"Microsoft has eradicated all memory of Paint 3D from the store, and its predecessor is only getting better"

[Joel]

... just like I eradicated all memory of Win11 in its entirety from my
computer.

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/microsoft-has-eradicated-all-memory-of-paint-3d-from-the-store-and-its-predecessor-is-only-getting-better/
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[DFS]

Post by Joel
... just like I eradicated all memory of Win11 in its entirety from my
computer.
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/microsoft-has-eradicated-all-memory-of-paint-3d-from-the-store-and-its-predecessor-is-only-getting-better/

I can confirm it's not available. It still shows up in the store, but
the Get button is disabled. It had a lot of 4- and 5-star reviews.

They added the "AI Image Creator" to Paint, but it requires a MS account
to use. bogus.

[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

Post by DFS
They added the "AI Image Creator" to Paint, but it requires a MS account
to use. bogus.

“MS” ... “bogus” ... but you repeat yourself.

[Joel]

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

Post by DFS
They added the "AI Image Creator" to Paint, but it requires a MS account
to use. bogus.

“MS” ... “bogus” ... but you repeat yourself.

There is an irony in DFS repeatedly assailing the M$ account thing,
but yet putting up with Winblows' more generalized shittiness. He
cares so much about the Wintendoware he runs under it, that he'll
accept the unbelievably bad design.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[rbowman]

Post by Joel

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

Post by DFS
They added the "AI Image Creator" to Paint, but it requires a MS
account to use. bogus.

“MS” ... “bogus” ... but you repeat yourself.

There is an irony in DFS repeatedly assailing the M$ account thing,
but yet putting up with Winblows' more generalized shittiness. He cares
so much about the Wintendoware he runs under it, that he'll accept the
unbelievably bad design.

theregister.com/2024/11/05/outlook_60_emails_error

I'll admit opening more than 60 emails at once seems a bit excessive but
it's good to see you can still blow out the system resources. I remember
that from Windows Me before I euthanized it with Mandrake Linux.

[DFS]

Post by rbowman

Post by Joel

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

Post by DFS
They added the "AI Image Creator" to Paint, but it requires a MS
account to use. bogus.

“MS” ... “bogus” ... but you repeat yourself.

There is an irony in DFS repeatedly assailing the M$ account thing,
but yet putting up with Winblows' more generalized shittiness. He cares
so much about the Wintendoware he runs under it, that he'll accept the
unbelievably bad design.

theregister.com/2024/11/05/outlook_60_emails_error
I'll admit opening more than 60 emails at once seems a bit excessive but
it's good to see you can still blow out the system resources. I remember
that from Windows Me before I euthanized it with Mandrake Linux.

My advice for GuhNoo idiots that want to open 60+ emails: don't do that

[Joel]

Post by DFS

Post by rbowman
theregister.com/2024/11/05/outlook_60_emails_error
I'll admit opening more than 60 emails at once seems a bit excessive but
it's good to see you can still blow out the system resources. I remember
that from Windows Me before I euthanized it with Mandrake Linux.

My advice for GuhNoo idiots that want to open 60+ emails: don't do that

It's hard to get me to open one, much less 60, then again I'm not
stuck in 1996.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[rbowman]

Post by DFS
My advice for GuhNoo idiots that want to open 60+ emails: don't do that

No fear. I doubt any GuhNoo idiots use Microsoft Outlook. I do use
https://outlook.office.com/ in a browser if I'm not at work but one email
at a time is sufficient. If I am at work it's Thunderbird with a
connection to the in house server.

[Relf]

DFS: My advice for GuhNoo idiots that want to open 60+ emails: don't do it

I regularly open 70 k lines of prior emails ( since the start of 2012 );
it's in a ( 5 meg ) .TXT file, Visual Studio (Win11) is good at searching it.

[DFS]

Post by Relf
DFS: My advice for GuhNoo idiots that want to open 60+ emails: don't do it
I regularly open 70 k lines of prior emails ( since the start of 2012 );
it's in a ( 5 meg ) .TXT file, Visual Studio (Win11) is good at searching it.

You might give Notepad++ a try and see how well it compares to VS.

[Relf]

DFS: You might give Notepad++ a try and see how well it compares to VS.

Sound Advice but I'm too lazy for that.
Notepad++ is my ( rarely used ) alternative editor.

