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YouTube video shows what the Recall log file looks like
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DFS
2024-10-28 17:55:43 UTC
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Joel
2024-10-28 19:14:29 UTC
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http://youtu.be/oSBDkPxivuA
Ready to switch to Linux full time, then, buddy? :)
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
DFS
2024-10-29 01:56:36 UTC
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http://youtu.be/oSBDkPxivuA
Ready to switch to Linux full time, then, buddy? :)
As long as you can uninstall Recall, not a chance.

As long as I'm forced to use thunar or dolphin or any of the other
crapware file managers I've tried, not a chance.

As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)

As long as there's no office software as good as MS Office, not a chance.

etc

You know, for however many years Windows records a lot of your activity:

https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/computer_activity_view.html

"This tool gathers information from various sources, including the
Registry, the events log of Windows, the Prefetch folder of Windows
(C:\windows\Prefetch), the MiniDump folder of Windows
(C:\Windows\Minidump), and more..."

No screenshots, but more details than I would want a stranger to see.

I presume you can get the same type of info from Linux log files.

At some point I'll give Recall a try if it's free, but I can't imagine
why I would want to store such a detailed record of my computer usage.

It's just cola and porn 16 hours a day anyway.
Joel
2024-10-29 15:18:49 UTC
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http://youtu.be/oSBDkPxivuA
Ready to switch to Linux full time, then, buddy? :)
As long as you can uninstall Recall, not a chance.
As long as I'm forced to use thunar or dolphin or any of the other
crapware file managers I've tried, not a chance.
As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)
As long as there's no office software as good as MS Office, not a chance.
etc
https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/computer_activity_view.html
"This tool gathers information from various sources, including the
Registry, the events log of Windows, the Prefetch folder of Windows
(C:\windows\Prefetch), the MiniDump folder of Windows
(C:\Windows\Minidump), and more..."
No screenshots, but more details than I would want a stranger to see.
I presume you can get the same type of info from Linux log files.
At some point I'll give Recall a try if it's free, but I can't imagine
why I would want to store such a detailed record of my computer usage.
It's just cola and porn 16 hours a day anyway.
I mean, it's optional, yeah, but aren't you tired of Windows just
endlessly expanding? Linux is a more common-sense OS.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-10-30 03:14:49 UTC
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As long as I'm forced to use thunar or dolphin or any of the other
crapware file managers I've tried, not a chance.
So don’t use any of them. You have a choice.
Post by DFS
As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)
Pity you can’t just do “apt get install «editor-of-choice»”.
Post by DFS
As long as there's no office software as good as MS Office, not a chance.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
DFS
2024-10-30 03:45:41 UTC
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As long as I'm forced to use thunar or dolphin or any of the other
crapware file managers I've tried, not a chance.
So don’t use any of them. You have a choice.
I've tried a big bunch of file managers on Windows and Linux. I keep
coming back to Windows File Explorer.

X File Explorer on Linux looks like it might be worth a try.
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Post by DFS
As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)
Pity you can’t just do “apt get install «editor-of-choice»”.
My editor of choice on Windows is Notepad++. It has a ton of features I
don't use, but a subset I won't go without: block commenting and
uncommenting, several line sort operations, show symbols, function list,
tab sizing, syntax highlighting, column mode, search across
folders/multiple documents.

I once spent most of a day writing code only on MousePad on Linux, so I
can adapt to a lesser editor. But why should anyone have to lower their
standards just to use Linux?
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Post by DFS
As long as there's no office software as good as MS Office, not a chance.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Here's the datasource: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html

Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al

It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
amounts of VBA code.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.

crickets are already buzzing...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-10-30 04:16:36 UTC
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I've tried a big bunch of file managers on Windows and Linux. I keep
coming back to Windows File Explorer.
Could it cope with those 100,000 files we were discussing the other day?
Post by DFS
But why should anyone have to lower their standards just to use Linux?
Emacs does it all. It was doing it all before you were born.
Post by DFS
Here's the datasource: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html
Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al
It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
amounts of VBA code.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.
Oh look, somebody already knows how to put it through professional
analysis tools (i.e. not Microsoft):
<https://github.com/afogarty85/fooddata_central>.

