of pixels amount to very little.
William Poaster
2007-07-22 14:20:09 UTC
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It was on, or about, Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:11:32 +0000, that as I was
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by AB
Post by ray
No offense, but I'm not ready to pay $500 for a cell phone. All I want one
for is to make and receive phone calls. The other stuff I have
absolutely no interest.
I spent $30 for my last phone. I added $100 to it so it was good for a
year. It's looking like I'm going to have about $20 worth left when I
have to add the next $100 to keep it active.
I already have an mp3 player. 2 in fact. I rarely use them. But I have
them.
Another separate device to lug along.
Keeping all your eggs in one basket...
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by AB
I have a camera, too. I use it every time I want to make sure it still
works. The wife uses her digital camera to take all of the pictures.
Another separate device to lug along.
Keeping all your eggs in one basket...
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by AB
If/when I need portable video I guess I'll get around to getting
something for that, too. But I can't can't watch anything while I
walk. And most places I go I'm driving, so I can't watch much there
either.
What are you... a truck driver? Most people don't spend their whole
life driving. I take the train into work every morning. That gives me
plenty of time to listen to music and play games or do both at the same
time.
But he just said he doesn't TAKE the train, he drives. And when he's at
work he'll have a fully (unless it's windows) functional pc to do all
his stuff on so the iphone will be redundant there. When he's driving he
can't use it and when he gets home he has a pc there too to do all his
iphoneytype stuff.
So, unless he has a breakdown in the middle of nowhere...
Hence a simple cell phone so you can call the rescue service.
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
When is he going to use it?
He ain't.
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Add to that the all your eggs problem. SO, you have an mp3 player and a
mobile phone... So so stressful, lugging those two incredibly light
devices round, isn't it.... and oh so stressful when one gets stolen
when you're mugged (but the miss the other one because it's hidden in
your clothing)
Iphone gets nicked, you've lost the lot.
And you're more likely to get mugged for one of those, than a simple call/
receive cell phone IMO.
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s***@freenet.co.uk
2007-07-22 14:41:02 UTC
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Post by William Poaster
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Add to that the all your eggs problem. SO, you have an mp3 player and a
mobile phone... So so stressful, lugging those two incredibly light
devices round, isn't it.... and oh so stressful when one gets stolen
when you're mugged (but the miss the other one because it's hidden in
your clothing)
Iphone gets nicked, you've lost the lot.
And you're more likely to get mugged for one of those, than a simple call/
receive cell phone IMO.
Indeed, just like a couple of years ago when muggers were targetting people
with white earphones because that signified iPod.
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2007-07-22 15:20:07 UTC
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Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by AB
Post by ray
No offense, but I'm not ready to pay $500 for a cell phone. All I want one
for is to make and receive phone calls. The other stuff I have absolutely
no interest.
I spent $30 for my last phone. I added $100 to it so it was good for a
year. It's looking like I'm going to have about $20 worth left when I
have to add the next $100 to keep it active.
I already have an mp3 player. 2 in fact. I rarely use them. But I have
them.
Another separate device to lug along.
Keeping all your eggs in one basket...
I said I rarely use it, too.
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by AB
I have a camera, too. I use it every time I want to make sure it still
works. The wife uses her digital camera to take all of the pictures.
Another separate device to lug along.
Keeping all your eggs in one basket...
Never used. I make sure it still works. Period.
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by AB
If/when I need portable video I guess I'll get around to getting
something for that, too. But I can't can't watch anything while I walk.
And most places I go I'm driving, so I can't watch much there either.
What are you... a truck driver? Most people don't spend their whole life
driving. I take the train into work every morning. That gives me plenty of
time to listen to music and play games or do both at the same time.
But he just said he doesn't TAKE the train, he drives.
And when he's at work he'll have a fully (unless it's windows) functional pc
to do all his stuff on so the iphone will be redundant there. When he's
driving he can't use it and when he gets home he has a pc there too to do
all his iphoneytype stuff.
So, unless he has a breakdown in the middle of nowhere... When is he going
to use it?
I suppose I could always get on a bus or train to ride around so I
could justify having the player. Those are the only ways Ican imagine
I'd have the chance unless I just sat around home or work (and got
fired) listening to and watching it.
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Add to that the all your eggs problem. SO, you have an mp3 player and a
mobile phone... So so stressful, lugging those two incredibly light devices
round, isn't it.... and oh so stressful when one gets stolen when you're
mugged (but the miss the other one because it's hidden in your clothing)
Iphone gets nicked, you've lost the lot.
But if my phone gets swiped I'll still have my 2 mp3 players I don't
use and the camera that I'll have to put batteries in to make sure it's
till operable and the video player (assuming I ever buy one) that I
never have the opportunity to play with unless I do so sitting on the
couch or on the back porch.

I'm happy for Sgt. Schult, and glad he's happy with his gadget. I hope
his pleasure (and gadget) last him long enough that he can look back
and decide it was worth the extra cost. It ain't for me. Not even if it
gets discounted by 80%.

Here in the US people have been getting mugged (and seriously hurt) for
their iPods. I expect to see news of this happening with iPhones pretty
soon, too. Nobody wants to bother robbing me for my $30 Nokia, though.
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2007-07-22 15:53:07 UTC
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Post by AB
Here in the US people have been getting mugged (and seriously hurt) for
their iPods. I expect to see news of this happening with iPhones pretty
soon, too. Nobody wants to bother robbing me for my $30 Nokia, though.
Same things've been reported here. And I expect the iphone will be the next
mugging fad, too.
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Sgt. Slaughter
2007-07-22 16:01:40 UTC
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Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by AB
Here in the US people have been getting mugged (and seriously hurt) for
their iPods. I expect to see news of this happening with iPhones pretty
soon, too. Nobody wants to bother robbing me for my $30 Nokia, though.
Same things've been reported here. And I expect the iphone will be the next
mugging fad, too.
The iPhone is about twice the size of a pack of cigarettes. If it's simply
in your pocket you're pretty unlikely to get mugged. I've lived 28 years of
my life outside the city of Chicago and have yet to ever be mugged. I make
my buying decisions based on what ***I*** want and desire. I don't buy
things based on my fear of getting mugged for the first time.

Enjoy your sour grapes.
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s***@freenet.co.uk
2007-07-22 16:12:11 UTC
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by AB
Here in the US people have been getting mugged (and seriously hurt) for
their iPods. I expect to see news of this happening with iPhones pretty
soon, too. Nobody wants to bother robbing me for my $30 Nokia, though.
Same things've been reported here. And I expect the iphone will be the next
mugging fad, too.
The iPhone is about twice the size of a pack of cigarettes. If it's simply
in your pocket you're pretty unlikely to get mugged.
Pickpocketed on the other hand...
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
I've lived 28 years of
my life outside the city of Chicago and have yet to ever be mugged. I make
my buying decisions based on what ***I*** want and desire. I don't buy
things based on my fear of getting mugged for the first time.
Enjoy your sour grapes.
No sour grapes here, I just don't see the point of spending 500 dollars on
something that you carry about and risk losing in one random act of
violence or pickpocketry. And as for your "I keep it in my pocket"...
How do you use it then? The moment you take it out to watch a video you're
advertising the thing to all the thieves in the area.
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2007-07-22 16:38:24 UTC
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Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by AB
Here in the US people have been getting mugged (and seriously hurt) for
their iPods. I expect to see news of this happening with iPhones pretty
soon, too. Nobody wants to bother robbing me for my $30 Nokia, though.
Same things've been reported here. And I expect the iphone will be the next
mugging fad, too.
The iPhone is about twice the size of a pack of cigarettes. If it's simply
in your pocket you're pretty unlikely to get mugged.
Pickpocketed on the other hand...
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
I've lived 28 years of
my life outside the city of Chicago and have yet to ever be mugged. I make
my buying decisions based on what ***I*** want and desire. I don't buy
things based on my fear of getting mugged for the first time.
I've lived 11 years in Kansas City and I've been mugged twice.

Shit happens, and then you die.
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Enjoy your sour grapes.
No sour grapes here, I just don't see the point of spending 500 dollars on
something that you carry about and risk losing in one random act of
violence or pickpocketry. And as for your "I keep it in my pocket"...
How do you use it then? The moment you take it out to watch a video you're
advertising the thing to all the thieves in the area.
Hell, I've dropped phones due to belt clips being made by retards, or
because the clips break. With my prepaid $30 phone with no contract,
the most I'll be out if I lose it is $130 (minus depreciation on the
phone). With an iPhone I'd be out the $500 or more for the gizmo, plus
the cost of the contract to use it as a phone.

