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Give all the drug users and addicts free drugs!
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Progress
2024-09-16 08:29:12 UTC
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If they OD and kill themselves, there won't be a drug problem.

We could solve this whole drug abuse issue in 72 hours and have plenty of
materials for biofuel or fertilizer.

Let's get it done.
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-16 15:18:38 UTC
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Post by Progress
If they OD and kill themselves, there won't be a drug problem.
We could solve this whole drug abuse issue in 72 hours and have plenty of
materials for biofuel or fertilizer.
Let's get it done.
That is about the dumbest solution to a real problem that
I have read. It goes right along with the Filipino dictator who
had dealers shot on arrest and mere users jailed.
The assumption on your part is that the drugs of choice
are deadly. Most are not. The purvyers of illegal drugs have
made them mode deadly by dilution with Fentanyl. If pharmeceutical
companies were to supply the drugs they would provide measured
doses which is how before the Harrison Narcotic Act of 1917
people addicted dure to illness or war wounds were treated.
Most of these folks worked for a living at a trade or profession.
the HNA/1917 created the class of junkies.

bliss
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Joel
2024-09-16 16:02:25 UTC
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Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Progress
If they OD and kill themselves, there won't be a drug problem.
We could solve this whole drug abuse issue in 72 hours and have plenty of
materials for biofuel or fertilizer.
Let's get it done.
That is about the dumbest solution to a real problem that
I have read. It goes right along with the Filipino dictator who
had dealers shot on arrest and mere users jailed.
The assumption on your part is that the drugs of choice
are deadly. Most are not. The purvyers of illegal drugs have
made them mode deadly by dilution with Fentanyl. If pharmeceutical
companies were to supply the drugs they would provide measured
doses which is how before the Harrison Narcotic Act of 1917
people addicted dure to illness or war wounds were treated.
Most of these folks worked for a living at a trade or profession.
the HNA/1917 created the class of junkies.
The drugs I use aren't fatal in the doses I use them. Maybe
"Progress" wants me to take twice as much (which I have) DXM or more,
but I like living.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
%
2024-09-16 16:38:18 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Progress
If they OD and kill themselves, there won't be a drug problem.
We could solve this whole drug abuse issue in 72 hours and have plenty of
materials for biofuel or fertilizer.
Let's get it done.
That is about the dumbest solution to a real problem that
I have read. It goes right along with the Filipino dictator who
had dealers shot on arrest and mere users jailed.
The assumption on your part is that the drugs of choice
are deadly. Most are not. The purvyers of illegal drugs have
made them mode deadly by dilution with Fentanyl. If pharmeceutical
companies were to supply the drugs they would provide measured
doses which is how before the Harrison Narcotic Act of 1917
people addicted dure to illness or war wounds were treated.
Most of these folks worked for a living at a trade or profession.
the HNA/1917 created the class of junkies.
The drugs I use aren't fatal in the doses I use them. Maybe
"Progress" wants me to take twice as much (which I have) DXM or more,
but I like living.
i have more than anything you have ,
including good looks , charm and money
Joel
2024-09-17 05:54:20 UTC
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i have more than anything you have ,
including good looks , charm and money
But I have a GF.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Scout
2024-09-18 15:13:24 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by %
i have more than anything you have ,
including good looks , charm and money
But I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2024-09-18 16:47:02 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Joel
Post by %
i have more than anything you have ,
including good looks , charm and money
But I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
Geez, is he *still* fantasizing about having a girl friend?
Scout
2024-09-18 19:08:59 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
Post by %
i have more than anything you have ,
including good looks , charm and money
But I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
Geez, is he *still* fantasizing about having a girl friend?
Well, when fantasy girl friends are all he can get......
Joel
2024-09-18 19:49:33 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
Post by %
i have more than anything you have ,
including good looks , charm and money
But I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
Geez, is he *still* fantasizing about having a girl friend?
If I see her as a woman, what difference does it make that she has a
dick?
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
citizen winston smith
2024-09-18 19:55:20 UTC
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Post by Joel
If I see her as a woman, what difference does it make that she has a
dick?
-- Joel W. Crump
Makes you a pretend faggot, or a pseudo-straight oaf.
Joel
2024-09-18 20:02:08 UTC
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Post by citizen winston smith
Post by Joel
If I see her as a woman, what difference does it make that she has a
dick?
Makes you a pretend faggot, or a pseudo-straight oaf.
Or a guy with a different taste and an open mind. My GF is a person,
our friendship is just like it would be with any person.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2024-09-18 20:03:30 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by citizen winston smith
Post by Joel
If I see her as a woman, what difference does it make that she has a
dick?
Makes you a pretend faggot, or a pseudo-straight oaf.
Or a guy with a different taste and an open mind. My GF is a person,
our friendship is just like it would be with any person.
He's still a male, not a woman.
Joel
2024-09-18 20:14:33 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by citizen winston smith
Post by Joel
If I see her as a woman, what difference does it make that she has a
dick?
Makes you a pretend faggot, or a pseudo-straight oaf.
Or a guy with a different taste and an open mind. My GF is a person,
our friendship is just like it would be with any person.
He's still a male, not a woman.
That's transphobic ignorance.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2024-09-18 20:22:34 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by citizen winston smith
Post by Joel
If I see her as a woman, what difference does it make that she has a
dick?
Makes you a pretend faggot, or a pseudo-straight oaf.
Or a guy with a different taste and an open mind. My GF is a person,
our friendship is just like it would be with any person.
He's still a male, not a woman.
That's transphobic ignorance.
That's scientific fact.