As the saying does: “Your move, creep.”
DFS
2024-10-30 15:03:04 UTC
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I've tried a big bunch of file managers on Windows and Linux. I keep
coming back to Windows File Explorer.
Could it cope with those 100,000 files we were discussing the other day?
It copes very well.
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Post by DFS
But why should anyone have to lower their standards just to use Linux?
Emacs does it all. It was doing it all before you were born.
I didn't know Guy Steele wrote Emacs when he was 8.
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Post by DFS
Here's the datasource: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html
Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al
It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
amounts of VBA code.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.
Oh look, somebody already knows how to put it through professional
<https://github.com/afogarty85/fooddata_central>.
As the saying does: “Your move, creep.”
Told you you would fail.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-10-30 21:16:21 UTC
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https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html
Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al
It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
amounts of VBA code.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.
Oh look, somebody already knows how to put it through professional
<https://github.com/afogarty85/fooddata_central>.
As the saying does: “Your move, creep.”
Told you you would fail.
Think about why Microsoft has been forced to offer access to Python-based
open-source tools to its Excel users: it’s because of the quality of
analysis available through examples like the above.

Now think about why Microsoft can get away with charging for those extra
tools: it’s because Microsoft users (like yourself) are too dumb to
realize they can bypass Microsoft and use them for free.
DFS
2024-10-31 13:54:17 UTC
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https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html
Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al
It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
amounts of VBA code.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.
Oh look, somebody already knows how to put it through professional
<https://github.com/afogarty85/fooddata_central>.
As the saying does: “Your move, creep.”
Told you you would fail.
Think about why Microsoft has been forced to offer access to Python-based
open-source tools to its Excel users: it’s because of the quality of
analysis available through examples like the above.
Now think about why Microsoft can get away with charging for those extra
tools: it’s because Microsoft users (like yourself) are too dumb to
realize they can bypass Microsoft and use them for free.
When a GuhNoo dud like you is beaten by GuhNoo dud software, he falls
back on dud lies and dud conjecture.

Larry Dud: "Installing a half-dozen python data science libraries will
make your Windows system unusable"
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-10-31 19:44:26 UTC
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Think about why Microsoft has been forced to offer access to
Python-based open-source tools to its Excel users: it’s because of the
quality of analysis available through examples like the above.
Now think about why Microsoft can get away with charging for those
extra tools: it’s because Microsoft users (like yourself) are too dumb
to realize they can bypass Microsoft and use them for free.
[dissembling]
Says the one who was so desperate to find something nice that someone had
said about Microsoft Office, they had to go hang out on a Liberal-leaning
media site!
DFS
2024-11-01 01:55:38 UTC
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Think about why Microsoft has been forced to offer access to
Python-based open-source tools to its Excel users: it’s because of the
quality of analysis available through examples like the above.
Now think about why Microsoft can get away with charging for those
extra tools: it’s because Microsoft users (like yourself) are too dumb
to realize they can bypass Microsoft and use them for free.
[dissembling]
Cope, dud.
Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Says the one who was so desperate to find something nice that someone
had said about Microsoft Office, they had to go hang out on a Liberal-leaning
media site!
The story was mentioned at the bottom of the page on some tech site.

keep coping, dud.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-11-01 02:45:35 UTC
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Says the one who was so desperate to find something nice that someone
had said about Microsoft Office, they had to go hang out on a
Liberal-leaning media site!
The story was mentioned at the bottom of the page on some tech site.
Excuses, excuses.

No doubt Liberal-leaning, too.

Don’t you check on the orthodoxy of links before clicking?
rbowman
2024-10-30 04:36:45 UTC
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I once spent most of a day writing code only on MousePad on Linux, so I
can adapt to a lesser editor. But why should anyone have to lower their
standards just to use Linux?
I highly doubt if I took a screenshot of VS Code you could figure out what
platform it was on.
Post by DFS
Here's the datasource: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html
Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al
It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
amounts of VBA code.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.
Why in the name of all that is holy would you take perfectly good CSV
data, stick it in an obsolete version of Access, and manipulate it with
the equally obsolete VBA? Or suggest using LibreOffice?