Nothing sour about that.

Sgt Carter seems to be caught up in trying to justify his expensive
gadget to those of us who have no need for it. Maybe he's having second
thoughts on the wisdom of spending all that dough for an mp3 player
with phone capability. Perhaps he should have asked Gomer to help him
decide.

He could make the best of the situation and just be happy with
downloading iTunes and talking over a piss-poor phone network.
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2007-07-22 16:54:53 UTC
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Post by AB
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by AB
Here in the US people have been getting mugged (and seriously hurt) for
their iPods. I expect to see news of this happening with iPhones pretty
soon, too. Nobody wants to bother robbing me for my $30 Nokia, though.
Same things've been reported here. And I expect the iphone will be the next
mugging fad, too.
The iPhone is about twice the size of a pack of cigarettes. If it's simply
in your pocket you're pretty unlikely to get mugged.
Pickpocketed on the other hand...
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
I've lived 28 years of
my life outside the city of Chicago and have yet to ever be mugged. I make
my buying decisions based on what ***I*** want and desire. I don't buy
things based on my fear of getting mugged for the first time.
I've lived 11 years in Kansas City and I've been mugged twice.
Shit happens, and then you die.
I wonder if Apple considered the "mugging factor" into their design. The
mind boggles at your ability to knock a successful device like the
iPhone, purely because it's not Linux based. Sour Grapes.
Post by AB
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Enjoy your sour grapes.
No sour grapes here, I just don't see the point of spending 500 dollars on
something that you carry about and risk losing in one random act of
violence or pickpocketry. And as for your "I keep it in my pocket"...
How do you use it then? The moment you take it out to watch a video you're
advertising the thing to all the thieves in the area.
Hell, I've dropped phones due to belt clips being made by retards, or
because the clips break. With my prepaid $30 phone with no contract,
the most I'll be out if I lose it is $130 (minus depreciation on the
phone). With an iPhone I'd be out the $500 or more for the gizmo, plus
the cost of the contract to use it as a phone.
LOL. How foolish. DO you not buy a nice car, watch or sound system in
case a meteor comes through your roof?
Post by AB
Nothing sour about that.
We can hear you wincing as you suck on those grapes.
Post by AB
Sgt Carter seems to be caught up in trying to justify his expensive
gadget to those of us who have no need for it. Maybe he's having second
Nice weasel.
Sgt. Slaughter
2007-07-22 18:06:35 UTC
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Post by Hadron
Post by AB
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by AB
Here in the US people have been getting mugged (and seriously hurt) for
their iPods. I expect to see news of this happening with iPhones pretty
soon, too. Nobody wants to bother robbing me for my $30 Nokia, though.
Same things've been reported here. And I expect the iphone will be the next
mugging fad, too.
The iPhone is about twice the size of a pack of cigarettes. If it's simply
in your pocket you're pretty unlikely to get mugged.
Pickpocketed on the other hand...
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
I've lived 28 years of
my life outside the city of Chicago and have yet to ever be mugged. I make
my buying decisions based on what ***I*** want and desire. I don't buy
things based on my fear of getting mugged for the first time.
I've lived 11 years in Kansas City and I've been mugged twice.
Shit happens, and then you die.
I wonder if Apple considered the "mugging factor" into their design. The
mind boggles at your ability to knock a successful device like the
iPhone, purely because it's not Linux based. Sour Grapes.
Post by AB
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Enjoy your sour grapes.
No sour grapes here, I just don't see the point of spending 500 dollars on
something that you carry about and risk losing in one random act of
violence or pickpocketry. And as for your "I keep it in my pocket"...
How do you use it then? The moment you take it out to watch a video you're
advertising the thing to all the thieves in the area.
Hell, I've dropped phones due to belt clips being made by retards, or
because the clips break. With my prepaid $30 phone with no contract,
the most I'll be out if I lose it is $130 (minus depreciation on the
phone). With an iPhone I'd be out the $500 or more for the gizmo, plus
the cost of the contract to use it as a phone.
LOL. How foolish. DO you not buy a nice car, watch or sound system in
case a meteor comes through your roof?
I think the spike troll has a point. People shouldn't buy nice cars because
they are more likely to be stolen. People shouldn't live in a nice house
because they are more likely to be burglarized. People shouldn't dress
nicely because they are more likely to be mugged than someone who dresses
like a bum.

Nobody should buy, own or use anything nice. People should live their entire
life planning and anticipating getting mugged or robbed. It's not about
living life as you choose or doing what you want; it's all about "living"
your life in anticipation of being robbed.

He really is dumber than a pile of rocks.
Post by Hadron
Post by AB
Nothing sour about that.
We can hear you wincing as you suck on those grapes.
Post by AB
Sgt Carter seems to be caught up in trying to justify his expensive
gadget to those of us who have no need for it. Maybe he's having second
Nice weasel.
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s***@freenet.co.uk
2007-07-22 18:18:36 UTC
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
I think the spike troll has a point. People shouldn't buy nice cars because
they are more likely to be stolen. People shouldn't live in a nice house
because they are more likely to be burglarized.
The word is burgled.
Why do americans invent words that sound stupid and end up being LONGER than
the one they couldn't remember?

Burglar, burgle, burgled, burgling. None of this burglarizing bullshit.
Utter stupidity.
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2007-07-23 00:35:40 UTC
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Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
I think the spike troll has a point. People shouldn't buy nice cars because
they are more likely to be stolen. People shouldn't live in a nice house
because they are more likely to be burglarized.
The word is burgled.
Why do americans invent words that sound stupid and end up being LONGER than
the one they couldn't remember?
Burglar, burgle, burgled, burgling. None of this burglarizing bullshit.
Utter stupidity.
Could you possibly be any dumber? It only takes about 2 seconds to look this
up and avoid looking like the total retarded jackass that you are.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/burglarized

bur·glar·ize(bûrgl-rz)
v. bur·glar·ized, bur·glar·iz·ing, bur·glar·iz·es

1. To enter and steal from (a building or other premises).
2. To commit burglary against: The second-floor tenants have been
BURGLARIZED twice.
v.intr.
To commit burglary.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/07/07/obama-office-burglarized/

DAVENPORT, Iowa (AP) - The Davenport campaign headquarters for Sen. Barack
Obama, D-Ill., was BURGLARIZED Friday night.
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2007-07-23 08:01:25 UTC
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Burglar, burgle, burgled, burgling. None of this burglarizing bullshit.
Utter stupidity.
Could you possibly be any dumber? It only takes about 2 seconds to look this
up and avoid looking like the total retarded jackass that you are.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/burglarized
And what has that to do with anything?
Don't try to deny you americans made the word up because you couldn't think
of the proper one. Just because you made it up in an incredibly fit of
stupidity 100 years ago and it stuck is no excuse.
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2007-07-23 09:13:33 UTC
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It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:01:25 +0000, that as I was
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Burglar, burgle, burgled, burgling. None of this burglarizing
bullshit. Utter stupidity.
Could you possibly be any dumber? It only takes about 2 seconds to look
this up and avoid looking like the total retarded jackass that you are.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/burglarized
And what has that to do with anything? Don't try to deny you americans
made the word up because you couldn't think of the proper one. Just
because you made it up in an incredibly fit of stupidity 100 years ago
and it stuck is no excuse.
The Oxford English Dictionary gives "burglarize" as: verb North American
term for BURGLE. "burglarized" sounds like a Bushism....or should that be
Bushizm.. <grin>
You can often tell words are American, as they usually replace the 's' in
words with 'z'.
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2007-07-23 14:31:39 UTC
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Post by William Poaster
It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:01:25 +0000, that as I was
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Burglar, burgle, burgled, burgling. None of this burglarizing
bullshit. Utter stupidity.
Could you possibly be any dumber? It only takes about 2 seconds to look
this up and avoid looking like the total retarded jackass that you are.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/burglarized
And what has that to do with anything? Don't try to deny you americans
made the word up because you couldn't think of the proper one. Just
because you made it up in an incredibly fit of stupidity 100 years ago
and it stuck is no excuse.
The Oxford English Dictionary gives "burglarize" as: verb North American
term for BURGLE. "burglarized" sounds like a Bushism....or should that be
Bushizm.. <grin>
You can often tell words are American, as they usually replace the 's' in
words with 'z'.
If you've ever listened to Dead Ringers (sometimes they come up on Radio
7), they did an excellent p*ss-take of Bush... a bit like:

"... Well, I re-orderize that the citizens of Pakmenistan have been
eatorizing each other's food for hundreds of years from tomorrow ..."

except funny. Of course.

