New WiFi adapter

[Joel]

PCI-e, obviously, made in China, Fenvi brand seemingly endorsed by
Newegg, ordered from the same. Debian utilized it with my home
Internet on boot up, previous motherboard-integrated WiFi was still
working but would get slow after a period of time, needing to shut
down the system and turn back on to make it fast again. The odd
antenna that magnetized to the top of the case (where would Larry put
it, if he bought this motherboard, not that he would of course, the
weirdo) is now removed, and I wiped dust off of the case and a bit
inside, while working. Pretty happy.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[Joel W. Crump]

Post by Joel
PCI-e, obviously, made in China, Fenvi brand seemingly endorsed by
Newegg, ordered from the same. Debian utilized it with my home
Internet on boot up, previous motherboard-integrated WiFi was still
working but would get slow after a period of time, needing to shut
down the system and turn back on to make it fast again. The odd
antenna that magnetized to the top of the case (where would Larry put
it, if he bought this motherboard, not that he would of course, the
weirdo) is now removed, and I wiped dust off of the case and a bit
inside, while working. Pretty happy.

Follow-up, to that, if I'd given Amazon a chance I wouldn't have bought
this thing, they have a Gigabyte AORUS PCI-e that would really match my
motherboard in a unique way, as it is a Gigabyte AORUS model itself, and
the chipset for WiFi it contains is like this card by Intel. Then
again, the computer's under four years old, and I'm already replacing
said Intel WiFi, so should I ASSume there's anything wrong with the
Newegg-offered unit? Linux is supporting it, that tells me it's safe, I
say let's see if it's good enough.

[c186282]

Post by Joel
PCI-e, obviously, made in China, Fenvi brand seemingly endorsed by
Newegg, ordered from the same. Debian utilized it with my home
Internet on boot up, previous motherboard-integrated WiFi was still
working but would get slow after a period of time, needing to shut
down the system and turn back on to make it fast again. The odd
antenna that magnetized to the top of the case (where would Larry put
it, if he bought this motherboard, not that he would of course, the
weirdo) is now removed, and I wiped dust off of the case and a bit
inside, while working. Pretty happy.

Well, we're always happy to see new, easy, devices.

Alas China ... well ... beware. Got/analyzed the
source code for those drivers ???

For cheap/useful x86 boxes, check into Beelink
and BMax. A large range to be had. For Linux,
the N90/N100 ones will provide good performance
for a very good price.

It SHOULD be a matter of PRIDE though to make
sure the included Winders does not run for a
single microsecond before you overwrite with
Linux :-)

Have several of these - various roles. All VERY
good little boxes.

NEXT up - a FreeBSD ... maybe my ultimate NAS ?

PIs are very good - for Pi stuff ... but if you
don't need all those GPIO pins then maybe a
BeeLink is what you're looking for. Somewhat
better performance too - above Pi5.

[rbowman]

It SHOULD be a matter of PRIDE though to make sure the included
Winders does not run for a single microsecond before you overwrite
with Linux

The Windows 11 on my Beelink lasted longer than a microsecond. After all
you need something to download the iso and burn it to a thumbdrive.

[c186282]

Post by rbowman

It SHOULD be a matter of PRIDE though to make sure the included
Winders does not run for a single microsecond before you overwrite
with Linux

The Windows 11 on my Beelink lasted longer than a microsecond. After all
you need something to download the iso and burn it to a thumbdrive.

NOPE !!!

Find the BIOS keystroke. Varies between
Beelink/BMax units. Sometimes <esc> or
maybe F12.

Boot direct from the thumb-drive with
the Linux ISO.

Winders doesn't have to run for a
fuckin' microsecond.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by rbowman

    It SHOULD be a matter of PRIDE though to make sure the included
    Winders does not run for a single microsecond before you overwrite
    with Linux

The Windows 11 on my Beelink lasted longer than a microsecond. After all
you need something to download the iso and burn it to a thumbdrive.

  NOPE !!!

Zakly. Doesnt have to be winders.

  Find the BIOS keystroke. Varies between
  Beelink/BMax units. Sometimes <esc> or
  maybe F12.
  Boot direct from the thumb-drive with
  the Linux ISO.
  Winders doesn't have to run for a
  fuckin' microsecond.