Give a man a hammer...
DFS
2024-10-30 15:07:01 UTC
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I once spent most of a day writing code only on MousePad on Linux, so I
can adapt to a lesser editor. But why should anyone have to lower their
standards just to use Linux?
I highly doubt if I took a screenshot of VS Code you could figure out what
platform it was on.
I never claimed differently. But I don't like VS Code.
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Post by DFS
Here's the datasource: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html
Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al
It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
amounts of VBA code.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.
Why in the name of all that is holy would you take perfectly good CSV
data, stick it in an obsolete version of Access, and manipulate it with
the equally obsolete VBA?
I built that years ago to:
* smack down that LibreOffice junk
* show Feeb how to access info very quickly via GUI. The idiot thinks
users should write their own SQL if they want information.

I may do a quick rewrite of it in PyQt and SQLite, which should run
unchanged on Linux.

Hey, why don't you give the simple challenge a try? Just so you know,
it cannot be done in that piece of crap LibreOffice, so don't waste your
time. But pick your poison and have at it.

The loudmouth nitwits Feeb and Larry Duh and Joel have tucked tail and
run after making noise about LO being the equal of MS Office.
Post by rbowman
Or suggest using LibreOffice?
The ONLY thing I might suggest using LibreOffice for is trying to open
obscure documents.
Post by rbowman
Give a man a hammer...
Why shouldn't it be in an old version of Access, using VBA?
rbowman
2024-10-30 17:05:47 UTC
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I may do a quick rewrite of it in PyQt and SQLite, which should run
unchanged on Linux.
That probably would be my approach although I would use PySide6.

https://doc.qt.io/qtforpython-6/

PySide6 avoids Riverbank Computing's bullshit. On Windows I might use .NET
and C# but so far there isn't a decent .NET GUI on Linux.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-10-30 23:56:55 UTC
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On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a decent .NET
GUI on Linux.
There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.

What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI? WinForms?
UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?
rbowman
2024-10-31 00:40:52 UTC
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On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a decent
.NET GUI on Linux.
There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.
What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI? WinForms?
UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?
Silverlight is dead. MAUI is UMP risen from the grave and both are the
descendants of WPF. Microsoft would dearly love to shovel dirt over
WinForms but can't ever quite get the job done.

I don't know the current status of Gtk# for cross-platform.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-10-31 04:17:19 UTC
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On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a decent
.NET GUI on Linux.
There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.
What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI? WinForms?
UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?
Silverlight is dead. MAUI is UMP risen from the grave and both are the
descendants of WPF. Microsoft would dearly love to shovel dirt over
WinForms but can't ever quite get the job done.
I don't know the current status of Gtk# for cross-platform.
So, no decent GUI on Windows? On the world’s foremost platform that
inextricably integrates the GUI into the OS?

Anybody else see the irony in that?
rbowman
2024-10-31 17:49:50 UTC
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Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro
On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a decent
.NET GUI on Linux.
There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.
What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI? WinForms?
UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?
Silverlight is dead. MAUI is UMP risen from the grave and both are the
descendants of WPF. Microsoft would dearly love to shovel dirt over
WinForms but can't ever quite get the job done.
I don't know the current status of Gtk# for cross-platform.
So, no decent GUI on Windows? On the world’s foremost platform that
inextricably integrates the GUI into the OS?
What I see is the irony of your claim there is no decent GUI for an OS
that dominates the desktop market. You are the anti-DFS when it comes to
making baseless claims.
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Anybody else see the irony in that?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-10-31 19:42:38 UTC
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Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro
On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a decent
.NET GUI on Linux.
There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.
What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI? WinForms?
UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?
Silverlight is dead. MAUI is UMP risen from the grave and both are the
descendants of WPF. Microsoft would dearly love to shovel dirt over
WinForms but can't ever quite get the job done.
I don't know the current status of Gtk# for cross-platform.
So, no decent GUI on Windows? On the world’s foremost platform that
inextricably integrates the GUI into the OS?
What I see is the irony of your claim there is no decent GUI for an OS
that dominates the desktop market.
How do developers create those “decent” GUIs without adequate tools?