Burlarise? Please... no! yuk.
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William Poaster
2007-07-23 14:45:28 UTC
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It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:31:39 +0100, that as I was
Post by Mark Kent
Post by William Poaster
It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:01:25 +0000, that as I was
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Burglar, burgle, burgled, burgling. None of this burglarizing
bullshit. Utter stupidity.
Could you possibly be any dumber? It only takes about 2 seconds to
look this up and avoid looking like the total retarded jackass that
you are.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/burglarized
And what has that to do with anything? Don't try to deny you americans
made the word up because you couldn't think of the proper one. Just
because you made it up in an incredibly fit of stupidity 100 years ago
and it stuck is no excuse.
The Oxford English Dictionary gives "burglarize" as: verb North
American term for BURGLE. "burglarized" sounds like a Bushism....or
should that be Bushizm.. <grin>
You can often tell words are American, as they usually replace the 's'
in words with 'z'.
If you've ever listened to Dead Ringers (sometimes they come up on Radio
"... Well, I re-orderize that the citizens of Pakmenistan have been
eatorizing each other's food for hundreds of years from tomorrow ..."
except funny. Of course.
I can almost hear Jon Culshaw saying it!
Post by Mark Kent
Burlarise? Please... no! yuk.
Even my Merkan misses blinked at that!
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Thufir
2007-07-23 03:09:12 UTC
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Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
I think the spike troll has a point. People shouldn't buy nice cars
because they are more likely to be stolen. People shouldn't live in a
nice house because they are more likely to be burglarized.
The word is burgled.
Why do americans invent words that sound stupid and end up being LONGER
than the one they couldn't remember?
Burglar, burgle, burgled, burgling. None of this burglarizing bullshit.
Utter stupidity.
burglarize
One entry found for burglarize.
Main Entry: bur·glar·ize
Pronunciation: 'b&r-gl&-"rIz also 'b&r-g&-l&-
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -ized; -iz·ing
transitive verb
1 : to break into and steal from <burglarize a house>
2 : to commit burglary against
intransitive verb : to commit burglary



per websters, an american dictionary.





-Thufir
s***@freenet.co.uk
2007-07-23 08:20:00 UTC
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Post by Thufir
per websters, an american dictionary.
Of course.
Any reputable dictionary (one perhaps, that knew how to spell simple words
like colour and flavour), would list "burglarize" but use the term
"americanisation" to show it's not a proper word.
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2007-07-23 10:44:32 UTC
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Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Any reputable dictionary (one perhaps, that knew how to spell simple words
like colour and flavour), would list "burglarize" but use the term
"americanisation" to show it's not a proper word.
You seem unaware of how language works. Hint: usage determines what is
proper, and 67% of native English speakers are in the US, compared to
17% for the UK.
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Hadron
2007-07-23 10:56:12 UTC
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Post by Tim Smith
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Any reputable dictionary (one perhaps, that knew how to spell simple words
like colour and flavour), would list "burglarize" but use the term
"americanisation" to show it's not a proper word.
You seem unaware of how language works. Hint: usage determines what is
proper, and 67% of native English speakers are in the US, compared to
17% for the UK.
Poor spike1. Wrong again and instead of slinking he's doing what you
should never do in quicksand - he's struggling. I can see the limp hand
sinking below the mulch ....

I find in general that one should never try and correct people on
grammar and/or spelling - as people will pull them up on it if they are
wrong while doing so.

Unfortunately CS degrees don't give one the right to determine which
Americanizations are considered "legal" or not while discoursing with
the Queen at another terminally boring Garden Party at Windsor. What.
dapunka
2007-07-23 14:50:40 UTC
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Post by Hadron
I find in general that one should never try and correct people on
grammar and/or spelling - as people will pull them up on it if they are
wrong while doing so.
I gotta say, I actually agree with Hadron - pulling people up about
this kind of crap on the internet is generally not a good idea. Some
people have a better grasp of spelling and grammar usage (use?) than
others... so what? So long as you can communicate, the cherries on
the cake don't matter. As for differences in regional spelling and/or
vocabulary - this isn't the UK or the USA, it's the internet. I type
"favourite", someone else types "favorite", and guess what, we're both
right/wrong.
Post by Hadron
Unfortunately CS degrees don't give one the right to determine which
Americanizations are considered "legal" or not while discoursing with
the Queen at another terminally boring Garden Party at Windsor. What.
Of course, that moment of cosmic symmetry, when Hadron and I were in
accord, is temporary. The dickhead is still a dickhead. Normal
service has been resumed. Y'all.
Hadron
2007-07-23 15:09:08 UTC
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Post by dapunka
Post by Hadron
I find in general that one should never try and correct people on
grammar and/or spelling - as people will pull them up on it if they are
wrong while doing so.
I gotta say, I actually agree with Hadron - pulling people up about
this kind of crap on the internet is generally not a good idea. Some
people have a better grasp of spelling and grammar usage (use?) than
others... so what? So long as you can communicate, the cherries on
the cake don't matter. As for differences in regional spelling and/or
vocabulary - this isn't the UK or the USA, it's the internet. I type
"favourite", someone else types "favorite", and guess what, we're both
right/wrong.
Post by Hadron
Unfortunately CS degrees don't give one the right to determine which
Americanizations are considered "legal" or not while discoursing with
the Queen at another terminally boring Garden Party at Windsor. What.
Of course, that moment of cosmic symmetry, when Hadron and I were in
accord, is temporary. The dickhead is still a dickhead. Normal
service has been resumed. Y'all.
And yet it was spike1 pulling someone up on their grammar and
spelling. And nothing I said in that last paragraph was contrary to what
had happened and how he was proven wrong yet again.

Don't try and ingratiate yourself with these bozos. Your character is
reflected in the company you keep.
s***@freenet.co.uk
2007-07-23 15:23:56 UTC
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Post by Hadron
And yet it was spike1 pulling someone up on their grammar and
spelling. And nothing I said in that last paragraph was contrary to what
had happened and how he was proven wrong yet again.
Don't try and ingratiate yourself with these bozos. Your character is
reflected in the company you keep.
Indeed, follow his advice and only "ingratiate" yourself with people worthy.
(don't you just love his use of language, ingratiate instead of just
"siding with". Makes you sound like a right arse licker, doesn't it.)

NOTE: hardon is not one of those people, he's one of the scummiest people in
this newsgroup. (one of, not THE most. DFS and chums fall into that
category)
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2007-07-23 18:07:17 UTC
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It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:23:56 +0000, that as I was
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
And yet it was spike1 pulling someone up on their grammar and spelling.
And nothing I said in that last paragraph was contrary to what had
happened and how he was proven wrong yet again.
Don't try and ingratiate yourself with these bozos. Your character is
reflected in the company you keep.
Indeed, follow his advice and only "ingratiate" yourself with people
worthy. (don't you just love his use of language, ingratiate instead of
just "siding with". Makes you sound like a right arse licker, doesn't
it.)
NOTE: hardon is not one of those people, he's one of the scummiest
people in this newsgroup. (one of, not THE most. DFS and chums fall into
that category)
He's a windoze user, wtf did you expect.
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2007-07-23 19:44:29 UTC
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Post by Tim Smith
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Any reputable dictionary (one perhaps, that knew how to spell simple words
like colour and flavour), would list "burglarize" but use the term
"americanisation" to show it's not a proper word.
You seem unaware of how language works. Hint: usage determines what is
proper, and 67% of native English speakers are in the US, compared to
17% for the UK.
yeah, it's *our* language now pal! an' don't you forget it!