[rbowman]

Post by c186282

Post by rbowman

It SHOULD be a matter of PRIDE though to make sure the included
Winders does not run for a single microsecond before you overwrite
with Linux

The Windows 11 on my Beelink lasted longer than a microsecond. After
all you need something to download the iso and burn it to a thumbdrive.

NOPE !!!
Find the BIOS keystroke. Varies between Beelink/BMax units. Sometimes
<esc> or maybe F12.
Boot direct from the thumb-drive with the Linux ISO.
Winders doesn't have to run for a fuckin' microsecond.

Try reading that again, particularly the part about using Windows to
download its replacement.

[Joel]

Post by rbowman

Post by c186282

Post by rbowman

It SHOULD be a matter of PRIDE though to make sure the included
Winders does not run for a single microsecond before you overwrite
with Linux

The Windows 11 on my Beelink lasted longer than a microsecond. After
all you need something to download the iso and burn it to a thumbdrive.

NOPE !!!
Find the BIOS keystroke. Varies between Beelink/BMax units. Sometimes
<esc> or maybe F12.
Boot direct from the thumb-drive with the Linux ISO.
Winders doesn't have to run for a fuckin' microsecond.

Try reading that again, particularly the part about using Windows to
download its replacement.

I need Windows to boot Debian from GRUB* - the one tiny little piece
that's File Allocation Table. Not MS code itself, but the format they
created to get to GRUB.

* Using an NVMe drive.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[c186282]

Post by rbowman

Post by c186282

Post by rbowman

It SHOULD be a matter of PRIDE though to make sure the included
Winders does not run for a single microsecond before you overwrite
with Linux

The Windows 11 on my Beelink lasted longer than a microsecond. After
all you need something to download the iso and burn it to a thumbdrive.

NOPE !!!
Find the BIOS keystroke. Varies between Beelink/BMax units. Sometimes
<esc> or maybe F12.
Boot direct from the thumb-drive with the Linux ISO.
Winders doesn't have to run for a fuckin' microsecond.

Try reading that again, particularly the part about using Windows to
download its replacement.

I have three laptops and two desktops and a number
of PIs and BeeLink/BMax boxes - all Linux. Haven't
had Winders around the house since, gee, XP. Do have
a Win2K VM around, somewhere, for occasional retro
kicks.

Admittedly though, MOST people will make their first
Linux install stick using Winders. Tragic. I got it
started using RHEL and early SUSE that came on
floppies bought from WalMart. Never needed Win
after that. Had to deal with its BS at The Job for
a long time alas - MUCH happier with my Linux
servers and such but the staff was NOT gonna switch
to Linux, most could barely work Win. Alas only
ONE other Linux convertee in the place.

[rbowman]

Admittedly though, MOST people will make their first Linux install
stick using Winders. Tragic. I got it started using RHEL and early
SUSE that came on floppies bought from WalMart. Never needed Win
after that. Had to deal with its BS at The Job for a long time alas -
MUCH happier with my Linux servers and such but the staff was NOT
gonna switch to Linux, most could barely work Win. Alas only ONE
other Linux convertee in the place.

My first Linux was Slackware on floppies, about 40 for the full install
iirc, downloaded and created on a Windows box, strictly DIY. I do have a
SuSE box, 8.2?, with hard copy documentation and 4 DVDs. $79.99 at Best
Buy. I think that came after the Red Hat release with the notorious gcc
2.96 and screwed up Python.

However, starting with MSDOS in the '80s most of what I've worked on has
been Microsoft. The software in my current job was originally developed on
AIX. We had some shared RS6000 servers but much of the development was
done on Linux. Unfortunately we only had two sites that would run Linux
after they migrated from IBM hardware to the much less expensive x86
boxes, While the legacy programs run on Windows, they use the MKS
NutCracker runtime, sort of a commercial Cygwin. The GUIs are Motif and
run on the PTC X server from MKS.

As I've mentioned when I provision a new machine the workload is very
similar, Windows or Linux. Vim, VS Code, Postgres, QGIS, Python,
LibreOffice if I really have to read some docx proposal, node, and so
forth. I even use the dotnet SDK on Linux.

I prefer Linux but I do not hate Windows and I can operate effectively on
either. I'm not a gamer, so that doesn't matter, I've never used Office,
and I'm not tied to a prehistoric version of Access, like DFS. The only
thing tied to Windows for the most part is Esri and I'm no longer actively
developing with Esri.