Maybe those GUIs don’t turn out to be so “decent” in actual use after
all ...
rbowman
2024-10-31 22:38:23 UTC
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Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro
On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a decent
.NET GUI on Linux.
There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.
What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI? WinForms?
UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?
Silverlight is dead. MAUI is UMP risen from the grave and both are
the descendants of WPF. Microsoft would dearly love to shovel dirt
over WinForms but can't ever quite get the job done.
I don't know the current status of Gtk# for cross-platform.
So, no decent GUI on Windows? On the world’s foremost platform that
inextricably integrates the GUI into the OS?
What I see is the irony of your claim there is no decent GUI for an OS
that dominates the desktop market.
How do developers create those “decent” GUIs without adequate tools?
Just what do you consider adequate tools? I suppose Visual Studio isn't
one of them.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-10-31 23:55:17 UTC
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Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro
On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a
decent .NET GUI on Linux.
There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.
What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI?
WinForms? UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?
Silverlight is dead. MAUI is UMP risen from the grave and both are
the descendants of WPF. Microsoft would dearly love to shovel dirt
over WinForms but can't ever quite get the job done.
I don't know the current status of Gtk# for cross-platform.
So, no decent GUI on Windows? On the world’s foremost platform that
inextricably integrates the GUI into the OS?
What I see is the irony of your claim there is no decent GUI for an OS
that dominates the desktop market.
How do developers create those “decent” GUIs without adequate tools?
Just what do you consider adequate tools?
The question is, what do Microsoft and its developers consider adequate
tools? Seems like nothing currently fills the bill.
Chris Ahlstrom
2024-10-31 11:46:27 UTC
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Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro
On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a decent
.NET GUI on Linux.
There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.
What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI? WinForms?
UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?
Silverlight is dead. MAUI is UMP risen from the grave and both are the
descendants of WPF. Microsoft would dearly love to shovel dirt over
WinForms but can't ever quite get the job done.
I don't know the current status of Gtk# for cross-platform.
Qt is decent, and cross-platform. And it's, I think, better maintained on
Windows than is Gtkmm (for example).

And avoids Microsoft's chronic churn.
--
You will not be elected to public office this year.
rbowman
2024-10-31 18:14:12 UTC
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Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro
On Windows I might use .NET and C# but so far there isn't a decent
.NET GUI on Linux.
There doesn’t seem to be a decent Dotnet GUI on Windows, either.
What’s Microsoft’s current recommendation for a Windows GUI? WinForms?
UWP? Silverlight? MFC? WinRT? Maui? Avalon?
Silverlight is dead. MAUI is UMP risen from the grave and both are the
descendants of WPF. Microsoft would dearly love to shovel dirt over
WinForms but can't ever quite get the job done.
I don't know the current status of Gtk# for cross-platform.
Qt is decent, and cross-platform. And it's, I think, better maintained
on Windows than is Gtkmm (for example).
https://www.qt.io/blog/qt/.net-hosting-.net-code-in-a-qt-application

Not quite there yet for .NET. There was a WX.NET for wxWidgets but that
died years ago. Note that I'm focusing on .NET as a cross platform
technology. ASP.NET and CLI apps are fine on Linux but GUIs have been the
drawback.

As far as QT I hope the Qt Company is a little more together than
Trolltech. The trolls were vague about commercial licensing. That's still
a problem with PyQt versus PySide6.
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And avoids Microsoft's chronic churn.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-10-30 21:05:15 UTC
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Why in the name of all that is holy would you take perfectly good CSV
data, stick it in an obsolete version of Access, and manipulate it with
the equally obsolete VBA?
* smack down that LibreOffice junk
Still ignoring my point about actual data analysis, aren’t you?
DFS
2024-10-30 22:39:06 UTC
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Why in the name of all that is holy would you take perfectly good CSV
data, stick it in an obsolete version of Access, and manipulate it with
the equally obsolete VBA?
* smack down that LibreOffice junk
Still ignoring my point about actual data analysis, aren’t you?
Why are you still running away from the beatdown Access from 2003 puts
on LibreOffice Base from 2024?

