I Deleted Nemo :-)

Post by Physfitfreak
I deleted Nemo and could not get a boot to cinnamon desktop.
What the fuck?
What does fart have to do with the left temple?... Linux is indeed
immature, Mr. Flud :)

Probably because it relys on nemo-desktop for the icon set.

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Joel

2024-11-13 00:11:08 UTC

Post by Physfitfreak
I deleted Nemo and could not get a boot to cinnamon desktop.
What the fuck?
What does fart have to do with the left temple?... Linux is indeed
immature, Mr. Flud :)

Probably because it relys on nemo-desktop for the icon set.

He must have an Apple SSD, they're still selling brand new machines
with 256 GB. He needed to reclaim that space. ;)

Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/nvme0n1p2 958802032 199874016 710149828 22% /

I won't be deleting anything, unless I simply have zero conceivable
use for it. Space is endless.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

candycanearter07

2024-11-13 05:40:06 UTC

Post by Physfitfreak
I deleted Nemo and could not get a boot to cinnamon desktop.
What the fuck?
What does fart have to do with the left temple?... Linux is indeed
immature, Mr. Flud :)

Probably because it relys on nemo-desktop for the icon set.

Not bad.

--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

Joel

2024-11-13 07:21:36 UTC

Post by Physfitfreak
I deleted Nemo and could not get a boot to cinnamon desktop.
What the fuck?
What does fart have to do with the left temple?... Linux is indeed
immature, Mr. Flud :)

Probably because it relys on nemo-desktop for the icon set.

Not bad.

With Apple, you have two basic choices: pay too much for a machine
with 256 GB, or pay *FAR AND AWAY* too much for a machine with
anything like a modern quantity, of storage. What a piece of shit.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

candycanearter07

2024-11-13 14:30:04 UTC

Post by Physfitfreak
I deleted Nemo and could not get a boot to cinnamon desktop.
What the fuck?
What does fart have to do with the left temple?... Linux is indeed
immature, Mr. Flud :)

Probably because it relys on nemo-desktop for the icon set.

Not bad.

With Apple, you have two basic choices: pay too much for a machine
with 256 GB, or pay *FAR AND AWAY* too much for a machine with
anything like a modern quantity, of storage. What a piece of shit.

Yeah, I'm just saying its nice that they can get it. The pricing model
is still very frustrating.

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Joel

2024-11-13 14:40:09 UTC

Post by Joel
With Apple, you have two basic choices: pay too much for a machine
with 256 GB, or pay *FAR AND AWAY* too much for a machine with
anything like a modern quantity, of storage. What a piece of shit.

Yeah, I'm just saying its nice that they can get it. The pricing model
is still very frustrating.

It's true that if money is no object, and one likes goofball crapware,
Apple makes sense. To sane people, neither of those conditions would
be true.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Chris Ahlstrom

2024-11-13 16:33:15 UTC

Post by candycanearter07
Yeah, I'm just saying its nice that they can get it. The pricing model
is still very frustrating.

Nice X-Face!

--
Will stain.

Joel

2024-11-13 16:41:01 UTC

Post by candycanearter07
Yeah, I'm just saying its nice that they can get it. The pricing model
is still very frustrating.

Nice X-Face!

Agreed, his is better than yours! :P (I'm just trying to support the
younger generation, particularly in this dark corner of Usenet,
candycanearter07 is of special value to the group.)
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Chris Ahlstrom

2024-11-13 17:28:59 UTC

Post by candycanearter07
Yeah, I'm just saying its nice that they can get it. The pricing model
is still very frustrating.

Nice X-Face!

Agreed, his is better than yours! :P

Oh, I'm even uglier now!!! :-D

Post by Joel
(I'm just trying to support the
younger generation, particularly in this dark corner of Usenet,
candycanearter07 is of special value to the group.)

--
Lighten up, while you still can, Don't even try to understand,
Just find a place to make your stand, And take it easy.
-- The Eagles, "Take It Easy"

candycanearter07

2024-11-13 19:00:03 UTC

Post by candycanearter07
Yeah, I'm just saying its nice that they can get it. The pricing model
is still very frustrating.

Nice X-Face!