[Charlie Gibbs]

Post by rbowman

Admittedly though, MOST people will make their first Linux install
stick using Winders. Tragic. I got it started using RHEL and early
SUSE that came on floppies bought from WalMart. Never needed Win
after that. Had to deal with its BS at The Job for a long time alas -
MUCH happier with my Linux servers and such but the staff was NOT
gonna switch to Linux, most could barely work Win. Alas only ONE
other Linux convertee in the place.

My first Linux was Slackware on floppies, about 40 for the full install
iirc, downloaded and created on a Windows box, strictly DIY. I do have a
SuSE box, 8.2?, with hard copy documentation and 4 DVDs. $79.99 at Best
Buy. I think that came after the Red Hat release with the notorious gcc
2.96 and screwed up Python.

When I first decided to set up a Linux box I went to the local bookstore
and looked through their Linux books and picked the one I liked best.
It happened to be by Patrick Volkerding and it came with a CD containig
Slackware 3.5. I booted and installed it from scratch on an Acer laptop
with 48MB of RAM and a 1.3GB hard drive - which in those days was enough
to run X. In fact, I took a Windows program I had written and ran it
under Wine; it displayed its GUI screen, collected data from a serial
port hooked to my Amiga, and talked via my LAN to the main processing
program that was running on a native Windows box. When I first got it
all going I sat there for 5 or 10 minutes just giggling hysterically.

These days I run Linux (currently Debian Bookworm) natively. XP under
VirtualBox gives me all the Windows stuff I need with none of the bloat
or spyware. Most of the stuff I write is back-end software for Windows
(much of it TCP/IP based) so I don't need the latest fancy GUI stuff (I
do write a few screens, but they're fairly primitive, i.e. adequate for
our needs). My programs also compile and run under Linux (gotta love
the C preprocessor) - it was a fairly easy port since I already had
them running on SCO boxes in several shops before getting into Linux.

[c186282]

Post by Charlie Gibbs

Post by rbowman

Admittedly though, MOST people will make their first Linux install
stick using Winders. Tragic. I got it started using RHEL and early
SUSE that came on floppies bought from WalMart. Never needed Win
after that. Had to deal with its BS at The Job for a long time alas -
MUCH happier with my Linux servers and such but the staff was NOT
gonna switch to Linux, most could barely work Win. Alas only ONE
other Linux convertee in the place.

My first Linux was Slackware on floppies, about 40 for the full install
iirc, downloaded and created on a Windows box, strictly DIY. I do have a
SuSE box, 8.2?, with hard copy documentation and 4 DVDs. $79.99 at Best
Buy. I think that came after the Red Hat release with the notorious gcc
2.96 and screwed up Python.

When I first decided to set up a Linux box I went to the local bookstore
and looked through their Linux books and picked the one I liked best.
It happened to be by Patrick Volkerding and it came with a CD containig
Slackware 3.5. I booted and installed it from scratch on an Acer laptop
with 48MB of RAM and a 1.3GB hard drive - which in those days was enough
to run X. In fact, I took a Windows program I had written and ran it
under Wine; it displayed its GUI screen, collected data from a serial
port hooked to my Amiga, and talked via my LAN to the main processing
program that was running on a native Windows box. When I first got it
all going I sat there for 5 or 10 minutes just giggling hysterically.
These days I run Linux (currently Debian Bookworm) natively. XP under
VirtualBox gives me all the Windows stuff I need with none of the bloat
or spyware. Most of the stuff I write is back-end software for Windows
(much of it TCP/IP based) so I don't need the latest fancy GUI stuff (I
do write a few screens, but they're fairly primitive, i.e. adequate for
our needs). My programs also compile and run under Linux (gotta love
the C preprocessor) - it was a fairly easy port since I already had
them running on SCO boxes in several shops before getting into Linux.

Tried Slack ... but it was a lot of work. Early RH was
'just easier' and SUSE far more so. Still see Slack
as a sort of 'teaching-oriented' system ... but the
number of students willing to put up with that level
of do-it-yourselfness seems to be shrinking. If it
ain't got a dazzling GUI and LEGO-style assembly for
yer phone these days then the kiddies ain't interested.

Bought a version of Oracle DB for SUSE, but for some
reason never used it for anything. Found it under a
big pile of stuff in my office when I retired.