y'all use way too many u's too. THat's gonna change <forboding music>

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Mark Kent
2007-07-23 20:38:31 UTC
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Post by Tim Smith
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Any reputable dictionary (one perhaps, that knew how to spell simple words
like colour and flavour), would list "burglarize" but use the term
"americanisation" to show it's not a proper word.
You seem unaware of how language works. Hint: usage determines what is
proper, and 67% of native English speakers are in the US, compared to
17% for the UK.
yeah, it's *our* language now pal! an' don't you forget it!
y'all use way too many u's too. THat's gonna change <forboding music>
Timmy's posted his incorrect numbers on this before...
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William Poaster
2007-07-23 22:06:56 UTC
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It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:38:31 +0100, that as I was
Post by Mark Kent
Post by Jim Richardson
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Post by Tim Smith
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Any reputable dictionary (one perhaps, that knew how to spell simple
words like colour and flavour), would list "burglarize" but use the
term "americanisation" to show it's not a proper word.
You seem unaware of how language works. Hint: usage determines what
is proper, and 67% of native English speakers are in the US, compared
to 17% for the UK.
yeah, it's *our* language now pal! an' don't you forget it!
y'all use way too many u's too. THat's gonna change <forboding music>
Timmy's posted his incorrect numbers on this before...
Also what about all the Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans &
Canadians that use teh British way of spelling.
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Linonut
2007-07-23 23:02:41 UTC
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Post by William Poaster
Post by Mark Kent
Timmy's posted his incorrect numbers on this before...
Also what about all the Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans &
Canadians that use teh British way of spelling.
And even Americans. H.P.'s tale wouldn't be as quaint with an
Amurrrrrricanized title:

http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/thecolouroutofspace.htm
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2007-07-24 06:44:05 UTC
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Post by Linonut
Post by William Poaster
Post by Mark Kent
Timmy's posted his incorrect numbers on this before...
Also what about all the Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans &
Canadians that use teh British way of spelling.
And even Americans. H.P.'s tale wouldn't be as quaint with an
http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/thecolouroutofspace.htm
If you look at the numbers, a very large number of US citizens are
not native English speakers anyway, whereas the numbers Timmy quotes
ignore the Irish, Canadians, Aussies, Kiwis, Springboks, Malaysians,
Singaporeans, HK Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Caribbeans, BVIslanders,
Bermudans, etc. etc. who are native english speakers, and use standard
english, rather than the US version which was /deliberately/ mis-spelt
by Mr Webster. I did some numbers on this ages ago, the yanks are
nowhere near any kind of majority. Timmy doesn't like facts, though.

One major and unique distinction between English and most major languages
is that nobody has tried to "formalise" it, well, except for that yank
Webster... of course, by b*ggering about with spellings, he's directly
affected pronounciation in the US, too.
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Kier
2007-07-24 10:16:56 UTC
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Post by Mark Kent
Post by Linonut
Post by William Poaster
Post by Mark Kent
Timmy's posted his incorrect numbers on this before...
Also what about all the Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans &
Canadians that use teh British way of spelling.
And even Americans. H.P.'s tale wouldn't be as quaint with an
http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/thecolouroutofspace.htm
If you look at the numbers, a very large number of US citizens are
not native English speakers anyway, whereas the numbers Timmy quotes
ignore the Irish, Canadians, Aussies, Kiwis, Springboks, Malaysians,
Singaporeans, HK Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Caribbeans, BVIslanders,
Bermudans, etc. etc. who are native english speakers, and use standard
english, rather than the US version which was /deliberately/ mis-spelt
by Mr Webster. I did some numbers on this ages ago, the yanks are
nowhere near any kind of majority. Timmy doesn't like facts, though.
One major and unique distinction between English and most major languages
is that nobody has tried to "formalise" it, well, except for that yank
Webster... of course, by b*ggering about with spellings, he's directly
affected pronounciation in the US, too.
While I dislike the Americanised spellings, if an American uses them, he
has a perfect right to do so - he's writing in American English. Did you
know that Dickens used to spell a great many words the American way,
including 'color'?
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Mark Kent
2007-07-24 10:43:24 UTC
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Post by Kier
Post by Mark Kent
Post by Linonut
Post by William Poaster
Post by Mark Kent
Timmy's posted his incorrect numbers on this before...
Also what about all the Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans &
Canadians that use teh British way of spelling.
And even Americans. H.P.'s tale wouldn't be as quaint with an
http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/thecolouroutofspace.htm
If you look at the numbers, a very large number of US citizens are
not native English speakers anyway, whereas the numbers Timmy quotes
ignore the Irish, Canadians, Aussies, Kiwis, Springboks, Malaysians,
Singaporeans, HK Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Caribbeans, BVIslanders,
Bermudans, etc. etc. who are native english speakers, and use standard
english, rather than the US version which was /deliberately/ mis-spelt
by Mr Webster. I did some numbers on this ages ago, the yanks are
nowhere near any kind of majority. Timmy doesn't like facts, though.
One major and unique distinction between English and most major languages
is that nobody has tried to "formalise" it, well, except for that yank
Webster... of course, by b*ggering about with spellings, he's directly
affected pronounciation in the US, too.
While I dislike the Americanised spellings, if an American uses them, he
has a perfect right to do so - he's writing in American English. Did you
Umm, no, he's writing English with Webster's US spellings. Canadians are
Americans, too, and they spell english the standard way (with a couple
of exceptions which spring to mind, but not many).
Post by Kier
know that Dickens used to spell a great many words the American way,
including 'color'?
From Great Expectations, Ch20:

'Mithter Jaggerth! Half a moment! My hown cuthen'th gone to
Mithter Wemmick at thith prethenth minute to hoffer him hany
termth.

Charles Dickens was very positive about the US, which is quite fine, of
course, but I think if you have US spellings, then perhaps you have a
US published copy? The development of english spelling is an
interesting subject in itself, strongly tied to the development of the
printing press and the growth of national newspapers.

I've just had a quick flick through Great Ex, Hard Times & The
Cricket on the Hearth and can find plenty of favourite and honour spelt
properly, along with learnt and knelt, but I've found neither color nor
colour...
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Linonut
2007-07-24 11:46:05 UTC
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Post by Mark Kent
Post by Kier
know that Dickens used to spell a great many words the American way,
including 'color'?
I've just had a quick flick through Great Ex, Hard Times & The
Cricket on the Hearth and can find plenty of favourite and honour spelt
properly, along with learnt and knelt, but I've found neither color nor
colour...
I'll bet you can find a Dickens concordance on the web and settle the
issue.
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Thufir
2007-07-24 19:03:21 UTC
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Post by Mark Kent
Umm, no, he's writing English with Webster's US spellings. Canadians
are Americans, too
Get real, only (some) Mexicans and Canadians claim to be Americans, in
the rest of the world "American" means US citizens. That's the usage.

By that logic, Brazilians are Americans, etc. Yes, they all live in
North or South or Central America, but get real. The colloquial meaning
is "US citizen".
Linonut
2007-07-23 22:59:27 UTC
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Post by Mark Kent
Post by Tim Smith
You seem unaware of how language works. Hint: usage determines what is
proper, and 67% of native English speakers are in the US, compared to
17% for the UK.
Timmy's posted his incorrect numbers on this before...
'e's a bl'dy tossah!
Mark Kent
2007-07-24 06:44:19 UTC
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Post by Linonut
Post by Mark Kent
Post by Tim Smith
You seem unaware of how language works. Hint: usage determines what is
proper, and 67% of native English speakers are in the US, compared to
17% for the UK.
Timmy's posted his incorrect numbers on this before...
'e's a bl'dy tossah!
aye!
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r***@justlinux.ca
2007-07-24 01:10:20 UTC
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Jim Richardson <***@eskimo.com> trolled:

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Post by Tim Smith
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Any reputable dictionary (one perhaps, that knew how to spell
simple words like colour and flavour), would list "burglarize"
but use the term "americanisation" to show it's not a proper
word.
You seem unaware of how language works. Hint: usage determines
what is proper, and 67% of native English speakers are in the US,
compared to 17% for the UK.
Usage long ago determined who spoke English, and how. Americans
speak various dialects, as do Canadians, Aussies, South Africans,
Scandinavia, and many other countries. But the difference between
the American dialect and all the others is that the Americans got
the spelling wrong in the first place, and weren't man enough to
stand corrected.

cordially, as always,

rm
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2007-07-24 07:06:17 UTC
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Post by r***@justlinux.ca
pgp trash troll delete
"pgp trash troll"?
Are you now claiming that jim richardson, soley because he uses PGP for one
of its intended purposes... Is a troll?

What've you got against PGP? If someone wants their posts signed, what's it
to you?
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2007-07-24 07:37:02 UTC
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pgp trash troll delete
"pgp trash troll"?
Are you now claiming that jim richardson, soley because he uses PGP for one
of its intended purposes... Is a troll?
What've you got against PGP? If someone wants their posts signed, what's it
to you?
He's just trolling, no surprise there.

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waterskidoo
2007-07-22 21:33:40 UTC
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Post by Hadron
I wonder if Apple considered the "mugging factor" into their design. The
mind boggles at your ability to knock a successful device like the
iPhone, purely because it's not Linux based. Sour Grapes.
It sure seems that way. I really don't get it to be honest.
Why can't people just appreciate something that is really nice?
Everything doesn't have to be Linux to be enjoyed and just
because something *is* Linux doesn't mean it *will*
be enjoyed. I would suggest those who don't like the iPhone
on paper, go and actually try one and then decide.
There is nothing remotely close to the iPhone, yet.
This of course will change, just like iPod clones have
appeared. Even still, the iPod is *STILL* number one
and the unit to beat despite the fact other devices *do*
work better and offer better value, iPod is still
the top unit.
To me, that says something about the design.
It goes beyond being the first on the street because
the 2nd and 3rd wave of users are still choosing the iPod
when other alternatives exist.

