Who Knows Hardware?

[Farley Flud]

My new Intel Xeon processor has Uncore frequency scaling that can be
controlled by kernel module "intel_uncore:"

https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/INTEL_UNCORE_FREQ_CONTROL.html

This apparently can optimize access to the Intel "uncore" chip
components, including processor cache.

Would it be advisable to enable this?

Who am I kidding? Ain't no one gonna answer.

I shall enable it.

Cateee is great. That resource has saved my bacon many times in
the past.

[Farley Flud]

Post by Farley Flud
Who am I kidding? Ain't no one gonna answer.

I knew it. There ain't nobody here 'cept retarded distro
lackeys.

The whole point and purpose of GNU/Linux is DIY.

There are a LOT of GNU/Linux DIY people but not on this
fucking group.

Lackeys please go away. Find some other forum to occupy
your minuscule minds.

GNU/Linux is for MEN and not lackeys.

[Joel]

Post by Farley Flud

Post by Farley Flud
Who am I kidding? Ain't no one gonna answer.

I knew it. There ain't nobody here 'cept retarded distro
lackeys.
The whole point and purpose of GNU/Linux is DIY.
There are a LOT of GNU/Linux DIY people but not on this
fucking group.
Lackeys please go away. Find some other forum to occupy
your minuscule minds.
GNU/Linux is for MEN and not lackeys.

Dude, you would be talking to yourself, if we restrict advocacy of
Linux to DIYers, you fucking imbecile. Grow the faintest of hearts.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[Physfitfreak]

Post by Farley Flud
Lackeys please go away. Find some other forum to occupy
your minuscule minds.

Hahhahhahh :)

I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.

But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course. Somebody
needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new programs are
as simple as doing it on smartphones. I'm looking for such linux
products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say anything else here
but describing that product :)

Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user of
it for the rest of your lives.

[Farley Flud]

Post by Physfitfreak
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.
But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course. Somebody
needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new programs are
as simple as doing it on smartphones.

In that case, you are not referring to COMPUTERS; you are referring to
APPLIANCES.

An appliance is a simple device that is strictly limited to a well defined,
small set of capabilities and nothing more.

A computer, in stark contrast, is an extremely complicated machine that
does nothing but that has the potential to do anything.

No two computing machines are exactly alike because of the huge number
of different hardware and configuration possibilities. As a consequence
it becomes difficult, if not impossible, for any software package to
accommodate all systems all the time.

Any computer must be intensively managed. There is no way to avoid that
basic fact.

A lot of GNU/Linux distros attempt to remove the user from the management
loop but the end result is always more of an appliance rather than a
computer.

For me, half the enjoyment of using GNU/Linux is the intensive
managementthat that is required, and if performed successfully such
management provides a truly powerful computing system and not a cheap
appliance.












I'm looking for such linux

Post by Physfitfreak
products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say anything else here
but describing that product :)
Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user of
it for the rest of your lives.

[Physfitfreak]

Post by Farley Flud

Post by Physfitfreak
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.
But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course. Somebody
needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new programs are
as simple as doing it on smartphones.

In that case, you are not referring to COMPUTERS; you are referring to
APPLIANCES.
An appliance is a simple device that is strictly limited to a well defined,
small set of capabilities and nothing more.
A computer, in stark contrast, is an extremely complicated machine that
does nothing but that has the potential to do anything.
No two computing machines are exactly alike because of the huge number
of different hardware and configuration possibilities. As a consequence
it becomes difficult, if not impossible, for any software package to
accommodate all systems all the time.
Any computer must be intensively managed. There is no way to avoid that
basic fact.
A lot of GNU/Linux distros attempt to remove the user from the management
loop but the end result is always more of an appliance rather than a
computer.
For me, half the enjoyment of using GNU/Linux is the intensive
managementthat that is required, and if performed successfully such
management provides a truly powerful computing system and not a cheap
appliance.
I'm looking for such linux

Post by Physfitfreak
products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say anything else here
but describing that product :)
Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user of
it for the rest of your lives.

Linux is not a computer. And if the computer cpu's are too varied these
days to accomodate the linux that I want (which I doubt they're that
varied) then the team that creates the Linux should also create and
design the cpu for delivering such capabilities. I've discussed this
before here. 85 years have passed and you disoriented easily bought
people have not been able to create standards for CPUs which leave OS
_and_ computer programs free of limitations they have for a particular
CPU or OS.

I don't have restrictions in my mind that in YOUR mind are Gods of this
fucking universe. I'm not a computer scientist buried under limitations
that Al Capones of this country and this community have placed on it.

I'm talking common sense. Common to Modern Humans :)

[%]

Post by Physfitfreak

Post by Farley Flud

Post by Physfitfreak
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.
But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course. Somebody
needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new programs are
as simple as doing it on smartphones.

In that case, you are not referring to COMPUTERS; you are referring to
APPLIANCES.
An appliance is a simple device that is strictly limited to a well defined,
small set of capabilities and nothing more.
A computer, in stark contrast, is an extremely complicated machine that
does nothing but that has the potential to do anything.
No two computing machines are exactly alike because of the huge number
of different hardware and configuration possibilities.  As a consequence
it becomes difficult, if not impossible, for any software package to
accommodate all systems all the time.
Any computer must be intensively managed.  There is no way to avoid that
basic fact.
A lot of GNU/Linux distros attempt to remove the user from the management
loop but the end result is always more of an appliance rather than a
computer.
For me, half the enjoyment of using GNU/Linux is the intensive
managementthat that is required, and if performed successfully such
management provides a truly powerful computing system and not a cheap
appliance.
  I'm looking for such linux

Post by Physfitfreak
products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say anything else here
but describing that product :)
Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user of
it for the rest of your lives.

Linux is not a computer. And if the computer cpu's are too varied these
days to accomodate the linux that I want (which I doubt they're that
varied) then the team that creates the Linux should also create and
design the cpu for delivering such capabilities. I've discussed this
before here. 85 years have passed and you disoriented easily bought
people have not been able to create standards for CPUs which leave OS
_and_ computer programs free of limitations they have for a particular
CPU or OS.
I don't have restrictions in my mind that in YOUR mind are Gods of this
fucking universe. I'm not a computer scientist buried under limitations
that Al Capones of this country and this community have placed on it.
I'm talking common sense. Common to Modern Humans :)

"managementthat " , lol

[DFS]

Post by Physfitfreak
And if the computer cpu's are too varied these
days to accomodate the linux that I want (which I doubt they're that
varied) then the team that creates the Linux should also create and
design the cpu for delivering such capabilities.