Thanks, I drew it myself :D

--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

2024-11-13 19:07:31 UTC

Post by candycanearter07
Yeah, I'm just saying its nice that they can get it. The pricing model
is still very frustrating.

Nice X-Face!

Thanks, I drew it myself :D

we learned how to do x faces in grade 4 too

candycanearter07

2024-11-13 19:30:03 UTC

Post by %

Post by candycanearter07
Yeah, I'm just saying its nice that they can get it. The pricing model
is still very frustrating.

Nice X-Face!

Thanks, I drew it myself :D

we learned how to do x faces in grade 4 too

Hey, that's pretty cool!

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user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

2024-11-13 19:34:21 UTC

Post by %

Post by candycanearter07
Yeah, I'm just saying its nice that they can get it. The pricing model
is still very frustrating.

Nice X-Face!

Thanks, I drew it myself :D

we learned how to do x faces in grade 4 too

Hey, that's pretty cool!

ja think

Lawrence D'Oliveiro

2024-11-13 22:39:43 UTC

[Apple’s] pricing model is still very frustrating.

I don’t see why. Nobody is forcing you to buy their products.

RonB

2024-11-14 07:31:27 UTC

[Apple’s] pricing model is still very frustrating.

I don’t see why. Nobody is forcing you to buy their products.

Which completely misses the point. It's obviously frustrating to
candycanearter07 because he would like to buy a Mac with a reasonable
amount of RAM at a reasonable price. Or at least have the option to add more
RAM at a later date.

Greed short circuits the brain.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

-hh

2024-11-14 15:21:42 UTC

Post by RonB

[Apple’s] pricing model is still very frustrating.

I don’t see why. Nobody is forcing you to buy their products.

Sure, but architecture design decisions change with the times. RAM
modularity was the choice ~50 years when RAM was relatively expensive.

Today, Apple's M- architecture employs a unified memory configuration.
The tight integration significantly improves performance, but the
trade-off is that it isn't "old school" modular anymore. I guess that
if you really wanted a RAM upgrade, you could swap out the whole CPU
package.

Post by RonB
Greed short circuits the brain.

There are some pricing decisions that Apple chooses which appear out of
line with the PC market (this now makes three people complaining about
Apple's high costs in just this thread), but there's also higher
performance with them, so the performance benefits of their design
decisions are contextually relevant and need to be acknowledged too.

-hh

Lawrence D'Oliveiro

2024-11-15 00:00:17 UTC

Post by -hh
Today, Apple's M- architecture employs a unified memory configuration.
The tight integration significantly improves performance, but the
trade-off is that it isn't "old school" modular anymore. I guess that
if you really wanted a RAM upgrade, you could swap out the whole CPU
package.

Which is why it’s an evolutionary dead-end. A friend suggested to me,
around the time of the M1 chips, that the rest of the PC industry was
going to follow Apple’s lead, but Intel has already admitted it was a
mistake doing so, and is going back to modular memory.

-hh

2024-11-15 01:19:29 UTC

It really depends on system level trades, and lifecycle contexts.

For example, the need for supporting incremental upgrades after
deployment depends on the expected lifespan for which there will be
software updates that could outgrow the original hardware, so when
there's not much change in software across its useful lifespan, then
there's not much need to support hardware changes (eg, upgrade RAM).

At that point, other value metrics such as lower manufacturing costs,
higher reliability, etc, can prioritize solutions with lower parts
counts and fewer discrete points of failure. Adding a modular connector
for RAM is an increase in parts count and decreases reliability.

-hh

Lawrence D'Oliveiro

2024-11-15 01:46:48 UTC

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Which is why it’s an evolutionary dead-end.

It really depends on system level trades, and lifecycle contexts.

Even as we have moved to multi-CPU machines, the amount of RAM per CPU
continues to go up over time. This is why tying yourself to a fixed amount
is going to limit the life of your machine, no question about that.

-hh

2024-11-15 13:36:19 UTC

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Which is why it’s an evolutionary dead-end.

It really depends on system level trades, and lifecycle contexts.

That there's an upward trend isn't what matters: what matters is the
change over the product's design lifespan.

Because when resource demand growth doesn't exceed original resources by
end of life, a capability to upgrade during its life isn't needed. This
is why there's no complaints about ROM BIOS capacity.