o He's never been a woman
o He's not a woman now
o He'll never be a woman.

This might help you.
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Scout
2024-09-19 15:21:00 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by citizen winston smith
Post by Joel
If I see her as a woman, what difference does it make that she has a
dick?
Makes you a pretend faggot, or a pseudo-straight oaf.
Or a guy with a different taste and an open mind. My GF is a person,
our friendship is just like it would be with any person.
He's still a male, not a woman.
That's transphobic ignorance.
So according to you reality = transphobic ignorance?

Then you wonder why we consider you delusional.

The ONLY person here who can't accept him as he is seems to be..... Well..
YOU!

Hardly sounds like a good basis for a lasting relationship....
Joel
2024-09-23 00:54:03 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Joel
He's [a transgender woman] still a male, not a woman.
That's transphobic ignorance.
So according to you reality = transphobic ignorance?
Then you wonder why we consider you delusional.
The ONLY person here who can't accept him as he is seems to be..... Well..
YOU!
Hardly sounds like a good basis for a lasting relationship....
She is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
reid
2024-09-23 02:08:13 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
He's [a transgender woman] still a male, not a woman.
That's transphobic ignorance.
So according to you reality = transphobic ignorance?
Then you wonder why we consider you delusional.
The ONLY person here who can't accept him as he is seems to be..... Well..
YOU!
Hardly sounds like a good basis for a lasting relationship....
She is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Joel
2024-09-23 02:52:45 UTC
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Post by reid
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2024-09-23 11:20:25 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by reid
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
That's scientific fact.

o He's never been a woman
o He's not a woman now
o He'll never be a woman.

This might help you.
https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg
Joel
2024-09-23 22:39:05 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by reid
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
That's scientific fact.
o He's never been a woman
o He's not a woman now
o He'll never be a woman.
This might help you.
https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg
You're a transphobe.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2024-09-23 23:36:33 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by reid
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
That's scientific fact.
o He's never been a woman
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
o He's not a woman now
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
o He'll never be a woman.
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
This might help you.
https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
You're a transphobe.
Once again. Joel tried-- and fails -- to weaponize 'phobia' to avoid
debating arguments he can't hope to win.

LOL
Lisa
2024-09-24 00:27:05 UTC
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In article <***@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com>
Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentö***@gmail.com> wrote:

<crickets>
Joel
2024-09-24 00:32:22 UTC
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Post by Lisa
<crickets>
I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
retardation.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
%
2024-09-24 00:54:46 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Lisa
<crickets>
I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
retardation.
oh yes you will it's what you do
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-24 03:33:00 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Lisa
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<crickets>
I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
retardation.
oh yes you will it's what you do
Well you keep baiting Joel and he is foolish enough to respond.