Just for the record, would *I* buy an iPod?
Maybe, but Sandisk makes far better players at far
more attractive prices. The only real advantage that
iPod has over the others is integration with
car audio systems and the number of available
accessories.
Other than that, the other brands have iPod beat
by a mile IMHO.
William Poaster
2007-07-22 22:15:53 UTC
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Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by AB
Here in the US people have been getting mugged (and seriously hurt)
for their iPods. I expect to see news of this happening with iPhones
pretty soon, too. Nobody wants to bother robbing me for my $30 Nokia,
though.
Same things've been reported here. And I expect the iphone will be the next
mugging fad, too.
The iPhone is about twice the size of a pack of cigarettes. If it's
simply in your pocket you're pretty unlikely to get mugged.
Pickpocketed on the other hand...
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
I've lived 28 years of
my life outside the city of Chicago and have yet to ever be mugged. I
make my buying decisions based on what ***I*** want and desire. I don't
buy things based on my fear of getting mugged for the first time.
Enjoy your sour grapes.
No sour grapes here, I just don't see the point of spending 500 dollars
on something that you carry about and risk losing in one random act of
violence or pickpocketry. And as for your "I keep it in my pocket"...
How do you use it then? The moment you take it out to watch a video
you're advertising the thing to all the thieves in the area.
Or stick an earplug in your ear, a la ipod, & advertise it.

I agree. I don't see the point of spending $500 on something, three
quarters of which I wouldn't use, & which is insecure anyway. (the user
runs applications as root by default)
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2007-07-22 17:32:13 UTC
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by AB
Here in the US people have been getting mugged (and seriously hurt) for
their iPods. I expect to see news of this happening with iPhones pretty
soon, too. Nobody wants to bother robbing me for my $30 Nokia, though.
Same things've been reported here. And I expect the iphone will be the next
mugging fad, too.
The iPhone is about twice the size of a pack of cigarettes. If it's simply
in your pocket you're pretty unlikely to get mugged. I've lived 28 years of
my life outside the city of Chicago and have yet to ever be mugged. I make
my buying decisions based on what ***I*** want and desire. I don't buy
things based on my fear of getting mugged for the first time.
Which is sensible enough, but when you're using it, you *could* be mugged,
it does happen, unfortunately. It's one of the downsides of the consumer
society.
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Enjoy your sour grapes.
Sgt. Slaughter
2007-07-21 16:26:19 UTC
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Post by ray
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model at the Woodfield Mall this week and this
thing is light years ahead of anything else out there.
EVERYBODY who's seen this thing has been totally impressed by how amazing
and slick this thing is. The web browser on this thing absolutely kicks ass
on this phone. My friend described one girl who saw the phone as being
"orgasmic" over it.
It is the coolest and most capable device out there. Apple hit a grand-slam
home run with this puppy. Yes - It is everything you've heard and much more.
--: The Sarge
No offense, but I'm not ready to pay $500 for a cell phone. All I want one
for is to make and receive phone calls. The other stuff I have absolutely
no interest.
No offence taken. But it's more than just a phone. It's also an iPod music
player, video player, it plays games, shows photos, it's a PDA, a web
browser and more. Add up how much it would cost to buy 5 or 6 individual
gadgets and it would be more than the cost of an iPhone. Not to mention
you'll have to carry half a dozen devices with you instead of just one
ultra-beautiful one.

Have you ever SEEN one in person? People who have feel differently.
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Clogwog
2007-07-21 18:55:18 UTC
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by ray
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model at the Woodfield Mall this week and this
thing is light years ahead of anything else out there.
EVERYBODY who's seen this thing has been totally impressed by how amazing
and slick this thing is. The web browser on this thing absolutely kicks ass
on this phone. My friend described one girl who saw the phone as being
"orgasmic" over it.
It is the coolest and most capable device out there. Apple hit a grand-slam
home run with this puppy. Yes - It is everything you've heard and much more.
--: The Sarge
No offense, but I'm not ready to pay $500 for a cell phone. All I want one
for is to make and receive phone calls. The other stuff I have absolutely
no interest.
No offence taken. But it's more than just a phone. It's also an iPod music
player, video player, it plays games, shows photos, it's a PDA, a web
browser and more. Add up how much it would cost to buy 5 or 6 individual
gadgets and it would be more than the cost of an iPhone. Not to mention
you'll have to carry half a dozen devices with you instead of just one
ultra-beautiful one.
Have you ever SEEN one in person? People who have feel differently.
I use a linPhone!
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ray
2007-07-21 19:34:58 UTC
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by ray
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model at the Woodfield Mall this week and this
thing is light years ahead of anything else out there.
EVERYBODY who's seen this thing has been totally impressed by how amazing
and slick this thing is. The web browser on this thing absolutely kicks ass
on this phone. My friend described one girl who saw the phone as being
"orgasmic" over it.
It is the coolest and most capable device out there. Apple hit a grand-slam
home run with this puppy. Yes - It is everything you've heard and much more.
--: The Sarge
No offense, but I'm not ready to pay $500 for a cell phone. All I want one
for is to make and receive phone calls. The other stuff I have absolutely
no interest.
No offence taken. But it's more than just a phone. It's also an iPod music
player, video player, it plays games, shows photos, it's a PDA, a web
browser and more. Add up how much it would cost to buy 5 or 6 individual
gadgets and it would be more than the cost of an iPhone. Not to mention
you'll have to carry half a dozen devices with you instead of just one
ultra-beautiful one.
Have you ever SEEN one in person? People who have feel differently.
Exactly my point. I don't have an mp3 player, and really don't have any
desire for one. Ditto video player. Ditto game system. Ditto PDA. I don't
need a web browser except at home - have a laptop for trips. Have a
digital photo frame which is significantly larger - don't have a need for
a pocket version.

No, I have not seen one.
alt
2007-07-21 21:26:43 UTC
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Post by ray
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model at the Woodfield Mall this week and this
thing is light years ahead of anything else out there.
EVERYBODY who's seen this thing has been totally impressed by how amazing
and slick this thing is. The web browser on this thing absolutely kicks ass
on this phone. My friend described one girl who saw the phone as being
"orgasmic" over it.
It is the coolest and most capable device out there. Apple hit a grand-slam
home run with this puppy. Yes - It is everything you've heard and much more.
--: The Sarge
No offense, but I'm not ready to pay $500 for a cell phone. All I want one
for is to make and receive phone calls. The other stuff I have absolutely
no interest.
I was fortunate in that my carrier was having a sale. The phone normally
sells for like $200, but they were doing it for $10 and because I know the
manager of the store, he was able to waive that. I signed a 3yr that
gives me free incoming calls and unlimited calls to the number of my
choice.

All in all, I pay less per month and get more usage.
The Translucent Amoebae
2007-07-24 22:09:22 UTC
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Post by ray
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model at the Woodfield Mall this week and this
thing is light years ahead of anything else out there.
EVERYBODY who's seen this thing has been totally impressed by how amazing
and slick this thing is. The web browser on this thing absolutely kicks ass
on this phone. My friend described one girl who saw the phone as being
"orgasmic" over it.
It is the coolest and most capable device out there. Apple hit a grand-slam
home run with this puppy. Yes - It is everything you've heard and much more.
--: The Sarge
No offense, but I'm not ready to pay $500 for a cell phone. All I want one
for is to make and receive phone calls. The other stuff I have absolutely
no interest.
i have just the opposite reaction to the iphone, it doesn't do
ENOUGH...!!!
i would like an appliance that replaces money, keeps track of all my
groceries, medical conditions and so on...
Then have a 'cognitive' overseer in it, along with a telepresence that
interacts with me, screening my calls and so on...
Also; it would be interactive with an internet community, ( on it's
own, without my participation ) in such a way so that if a medical
researcher was interested in who is living the longest, and why...???
then it would poll thousands of these applicances, and the telepresent
overseers would share my personal information, without revealing who
is was 'attached' to...??? Then things like doubleblind, medical
trials would become obsolete... all the people, randomly taking every
kind of medication available would serve as the placebo group...!!!
and so on...
The next phone will be one step closer...