For RAM, consider first a PC's lifespan. For corporate interests, the
tax write-off is 5 years, so that's their replacement schedule. For
home users, call it 7-10 years.

So sure, RAM demand has grown, but slowly: a decade ago, a new PC was
4GB & high end 12-60GB; today, its 8GB (to 16GB); high end 32-64GB.

Corporate will have scheduled to replace that PC at least once, coming
up on a second time. This is why corporate IT typically doesn't bother
to upgrade workers' PC (today, also a laptop) but to just replace it.

Home PCs are similar, especially with the trend to laptops: most folks
never crack open to make any hardware upgrades.

And high end systems have been capable of 1TB+ RAM for several years now
... but how many people do you personally know who have even just 128GB
installed on their home PC, let alone more? Its a niche use case.

-hh

Lawrence D'Oliveiro

2024-11-15 21:50:32 UTC

Post by -hh
That there's an upward trend isn't what matters: what matters is the
change over the product's design lifespan.

How much of the upward trend the product can cover will limit its
lifespan.

-hh

2024-11-16 11:31:26 UTC

Post by -hh
That there's an upward trend isn't what matters: what matters is the
change over the product's design lifespan.

How much of the upward trend the product can cover will limit its
lifespan.

Of course. So then, what is that trend?

As I've already said, my observation is that its ~4GB/decade or less.

Mainstream users often replace their PCs more frequently, so the
practice of "upgrade at replacement" has replaced component upgrades.

For example:

Notebook:
2017-present: Started with 8GB, hasn't changed.
(FYI: likely to replace this machine in 2025).

Power desktop:
2012-2022: Started with 24GB, never changed.
2022-present: 32GB

Post your own hardware history for the past decade.

-hh

vallor

2024-11-17 06:38:18 UTC

Post by -hh
That there's an upward trend isn't what matters: what matters is the
change over the product's design lifespan.

How much of the upward trend the product can cover will limit its
lifespan.

Of course. So then, what is that trend?
As I've already said, my observation is that its ~4GB/decade or less.
Mainstream users often replace their PCs more frequently, so the
practice of "upgrade at replacement" has replaced component upgrades.
2017-present: Started with 8GB, hasn't changed.
(FYI: likely to replace this machine in 2025).
2012-2022: Started with 24GB, never changed.
2022-present: 32GB
Post your own hardware history for the past decade.
-hh

"The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'."

I believe I've had two machines this past decade. The
old one I'd built, had 64GB iirc. Current one has 258G.

$ lsmem
RANGE SIZE STATE REMOVABLE BLOCK
0x0000000000000000-0x000000407fffffff 258G online yes 0-128

Memory block size: 2G
Total online memory: 258G
Total offline memory: 0B

RAM is cheap and handy to have around. By default, Linux
Mint splits the RAM in two, half of it ramdisk for various shared
memory operations. It's owned by root, but world-writable with
the sticky-bit set. So one can:

_[/dev/shm]_(***@lm)🐧_
$ time -p tar -xf ~/OS/linux-6.11.8.tar.xz
real 8.45
user 8.16
sys 4.02
_[/dev/shm]_(***@lm)🐧_
$ ls -ld linux-6.11.8
drwxrwxr-x 26 vallor vallor 820 Nov 14 04:21 linux-6.11.8

...so you're most of the way to building Linux on your hotrod.

_[/dev/shm]_(***@lm)🐧_
$ df -h .
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
tmpfs 126G 2.5G 124G 2% /dev/shm

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.11.8 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"There's my way, and then there's the easy way."

-hh

2024-11-17 19:14:16 UTC

Post by vallor

Post by -hh
That there's an upward trend isn't what matters: what matters is
the change over the product's design lifespan.

How much of the upward trend the product can cover will limit its
lifespan.

Of course. So then, what is that trend?
As I've already said, my observation is that its ~4GB/decade or less.
Mainstream users often replace their PCs more frequently, so the
practice of "upgrade at replacement" has replaced component upgrades.
2017-present: Started with 8GB, hasn't changed.
(FYI: likely to replace this machine in 2025).
2012-2022: Started with 24GB, never changed.
2022-present: 32GB
Post your own hardware history for the past decade.