Is Elon Musk going to head the "Department of Government Efficiency"
(DOGE) now, instead of going to jail ?

What will Trump do to/with Putin ?

Pennsylvania had Harris saying, "Drill, baby, drill".

Unlike me, Trump loves tariffs, he wants them to replace income taxes.

I agree with Trump's "localism", to wit:

Open Air meth markets are fine in Atlanta, if they want it;
just don't put them in Seattle, I say.

[CrudeSausage]

Post by Relf
DFS: You might give Notepad++ a try and see how well it compares to VS.
Sound Advice but I'm too lazy for that.
Notepad++ is my ( rarely used ) alternative editor.
Is Elon Musk going to head the "Department of Government Efficiency"
(DOGE) now, instead of going to jail ?
What will Trump do to/with Putin ?
Pennsylvania had Harris saying, "Drill, baby, drill".
Unlike me, Trump loves tariffs, he wants them to replace income taxes.
Open Air meth markets are fine in Atlanta, if they want it;
just don't put them in Seattle, I say.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with eliminating income taxes in
favour of tariffs. If a person wants to work and simply save up money to
pay for college or something, they shouldn't automatically lose a chunk
of that income because the government wants it. It was meant to be a
_temporary_ measure to pay for the First World War; there is no reason
that people are still paying for it now.

[RonB]

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by Relf
DFS: You might give Notepad++ a try and see how well it compares to VS.
Sound Advice but I'm too lazy for that.
Notepad++ is my ( rarely used ) alternative editor.
Is Elon Musk going to head the "Department of Government Efficiency"
(DOGE) now, instead of going to jail ?
What will Trump do to/with Putin ?
Pennsylvania had Harris saying, "Drill, baby, drill".
Unlike me, Trump loves tariffs, he wants them to replace income taxes.
Open Air meth markets are fine in Atlanta, if they want it;
just don't put them in Seattle, I say.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with eliminating income taxes in
favour of tariffs. If a person wants to work and simply save up money to
pay for college or something, they shouldn't automatically lose a chunk
of that income because the government wants it. It was meant to be a
_temporary_ measure to pay for the First World War; there is no reason
that people are still paying for it now.

Income taxes were originally supposed to be on corporations, not
individuals. And, as you say, they were supposed to be temporary.

[rbowman]

Post by RonB
Income taxes were originally supposed to be on corporations, not
individuals. And, as you say, they were supposed to be temporary.

When the New York State Thruway was built tolls were supposed to be
temporary until the cost of construction was recovered. No government
cash cow is ever temporary.

[RonB]

Post by rbowman

Post by RonB
Income taxes were originally supposed to be on corporations, not
individuals. And, as you say, they were supposed to be temporary.

When the New York State Thruway was built tolls were supposed to be
temporary until the cost of construction was recovered. No government
cash cow is ever temporary.

In Washington state (I believe it was in Washington, maybe in Oregon, it
maybe it crossed the state lines) they actually took down toll booths for a
bridge that had been built some (I think) 70 years ago because it was "paid
for." That is the only time I remember seeing the government quit charging
for something that was supposed to be temporary.

[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

Post by DFS
You might give Notepad++ a try and see how well it compares to VS.

What?!? You’re not saying a piece of third-party software might be
preferable to Microsoft’s own, are you??

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

Post by DFS
You might give Notepad++ a try and see how well it compares to VS.

What?!? You’re not saying a piece of third-party software might be
preferable to Microsoft’s own, are you??

Notepad++. Not Linux build, no go.

I looked at it years ago at work. A lot of stuff seemed copped from open
source. Not that I think that's bad; but it should be acknowledged.

Same with Dr. Memory vs Valgrind.

[DFS]

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

Post by DFS
You might give Notepad++ a try and see how well it compares to VS.

What?!? You’re not saying a piece of third-party software might be
preferable to Microsoft’s own, are you??

I would never say that. Everything MS has ever produced is the best.
No exceptions.

[Joel]

Post by DFS

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

Post by DFS
You might give Notepad++ a try and see how well it compares to VS.

What?!? You’re not saying a piece of third-party software might be
preferable to Microsoft’s own, are you??

I would never say that. Everything MS has ever produced is the best.
No exceptions.