Ho Lee Fuk, būzīna!

Since you're Feeb's ass-kisser, I guarantee he won't chastise you for
this extremely ridiculous and ignorant statement.

Post by Physfitfreak
I've discussed this
before here. 85 years have passed and you disoriented easily bought
people have not been able to create standards for CPUs which leave OS
_and_ computer programs free of limitations they have for a particular
CPU or OS.
I don't have restrictions in my mind that in YOUR mind are Gods of this
fucking universe. I'm not a computer scientist buried under limitations
that Al Capones of this country and this community have placed on it.
I'm talking common sense. Common to Modern Humans :)

What 'free of limitations' nonsense are you babbling about, Fargam?

It appears your drunken idiocy about "It's easy to write an operating
system" has now been extended to include "It's easy to design a CPU".

Get to it:

https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Processor-Design-Fundamentals-Superscalar/dp/1478607831

[CrudeSausage]

Post by Physfitfreak

Lackeys please go away.  Find some other forum to occupy
your minuscule minds.

Hahhahhahh :)
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.

And I have faith that Muslims will one day learn introspection so they
can finally figure out why everyone hates their guts as much as they
hate the Jews.

Post by Physfitfreak
But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course. Somebody
needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new programs are
as simple as doing it on smartphones. I'm looking for such linux
products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say anything else here
but describing that product :)
Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user of
it for the rest of your lives.

Once everyone dies from nuclear war or nuclear fallout in 2099, 2100
will be the year of the Linux desktop for the few mutants who survive.

[DFS]

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by Physfitfreak

Lackeys please go away.  Find some other forum to occupy
your minuscule minds.

Hahhahhahh :)
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.

And I have faith that Muslims will one day learn introspection so they
can finally figure out why everyone hates their guts as much as they
hate the Jews.

Have you figured out why you hate Muslims AND Jews?

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by Physfitfreak
But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course.
Somebody needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new
programs are as simple as doing it on smartphones. I'm looking for
such linux products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say
anything else here but describing that product :)
Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user
of it for the rest of your lives.

Once everyone dies from nuclear war or nuclear fallout in 2099, 2100
will be the year of the Linux desktop for the few mutants who survive.

First new distro by the surviving GuhNoo dunces: Nucular Linux

[CrudeSausage]

Post by DFS

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by Physfitfreak

Lackeys please go away.  Find some other forum to occupy
your minuscule minds.

Hahhahhahh :)
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.

And I have faith that Muslims will one day learn introspection so they
can finally figure out why everyone hates their guts as much as they
hate the Jews.

Have you figured out why you hate Muslims AND Jews?

Both are troublemakers in their own way. I see very clearly what the
Jews and Israel are doing on the world stage and I get to experience the
Muslim effect on society and even the classroom on a daily basis. There
are good people there, but the majority isn't.

[DFS]

Post by Physfitfreak
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.

Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
thought for 3+ decades.

Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.

Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.

[CrudeSausage]

Post by DFS

Post by Physfitfreak
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.

Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
thought for 3+ decades.
Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.

Linux will definitely hurt Windows here and there, but it can't compete
with it on providing a complete experience. Like I mentioned to the
resident faggot a few days ago, people not only want great battery life
which is possible only with Windows (TLP improves consumption in Linux
but it's still poor), but they like to use advanced functionality like
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

[chrisv]

Post by CrudeSausage
they like to use advanced functionality like
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
But they are not, to most users.

Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.

OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
most users. That's not fair or consistent.

As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

[CrudeSausage]

Post by chrisv

Post by CrudeSausage
they like to use advanced functionality like
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
But they are not, to most users.
Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
most users. That's not fair or consistent.
As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Linux definitely has the privacy advantage but the reality is that the
people we would invite to using Linux as their daily driver would
immediately circumvent those advantages by signing up to services that
spy on them consistently like Facebook, and by removing the default
Firefox in favour of Google Chrome. Don't underestimate how retarded the
average person is.

[RonB]

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by chrisv

Post by CrudeSausage
they like to use advanced functionality like
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
But they are not, to most users.
Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
most users. That's not fair or consistent.
As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Linux definitely has the privacy advantage but the reality is that the
people we would invite to using Linux as their daily driver would
immediately circumvent those advantages by signing up to services that
spy on them consistently like Facebook, and by removing the default
Firefox in favour of Google Chrome. Don't underestimate how retarded the
average person is.

I'm not one of those people. Chrome has no place on my computers. Neither
does Facebook (or any of the popular "social" applications).

[CrudeSausage]

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by chrisv

Post by CrudeSausage
they like to use advanced functionality like
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
But they are not, to most users.
Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
most users. That's not fair or consistent.
As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Linux definitely has the privacy advantage but the reality is that the
people we would invite to using Linux as their daily driver would
immediately circumvent those advantages by signing up to services that
spy on them consistently like Facebook, and by removing the default
Firefox in favour of Google Chrome. Don't underestimate how retarded the
average person is.

I'm not one of those people. Chrome has no place on my computers. Neither
does Facebook (or any of the popular "social" applications).

If it's not Gab, it doesn't believe in free speech. Additionally, if it
isn't Gab, it's a honeypot.

[DFS]

Post by chrisv
As always in this FUBAR market,

Only your brain is FUBAR.

Post by chrisv
Linux serves, very well, those for
whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

uh huh... only a few disgruntled GuhNoo idiots on Usenet are able to
assess operating systems and know what's best for others.

[RonB]

Post by chrisv

Post by CrudeSausage
they like to use advanced functionality like
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
But they are not, to most users.
Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
most users. That's not fair or consistent.
As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)

[CrudeSausage]

Post by RonB

Post by chrisv

Post by CrudeSausage
they like to use advanced functionality like
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
But they are not, to most users.
Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
most users. That's not fair or consistent.
As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)

No, I'll make it clearer:

1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
anew preserving settings and applications.