"The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'."

Precisely. That's why I was speaking in generalities and then

Post by vallor
I believe I've had two machines this past decade. The
old one I'd built, had 64GB iirc. Current one has 258G.

And how many normal people do you know who's home PCs are similarly so
equipped? Particularly non-geeks/gamers who do fine in the 4-8GB range?

Post by vallor
RAM is cheap and handy to have around.

RAM has gotten cheaper (& rarely hurts), but when there's COLA boys who
are loathe to spend more than $50 for an entire machine, they're not
about to drop $1200 for one 128GB stick of DDR5, let alone two.

<https://www.crucial.com/memory/server-ddr5/MTC40F2047S1RC56BR>

Post by vallor
By default, Linux
Mint splits the RAM in two, half of it ramdisk for various shared
memory operations. It's owned by root, but world-writable with
the sticky-bit set...
[stuff]
...so you're most of the way to building Linux on your hotrod.

Yes, RAMdisks have been a thing .. for decades. Initially, manually
invoked by the user, later as cache automatically managed by the OS.

Apple's OS X has had automatic management for a decade+; one would watch
one's system's swap rate to see if you're significantly enough
memory-constrained or not to bother to do anything about it. Case in
point, my system's uptime is 30+ days and total swap used so far is
still <10GB.

-hh

chrisv

2024-11-17 23:04:24 UTC

Post by vallor
I believe I've had two machines this past decade. The
old one I'd built, had 64GB iirc. Current one has 258G.

And how many normal people do you know who's home PCs are similarly so
equipped? Particularly non-geeks/gamers who do fine in the 4-8GB range?

Well, 4GB was getting weak ten years ago. My last decade has been
dominated by my Ivy Bridge machine, which had 8GB and did just fine,
really, and my Skylake machine, which still gets used and has 16GB.
My Alder Lake machine has 32GB.

Post by vallor
RAM is cheap and handy to have around.

RAM has gotten cheaper (& rarely hurts), but when there's COLA boys who
are loathe to spend more than $50 for an entire machine,

Yeah? And some, like vallor, are not.

Again, asshole, you pretend that Linux users are any different than
are people at large. It's true that some are cheap. But some are
extravagant. The vast majority are reasonable and somewhere
in-between cheap and extravagant.

pothead

2024-11-18 23:39:52 UTC

Post by vallor
I believe I've had two machines this past decade. The
old one I'd built, had 64GB iirc. Current one has 258G.

And how many normal people do you know who's home PCs are similarly so
equipped? Particularly non-geeks/gamers who do fine in the 4-8GB range?

Post by vallor
RAM is cheap and handy to have around.

RAM has gotten cheaper (& rarely hurts), but when there's COLA boys who
are loathe to spend more than $50 for an entire machine,

Yeah? And some, like vallor, are not.
Again, asshole, you pretend that Linux users are any different than
are people at large. It's true that some are cheap. But some are
extravagant. The vast majority are reasonable and somewhere
in-between cheap and extravagant.

In the corporate world, the tech refresh cycle fo equipment and that includes everything
from mainframe iron to x86 PCs both desktop and server revolves around how the the
iron was sold in the first place which is usually 1 year of warranty and 2-4 years of maintenance
coverage by the vendor.

So in general happens as the contracts are expiring, the client is offered a deal on the
latest and greatest by the marketing divisions of said companies be it Dell, IBM, HP or whomever.

Bottom line it's cheaper to tech refresh and get the latest rather than renewing contracts on older
hardware.

Tinse and repeat every 3-4 years or so.

--
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Joel

2024-11-19 00:02:47 UTC

Post by pothead
In the corporate world, the tech refresh cycle fo equipment and that includes everything
from mainframe iron to x86 PCs both desktop and server revolves around how the the
iron was sold in the first place which is usually 1 year of warranty and 2-4 years of maintenance
coverage by the vendor.
So in general happens as the contracts are expiring, the client is offered a deal on the
latest and greatest by the marketing divisions of said companies be it Dell, IBM, HP or whomever.
Bottom line it's cheaper to tech refresh and get the latest rather than renewing contracts on older
hardware.
Tinse and repeat every 3-4 years or so.