Anyway, yea, at first a BIG pile of floppies ! :-)

Even then however, it was clear that the Linux Way
was better than the M$ way.

I too did a lot of "back-end" stuff ... services and
servers the Winders people would use, but never ever
understand. So long as it all "just worked" they kept
paying me, so ......

Some 'embedded' stuff too - solder and chips and
ASM for PICs and friends. Was always interesting
to create 'new machines'. The place used to do a
lot of research and needed devices you, then, could
not buy off the shelf. Hell, I remember when there
was barely any DOS software - if you wanted it you
had to make it yourself.

[rbowman]

Tried Slack ... but it was a lot of work. Early RH was 'just easier'
and SUSE far more so. Still see Slack as a sort of
'teaching-oriented' system ... but the number of students willing to
put up with that level of do-it-yourselfness seems to be shrinking.
If it ain't got a dazzling GUI and LEGO-style assembly for yer phone
these days then the kiddies ain't interested.

http://www.slackware.com/install/bootdisk.php

For the real old time feeling.

https://docs.slackware.com/slackware:install

The more modern type that uses one of those new-fangled CDs. afaik
Yggdrasil was the first distro to offer a CD. That one didn't survive.

[c186282]

Post by rbowman

Tried Slack ... but it was a lot of work. Early RH was 'just easier'
and SUSE far more so. Still see Slack as a sort of
'teaching-oriented' system ... but the number of students willing to
put up with that level of do-it-yourselfness seems to be shrinking.
If it ain't got a dazzling GUI and LEGO-style assembly for yer phone
these days then the kiddies ain't interested.

http://www.slackware.com/install/bootdisk.php
For the real old time feeling.
https://docs.slackware.com/slackware:install
The more modern type that uses one of those new-fangled CDs. afaik
Yggdrasil was the first distro to offer a CD. That one didn't survive.

Ah ... blasts from the past :-)

But those WERE the beginning of a Whole New Thing.

[c186282]

Post by rbowman

Admittedly though, MOST people will make their first Linux install
stick using Winders. Tragic. I got it started using RHEL and early
SUSE that came on floppies bought from WalMart. Never needed Win
after that. Had to deal with its BS at The Job for a long time alas -
MUCH happier with my Linux servers and such but the staff was NOT
gonna switch to Linux, most could barely work Win. Alas only ONE
other Linux convertee in the place.

My first Linux was Slackware on floppies, about 40 for the full install
iirc, downloaded and created on a Windows box, strictly DIY. I do have a
SuSE box, 8.2?, with hard copy documentation and 4 DVDs. $79.99 at Best
Buy. I think that came after the Red Hat release with the notorious gcc
2.96 and screwed up Python.

I did buy Slack somewhere in there - but RH and SUSE
were far easier to deal with.

Post by rbowman
However, starting with MSDOS in the '80s most of what I've worked on has
been Microsoft. The software in my current job was originally developed on
AIX. We had some shared RS6000 servers but much of the development was
done on Linux. Unfortunately we only had two sites that would run Linux
after they migrated from IBM hardware to the much less expensive x86
boxes, While the legacy programs run on Windows, they use the MKS
NutCracker runtime, sort of a commercial Cygwin. The GUIs are Motif and
run on the PTC X server from MKS.

I 'started' on a PDP-11. Then all the brands of the
newfangled 'home computers'. DOS came along later.
Learned some OS-9 on a CoCo before I ever learned DOS.
OS-9 used to brag that it was "like Unix" - only much
smaller and faster :-)

Post by rbowman
As I've mentioned when I provision a new machine the workload is very
similar, Windows or Linux. Vim, VS Code, Postgres, QGIS, Python,
LibreOffice if I really have to read some docx proposal, node, and so
forth. I even use the dotnet SDK on Linux.

Linux and apps CAN do it all these days ... or at
least the 99% that isn't strict M$ proprietary.

Post by rbowman
I prefer Linux but I do not hate Windows and I can operate effectively on
either. I'm not a gamer, so that doesn't matter, I've never used Office,
and I'm not tied to a prehistoric version of Acdcess, like DFS. The only
thing tied to Windows for the most part is Esri and I'm no longer actively
developing with Esri.