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Post by CrudeSausage
1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.

Why? Everything I saw on the subject point to the other way.

Post by CrudeSausage
2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).

I saw another of your message explaining issues about it, but I never
saw anything like that anywhere else. Your issue is probably with your
computer, maybe a particular device which makes it behave wrongly, but
I'm not convinced about it in a general way.

Post by CrudeSausage
3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
anew preserving settings and applications.

You are comparing two different things. Windows updates update only
Windows and nothing else: you have to manually handle everything else.
When a Linux update handle everything except for things you manually
installed (either because they're not managed by your distro or because
you want a more recent version). For example, if you want to use
FireFox, a Windows update wont take care of it when a Linux update will.

[CrudeSausage]

Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER

Post by CrudeSausage
1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.

Why? Everything I saw on the subject point to the other way.

I believed that too but it's a common complaint for Linux users that
their battery life is worse. TLP does a good job of narrowing the field
between Windows and Linux though. On this machine, the difference is
about 2-5mW per hour which doesn't seem like much but adds up.

Notice that this article admits to the problem. If you follow their
instructions though, you will indeed see a benefit in power consumption:
<https://www.maketecheasier.com/increase-linux-laptop-battery-life/>

Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER

Post by CrudeSausage
2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).

I saw another of your message explaining issues about it, but I never
saw anything like that anywhere else. Your issue is probably with your
computer, maybe a particular device which makes it behave wrongly, but
I'm not convinced about it in a general way.

It appears that Linux finally added support for OPAL v2 encryption in
August 2023 (late but better than never). With that in mind, feel free
to explain how to enable it in Linux for the benefit of all this forum's
readers.

Post by Stéphane CARPENTIER

Post by CrudeSausage
3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
anew preserving settings and applications.

You are comparing two different things. Windows updates update only
Windows and nothing else: you have to manually handle everything else.
When a Linux update handle everything except for things you manually
installed (either because they're not managed by your distro or because
you want a more recent version). For example, if you want to use
FireFox, a Windows update wont take care of it when a Linux update will.

With winget, this is no longer true. You can update the operating system
itself within Windows Update but update everything else through the
command line using that tool. It's not as good as what Linux offers
since it doesn't rely on a small set of repositories, but it's an
improvement.

[RonB]

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by chrisv

Post by CrudeSausage
they like to use advanced functionality like
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
But they are not, to most users.
Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
most users. That's not fair or consistent.
As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)

1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
anew preserving settings and applications.

Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
a difference.

Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
it.

Response to 3) — As I've mentioned (a few times now) Linux works fine for me
when updating computers that haven't been updated for over year, sometimes
even multiple years. I've never had a Linux OS update failure. Meanwhile, my
son's Windows 10 computer is running like a snail (with obvious issues) —
and it refuses to update. I've tried about five Windows' "solutions" so far.
No luck. I saw that it had an update "troubleshooter." I ran it. It claimed,
for about FIVE hours, that it was "resolving the problem." It completed the
"fix" with the message "Update Problem Found." Like no shit, Sherlock,
that's why I ran the damn troubleshooter, because I had already "found" the
problem. I know what's going to end up fixing it. Using a Linux USB to back
up the files my son wants to save and rebuilding from scratch. This is
always the way you "fix" Windows crap.

Out of curiosity, how would you know Linux doesn't update properly if not
updated regularly? You never keep it installed long enough to know this.

[CrudeSausage]

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by chrisv

Post by CrudeSausage
they like to use advanced functionality like
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
But they are not, to most users.
Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
most users. That's not fair or consistent.
As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)

1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
anew preserving settings and applications.

Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
a difference.

For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.

Post by RonB
Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
it.

It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use
the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which
compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of
keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.

Post by RonB
Response to 3) — As I've mentioned (a few times now) Linux works fine for me
when updating computers that haven't been updated for over year, sometimes
even multiple years. I've never had a Linux OS update failure. Meanwhile, my
son's Windows 10 computer is running like a snail (with obvious issues) —
and it refuses to update. I've tried about five Windows' "solutions" so far.
No luck. I saw that it had an update "troubleshooter." I ran it. It claimed,
for about FIVE hours, that it was "resolving the problem." It completed the
"fix" with the message "Update Problem Found." Like no shit, Sherlock,
that's why I ran the damn troubleshooter, because I had already "found" the
problem. I know what's going to end up fixing it. Using a Linux USB to back
up the files my son wants to save and rebuilding from scratch. This is
always the way you "fix" Windows crap.
Out of curiosity, how would you know Linux doesn't update properly if not
updated regularly? You never keep it installed long enough to know this.

That is actually part of why I don't keep Linux installed for long.

[RonB]

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by chrisv

Post by CrudeSausage
they like to use advanced functionality like
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
But they are not, to most users.
Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
most users. That's not fair or consistent.
As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)

1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
anew preserving settings and applications.

Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
a difference.

For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.

Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it was a
piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their consumer
laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can be said for
Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long time now.

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB
Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
it.

It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use
the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which
compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of
keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.

Okay. I still have no interest in encryption. I've tried to recover data
from an encrypted hard drive (not mine) in the past. It was futile (for me,
at least) and I didn't like it.

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB
Response to 3) — As I've mentioned (a few times now) Linux works fine for me
when updating computers that haven't been updated for over year, sometimes
even multiple years. I've never had a Linux OS update failure. Meanwhile, my
son's Windows 10 computer is running like a snail (with obvious issues) —
and it refuses to update. I've tried about five Windows' "solutions" so far.
No luck. I saw that it had an update "troubleshooter." I ran it. It claimed,
for about FIVE hours, that it was "resolving the problem." It completed the
"fix" with the message "Update Problem Found." Like no shit, Sherlock,
that's why I ran the damn troubleshooter, because I had already "found" the
problem. I know what's going to end up fixing it. Using a Linux USB to back
up the files my son wants to save and rebuilding from scratch. This is
always the way you "fix" Windows crap.
Out of curiosity, how would you know Linux doesn't update properly if not
updated regularly? You never keep it installed long enough to know this.

That is actually part of why I don't keep Linux installed for long.