None of the nasty attackers of the status of Transgender women have
answered my basic question.
How many transgender women do you know? Remember drag queens whether
amateur of professional are not TG women except in very rare
cases.
If you know people involved you might not be so firm in your
assertion.

bliss -the very tired retired nurse.
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Klaus Schadenfreude
2024-09-24 10:49:25 UTC
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Post by %
Post by Joel
Post by Lisa
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<crickets>
I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
retardation.
oh yes you will it's what you do
Well you keep baiting Joel and he is foolish enough to respond.
None of the nasty attackers of the status of Transgender women have
answered my basic question.
Nobody has "attacked" anyone's status.

Men who pretend to be women have the same rights as anyone else.

They also have the right to access mental health care, which they
should use.
Scout
2024-09-24 14:22:46 UTC
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Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by %
Post by Joel
Post by Lisa
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<crickets>
I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
retardation.
oh yes you will it's what you do
Well you keep baiting Joel and he is foolish enough to respond.
None of the nasty attackers of the status of Transgender women have
answered my basic question.
How many transgender women do you know?
Do you mean a woman who dresses as a man or a man who dresses as a woman?

Are you using woman literally or figuratively?
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-24 15:31:15 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by %
Post by Joel
Post by Lisa
In article
<crickets>
I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
retardation.
oh yes you will it's what you do
Well you keep baiting Joel and he is foolish enough to respond.
None of the nasty attackers of the status of Transgender women have
answered my basic question.
How many transgender women do you know?
Do you mean a woman who dresses as a man or a man who dresses as a woman?
Are you using woman literally or figuratively?
You see you know nothing about trangender folks at all.

Gender and sex are two different things which you confuse.

A gender conflicted person is designated as trangender womon though
girl might be better as they will never have children from their
body or experience menses. But "transgender woman" is less dismissive
of personal achievements & experience.

Transgender men on the other hand may have children and may
experience menses but are very uncomfortable with these sometimes
having really painful periods which may exhaberate the transgender
conflict.

When I grew up their was no term to apply to feelings like this
and if a person cross-dressed they were simply called transvestites or
in some circumstances drag queens or kings. I remember reading a novel
at one time set in LA where two transvestites, married, were waiting at
a bus stop and i thought that an ideal solution for them.

bliss
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Scout
2024-09-25 14:43:57 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by %
Post by Joel
Post by Lisa
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<crickets>
I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
retardation.
oh yes you will it's what you do
Well you keep baiting Joel and he is foolish enough to respond.
None of the nasty attackers of the status of Transgender women have
answered my basic question.
How many transgender women do you know?
Do you mean a woman who dresses as a man or a man who dresses as a woman?
Are you using woman literally or figuratively?
You see you know nothing about trangender folks at all.
Gender and sex are two different things which you confuse.
Post your degree
Weakling Walz
2024-09-25 18:43:11 UTC
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Post by %
Post by Joel
Post by Lisa
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<crickets>
I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
retardation.
oh yes you will it's what you do
    Well you keep baiting Joel and he is foolish enough to respond.
    None of the nasty attackers of the status of Transgender women have
answered my basic question.
    How many transgender women do you know? Remember drag queens
There is no such thing as a "transgender". It's a mental creation in
the mind of a sick person and those who get off on promoting silliness
like that.
whether amateur of professional are not TG women except in very rare
cases.
    If you know people involved you might not be so firm in your
assertion.
    bliss -the very tired retired nurse.
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-25 20:51:13 UTC
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Post by %
Post by Joel
Post by Lisa
In article
<crickets>
I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
retardation.
oh yes you will it's what you do
     Well you keep baiting Joel and he is foolish enough to respond.
     None of the nasty attackers of the status of Transgender women
have answered my basic question.
     How many transgender women do you know? Remember drag queens
There is no such thing as a "transgender".  It's a mental creation in
the mind of a sick person and those who get off on promoting silliness
like that.
whether amateur of professional are not TG women except in very rare
cases.
     If you know people involved you might not be so firm in your
assertion.
     bliss -the very tired retired nurse.
Now you are just trolling and my previouos posts have pointed