ed
2007-07-21 15:35:03 UTC
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:33:29 -0400
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model at the Woodfield Mall this week and
this thing is light years ahead of anything else out there.
EVERYBODY who's seen this thing has been totally impressed by how
amazing and slick this thing is. The web browser on this thing
absolutely kicks ass on this phone. My friend described one girl who
saw the phone as being "orgasmic" over it.
It is the coolest and most capable device out there. Apple hit a
grand-slam home run with this puppy. Yes - It is everything you've
heard and much more.
A phone is just a phone. Good luck making it earn that $500 back for
you.
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2007-07-21 22:15:03 UTC
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Post by ed
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:33:29 -0400
<snip spam crap>
Post by ed
A phone is just a phone. Good luck making it earn that $500 back for
you.
All I want is a phone that I can call people on, & that they can call me
on. Anything else is a waste of time IMO.
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So this would include anything that *he* says!
ed
2007-07-21 22:47:37 UTC
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:15:03 +0100
Post by William Poaster
It was on, or about, Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:35:03 +0000, that as I was
Post by ed
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:33:29 -0400
<snip spam crap>
Post by ed
A phone is just a phone. Good luck making it earn that $500 back for
you.
All I want is a phone that I can call people on, & that they can call
me on. Anything else is a waste of time IMO.
There might be some times where a camera is of practical use, but
taking notes and stuff should be done using pen and paper, memory
experts will tell you that writing things done is a far better
connection to the information than typing it down. As such I see little
point for using a phone for taking notes, mainly because it's easy to
forget that one wrote a note on the phone in the first place.
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Tattoo Vampire
2007-07-21 23:02:10 UTC
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Post by William Poaster
All I want is a phone that I can call people on, & that they can call me
on. Anything else is a waste of time IMO.
Not everyone has needs as simple as yours.

That said, all I do with my phone is receive and make calls... it's a RAZR
(hot 2 years ago, a dinosaur now). :-)
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William Poaster
2007-07-21 23:28:51 UTC
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It was on, or about, Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:02:10 -0400, that as I was
Post by Tattoo Vampire
Post by William Poaster
All I want is a phone that I can call people on, & that they can call
me on. Anything else is a waste of time IMO.
Not everyone has needs as simple as yours.
That said, all I do with my phone is receive and make calls... it's a
RAZR (hot 2 years ago, a dinosaur now). :-)
And what I'm saying is that not everyone wants an all-singing-all-dancing-
technicolor-fax-photocopier-computer-television-radio-radar-transceiver-
startmyfuckingcar-ipod-stereoplaying-booktheatretickets-pourmeadrink
gadget. :-)
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So this would include anything that *he* says!
s***@freenet.co.uk
2007-07-22 08:54:01 UTC
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Post by William Poaster
It was on, or about, Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:02:10 -0400, that as I was
Post by Tattoo Vampire
Post by William Poaster
All I want is a phone that I can call people on, & that they can call
me on. Anything else is a waste of time IMO.
Not everyone has needs as simple as yours.
That said, all I do with my phone is receive and make calls... it's a
RAZR (hot 2 years ago, a dinosaur now). :-)
And what I'm saying is that not everyone wants an all-singing-all-dancing-
technicolor-fax-photocopier-computer-television-radio-radar-transceiver-
startmyfuckingcar-ipod-stereoplaying-booktheatretickets-pourmeadrink
gadget. :-)
You forgot tricorder, replicator and kitchen sink in there.
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Post by William Poaster
It was on, or about, Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:02:10 -0400, that as I was
Post by Tattoo Vampire
Post by William Poaster
All I want is a phone that I can call people on, & that they can call
me on. Anything else is a waste of time IMO.
Not everyone has needs as simple as yours.
That said, all I do with my phone is receive and make calls... it's a
RAZR (hot 2 years ago, a dinosaur now). :-)
And what I'm saying is that not everyone wants an all-singing-all-dancing-
technicolor-fax-photocopier-computer-television-radio-radar-transceiver-
startmyfuckingcar-ipod-stereoplaying-booktheatretickets-pourmeadrink
gadget. :-)
You forgot tricorder, replicator and kitchen sink in there.
hell, if it had that, I'd buy one. :)

Jim, who is waiting for the consumer release of the openmoko hardware.

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William Poaster
2007-07-22 12:18:53 UTC
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Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by William Poaster
It was on, or about, Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:02:10 -0400, that as I was
Post by Tattoo Vampire
Post by William Poaster
All I want is a phone that I can call people on, & that they can call
me on. Anything else is a waste of time IMO.
Not everyone has needs as simple as yours.
That said, all I do with my phone is receive and make calls... it's a
RAZR (hot 2 years ago, a dinosaur now). :-)
And what I'm saying is that not everyone wants an
all-singing-all-dancing-
technicolor-fax-photocopier-computer-television-radio-radar-
transceiver-
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by William Poaster
startmyfuckingcar-ipod-stereoplaying-booktheatretickets-pourmeadrink
gadget. :-)
You forgot tricorder, replicator and kitchen sink in there.
D'oh!
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waterskidoo
2007-07-22 20:32:59 UTC
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Post by William Poaster
And what I'm saying is that not everyone wants an all-singing-all-dancing-
technicolor-fax-photocopier-computer-television-radio-radar-transceiver-
startmyfuckingcar-ipod-stereoplaying-booktheatretickets-pourmeadrink
gadget. :-)
I know what you are saying William and you are correct, not everyone
needs or even wants all of that stuff. Personally, my LG8700 does
far more than I will ever use. I have a Creative Vision mp3 player
and a laptop for all my other email, videos etc.

What you guys are missing as far as the iPhone is concerned is
the UI, conistant between apps UI, and ease of use.
Sure my LG plays mp3's, now try and easily
manage a play list. It's difficult. Most phones are phones first
and all the other gadgetry is an after thought. *THAT* is where the
iPhone has them all beat. IOW you can't just look at features, you
have to actually use the phone to appreciate it. I know, I know
it's a hard sell in this group, but it really is true.
Like I've said before, it's not perfect. Texting on the on-screen
keyboard was designed for miniature finger, but you do get used to
it. Don't trim your nails and it works better <me laughs>.
For all practical purposes, the phone really does work like the
commercial. It really does. The device is brilliant IMHO.
Apple has done it once again and in my book that's a good thing
because if Apple didn't do it, Microsoft would.
Even if they had to buy Apple <me laughs at the thought>!
Of course MS would hose the entire design ala' Zune.
Mark Kent
2007-07-23 13:57:28 UTC
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Post by waterskidoo
Post by William Poaster
And what I'm saying is that not everyone wants an all-singing-all-dancing-
technicolor-fax-photocopier-computer-television-radio-radar-transceiver-
startmyfuckingcar-ipod-stereoplaying-booktheatretickets-pourmeadrink
gadget. :-)
I know what you are saying William and you are correct, not everyone
needs or even wants all of that stuff. Personally, my LG8700 does
far more than I will ever use. I have a Creative Vision mp3 player
and a laptop for all my other email, videos etc.
What you guys are missing as far as the iPhone is concerned is
the UI, conistant between apps UI, and ease of use.
Sure my LG plays mp3's, now try and easily
manage a play list. It's difficult. Most phones are phones first
and all the other gadgetry is an after thought. *THAT* is where the
iPhone has them all beat. IOW you can't just look at features, you
have to actually use the phone to appreciate it. I know, I know
it's a hard sell in this group, but it really is true.
Like I've said before, it's not perfect. Texting on the on-screen
keyboard was designed for miniature finger, but you do get used to
it. Don't trim your nails and it works better <me laughs>.
For all practical purposes, the phone really does work like the
commercial. It really does. The device is brilliant IMHO.
Apple has done it once again and in my book that's a good thing
because if Apple didn't do it, Microsoft would.
Even if they had to buy Apple <me laughs at the thought>!
Of course MS would hose the entire design ala' Zune.
I'm sure that it will be every bit as well designed as Apple's kit
always is. They have almost never produced poor quality goods, however,
the price is astonomical, and the openness is more or less zero.

There are probably more applications available now for the N800 than
there ever will be for the iPhone, and when the openMoko devices begin
to appear, then the world will truly open up in terms of bringing the
computing and GSM worlds together.

So, whilst the iPhone might be very "cool" in an "expensive and
proprietary" way, it's not open, which is the fundamental requirement
for me.

I've just taken delivery of an Excito Bubba server. Amongst other things,
as it runs debian, you can put more or less anything on it, it consumes
around 10Watts, is tiny, and can do upnp streaming to my Nokia N800.