This is a hair distinct, but I just ordered a new UPS, same model I
had for the better part of four years from APC, I didn't even use the
new USB cable, just plugged the one already hooked up into the new
one, sometimes it's just time to go ahead and buy new. The fault I
saw last night was clearly not just needing a new battery, but that
the unit was failing. Same shit different date, as they say, I've
been using these devices for 20+ years.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

-hh

2024-11-19 21:21:20 UTC

Post by vallor
I believe I've had two machines this past decade. The
old one I'd built, had 64GB iirc. Current one has 258G.

And how many normal people do you know who's home PCs are similarly so
equipped? Particularly non-geeks/gamers who do fine in the 4-8GB range?

I've had no problem with 4GB workplace productivity PCs even up through
Win10, for just the likes of MS-Office, Teams, Outlook, Acrobat, etc.

Post by vallor
RAM is cheap and handy to have around.

RAM has gotten cheaper (& rarely hurts), but when there's COLA boys who
are loathe to spend more than $50 for an entire machine,

Yeah? And some, like vallor, are not.

Sure, there's exceptions such as Scott. But the exception doesn't
change the rule of thumb.

Post by chrisv
Again, asshole, you pretend that Linux users are any different than
are people at large.

Looking at COLA, one can't actually believe that claim.

Post by chrisv
It's true that some are cheap. But some are
extravagant.

So besides Scott, just who might be these "extravagant" ones be?

Post by chrisv
The vast majority are reasonable and somewhere
in-between cheap and extravagant.

In the corporate world, the tech refresh cycle fo equipment and that includes everything
from mainframe iron to x86 PCs both desktop and server revolves around how the the
iron was sold in the first place which is usually 1 year of warranty and 2-4 years of maintenance
coverage by the vendor.
So in general happens as the contracts are expiring, the client is offered a deal on the
latest and greatest by the marketing divisions of said companies be it Dell, IBM, HP or whomever.
Bottom line it's cheaper to tech refresh and get the latest rather than renewing contracts
on older hardware.

Precisely. The era of Enterprise doing in-house upgrades died a long
time ago, even before the migration to notebooks.

Post by pothead
[R]inse and repeat every 3-4 years or so.

A five year cycle works for business tax write-off purposes too.

One can stretch it too, with a "let sleeping dogs lie" policy : let the
out-of-warranty PC say in use until it breaks and the employee puts in a
service service request, at which point you deploy a new PC to them.

-hh

Lawrence D'Oliveiro

2024-11-19 22:02:56 UTC

Post by -hh
A five year cycle works for business tax write-off purposes too.

People say “tax write-off” as if you deduct expenses against tax. You
don’t: you deduct them against taxable income.

-hh

2024-11-20 00:55:15 UTC

Post by -hh
A five year cycle works for business tax write-off purposes too.

People say “tax write-off” as if you deduct expenses against tax.
You don’t: you deduct them against taxable income.

Agreed; its a lazy shorthand, like saying Unix instead of UNIX(tm) <g>

-hh

Lawrence D'Oliveiro

2024-11-20 01:23:55 UTC

Post by -hh
A five year cycle works for business tax write-off purposes too.

People say “tax write-off” as if you deduct expenses against tax.
You don’t: you deduct them against taxable income.

Agreed; its a lazy shorthand ...

Worse than that, a misleading one. It might lead some naïve PHBs into
thinking that throwing away money on expenses comes at zero cost.

-hh

2024-11-20 12:51:34 UTC

Post by -hh
A five year cycle works for business tax write-off purposes too.

People say “tax write-off” as if you deduct expenses against tax.
You don’t: you deduct them against taxable income.

Agreed; its a lazy shorthand ...

Worse than that, a misleading one. It might lead some naïve PHBs into
thinking that throwing away money on expenses comes at zero cost.

Sure, but many will realize how easy it is to commit easy tax fraud by
using this 'business expense' to buy a new laptop for their kid.

-hh

chrisv

2024-11-20 12:36:09 UTC

Post by chrisv
Yeah? And some, like vallor, are not.

Sure, there's exceptions such as Scott. But the exception doesn't
change the rule of thumb.

It's a rule of lying asshole, at best.