I did come to just hate Winders. It was always
a big kludge and every version changed the
kludges. Later on, they 'dumbed it down' and
made it much harder to do any precision OS work.
The sheer scale and depth of the permissions/
ownership stuff now is breathtaking - and does
NOT seem to keep Vlad and Xi out of things in
the least - just makes it harder for YOU to see
who's messing with yer stuff.

[rbowman]

I 'started' on a PDP-11. Then all the brands of the newfangled 'home
computers'. DOS came along later. Learned some OS-9 on a CoCo before
I ever learned DOS.
OS-9 used to brag that it was "like Unix" - only much smaller and
faster

Yeah, there was a PDP-11 in my distant past too. Being Boston it ran a
*nix that fell off the back of a truck. I preferred my CP/M box for most
things. A 8048 cross assembler for the PDP was very expensive so I wrote
my own on CP/M.

I never did like multiuser systems. Mine! All mine!.

[Joel]

Post by rbowman

It SHOULD be a matter of PRIDE though to make sure the included
Winders does not run for a single microsecond before you overwrite
with Linux

The Windows 11 on my Beelink lasted longer than a microsecond. After all
you need something to download the iso and burn it to a thumbdrive.

GMTA.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Post by rbowman

It SHOULD be a matter of PRIDE though to make sure the included
Winders does not run for a single microsecond before you overwrite
with Linux

The Windows 11 on my Beelink lasted longer than a microsecond. After all
you need something to download the iso and burn it to a thumbdrive.

I still have Win 11 on my Trycoo mini PC. I need it to make sure my code
builds and runs in that OS. Also, getting code to run in more than one platform
tends to ferret out undesirable assumptions.

I do begrudge every minute logged into Windows, even with VLC streaming Groove
Salad.
--
The Least Successful Defrosting Device
The all-time record here is held by Mr. Peter Rowlands of Lancaster
whose lips became frozen to his lock in 1979 while blowing warm air on it.
"I got down on my knees to breathe into the lock. Somehow my lips
got stuck fast."
While he was in the posture, an old lady passed an inquired if he
was all right. "Alra? Igmmlptk", he replied at which point she ran away.
"I tried to tell her what had happened, but it came out sort of...
muffled," explained Mr. Rowlands, a pottery designer.
He was trapped for twenty minutes ("I felt a bit foolish") until
constant hot breathing brought freedom. He was subsequently nicknamed "Hot
Lips".
-- Stephen Pile, "The Book of Heroic Failures"

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Chris Ahlstrom

Post by rbowman

It SHOULD be a matter of PRIDE though to make sure the included
Winders does not run for a single microsecond before you overwrite
with Linux

The Windows 11 on my Beelink lasted longer than a microsecond. After all
you need something to download the iso and burn it to a thumbdrive.

I still have Win 11 on my Trycoo mini PC. I need it to make sure my code
builds and runs in that OS. Also, getting code to run in more than one platform
tends to ferret out undesirable assumptions.

I've still got XP running in a virtual machine. It runs Corel suite, a
specialist engineering program, and a 3D CAD package.

It is all fully integrated with the linux desktop in terms of file
interchange.
It is purely a program launcher for the programs it runs. It has proved
useful in the past to access banking websites that wouldn't work with a
linux browser.

Post by Chris Ahlstrom
I do begrudge every minute logged into Windows, even with VLC streaming Groove
Salad.

???WTF??? logged into windows? I just hit the button marked 'Windows XP'
and there is windows already up and running, exactly where I left it. In
less than 5 seconds...

The joys of Virtual Box

[Joel]

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Chris Ahlstrom

Post by rbowman

It SHOULD be a matter of PRIDE though to make sure the included
Winders does not run for a single microsecond before you overwrite
with Linux

The Windows 11 on my Beelink lasted longer than a microsecond. After all
you need something to download the iso and burn it to a thumbdrive.

I still have Win 11 on my Trycoo mini PC. I need it to make sure my code
builds and runs in that OS. Also, getting code to run in more than one platform
tends to ferret out undesirable assumptions.

I've still got XP running in a virtual machine. It runs Corel suite, a
specialist engineering program, and a 3D CAD package.

The ability to run unactivated VMs of XP SP3, 7, 10/11 is something to
credit MS for.

Post by The Natural Philosopher
It is all fully integrated with the linux desktop in terms of file
interchange.
It is purely a program launcher for the programs it runs. It has proved
useful in the past to access banking websites that wouldn't work with a
linux browser.