You smirked, then ran. Why?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-10-30 23:54:58 UTC
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Why in the name of all that is holy would you take perfectly good CSV
data, stick it in an obsolete version of Access, and manipulate it with
the equally obsolete VBA?
* smack down that LibreOffice junk
Still ignoring my point about actual data analysis, aren’t you?
Why are you still running away from the beatdown Access from 2003 puts
on LibreOffice Base from 2024?
*Yawn* So you managed to make something look pretty. And meaningless.
DFS
2024-10-31 04:16:38 UTC
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Why in the name of all that is holy would you take perfectly good CSV
data, stick it in an obsolete version of Access, and manipulate it with
the equally obsolete VBA?
* smack down that LibreOffice junk
Still ignoring my point about actual data analysis, aren’t you?
Why are you still running away from the beatdown Access from 2003 puts
on LibreOffice Base from 2024?
*Yawn* So you managed to make something look pretty. And meaningless.
pwned.

Not that you and Feeb and GuhNoo LeeberOffice hobbyware were ever up to
the challenge.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-10-31 05:32:02 UTC
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Not that [Linux] were ever up to the challenge.
Challenge to make something look pretty?

Actually, you can’t even win that prize
<https://matplotlib.org/stable/gallery/index>.
DFS
2024-10-31 13:48:26 UTC
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Not that [Linux] were ever up to the challenge.
That's not what I said, liar.
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Challenge to make something look pretty?
I only ever said functionality, liar.

You deflected to 'pretty' because you're a sore loser.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-10-31 19:41:40 UTC
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Challenge to make something look pretty?
I only ever said functionality ...
What functionality? All you did was put together a GUI for showing the
data.
Joel
2024-10-30 03:31:00 UTC
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As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)
Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked
great.

https://code.visualstudio.com/download
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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
rbowman
2024-10-30 04:18:57 UTC
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As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)
Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.
https://code.visualstudio.com/download
And a few other languages

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/vscode

Even Cobol

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=bitlang.cobol

On this machine I have C/C++, C#, CMake, Jupyter, MicroPico for Picos with
Micropython, PlatfromIO for general embedded boards, Python, Raspberry Pi
Pico for Pico C++, and Vim emulation.

Like browser extensions some are better than others but it's easy to find
out which ones are best for whatever you're trying to do.

Best of all it is available on Windows and Linux so I'm working in the
same environment no matter which OS.
DFS
2024-10-30 15:25:22 UTC
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Post by DFS
As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)
Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.
https://code.visualstudio.com/download
And a few other languages
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/vscode
Even Cobol
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=bitlang.cobol
On this machine I have C/C++, C#, CMake, Jupyter, MicroPico for Picos with
Micropython, PlatfromIO for general embedded boards, Python, Raspberry Pi
Pico for Pico C++, and Vim emulation.
You're posting from a Raspberry Pi?
rbowman
2024-10-30 16:58:30 UTC
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On this machine I have C/C++, C#, CMake, Jupyter, MicroPico for Picos
with Micropython, PlatfromIO for general embedded boards, Python,
Raspberry Pi Pico for Pico C++, and Vim emulation.
You're posting from a Raspberry Pi?
No, I'm posting from Ubuntu. However I do have it on the Raspberry Pi 5
and it works well.

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/setup/raspberry-pi

I have it installed on two work Windows 11 machines, my Windows 11 laptop,
the Fedora, Ubuntu, and Lubuntu boxes, and the Pi.