The -highhorse asshole has also claimed that "the open source nature
of Linux tends to attract the type of persona who somehow believes
that all avenues are one-way streets set up to benefit him (and only
him) as the true & deserving holy center of the universe."

And that's just one of countless similar assholish, lying attacks from
-highhorse, as all long-time readers of this forum should know.

Post by chrisv
Again, asshole, you pretend that Linux users are any different than
are people at large.

Looking at COLA, one can't actually believe that claim.

Looking at a liar like -highghorse, one can't believe anything that he
claims.

-hh

2024-11-20 16:37:11 UTC

Post by chrisv
Yeah? And some, like vallor, are not.

Sure, there's exceptions such as Scott. But the exception doesn't
change the rule of thumb.

It's a rule of lying asshole, at best.

And chrisv makes another confession about himself..

Post by chrisv
Looking at a liar like -highghorse, one can't believe anything that he
claims.

Merely YA lame attack to desperately try to avoid the question posed:

"So besides Scott, just who might be these "extravagant" ones be?"

With Scott presumably #1 at 258GB RAM, what poster is #2 biggest RAM?
Your 32GB? Maybe. But that's the 'high end' of my prior comment:

"So sure, RAM demand has grown, but slowly: a decade ago, a new PC was
4GB & high end 12-60GB; today, its 8GB (to 16GB); high end 32-64GB."

So who in COLA own PCs exceeding 64GB to meet your 'extravagant' claim?
Or is this merely YA one of your unsubstantiated delusional fantasies?

-hh

--
"(snipped, unread)" inbound! <g>

chrisv

2024-11-20 20:56:59 UTC

Post by -hh
(snipped, unread)

So besides RonB, just who might be these "cheap" ones be?

You sure get off on attacking people, -highhorse. What's your
problem? How long have you known that you are inferior?

Such an asshole.

--
"I've used Linux for awhile; it failed to be compelling so I moved on.
This really pisses off the COLA boys because their "..but if you were
to just TRY it.." argument has been applied and they still failed." -
lying asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly

-hh

2024-11-20 23:52:28 UTC

Post by -hh
(snipped, unread)

Called that!

Post by chrisv
So besides RonB, just who might be these "cheap" ones be?

I didn't ask you about cheapskates: I asked who was in your own choice
of words the "extravagant" spenders.

So far there's one, with 528GB RAM...

...but who's #2? You, at just 32GB?

Is there really no one else in all of COLA?

Post by chrisv
You sure get off on attacking people, -highhorse. What's your
problem? How long have you known that you are inferior?

I don't attack reasonable people: I note when a highly implausible
claim gets made, for which I ask for them to substantiate.
Of course, assholes whine when they get caught in their lie.

Post by chrisv
Such an asshole.

That's an appropriate .sig for you, chrisv.

-hh

chrisv

2024-11-21 01:17:59 UTC

Post by -hh
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So besides RonB, just who might be these "cheap" ones be?
You sure get off on attacking people, -highhorse. What's your
problem? How long have you known that you are inferior?
Such an asshole.

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In the cola advocates, you found a group of ignorant, entitled,
dishonest, ridiculous, hypocritical penny-pinchers, eh, -highhorse?

You're not the asshole, the cola advocates are, eh, -highhorse?

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-hh

2024-11-21 12:06:55 UTC

Post by -hh
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In the cola advocates, you found a group of ignorant, entitled,
dishonest, ridiculous, hypocritical penny-pinchers, eh, -highhorse?

Nah, just mostly loudmouthed cowards. Many now identify as 'MAGA' /s

-hh

RonB

2024-11-21 11:26:37 UTC

Post by -hh
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So besides RonB, just who might be these "cheap" ones be?
You sure get off on attacking people, -highhorse. What's your
problem? How long have you known that you are inferior?
Such an asshole.

The killfile works very well if you want to avoid "-highhorse's" road
apples. I make good use of my killfile.

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what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

CrudeSausage

2024-11-13 13:43:05 UTC

Post by Physfitfreak
I deleted Nemo and could not get a boot to cinnamon desktop.
What the fuck?
What does fart have to do with the left temple?... Linux is indeed
immature, Mr. Flud :)

Probably because it relys on nemo-desktop for the icon set.