Very interesting.

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Chris Ahlstrom
I do begrudge every minute logged into Windows, even with VLC streaming Groove
Salad.

???WTF??? logged into windows? I just hit the button marked 'Windows XP'
and there is windows already up and running, exactly where I left it. In
less than 5 seconds...
The joys of Virtual Box

Running XP VMs seems more fruitful than booting Win11 or even Win10.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Chris Ahlstrom

Post by rbowman

It SHOULD be a matter of PRIDE though to make sure the included
Winders does not run for a single microsecond before you overwrite
with Linux

The Windows 11 on my Beelink lasted longer than a microsecond. After all
you need something to download the iso and burn it to a thumbdrive.

I still have Win 11 on my Trycoo mini PC. I need it to make sure my code
builds and runs in that OS. Also, getting code to run in more than one
platform tends to ferret out undesirable assumptions.

I've still got XP running in a virtual machine. It runs Corel suite, a
specialist engineering program, and a 3D CAD package.
It is all fully integrated with the linux desktop in terms of file
interchange. It is purely a program launcher for the programs it runs. It
has proved useful in the past to access banking websites that wouldn't work
with a linux browser.

Post by Chris Ahlstrom
I do begrudge every minute logged into Windows, even with VLC streaming
Groove Salad.

???WTF??? logged into windows? I just hit the button marked 'Windows XP' and
there is windows already up and running, exactly where I left it. In less
than 5 seconds...
The joys of Virtual Box

I have Win 10 in Virtual Box. The mini PC came with Win 11 Pro at not much more
than the cost of Win 11 Pro alone.

I supposed I could convert Win 11 to a VM (I did that years ago with XP).
Probably would require activation, who knows. Who cares.

[DFS]

Post by Chris Ahlstrom
I do begrudge every minute logged into Windows

Puhleez Creepy. Because of your Windows jobs you're sitting there
comfortably retired, not a financial care in the world.

[Joel]

Post by c186282

Post by Joel
PCI-e, obviously, made in China, Fenvi brand seemingly endorsed by
Newegg, ordered from the same. Debian utilized it with my home
Internet on boot up, previous motherboard-integrated WiFi was still
working but would get slow after a period of time, needing to shut
down the system and turn back on to make it fast again. The odd
antenna that magnetized to the top of the case (where would Larry put
it, if he bought this motherboard, not that he would of course, the
weirdo) is now removed, and I wiped dust off of the case and a bit
inside, while working. Pretty happy.

Well, we're always happy to see new, easy, devices.
Alas China ... well ... beware. Got/analyzed the
source code for those drivers ???

Are they not in the kernel?

Post by c186282
For cheap/useful x86 boxes, check into Beelink
and BMax. A large range to be had. For Linux,
the N90/N100 ones will provide good performance
for a very good price.
It SHOULD be a matter of PRIDE though to make
sure the included Winders does not run for a
single microsecond before you overwrite with
Linux :-)

Not even to create a USB media to install Linux with?

Post by c186282
Have several of these - various roles. All VERY
good little boxes.
NEXT up - a FreeBSD ... maybe my ultimate NAS ?
PIs are very good - for Pi stuff ... but if you
don't need all those GPIO pins then maybe a
BeeLink is what you're looking for. Somewhat
better performance too - above Pi5.

I merely want the replacement for Winblows, I had a Windows 11 PC, I
felt unsupported by M$, Mint, openSUSE and Debian have supported me.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[c186282]

Post by Joel

Post by c186282

Post by Joel
PCI-e, obviously, made in China, Fenvi brand seemingly endorsed by
Newegg, ordered from the same. Debian utilized it with my home
Internet on boot up, previous motherboard-integrated WiFi was still
working but would get slow after a period of time, needing to shut
down the system and turn back on to make it fast again. The odd
antenna that magnetized to the top of the case (where would Larry put
it, if he bought this motherboard, not that he would of course, the
weirdo) is now removed, and I wiped dust off of the case and a bit
inside, while working. Pretty happy.

Well, we're always happy to see new, easy, devices.
Alas China ... well ... beware. Got/analyzed the
source code for those drivers ???

Are they not in the kernel?

Go ahead ... read a megabyte, figure out
what it all does ......

Clue, NOBODY does.