out that this term was first used by Dr.Harry Benjamin in the 1960s
It was part of a scale that started at Transgender and went in steps
to Transsexual which meant if a doctor said you were you could have
the rather primitive then and not much better now Gender Reassignment
Surgery. This is a mere reshaping of the external genitalia. It follows
a lengthy periood of hormonal therapy to reshape some sexual
characteristics.
Now if you are at the level of the comic book I will point
out a Japanese manga(comic book by a mangaka who went to Thailand
where surgery is very cheap (from the USA POV) and describes the
mangaka's surgery in detail.
UMARERU SEIBETSU WO MACHIGAETA! Manga
Umareru Seibetsu o Machigaeta! The Difference Between Men and Women!
Released: 2016
Author & Artist: Konishi Mafuyu
Genre(s): Gender Bender, Seinen, Slice Of Life
In any event Willie I will no longer be seeing
your posts because of your self description.

bliss-ancient of days wise in many way but not a coder.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2024-09-24 10:47:48 UTC
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Post by Lisa
<crickets>
I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
facts.

Because you can't.
Scout
2024-09-24 14:19:30 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Lisa
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<crickets>
I'm not going to waste time, repetitively refuting Klaus's
retardation.
You would if you could, but since you can't you're left with name
calling..... That certainly shows your maturity.... or lack of
Scout
2024-09-24 14:18:37 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by reid
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
That's scientific fact.
o He's never been a woman
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
o He's not a woman now
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
o He'll never be a woman.
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
This might help you.
https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
You're a transphobe.
Once again. Joel tried-- and fails -- to weaponize 'phobia' to avoid
debating arguments he can't hope to win.
LOL
The mental illness and denial is deep within the one known as Joel.
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-24 15:42:04 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
problem with "basis
for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you
aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
That's scientific fact.
o   He's never been a woman
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
o   He's not a woman now
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
o   He'll never be a woman.
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
This might help you.
https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
You're a transphobe.
Once again. Joel tried-- and fails -- to weaponize  'phobia'  to avoid
debating arguments he can't hope to win.
LOL
The mental illness and denial is deep within the one known as Joel.
Now where did you get your psychiatic degree?

And who is calling others names and labeling?

You guys denying the transgender reality are putting out
an ignorant POV. If you read the Bible there are remarks about
those who make themselves Eunuchs for the sake of G*d. So
transgenderism has been around since BC times. Of course the
RC Church interprets this as the celibacy of priests but
since they have so much trouble with keeping their hands
off women and children I think they should face the fact that
this remark in the Bible is to be taken more literally.
They even deny orders to Eunuchs which once were quite popular
in that in order to keep youthful voices they castrated a
good many male children to keep them in the chorus. Of
course later on the Castrati emerged as a entertainment
option.
Very powerful voices and for some reason attractive
to women.

bliss
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Scout
2024-09-25 14:43:31 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by reid
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
That's scientific fact.
o He's never been a woman
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
o He's not a woman now
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
o He'll never be a woman.
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
This might help you.
https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
You're a transphobe.
Once again. Joel tried-- and fails -- to weaponize 'phobia' to avoid
debating arguments he can't hope to win.
LOL
The mental illness and denial is deep within the one known as Joel.
Now where did you get your psychiatic degree?
Please list all your degree so that we can be insure you only talk about
subjects you have a degree in.. until then, by your own standards you have
nothing to say.. about anything.
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-25 18:08:19 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Scout
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
problem with "basis
for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you
aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
That's scientific fact.
o   He's never been a woman
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
o   He's not a woman now
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
o   He'll never be a woman.
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
This might help you.
https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
You're a transphobe.
Once again. Joel tried-- and fails -- to weaponize  'phobia'  to avoid
debating arguments he can't hope to win.
LOL
The mental illness and denial is deep within the one known as Joel.
Now where did you get your psychiatic degree?
Please list all your degree so that we can be insure you only talk about
subjects you have a degree in.. until then, by your own standards you
have nothing to say.. about anything.
I was trained as neuprpsychiatric nursing technician in the
USN back in the days when Group Therapy was the big thing. Tranquilizers
were limited in action and gave rise to Tardive Dyskensia (sic) before
there were any medications to ameliorate that condition. We calmed down
the hyper-active with cold baths. Electroshock was still in vogue.