Not bad.

Apple selling machines with 256GB of storage is bad, but the fact that
many machines until this year had no more than 8GB of RAM is way worse.
The lack of RAM will force the use of swap which will destroy the
non-user-replaceable SSD in no time.

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CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
Trump is a legend.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro

2024-11-13 22:38:18 UTC

Apple selling machines with 256GB of storage is bad ...

Obviously not, if their customers are willing to buy such.

rbowman

2024-11-13 23:59:55 UTC

Apple selling machines with 256GB of storage is bad ...

Obviously not, if their customers are willing to buy such.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/13/ifixit_mac_mini_teardown/

"Apple drops soldered storage for 2024 Mac Mini"

Of course just because it's not soldered in doesn't mean it isn't a
proprietary format.

RonB

2024-11-14 07:29:04 UTC

Post by rbowman

Apple selling machines with 256GB of storage is bad ...

Obviously not, if their customers are willing to buy such.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/13/ifixit_mac_mini_teardown/
"Apple drops soldered storage for 2024 Mac Mini"
Of course just because it's not soldered in doesn't mean it isn't a
proprietary format.

At least the storage can now be replaced if it bites the bullet. Now they
need replace the soldered RAM with RAM chip and it will be another step
back to sanity.

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“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

CrudeSausage

2024-11-14 13:41:10 UTC

Post by rbowman

Apple selling machines with 256GB of storage is bad ...

Obviously not, if their customers are willing to buy such.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/13/ifixit_mac_mini_teardown/
"Apple drops soldered storage for 2024 Mac Mini"
Of course just because it's not soldered in doesn't mean it isn't a
proprietary format.

I'll say this much: for the price, there is no beating the M4 Mac Mini
if having a small PC is what you're looking for. When you consider the
amount of power you get and how quiet the unit will operate, you can
overlook certain shortcomings.

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CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
Trump is a legend.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro

2024-11-14 21:53:17 UTC

Post by CrudeSausage
I'll say this much: for the price, there is no beating the M4 Mac Mini
if having a small PC is what you're looking for.

A Raspberry Pi is cheaper, smaller and much more versatile.

Joel

2024-11-14 23:14:42 UTC

Post by CrudeSausage
I'll say this much: for the price, there is no beating the M4 Mac Mini
if having a small PC is what you're looking for.

A Raspberry Pi is cheaper, smaller and much more versatile.

Yeah, the Mac mini is OK relative to Apple's other desktops, but it's
overpriced just the same.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

RonB

2024-11-15 07:05:21 UTC

Post by CrudeSausage
I'll say this much: for the price, there is no beating the M4 Mac Mini
if having a small PC is what you're looking for.

A Raspberry Pi is cheaper, smaller and much more versatile.

So is a Dell Optiplex Micro.

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what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

RonB

2024-11-15 07:04:40 UTC

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by rbowman

Apple selling machines with 256GB of storage is bad ...

Obviously not, if their customers are willing to buy such.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/13/ifixit_mac_mini_teardown/
"Apple drops soldered storage for 2024 Mac Mini"
Of course just because it's not soldered in doesn't mean it isn't a
proprietary format.

I'll take my Dell 9020m (Micro) for about $50 (once extra memory is added).
It has a fan, but in Linux it never runs. Two slots for SSDs (M.2 SATA and
2.5" SATA). Up to 16 GBs of RAM. Runs Linux Mint well (don't have to use Mac
OS).

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

RonB

2024-11-14 07:24:50 UTC

Apple selling machines with 256GB of storage is bad ...

Obviously not, if their customers are willing to buy such.

I think they expect to get more money by forcing you to use their cloud for
adequate storage. Greed short circuits the brain.

I guess many Mac users connect extra SSD drives to their machines.

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“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

candycanearter07

2024-11-14 15:40:03 UTC

Post by RonB

Apple selling machines with 256GB of storage is bad ...

Obviously not, if their customers are willing to buy such.

I think they expect to get more money by forcing you to use their cloud for
adequate storage. Greed short circuits the brain.
I guess many Mac users connect extra SSD drives to their machines.

Except you also need to buy dongles to get more than one port..

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Joel

2024-11-14 15:51:42 UTC

Post by RonB