Okay, so... your judging Linux by hearsay?

[CrudeSausage]

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Post by RonB

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Post by chrisv

Post by CrudeSausage
they like to use advanced functionality like
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
But they are not, to most users.
Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
most users. That's not fair or consistent.
As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)

1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
anew preserving settings and applications.

Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
a difference.

For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.

Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it was a
piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their consumer
laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can be said for
Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long time now.

I wouldn't buy a consumer-grade HP laptop considering how poor HP's
motherboards seem to be. There is no end to negative reviews of their
hardware and I know for a fact that the laptops my wife's company
supplies to its employees are HP and they often bend from the heat.

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB
Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
it.

It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use
the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which
compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of
keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.

Okay. I still have no interest in encryption. I've tried to recover data
from an encrypted hard drive (not mine) in the past. It was futile (for me,
at least) and I didn't like it.

I admit that this is an issue which is why my most important data is
also synchronized on the cloud.

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB
Response to 3) — As I've mentioned (a few times now) Linux works fine for me
when updating computers that haven't been updated for over year, sometimes
even multiple years. I've never had a Linux OS update failure. Meanwhile, my
son's Windows 10 computer is running like a snail (with obvious issues) —
and it refuses to update. I've tried about five Windows' "solutions" so far.
No luck. I saw that it had an update "troubleshooter." I ran it. It claimed,
for about FIVE hours, that it was "resolving the problem." It completed the
"fix" with the message "Update Problem Found." Like no shit, Sherlock,
that's why I ran the damn troubleshooter, because I had already "found" the
problem. I know what's going to end up fixing it. Using a Linux USB to back
up the files my son wants to save and rebuilding from scratch. This is
always the way you "fix" Windows crap.
Out of curiosity, how would you know Linux doesn't update properly if not
updated regularly? You never keep it installed long enough to know this.

That is actually part of why I don't keep Linux installed for long.

Okay, so... your judging Linux by hearsay?

No, I'm stating that even in using Linux for a week or two, I eventually
faced an update which caused the machine to stop booting to desktop as
it should.

[RonB]

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by chrisv

Post by CrudeSausage
they like to use advanced functionality like
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
But they are not, to most users.
Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
most users. That's not fair or consistent.
As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)

1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
anew preserving settings and applications.

Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
a difference.

For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.

Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it was a
piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their consumer
laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can be said for
Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long time now.

I wouldn't buy a consumer-grade HP laptop considering how poor HP's
motherboards seem to be. There is no end to negative reviews of their
hardware and I know for a fact that the laptops my wife's company
supplies to its employees are HP and they often bend from the heat.

I'll take your word for it on HP. My brother used to like them, but I think
he's been moving to Dell lately. (He's a Windows programmer who works from
home and he was complaining about something in his older HPs.)

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB
Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
it.

It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use
the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which
compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of
keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.

Okay. I still have no interest in encryption. I've tried to recover data
from an encrypted hard drive (not mine) in the past. It was futile (for me,
at least) and I didn't like it.

I admit that this is an issue which is why my most important data is
also synchronized on the cloud.

I don't syncronize on the Cloud (except for notes in Simplenote).

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB
Response to 3) — As I've mentioned (a few times now) Linux works fine for me
when updating computers that haven't been updated for over year, sometimes
even multiple years. I've never had a Linux OS update failure. Meanwhile, my
son's Windows 10 computer is running like a snail (with obvious issues) —
and it refuses to update. I've tried about five Windows' "solutions" so far.
No luck. I saw that it had an update "troubleshooter." I ran it. It claimed,
for about FIVE hours, that it was "resolving the problem." It completed the
"fix" with the message "Update Problem Found." Like no shit, Sherlock,
that's why I ran the damn troubleshooter, because I had already "found" the
problem. I know what's going to end up fixing it. Using a Linux USB to back
up the files my son wants to save and rebuilding from scratch. This is
always the way you "fix" Windows crap.
Out of curiosity, how would you know Linux doesn't update properly if not
updated regularly? You never keep it installed long enough to know this.

That is actually part of why I don't keep Linux installed for long.

Okay, so... your judging Linux by hearsay?

No, I'm stating that even in using Linux for a week or two, I eventually
faced an update which caused the machine to stop booting to desktop as
it should.

Okay. Again, not my experience, but I don't have "exotic" hardware. Dell's
business hardware is about as "plain Jane" as you can get.

[CrudeSausage]

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by chrisv

Post by CrudeSausage
they like to use advanced functionality like
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
But they are not, to most users.
Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
most users. That's not fair or consistent.
As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)

1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
anew preserving settings and applications.

Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
a difference.

For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.

Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it was a
piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their consumer
laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can be said for
Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long time now.

I wouldn't buy a consumer-grade HP laptop considering how poor HP's
motherboards seem to be. There is no end to negative reviews of their
hardware and I know for a fact that the laptops my wife's company
supplies to its employees are HP and they often bend from the heat.

I'll take your word for it on HP. My brother used to like them, but I think
he's been moving to Dell lately. (He's a Windows programmer who works from
home and he was complaining about something in his older HPs.)

I only have an HP printer and these are the bastards who try to get you
to sign up for a monthly fee for ink or toner refills with them. It
sounds good until you find out that your printer is disabled because the
payment didn't go through.
<https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/HP-Instant-Ink/Do-you-know-that-HP-will-disable-your-printer-when-you-stop/td-p/8587102>

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB
Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
it.

It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use
the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which
compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of
keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.

Okay. I still have no interest in encryption. I've tried to recover data
from an encrypted hard drive (not mine) in the past. It was futile (for me,
at least) and I didn't like it.

I admit that this is an issue which is why my most important data is
also synchronized on the cloud.

I don't syncronize on the Cloud (except for notes in Simplenote).

I try to avoid it, but I don't mind my documents being synchronized and
encrypted as a last resort.

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage
No, I'm stating that even in using Linux for a week or two, I eventually
faced an update which caused the machine to stop booting to desktop as
it should.

Okay. Again, not my experience, but I don't have "exotic" hardware. Dell's
business hardware is about as "plain Jane" as you can get.