You can argue something like "ah, but people will crack the iPhone and
I'll be able to do all that on it". Well, maybe, and maybe not. You
could end up where we are here with the dual-PPC Mac sat next to me.
It'll run Ubuntu very well, but cannot do OpenGL on its nVidia card,
why? Because the nVidia drivers are binary only. End of story.

Give me the open solution, any day.
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[H]omer
2007-07-22 19:06:37 UTC
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Post by ed
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:33:29 -0400
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
EVERYBODY who's seen this thing has been totally
ZZzzzzz. ZZzz. Zzzzzzzzzz. Zzz.
Post by ed
A phone is just a phone. Good luck making it earn that $500 back for
you.
Don't forget the $1000 per year contract:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/26/how-does-the-iphone-stack-up-in-total-cost/
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Jerry McBride
2007-07-21 17:22:01 UTC
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model at the Woodfield Mall this week and this
thing is light years ahead of anything else out there.
EVERYBODY who's seen this thing has been totally impressed by how amazing
and slick this thing is. The web browser on this thing absolutely kicks
ass on this phone. My friend described one girl who saw the phone as being
"orgasmic" over it.
It is the coolest and most capable device out there. Apple hit a
grand-slam home run with this puppy. Yes - It is everything you've heard
and much more.
--: The Sarge
How's the battery life? And... how much is that service contract again?
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7
2007-07-21 19:57:37 UTC
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J
Dude you are plain out of touch with
superior technology. You need to try
out the Qtopia Linux Greenphone first
before foaming about your crap.
Do you have 60Gb hard disk on your phone
for example like the Qtopia Greenphone?
No? Then it must be inferior technology.
Clogwog
2007-07-22 10:57:57 UTC
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Post by 7
J
Dude you are plain out of touch with
superior technology. You need to try
out the Qtopia Linux Greenphone first
before foaming about your crap.
Do you have 60Gb hard disk on your phone
for example like the Qtopia Greenphone?
No? Then it must be inferior technology.
Ha, Ha!!
BUG 169762
BUG 170452
BUG 170630, 170824, 170825, 170826
Buggy piece of shit! isn't it!
John Locke
2007-07-21 20:14:53 UTC
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:33:29 -0400, "Sgt. Slaughter"
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model at the Woodfield Mall this week and this
thing is light years ahead of anything else out there.
EVERYBODY who's seen this thing has been totally impressed by how amazing
and slick this thing is. The web browser on this thing absolutely kicks ass
on this phone. My friend described one girl who saw the phone as being
"orgasmic" over it.
It is the coolest and most capable device out there. Apple hit a grand-slam
home run with this puppy. Yes - It is everything you've heard and much more.
--: The Sarge
Its not for me. But some people will like it.

I remember back in the early 50's when a device of this nature
was purely science fiction. I'm glad that you have a chance
to enjoy this kind of technology because when I was a kid
there was nothing..except what you could imagine.
Tattoo Vampire
2007-07-21 23:04:00 UTC
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I can send and receive text messages, make and receive phone calls, play
games and voice-dial.

:-P
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ed
2007-07-21 23:47:17 UTC
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:04:00 -0400
Post by Tattoo Vampire
I can send and receive text messages, make and receive phone calls,
play games and voice-dial.
:-P
In some cases it's useful to be able to take photos. I've done OK in
the last 10 years of not needing to take photos, but I can see some
uses. Other features on the phone that I use include the stopwatch
which is useful for cooking etc. The rest is really over kill.
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2007-07-22 21:36:41 UTC
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[snips]
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model
It's a phone; I don't need 8 gigs on a phone; I need a contact list and
the ability to make and receive calls.
William Poaster
2007-07-22 22:09:21 UTC
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It was on, or about, Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:36:41 -0700, that as I was
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model
It's a phone; I don't need 8 gigs on a phone; I need a contact list and
the ability to make and receive calls.
Precisely!
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Hadron
2007-07-22 22:31:52 UTC
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Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model
It's a phone; I don't need 8 gigs on a phone; I need a contact list and
the ability to make and receive calls.
No one cares what you want. You wouldn't buy one anyway. But Millions
do. They buy these things and use them. Why do you feel the need to
knock these things because you think YOU have no use for them? Clearly a
lot of people do. More people will be using iPhones in a year than will
have Linux on their desktops. Sad but true. If people like you were to
spend more time advocating Linux as opposed to talking crap about HW you
dont aspire to, want or can afford then maybe this wouldn't be the case.
ray
2007-07-23 01:30:05 UTC
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Post by Hadron
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
[snips]
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model
It's a phone; I don't need 8 gigs on a phone; I need a contact list and
the ability to make and receive calls.
No one cares what you want. You wouldn't buy one anyway. But Millions
do. They buy these things and use them. Why do you feel the need to
knock these things because you think YOU have no use for them? Clearly a
lot of people do. More people will be using iPhones in a year than will
have Linux on their desktops. Sad but true. If people like you were to
spend more time advocating Linux as opposed to talking crap about HW you
dont aspire to, want or can afford then maybe this wouldn't be the case.
Of course, it is also true that millions are basically in financial
difficulty with heavy finance charges imposed on credit cards they cannot
pay off. Could there be a correlation?
Hadron
2007-07-23 06:30:35 UTC
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Post by ray
Post by Hadron
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
[snips]
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model
It's a phone; I don't need 8 gigs on a phone; I need a contact list and
the ability to make and receive calls.
No one cares what you want. You wouldn't buy one anyway. But Millions
do. They buy these things and use them. Why do you feel the need to
knock these things because you think YOU have no use for them? Clearly a
lot of people do. More people will be using iPhones in a year than will
have Linux on their desktops. Sad but true. If people like you were to
spend more time advocating Linux as opposed to talking crap about HW you
dont aspire to, want or can afford then maybe this wouldn't be the case.
Of course, it is also true that millions are basically in financial
difficulty with heavy finance charges imposed on credit cards they cannot
pay off. Could there be a correlation?
Possibly, but since I have no idea what you are talking about I'm not
sure. Are you suggesting there is a link between mature adults wanting,
needing, buying and using a luxury device like the iPhone and credit
card debt? Almost certainly I would say. But fortunately it's a "free"
world and individuals are held responsible for their own actions.
s***@freenet.co.uk
2007-07-23 08:20:00 UTC
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Post by Hadron
Possibly, but since I have no idea what you are talking about I'm not
sure. Are you suggesting there is a link between mature adults wanting,
needing, buying and using a luxury device like the iPhone and credit
card debt?
Yes.
For one thing, a lot of people today can't tell the difference between a
"want" and a "need". They grew up with their parents never saying no and now
they can't say "no" to themselves, so then end up in massive debt.

Bring back debtor's prison, that's what I say. That'll teach em.

Oh, and no one NEEDS luxury items. Those are WANTS.
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waterskidoo
2007-07-22 23:03:53 UTC
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Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model
It's a phone; I don't need 8 gigs on a phone; I need a contact list and
the ability to make and receive calls.
Me too, but we are not everyone.
Evidently a good number of people like an all in one device.
For those that do, the iPhone sets the benchmark, at least
for the moment.
Sgt. Slaughter
2007-07-23 00:34:08 UTC
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Post by waterskidoo
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
[snips]
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Just picked up the 8-gig model
It's a phone; I don't need 8 gigs on a phone; I need a contact list and
the ability to make and receive calls.
Me too, but we are not everyone.
Evidently a good number of people like an all in one device.
For those that do, the iPhone sets the benchmark, at least
for the moment.
Excellent points. Look at it this way - What are the MOST POPULAR telephones
out on the market right now? Answer: iPhone, Blackberry and the Treo. Each
one is a multi-purpose multi-function device. This is clearly what consumers
want and is the direction that these devices are headed in.

Because some simpletons here claim that all they want is a cheapo $15 phone
means nothing. These people clearly are not a valid representation of the
buying public and it shows just how much out of touch they are.
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2007-07-23 08:20:00 UTC
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Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by waterskidoo
Me too, but we are not everyone.
Evidently a good number of people like an all in one device.
For those that do, the iPhone sets the benchmark, at least
for the moment.
Excellent points. Look at it this way - What are the MOST POPULAR telephones
out on the market right now? Answer: iPhone, Blackberry and the Treo. Each
one is a multi-purpose multi-function device. This is clearly what consumers
want and is the direction that these devices are headed in.
Because some simpletons here claim that all they want is a cheapo $15 phone
means nothing. These people clearly are not a valid representation of the
buying public and it shows just how much out of touch they are.
I think you totally MISSED his point completely.
Otherwise you wouldn't call people simpletons just because THEY don't see
any value in the iphone. YOU are not everyone anymore than WE are.