Lol. ;)
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[CrudeSausage]

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

Post by DFS
You might give Notepad++ a try and see how well it compares to VS.

What?!? You’re not saying a piece of third-party software might be
preferable to Microsoft’s own, are you??

I would never say that.  Everything MS has ever produced is the best. No
exceptions.

Windows Media Player? It was the biggest piece of shit ever. Internet
Explorer? A terrible browser with a crapload of security
vulnerabilities. The original Edge? An embarrassment of a browser at a
time when Chrome was so good that nobody could avoid using it. ActiveX?
The source of most security issues in the late 90s. XPS? A crappy
alternative to PDF, etc..

[rbowman]

Post by DFS

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

Post by DFS
You might give Notepad++ a try and see how well it compares to VS.

What?!? You’re not saying a piece of third-party software might be
preferable to Microsoft’s own, are you??

I would never say that. Everything MS has ever produced is the best.
No exceptions.

You're getting as bad as Farley Fuckwad. Remember Bob?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob

"Microsoft Bob was listed seventh in PC World magazine's list of the 25
worst tech products of all time[16] and as the number-one worst product of
the decade by CNET.com.[17] It was also listed among the 50 worst
inventions in Time magazine, which called Bob "overly cutesy" and an
"operating system designed around Clippy."[18] Microsoft's Steve Ballmer
mentioned Bob as an example in which "we decided that we have not
succeeded and let's stop [now]."[19]"

Clippy staggered on for a while. I did sort of like the dog.

[Joel]

Post by rbowman

Post by DFS

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

Post by DFS
You might give Notepad++ a try and see how well it compares to VS.

What?!? You’re not saying a piece of third-party software might be
preferable to Microsoft’s own, are you??

I would never say that. Everything MS has ever produced is the best.
No exceptions.

You're getting as bad as Farley Fuckwad. Remember Bob?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob
"Microsoft Bob was listed seventh in PC World magazine's list of the 25
worst tech products of all time[16] and as the number-one worst product of
the decade by CNET.com.[17] It was also listed among the 50 worst
inventions in Time magazine, which called Bob "overly cutesy" and an
"operating system designed around Clippy."[18] Microsoft's Steve Ballmer
mentioned Bob as an example in which "we decided that we have not
succeeded and let's stop [now]."[19]"
Clippy staggered on for a while. I did sort of like the dog.

You didn't take DFS's comment as a joke?
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[rbowman]

Post by Joel
You didn't take DFS's comment as a joke?

Sometimes I take DFS as a joke.

[DFS]

Post by rbowman

Post by Joel
You didn't take DFS's comment as a joke?

Sometimes I take DFS as a joke.

You're onto me...

[rbowman]

Post by DFS

Post by rbowman

Post by Joel
You didn't take DFS's comment as a joke?

Sometimes I take DFS as a joke.

You're onto me...

theregister.com/2024/11/06/windows_server_2025_surprise'
'
Another Microsoft win! Congratulations! You're running Server 2025 whether
you want to or not.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Post by rbowman

Post by DFS

Post by rbowman

Post by Joel
You didn't take DFS's comment as a joke?

Sometimes I take DFS as a joke.

You're onto me...

theregister.com/2024/11/06/windows_server_2025_surprise'
'
Another Microsoft win! Congratulations! You're running Server 2025 whether
you want to or not.

The bigger you are, the bigger your fsckups!

I wonder if it was just a bit that got flipped, shades of Win NT 4 :-D

[DFS]

Post by Joel

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

Post by DFS
They added the "AI Image Creator" to Paint, but it requires a MS account
to use. bogus.

“MS” ... “bogus” ... but you repeat yourself.

There is an irony in DFS repeatedly assailing the M$ account thing,
but yet putting up with Winblows' more generalized shittiness.

You have some 'splainin' to do:

"I love Windows"
"I love Windows"
"I love Windows"
"I love Windows"
"I love Windows"

"I will probably never run Linux again


Why did you love Windows "shittiness" so?

Why did you give up on Linux?

Post by Joel
He cares so much about the Wintendoware he runs under it,

"Wintendoware" >>>>>>>>>> Linux hobbyware, as you know. That's why
you're still running various Win apps.

Post by Joel
that he'll accept the unbelievably bad design.