It's not that exotic, but I admit that some of the things I got used to
in Windows are things I want to enable by default in Linux like charging
no higher than 80%. It's rather trivial to do that in Linux though.

[RonB]

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

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Post by RonB

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Post by RonB

Post by chrisv

Post by CrudeSausage
they like to use advanced functionality like
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
But they are not, to most users.
Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
most users. That's not fair or consistent.
As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)

1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
anew preserving settings and applications.

Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
a difference.

For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.

Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it was a
piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their consumer
laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can be said for
Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long time now.

I wouldn't buy a consumer-grade HP laptop considering how poor HP's
motherboards seem to be. There is no end to negative reviews of their
hardware and I know for a fact that the laptops my wife's company
supplies to its employees are HP and they often bend from the heat.

I'll take your word for it on HP. My brother used to like them, but I think
he's been moving to Dell lately. (He's a Windows programmer who works from
home and he was complaining about something in his older HPs.)

I only have an HP printer and these are the bastards who try to get you
to sign up for a monthly fee for ink or toner refills with them. It
sounds good until you find out that your printer is disabled because the
payment didn't go through.
<https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/HP-Instant-Ink/Do-you-know-that-HP-will-disable-your-printer-when-you-stop/td-p/8587102>

I don't like that kind of crap either. I think I might have mentioned this
but my wife bought an Epson ink jet printer (one of the tank ones) and was
(is) happy with its print quality. But a couple (maybe three, maybe four?
maybe five?) months ago it quit printing. Some bogus error. I looked it up
and found that there was nothing wrong with the printer, they just want to
force you to "repair it" or buy a new printer. I know this because because
someone is getting rich selling "reset" codes for these models for $10 a
pop. As a trial they give you a 30% reset for free (which is what I did to
see if the code would actually work) and the printer has been running fine
on that for however many months ago that I did this. Absolutely zero issues.

What really irritated me about this is my wife was printing obituary handouts
for her brother's funeral and that's when the printer decided to just stop.
Right in the middle of her job. If this doesn't scream "class action
lawsuit" I don't know what does. It's pure fraud.

And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB
Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
it.

It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use
the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which
compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of
keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.

Okay. I still have no interest in encryption. I've tried to recover data
from an encrypted hard drive (not mine) in the past. It was futile (for me,
at least) and I didn't like it.

I admit that this is an issue which is why my most important data is
also synchronized on the cloud.

I don't syncronize on the Cloud (except for notes in Simplenote).

I try to avoid it, but I don't mind my documents being synchronized and
encrypted as a last resort.

Every time I open my Chromebook it whines that I'm not syncing, which is
exactly what I want. I wish I knew how turn off the notification.

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage
No, I'm stating that even in using Linux for a week or two, I eventually
faced an update which caused the machine to stop booting to desktop as
it should.

Okay. Again, not my experience, but I don't have "exotic" hardware. Dell's
business hardware is about as "plain Jane" as you can get.

It's not that exotic, but I admit that some of the things I got used to
in Windows are things I want to enable by default in Linux like charging
no higher than 80%. It's rather trivial to do that in Linux though.

I looked into that once, decided it wasn't something to worry about (in my
case I'm not away from power that often — I don't do much traveling).

[CrudeSausage]

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage
I only have an HP printer and these are the bastards who try to get you
to sign up for a monthly fee for ink or toner refills with them. It
sounds good until you find out that your printer is disabled because the
payment didn't go through.
<https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/HP-Instant-Ink/Do-you-know-that-HP-will-disable-your-printer-when-you-stop/td-p/8587102>

I don't like that kind of crap either. I think I might have mentioned this
but my wife bought an Epson ink jet printer (one of the tank ones) and was
(is) happy with its print quality. But a couple (maybe three, maybe four?
maybe five?) months ago it quit printing. Some bogus error. I looked it up
and found that there was nothing wrong with the printer, they just want to
force you to "repair it" or buy a new printer. I know this because because
someone is getting rich selling "reset" codes for these models for $10 a
pop. As a trial they give you a 30% reset for free (which is what I did to
see if the code would actually work) and the printer has been running fine
on that for however many months ago that I did this. Absolutely zero issues.
What really irritated me about this is my wife was printing obituary handouts
for her brother's funeral and that's when the printer decided to just stop.
Right in the middle of her job. If this doesn't scream "class action
lawsuit" I don't know what does. It's pure fraud.
And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.

If this is the way all companies work nowadays, I'm probably not going
to buy another one or at least research which company I can buy from
going forward to avoid this kind of garbage. Apparently, Brother is the
only one.

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Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB
I don't syncronize on the Cloud (except for notes in Simplenote).

I try to avoid it, but I don't mind my documents being synchronized and
encrypted as a last resort.

Every time I open my Chromebook it whines that I'm not syncing, which is
exactly what I want. I wish I knew how turn off the notification.

All your data has to be away from the user and on the web! Why do you
refuse to comply?!

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage
No, I'm stating that even in using Linux for a week or two, I eventually
faced an update which caused the machine to stop booting to desktop as
it should.

Okay. Again, not my experience, but I don't have "exotic" hardware. Dell's
business hardware is about as "plain Jane" as you can get.

It's not that exotic, but I admit that some of the things I got used to
in Windows are things I want to enable by default in Linux like charging
no higher than 80%. It's rather trivial to do that in Linux though.

I looked into that once, decided it wasn't something to worry about (in my
case I'm not away from power that often — I don't do much traveling).

When I retire, I'll probably be in the same boat.

[rbowman]

Post by RonB
And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.

Epson always was a crappy company. They embraced the Kodak principle of
selling the printer at or below cost and rape you on the ink. I don't
print often enough so ink jet printers have always been a problem for me.
After a few episodes with ammonia and a toothbrush every time you want to
print something you give up. My Samsung CLP-315 solved the problem. It
says a lot that I haven't replaced the toner. Either I really don't print
much or the Samsung came with full toner cartridges rather than Epson's
usual test drive filling.

[CrudeSausage]

Post by rbowman

Post by RonB
And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.