WE weren't slagging off people who use it, we were just questioning the need
for it in the first place and pointing out the downsides in getting one. You
seem to spend all your time insulting the people who disagree with you....

Now... who's the troll again?
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William Poaster
2007-07-23 09:24:10 UTC
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It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:20:00 +0000, that as I was
Post by Sgt. Slaughter
Post by waterskidoo
Me too, but we are not everyone.
Evidently a good number of people like an all in one device. For those
that do, the iPhone sets the benchmark, at least for the moment.
Excellent points. Look at it this way - What are the MOST POPULAR
telephones out on the market right now? Answer: iPhone, Blackberry and
the Treo. Each one is a multi-purpose multi-function device. This is
clearly what consumers want and is the direction that these devices are
headed in.
Because some simpletons here claim that all they want is a cheapo $15
phone means nothing. These people clearly are not a valid
representation of the buying public and it shows just how much out of
touch they are.
I think you totally MISSED his point completely. Otherwise you wouldn't
call people simpletons just because THEY don't see any value in the
iphone. YOU are not everyone anymore than WE are.
This lady isn't having one!
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/14081
WE weren't slagging off people who use it, we were just questioning the
need for it in the first place and pointing out the downsides in getting
one. You seem to spend all your time insulting the people who disagree
with you....
More downsides:
Runs on the slower EDGE network, not 3G which my "$15" cell phone runs on.
Insecure, the user runs as 'root' (with a wi-fi too? Sheesh)
2 year lock-in.
Now... who's the troll again?
The iphone spammer.
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Thufir
2007-07-23 03:23:56 UTC
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Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
It's a phone; I don't need 8 gigs on a phone; I need a contact list and
the ability to make and receive calls.
the pet peeve I have with my phone is that it doesn't sync with the
computer. I looked into purchasing some sort of special cable, special
software, blah, blah, blah. Admittedly, it's a rather old phone.

Even if it were a new phone, it's doubtful that it would sync with linux.

I'm mystified by the phone/camera combination. Why? The phone/radio/mp3
player are at least using speakers, so makes some sense.


-Thufir
waterskidoo
2007-07-23 03:34:20 UTC
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Post by Thufir
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
It's a phone; I don't need 8 gigs on a phone; I need a contact list and
the ability to make and receive calls.
the pet peeve I have with my phone is that it doesn't sync with the
computer. I looked into purchasing some sort of special cable, special
software, blah, blah, blah. Admittedly, it's a rather old phone.
Even if it were a new phone, it's doubtful that it would sync with linux.
I'm mystified by the phone/camera combination. Why? The phone/radio/mp3
player are at least using speakers, so makes some sense.
-Thufir
Get a phone that uses a memory card and you can load/offload anything
you wish without special cables, software etc.
Mark Kent
2007-07-23 14:40:38 UTC
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Post by waterskidoo
Post by Thufir
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
It's a phone; I don't need 8 gigs on a phone; I need a contact list and
the ability to make and receive calls.
the pet peeve I have with my phone is that it doesn't sync with the
computer. I looked into purchasing some sort of special cable, special
software, blah, blah, blah. Admittedly, it's a rather old phone.
Even if it were a new phone, it's doubtful that it would sync with linux.
I'm mystified by the phone/camera combination. Why? The phone/radio/mp3
player are at least using speakers, so makes some sense.
-Thufir
Get a phone that uses a memory card and you can load/offload anything
you wish without special cables, software etc.
Diary synchronisation is more of an issue, though, particularly if you
work in an environment where a large amount of meeting and audio invites
come through electronically.

The best phone I've ever had was a Nokia 6630, which unfortunately ended
up in a puddle of water in the end, but it was a good phone. The radio
performance was good, audio quality was good, it had a camera so good
that I could take pictures of whiteboard drawings and email them to
people after the meetings. It could take videos, but with fairly poor
quality. It could play mp3s and oggs, which was quite useful. I had an
application called "metro" on it which had public transport maps for
most of the world's cities - for someone like me who travels a lot, it
was useful. I had google maps on it, again, useful for those of us who
travel a lot - directions to your hotel, to a restaurant or a site or
something.

It was useful having tasks, and notes, and diary entries synchronised
automatically.

It worked well with the Nokia 770 to provide GPRS or UMTS or EDGE data
links to connect to the internet so I could get my mail on the move, or
surf as required. It had a good bluetooth data link so that I could get
live traffic information to my TomTom Go700 satnav, which is really
useful, as it will re-route me around problems without me having to
worry about them when I'm driving.

I could play mp3s or oggs or whatever on it, which can be useful in some
situations.

On the down-side, the screen wasn't all that big, so the opera version
didn't give a lot of space for rendering websites on the machine, and
the screen wasn't touch-sensitive.

On the plus side, you could bluetooth the same keyboard as works with
the N770 and N800 to send SMS messages to/fro people, which if you have
a TomTom Go700 or later, will be read back to you in audio as you drive
when they come in.

The GO700 worked as a hands-free for it, so I could listen in to audios
and take calls whilst driving reasonably safely.

I'm back down to my older 3360, which is a nice enough phone, but not a
patch on the 6630.

I haven't the slightest desire to have an iPhone.
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waterskidoo
2007-07-23 16:11:12 UTC
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Post by Mark Kent
Diary synchronisation is more of an issue, though, particularly if you
work in an environment where a large amount of meeting and audio invites
come through electronically.
Ok I can see that.
A memory card would be a PITA in that situatation.
Post by Mark Kent
The best phone I've ever had was a Nokia 6630, which unfortunately ended
up in a puddle of water in the end, but it was a good phone. The radio
performance was good, audio quality was good, it had a camera so good
that I could take pictures of whiteboard drawings and email them to
people after the meetings. It could take videos, but with fairly poor
quality. It could play mp3s and oggs, which was quite useful. I had an
application called "metro" on it which had public transport maps for
most of the world's cities - for someone like me who travels a lot, it
was useful. I had google maps on it, again, useful for those of us who
travel a lot - directions to your hotel, to a restaurant or a site or
something.
Nokia has always made very nice phones.
They are somewhat under rated here in the states though.
Post by Mark Kent
I haven't the slightest desire to have an iPhone.
Neither do I.
Mark Kent
2007-07-23 16:41:33 UTC
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Post by waterskidoo
Post by Mark Kent
Diary synchronisation is more of an issue, though, particularly if you
work in an environment where a large amount of meeting and audio invites
come through electronically.
Ok I can see that.
A memory card would be a PITA in that situatation.
Post by Mark Kent
The best phone I've ever had was a Nokia 6630, which unfortunately ended
up in a puddle of water in the end, but it was a good phone. The radio
performance was good, audio quality was good, it had a camera so good
that I could take pictures of whiteboard drawings and email them to
people after the meetings. It could take videos, but with fairly poor
quality. It could play mp3s and oggs, which was quite useful. I had an
application called "metro" on it which had public transport maps for
most of the world's cities - for someone like me who travels a lot, it
was useful. I had google maps on it, again, useful for those of us who
travel a lot - directions to your hotel, to a restaurant or a site or
something.
Nokia has always made very nice phones.
They are somewhat under rated here in the states though.
The early Ericsson ones had very good radio performance, too, although
they'd be considered to be a 'brick' by the youth today.

The 6630, above, ran a later version of symbian, so had well tried &
testing synchronisation software.
Post by waterskidoo
Post by Mark Kent
I haven't the slightest desire to have an iPhone.
Neither do I.
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Hadron
2007-07-23 06:33:26 UTC
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Post by Thufir
Post by Kelsey Bjarnason
It's a phone; I don't need 8 gigs on a phone; I need a contact list and
the ability to make and receive calls.
the pet peeve I have with my phone is that it doesn't sync with the
computer. I looked into purchasing some sort of special cable, special
software, blah, blah, blah. Admittedly, it's a rather old phone.
Even if it were a new phone, it's doubtful that it would sync with linux.
I'm mystified by the phone/camera combination. Why? The phone/radio/mp3
player are at least using speakers, so makes some sense.
-Thufir
Linux advocates should hardly ever talk about modern HW, graphics or
gaming. We already understand that you dont think there is anything
innovative in the iPhone design - despite people in the industry
praising it to the heavens.

Why on earth are you "mystified" at the phone/camera combo?

Ah yes. You have no idea how to sync your phone with your computer.

Here's a hint : Aunty Doris has been doing it for years on Macs and
Windows. I do it on Ubuntu too. For photos that is.
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