The only machine where it isn't installed is my work Linux box. That has
32-bit Debian and Code isn't available. The legacy applications are 32-bit
and it's a royal PITA to build them on a 64-bit machine. 64-bit is out
since the legacy Esri ArcObjects is 32-bit.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-10-31 02:17:04 UTC
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The legacy applications are 32-bit
and it's a royal PITA to build them on a 64-bit machine. 64-bit is out
since the legacy Esri ArcObjects is 32-bit.
Have you tried creating a 32-bit LXC container and building the software
in that?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-10-30 05:58:26 UTC
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Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.
https://code.visualstudio.com/download
Bloated, inefficient, and not as compatible as claimed.
Joel
2024-10-30 09:47:50 UTC
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Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.
https://code.visualstudio.com/download
Bloated, inefficient, and not as compatible as claimed.
I would take your word for it ...
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
rbowman
2024-10-30 16:46:05 UTC
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Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.
https://code.visualstudio.com/download
Bloated, inefficient, and not as compatible as claimed.
I would take your word for it ...
I certainly wouldn't and I use it almost every day.
Joel
2024-10-30 16:49:39 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.
https://code.visualstudio.com/download
Bloated, inefficient, and not as compatible as claimed.
I would take your word for it ...
I certainly wouldn't and I use it almost every day.
Thanks.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-10-30 20:49:08 UTC
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Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.
https://code.visualstudio.com/download
Bloated, inefficient, and not as compatible as claimed.
I would take your word for it ...
It was claimed to be able to run Jupyter notebooks. Turns out it doesn’t
do that very well. It’ll stick to the real Jupyter.
candycanearter07
2024-11-07 21:40:03 UTC
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Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.
https://code.visualstudio.com/download
Bloated, inefficient, and not as compatible as claimed.
I personally won't touch it anymore after they forced AI stuff even
harder than usual.
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Joel
2024-11-07 21:49:51 UTC
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Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.
https://code.visualstudio.com/download
Bloated, inefficient, and not as compatible as claimed.
I personally won't touch it anymore after they forced AI stuff even
harder than usual.
Oh, I wouldn't judge them overly harshly, Win11 sucks balls, unless
you have an i9 with 64 GB RAM (or a very recent i5 or better), but VS
Code looked pretty cool (I don't specifically use it, since I don't
really code anymore, but it would be worth giving a fair chance, I
think), it shows they really do support Linux. And Skype has Copilot
for Linux, which is AI without the Win11 bloatware requirement. I
don't hate M$, I am just selective about software use.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-11-08 00:16:55 UTC
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... VS Code looked pretty cool ... it shows they really do support
Linux.
And they did it without using any of their own much-vaunted GUI
development tools. Instead they built it out of Electron, of all things.

Vote of confidence in your own platform, much?
Joel
2024-11-08 00:50:51 UTC
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... VS Code looked pretty cool ... it shows they really do support
Linux.
And they did it without using any of their own much-vaunted GUI
development tools. Instead they built it out of Electron, of all things.
Vote of confidence in your own platform, much?
Feel free not to use it, then, jeez.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2024-11-08 06:41:53 UTC
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Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro
... VS Code looked pretty cool ... it shows they really do support
Linux.
And they did it without using any of their own much-vaunted GUI
development tools. Instead they built it out of Electron, of all things.
Vote of confidence in your own platform, much?
Feel free not to use it, then, jeez.
You forget what this noisegroup is all about.

rbowman
2024-11-08 01:50:22 UTC
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... VS Code looked pretty cool ... it shows they really do support
Linux.
And they did it without using any of their own much-vaunted GUI
development tools. Instead they built it out of Electron, of all things.
Vote of confidence in your own platform, much?
And it runs on Windows, Macs, Linux, and even the Arm64 Debian derivative
used for Raspberry Pi OS.
DFS
2024-10-30 14:31:50 UTC
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As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)
Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked
great.
https://code.visualstudio.com/download
A lot of programmers on Linux use it, but it's too heavy and crammed-
interface for my tastes.
CrudeSausage
2024-10-29 00:16:06 UTC
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http://youtu.be/oSBDkPxivuA
The moment it becomes available to me, I will remove it.
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