Epson always was a crappy company. They embraced the Kodak principle of
selling the printer at or below cost and rape you on the ink. I don't
print often enough so ink jet printers have always been a problem for me.
After a few episodes with ammonia and a toothbrush every time you want to
print something you give up. My Samsung CLP-315 solved the problem. It
says a lot that I haven't replaced the toner. Either I really don't print
much or the Samsung came with full toner cartridges rather than Epson's
usual test drive filling.

The Epson 440 inkjet I bought in 1999 or so managed about three prints
before it ran out of ink. I never bothered to buy another ink cartridge
for it.

[RonB]

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by rbowman

Post by RonB
And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.

Epson always was a crappy company. They embraced the Kodak principle of
selling the printer at or below cost and rape you on the ink. I don't
print often enough so ink jet printers have always been a problem for me.
After a few episodes with ammonia and a toothbrush every time you want to
print something you give up. My Samsung CLP-315 solved the problem. It
says a lot that I haven't replaced the toner. Either I really don't print
much or the Samsung came with full toner cartridges rather than Epson's
usual test drive filling.

The Epson 440 inkjet I bought in 1999 or so managed about three prints
before it ran out of ink. I never bothered to buy another ink cartridge
for it.

These Espons I'm talking don't have replaceable cartridges. You just buy the
ink. They're called EccoTank printers. Basically the same system we used to
print signs and banners at the print shop where I worked, except on a much
smaller scale.

[RonB]

Post by rbowman

Post by RonB
And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.

Epson always was a crappy company. They embraced the Kodak principle of
selling the printer at or below cost and rape you on the ink. I don't
print often enough so ink jet printers have always been a problem for me.
After a few episodes with ammonia and a toothbrush every time you want to
print something you give up. My Samsung CLP-315 solved the problem. It
says a lot that I haven't replaced the toner. Either I really don't print
much or the Samsung came with full toner cartridges rather than Epson's
usual test drive filling.

That's what really ticked me off about this printer. They sold it at a
higher price, specifically emphasizing the value of the cheaper ink. I
assumed they did this because they were tired of losing supply revenue to
generic ink makers. And their ink is relatively cheap. We've always bought
OEM ink with this one because the price is reasonable and the quality is
good. What they didn't tell us is that they have a meter that shuts down
the printer down at a certain number of printed pages.

We had a Brother color laser printer, but we couldn't keep the heads aligned
worth a dang. I like Brother b/w laser printers, but not that color one. The
toner was also very expensive. My wife prints colored charts (and laminates
some of them) for her students. The ink jet does a better job with these
than a color laser printer. So the Epson ink printer works really well for
what she needs. I'll pay the $10 to fully reset the meter when the time
comes that it quits on us again. It's been going for quite a while on the
partial reset. I still don't like this tactic, however.

[rbowman]

Post by RonB
Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it
was a piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their
consumer laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can
be said for Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long
time now.

My Acer laptop is a Ryzen 7.

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-7-4700u.c2282

The review reports 11 hour battery life, low temperatures and noise. He
pings it for display brightness and color definition but for my use that's
not a factor. Mine is from 2020 as in the review. The current Swift 3 AMD
uses the Ryzen 5. It is now running Windows 11.

The Ubuntu system I'm writing on is a Beelink mini that also has the 4700I
with 16 GB of memory. The only time the fan noise is noticeable is on a
reboot.

[RonB]

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Post by Physfitfreak
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.

Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
thought for 3+ decades.
Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.

Linux will definitely hurt Windows here and there, but it can't compete
with it on providing a complete experience. Like I mentioned to the
resident faggot a few days ago, people not only want great battery life
which is possible only with Windows (TLP improves consumption in Linux
but it's still poor), but they like to use advanced functionality like
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

I have laptops that can run both Linux and Windows. When running Windows the
fans come on often. When running Linux they don't. Also in Windows there
seems to be almost constant SSD (or Hard Drive) activity when I'm doing
nothing. In Linux this activity is almost non-existent. So, at least with my
business machines, your claim for superior battery life in Windows is not
true — maybe a game machine with high powered GPU would make a difference
here, so maybe I'm comparing apples with oranges.

[CrudeSausage]

Post by RonB

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by DFS

Post by Physfitfreak
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.

Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
thought for 3+ decades.
Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.

Linux will definitely hurt Windows here and there, but it can't compete
with it on providing a complete experience. Like I mentioned to the
resident faggot a few days ago, people not only want great battery life
which is possible only with Windows (TLP improves consumption in Linux
but it's still poor), but they like to use advanced functionality like
hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

I have laptops that can run both Linux and Windows. When running Windows the
fans come on often. When running Linux they don't. Also in Windows there
seems to be almost constant SSD (or Hard Drive) activity when I'm doing
nothing. In Linux this activity is almost non-existent. So, at least with my
business machines, your claim for superior battery life in Windows is not
true — maybe a game machine with high powered GPU would make a difference
here, so maybe I'm comparing apples with oranges.

This isn't a claim; it's been shown by a number of articles all easily
searchable on the Internet. When it comes to battery life, Linux simply
doesn't conserve energy as well as a Windows machine does. However, I'll
be the first to admit that the SSD activity is much more prominent under
Windows than it is in Linux. Funny enough, when I upgraded my SSD to a
2TB Samsung Evo 990, that activity light turned on way more than it ever
did with the 1TB Sc Hynix I used before. It might be the result of this
SSD not having DRAM though.

[CrudeSausage]

Post by DFS

Post by Physfitfreak
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.

Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
thought for 3+ decades.
Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.

The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
Winblows being "ruined". It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
people typically have to boot it, Linux provides a usable alternative,
but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.

Because people don't have to worry that their third-party hardware might
not work under Windows, and they don't have to worry that the software
they like will execute. For desktop experience, the only area Linux can
compete with Windows in is cost. If you have an under-performing machine
but still want a decent experience, you're a lot more likely to get it
with Linux. That's also why I am not even considering Windows for the
twenty out-of-use computers the school board is going to send me to
serve the financially-strapped neighbourhood I work in. These people can
barely afford pencils, so it wouldn't make sense to give them Windows
and tell them to buy software. However, if you can afford decent
hardware, there truly is no good reason to run Linux. You can convince
yourself that it's more secure, faster, lighter on resources or more
private, but most of that doesn't even matter to the people who
willingly give away most of their private information by default by
getting onto platforms like Facebook, Instagram and "free" e-mail services.