When running Windows you rarely have to deal with the bad parts of
Windows: inscrutable OS file layout, insane Registry, updates forcing
reboots that interrupt your work.

When running Linux you ALWAYS have to deal with GuhNoo/Linux (cr)apps.

[Joel]

Post by DFS

Post by Joel
There is an irony in DFS repeatedly assailing the M$ account thing,
but yet putting up with Winblows' more generalized shittiness.

"I love Windows"
"I love Windows"
"I love Windows"
"I love Windows"
"I love Windows"
"I will probably never run Linux again
Why did you love Windows "shittiness" so?

When I built this computer, in 2021, Win10 20H2 was great, Win11
through 22H2 was also great. 23H2, a mere two and a half years after
I assembled the parts, started to suck. I got out while the gettin'
was good. I've said this before, you know it.

Post by DFS
Why did you give up on Linux?

What the hell are you talking about? I built a new computer. Win10
20H2 on the old one was trash. I put Linux back on it right away, as
everyone here knows.

Post by DFS

Post by Joel
He cares so much about the Wintendoware he runs under it,

"Wintendoware" >>>>>>>>>> Linux hobbyware, as you know. That's why
you're still running various Win apps.

Three small, basically *outdated* apps, that I really enjoy using, and
work fine under Wine. Duh.

Post by DFS

Post by Joel
that he'll accept the unbelievably bad design.

When running Windows you rarely have to deal with the bad parts of
Windows: inscrutable OS file layout, insane Registry, updates forcing
reboots that interrupt your work.
When running Linux you ALWAYS have to deal with GuhNoo/Linux (cr)apps.

I just find that hyperbolic, at best.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[candycanearter07]

Post by Joel
... just like I eradicated all memory of Win11 in its entirety from my
computer.
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/microsoft-has-eradicated-all-memory-of-paint-3d-from-the-store-and-its-predecessor-is-only-getting-better/

While I prefer blender, Paint3D was a nice tool for throwing something
together and it's annoying that they killed it for seemingly no reason.

[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

... Paint3D was a nice tool for throwing something
together and it's annoying that they killed it for seemingly no reason.

No money to be made from such entry-level tools, I guess. Same with Google
SketchUp, and that Adobe thing -- Dimensions, was it?

[DFS]

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

... Paint3D was a nice tool for throwing something
together and it's annoying that they killed it for seemingly no reason.

No money to be made from such entry-level tools, I guess. Same with Google
SketchUp, and that Adobe thing -- Dimensions, was it?

That home reno show Fixer Upper used SketchUp; the designs were almost
photo-realistic.

SketchUp isn't dead. They still have a free web version, and 3
subscription plans.

The best version (Studio) is Windows-only, of course. Windows is where
you find all the best software.

[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

Post by DFS

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

... Paint3D was a nice tool for throwing something together and it's
annoying that they killed it for seemingly no reason.

No money to be made from such entry-level tools, I guess. Same with
Google SketchUp, and that Adobe thing -- Dimensions, was it?

That home reno show Fixer Upper used SketchUp; the designs were almost
photo-realistic.

They weren’t rendered in SketchUp, then.

Post by DFS
SketchUp isn't dead. They still have a free web version, and 3
subscription plans.

But no free desktop version. That’s dead and gone.

[candycanearter07]

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

Post by DFS

Post by Lawrence D'Oliveiro

... Paint3D was a nice tool for throwing something together and it's
annoying that they killed it for seemingly no reason.

No money to be made from such entry-level tools, I guess. Same with
Google SketchUp, and that Adobe thing -- Dimensions, was it?

That home reno show Fixer Upper used SketchUp; the designs were almost
photo-realistic.

They weren’t rendered in SketchUp, then.

Post by DFS
SketchUp isn't dead. They still have a free web version, and 3
subscription plans.

But no free desktop version. That’s dead and gone.

Yeah, I miss the desktop version. Having everything in a webapp is
annoying, but at the very least I can use most of the stuff I need on
linux.

[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

Post by candycanearter07
Yeah, I miss the desktop version. Having everything in a webapp is
annoying, but at the very least I can use most of the stuff I need on
linux.

Blender added that Sketchup-style “Extrude Manifold” feature a long time
ago. And it can do line-art-style renders if you want. Add to that, all
the fun you can have with the ever-growing Geometry Nodes
functionality ...