[Joel]

Post by c186282

Post by Joel

Post by c186282

Post by Joel
PCI-e, obviously, made in China, Fenvi brand seemingly endorsed by
Newegg, ordered from the same. Debian utilized it with my home
Internet on boot up, previous motherboard-integrated WiFi was still
working but would get slow after a period of time, needing to shut
down the system and turn back on to make it fast again. The odd
antenna that magnetized to the top of the case (where would Larry put
it, if he bought this motherboard, not that he would of course, the
weirdo) is now removed, and I wiped dust off of the case and a bit
inside, while working. Pretty happy.

Well, we're always happy to see new, easy, devices.
Alas China ... well ... beware. Got/analyzed the
source code for those drivers ???

Are they not in the kernel?

Go ahead ... read a megabyte, figure out
what it all does ......
Clue, NOBODY does.

If Linus and his associates approve code, it's good enough for me. I
am a software whore, really, installing things not found in Debian's
app store.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Post by Joel

Post by c186282

Post by Joel

Post by c186282

Post by Joel
PCI-e, obviously, made in China, Fenvi brand seemingly endorsed by
Newegg, ordered from the same. Debian utilized it with my home
Internet on boot up, previous motherboard-integrated WiFi was still
working but would get slow after a period of time, needing to shut
down the system and turn back on to make it fast again. The odd
antenna that magnetized to the top of the case (where would Larry put
it, if he bought this motherboard, not that he would of course, the
weirdo) is now removed, and I wiped dust off of the case and a bit
inside, while working. Pretty happy.

Well, we're always happy to see new, easy, devices.
Alas China ... well ... beware. Got/analyzed the
source code for those drivers ???

Are they not in the kernel?

Go ahead ... read a megabyte, figure out
what it all does ......
Clue, NOBODY does.

Wrong. As proven by numerous vulnerability CVEs.

https://linuxsecurity.com/news/security-vulnerabilities

Post by Joel
If Linus and his associates approve code, it's good enough for me. I
am a software whore, really, installing things not found in Debian's
app store.

--
'Twas midnight, and the UNIX hacks
Did gyre and gimble in their cave
All mimsy was the CS-VAX
And Cory raths outgrabe.

"Beware the software rot, my son!
The faults that bite, the jobs that thrash!
Beware the broken pipe, and shun
The frumious system crash!"

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Joel

Post by Joel
PCI-e, obviously, made in China, Fenvi brand seemingly endorsed by
Newegg, ordered from the same.  Debian utilized it with my home
Internet on boot up, previous motherboard-integrated WiFi was still
working but would get slow after a period of time, needing to shut
down the system and turn back on to make it fast again.  The odd
antenna that magnetized to the top of the case (where would Larry put
it, if he bought this motherboard, not that he would of course, the
weirdo) is now removed, and I wiped dust off of the case and a bit
inside, while working.  Pretty happy.

   Well, we're always happy to see new, easy, devices.
   Alas China ... well ... beware. Got/analyzed the
   source code for those drivers ???

Are they not in the kernel?

  Go ahead ... read a megabyte, figure out
  what it all does ......
  Clue, NOBODY does.

Many people do and more have the capability to find out.
Not tens of thousands, but more than a few hundred

[Joel]

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Joel

Post by Joel
PCI-e, obviously, made in China, Fenvi brand seemingly endorsed by
Newegg, ordered from the same.  Debian utilized it with my home
Internet on boot up, previous motherboard-integrated WiFi was still
working but would get slow after a period of time, needing to shut
down the system and turn back on to make it fast again.  The odd
antenna that magnetized to the top of the case (where would Larry put
it, if he bought this motherboard, not that he would of course, the
weirdo) is now removed, and I wiped dust off of the case and a bit
inside, while working.  Pretty happy.

   Well, we're always happy to see new, easy, devices.
   Alas China ... well ... beware. Got/analyzed the
   source code for those drivers ???

Are they not in the kernel?

  Go ahead ... read a megabyte, figure out
  what it all does ......
  Clue, NOBODY does.

Many people do and more have the capability to find out.
Not tens of thousands, but more than a few hundred

I didn't want to look at any source code for anything. But Debian
recognized the new adapter automatically, just like Windows would. I
even have a souvenir miniature CD-ROM with Windows drivers, as if I
have an optical drive.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.