[RonB]

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by DFS

Post by Physfitfreak
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.

Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
thought for 3+ decades.
Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.

The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
Winblows being "ruined". It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
people typically have to boot it, Linux provides a usable alternative,
but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.

Because people don't have to worry that their third-party hardware might
not work under Windows, and they don't have to worry that the software
they like will execute. For desktop experience, the only area Linux can
compete with Windows in is cost. If you have an under-performing machine
but still want a decent experience, you're a lot more likely to get it
with Linux. That's also why I am not even considering Windows for the
twenty out-of-use computers the school board is going to send me to
serve the financially-strapped neighbourhood I work in. These people can
barely afford pencils, so it wouldn't make sense to give them Windows
and tell them to buy software. However, if you can afford decent
hardware, there truly is no good reason to run Linux. You can convince
yourself that it's more secure, faster, lighter on resources or more
private, but most of that doesn't even matter to the people who
willingly give away most of their private information by default by
getting onto platforms like Facebook, Instagram and "free" e-mail services.

I've been using Linux for 18 years because it's superior to Windows. Much
easier to maintain and use. A much more logical directory structure. Much
more reliable. And much faster, lighter, secure and private (as you
mentioned). And there's no ads popping up when you just want to look at the
temperature. Linux, if you're not married to M$ Office or Adobe rental crap
— or if you don't want to play video games designed specifically for
Windows — is a much better OS than Windows. Not even close.

There's a reason I don't use Windows and it's not because I can't afford it.
(Most of my Dell business machines have a Windows license built into the
BIOS, so it's free.) I use Linux because it's better. Period. I don't play
Windows' video games and I don't use Adobe rentware or M$ Office. Zero
desire to do so. The ability to run these applications is about the only
reason I can see for wanting to use Windows. Fortunately I don't have that
problem.

[vallor]

Post by RonB
Linux, if you're not married to M$ Office or Adobe rental crap
— or if you don't want to play video games designed specifically for
Windows — is a much better OS than Windows. Not even close.

Games with their proton ratings, sorted by most popular:

https://www.protondb.com/explore?sort=popular

Not all games run well on Linux. Many do.

(Also, it goes without saying that Office 365 works just
fine with Linux.)

[CrudeSausage]

Post by vallor

Post by RonB
Linux, if you're not married to M$ Office or Adobe rental crap
— or if you don't want to play video games designed specifically for
Windows — is a much better OS than Windows. Not even close.

https://www.protondb.com/explore?sort=popular
Not all games run well on Linux. Many do.
(Also, it goes without saying that Office 365 works just
fine with Linux.)

What that site doesn't mention is that there is usually an amount of
tinkering necessary to get the games running and that the tinkers often
work in one distribution but not in the other. I'll admit that many
games are trivial to get running, but probably more work than most are
willing to go through. Additionally, if the games aren't on Steam, the
download rates in applications like Lutris, for whatever reason, are
unbelievably slow.

[DFS]

Post by DFS

Post by Physfitfreak
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.

Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
thought for 3+ decades.
Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.

The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
Winblows being "ruined".

It's just ignorant GuhNoo drooling. No substance to their fantasies.
There never has been, for 30+ years.

It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
people typically have to boot it,

Win11 Pro runs fast on my low-end system:

item and current new prices:

AMD 5600G chip $139
MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk mobo $140
Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200 memory $33
nVidia GTX 750Ti 2GB single-fan video $124
Team 256GB NVMe boot/app drive $23
WD 2TB SSD data/storage drive $189

Total $648

It's not easy to even find a prebuilt AMD 5600 system more expensive
than that. So Win11 has NOT outpaced low-end hardware.

The benchmarks on my system are low, but in use it's fast at everything.
The most noticeable bottleneck by far is copying big files to my HDD
backup drive.

Linux provides a usable alternative,
but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.

No duh. Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
games.

I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone). At that point I can
mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.

Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
picture files just as easily?

[Joel]

Post by DFS

Post by DFS

Post by Physfitfreak
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.

Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
thought for 3+ decades.
Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.

The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
Winblows being "ruined".

It's just ignorant GuhNoo drooling. No substance to their fantasies.
There never has been, for 30+ years.

Win11 remains the prince OS, supporting bleeding-edge hardware.

Post by DFS

It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
people typically have to boot it,

AMD 5600G chip $139
MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk mobo $140
Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200 memory $33
nVidia GTX 750Ti 2GB single-fan video $124
Team 256GB NVMe boot/app drive $23
WD 2TB SSD data/storage drive $189
Total $648
It's not easy to even find a prebuilt AMD 5600 system more expensive
than that. So Win11 has NOT outpaced low-end hardware.
The benchmarks on my system are low, but in use it's fast at everything.
The most noticeable bottleneck by far is copying big files to my HDD
backup drive.

Linux provides a usable alternative,
but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.

No duh. Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
games.
I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone). At that point I can
mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
picture files just as easily?

You're tolerating the bloat, I'm not. As for linking my phone, my
computer has Bluetooth, I imagine I could use that.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[DFS]

Post by Joel

Post by DFS

Post by DFS

Post by Physfitfreak
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.

Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
thought for 3+ decades.
Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.

The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
Winblows being "ruined".

It's just ignorant GuhNoo drooling. No substance to their fantasies.
There never has been, for 30+ years.

Win11 remains the prince OS, supporting bleeding-edge hardware.

Post by DFS

It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
people typically have to boot it,

AMD 5600G chip $139
MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk mobo $140
Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200 memory $33
nVidia GTX 750Ti 2GB single-fan video $124
Team 256GB NVMe boot/app drive $23
WD 2TB SSD data/storage drive $189
Total $648
It's not easy to even find a prebuilt AMD 5600 system more expensive
than that. So Win11 has NOT outpaced low-end hardware.
The benchmarks on my system are low, but in use it's fast at everything.
The most noticeable bottleneck by far is copying big files to my HDD
backup drive.

Linux provides a usable alternative,
but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.

No duh. Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
games.
I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone). At that point I can
mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
picture files just as easily?

You're tolerating the bloat, I'm not.

I want some evidence for Windows 'bloat' that affects you.

In the face of $50 to $70 per TB of SSD, an extra 40GB of storage costs
approx $2 to $3. And 40GB is probably way overstating the incremental
storage space required for Windows and Windows apps vs Linux and Linux apps.

https://diskprices.com

In the face of $2 per GB of DDR4-3200 memory, an extra 4GB of RAM for
Windows costs $8.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ddr4+3200+ram+16gb


So that's $10 of hardware 'bloat' for Windows

You spend more than that every week on KY jelly.

So why are you bitching?

Post by Joel
As for linking my phone, my
computer has Bluetooth, I imagine I could use that.

Imagination can't help you here.

[Joel]

Post by DFS

Post by Joel

Post by DFS

Linux provides a usable alternative,
but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.

No duh. Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
games.
I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone). At that point I can
mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
picture files just as easily?

You're tolerating the bloat, I'm not.

I want some evidence for Windows 'bloat' that affects you.

The 23H2 release was weightier than previous builds. I jumped ship.

Post by DFS
In the face of $50 to $70 per TB of SSD, an extra 40GB of storage costs
approx $2 to $3. And 40GB is probably way overstating the incremental
storage space required for Windows and Windows apps vs Linux and Linux apps.
https://diskprices.com
In the face of $2 per GB of DDR4-3200 memory, an extra 4GB of RAM for
Windows costs $8.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ddr4+3200+ram+16gb
So that's $10 of hardware 'bloat' for Windows
You spend more than that every week on KY jelly.
So why are you bitching?

Irrelevant.

Post by DFS

Post by Joel
As for linking my phone, my
computer has Bluetooth, I imagine I could use that.

Imagination can't help you here.

It would work if I wanted it to, it's easier to just send a pic from
my phone's Skype app to myself, and receive it on my computer's Web
app for Skype (because the desktop M$ app aborted itself from my
Debian install, mysteriously).
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[CrudeSausage]

Post by DFS

Post by Joel

Post by DFS

Post by Physfitfreak
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.

Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
thought for 3+ decades.
Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.

The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
Winblows being "ruined".

It's just ignorant GuhNoo drooling.  No substance to their fantasies.
There never has been, for 30+ years.

Win11 remains the prince OS, supporting bleeding-edge hardware.

It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
people typically have to boot it,

AMD 5600G chip  $139
MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk mobo $140
Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200 memory  $33
nVidia GTX 750Ti 2GB single-fan video  $124
Team 256GB NVMe boot/app drive  $23
WD 2TB   SSD  data/storage drive $189
Total $648
It's not easy to even find a prebuilt AMD 5600 system more expensive
than that.  So Win11 has NOT outpaced low-end hardware.
The benchmarks on my system are low, but in use it's fast at everything.
  The most noticeable bottleneck by far is copying big files to my HDD
backup drive.

Linux provides a usable alternative,
but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.

No duh.  Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
games.
I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone).  At that point I can
mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
picture files just as easily?

You're tolerating the bloat, I'm not.

I want some evidence for Windows 'bloat' that affects you.
In the face of $50 to $70 per TB of SSD, an extra 40GB of storage costs
approx $2 to $3.  And 40GB is probably way overstating the incremental
storage space required for Windows and Windows apps vs Linux and Linux apps.
https://diskprices.com
In the face of $2 per GB of DDR4-3200 memory, an extra 4GB of RAM for
Windows costs $8.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ddr4+3200+ram+16gb
So that's $10 of hardware 'bloat' for Windows
You spend more than that every week on KY jelly.
So why are you bitching?

LOL, as if Joel can afford KY jelly. He prefers the spit method.

[CrudeSausage]

Post by Joel

Post by DFS

Linux provides a usable alternative,
but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.

No duh. Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
games.
I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone). At that point I can
mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
picture files just as easily?

You're tolerating the bloat, I'm not. As for linking my phone, my
computer has Bluetooth, I imagine I could use that.

How about you try it and feel the utter disappointment the rest of us have?

Using Linux is like being the only guy on the highway in a Fiat when
everyone else is driving a luxury vehicle. Sure, there's a chance that
it'll get you to your destination and cheaply, but you won't pick up any
pussy with it and it'll break down every few miles because you didn't
hug it hard enough.

[vallor]

Post by DFS
I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone). At that point I can
mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
picture files just as easily?

Yes.

In fact, you just reminded me that I bought a USB-c cable to back up
my phone's images. Plugged it in, set the Pixel 7 pro to "data" (ptp),
and it appeared in the File Manager.

I'm running an rsync now. To do that, you have to know where the mount
is, which is under /run/user. (It's in the gvfs directory, being a gvfs
mount.)

[rbowman]

Post by DFS
Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
picture files just as easily?

Yes. Data transfer has to be enabled.

[RonB]

Post by rbowman

Post by DFS
Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
picture files just as easily?

Yes. Data transfer has to be enabled.

Same with my Pixel (even the iPhone SE and the flip phones I've used).

[CrudeSausage]

Post by DFS

Post by Physfitfreak
I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.

Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
thought for 3+ decades.
Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.

The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
Winblows being "ruined".

It's just ignorant GuhNoo drooling.  No substance to their fantasies.
There never has been, for 30+ years.

It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
people typically have to boot it,

AMD 5600G chip  $139
MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk mobo $140
Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200 memory  $33
nVidia GTX 750Ti 2GB single-fan video  $124
Team 256GB NVMe boot/app drive  $23
WD 2TB   SSD  data/storage drive $189
Total $648

That's 648 girlcocks Joel will have to suck!

It's not easy to even find a prebuilt AMD 5600 system more expensive
than that.  So Win11 has NOT outpaced low-end hardware.
The benchmarks on my system are low, but in use it's fast at everything.
 The most noticeable bottleneck by far is copying big files to my HDD
backup drive.

I notice that even on a fast computer, Windows 11's context menus are
rather slow (right-click on the desktop, for example). Otherwise,
everything is fast.

Linux provides a usable alternative,
but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.

No duh.  Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
games.
I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone).  At that point I can
mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
picture files just as easily?

Android should run fine on Debian, to be honest. I would be surprised if
support for it wasn't baked into the system. An iPhone is another matter.