But I never would diagnose an psychiatric disorder and left that
to MDs some of whom needed a diagnosis themselves to judge by behavior.

You demonstrate by your words, a problem with people who identify as
transgender. i have on the other hand in San Francisco
met many who came to the San Francisco Bay Area to attempt to find
a more receptive atmosphere for their condition. Some were reduced
to prostitution but many more had already had successful careers
and even fruitful marriages.

I have never met Joel in person but his choice of companion
is no big matter for discussion. That person identifies as a woman
despite external anatomy. Did you know that studies reveal the
transgender brain is more like the brain of the opposite sex?

Due to the fact that the person providing the brain for
study is deceased few total studies of transgender brains have
been done but that is what they have found so far.

bliss - claiming no degrees but lots of training and reading.
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Scout
2024-09-26 14:09:17 UTC
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Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Scout
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Scout
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by reid
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
That's scientific fact.
o He's never been a woman
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
o He's not a woman now
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
o He'll never be a woman.
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
This might help you.
https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg
<CRICKETS>
Post by Joel
You're a transphobe.
Once again. Joel tried-- and fails -- to weaponize 'phobia' to avoid
debating arguments he can't hope to win.
LOL
The mental illness and denial is deep within the one known as Joel.
Now where did you get your psychiatic degree?
Please list all your degree so that we can be insure you only talk about
subjects you have a degree in.. until then, by your own standards you
have nothing to say.. about anything.
I was trained as
Sorry, if you don't have a degree it means nothing according to your
established standards.
Scout
2024-09-24 14:17:49 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by reid
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
That's scientific fact.
o He's never been a woman
o He's not a woman now
o He'll never be a woman.
This might help you.
https://i.imgur.com/O0zSve9.jpg
You're a transphobe.
You're the one who refuses to accept him as he is.

You spend half your time telling us he isn't what he is and the other half
trying to justify your refusal to accept him as he is.

Seems to me the only one that is a transphobe is the person refusing to
recognize a cross dressing gay man for what he is... a cross dressing gay
man.
Scout
2024-09-24 14:15:04 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by reid
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
That's scientific fact.
Do you know that scientific fact is so last week..

Today we've established that bullets can't kill if fired directly into your
skull..

Joel will now have to prove he's keeping up with the times by doing so.
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-24 15:50:34 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you aren't
is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
That's scientific fact.
Do you know that scientific fact is so last week..
Today we've established that bullets can't kill if fired directly into
your skull..
Joel will now have to prove he's keeping up with the times by doing so.
Joel will let you go first but as far as killing people with
bullets to the brain, back in the 19th Century a Native American was
shot in the head. He got back on his horse, rode into town, found
the man who shot him then killed him and died.

Will does not reside only in the brain. You have more neurons
in your gut than you have in your brain.

But what test subjects did you use for extablishing your
scientific fact? Did you publish in a peer-reviewed journal?

Please provide references as a URL.

bliss
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%
2024-09-24 15:53:47 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
problem with "basis
for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you aren't
is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
That's scientific fact.
Do you know that scientific fact is so last week..
Today we've established that bullets can't kill if fired directly into
your skull..
Joel will now have to prove he's keeping up with the times by doing so.
    Joel will let you go first but as far as killing people with
bullets to the brain, back in the 19th Century a Native American was
shot in the head.  He got back on his horse, rode into town, found
the man who shot him then killed him and died.
    Will does not reside only in the brain. You have more neurons
in your gut than you have in your brain.
    But what test subjects did you use for extablishing your
scientific fact? Did you publish in a peer-reviewed journal?
    Please provide references as a URL.
    bliss
oh shut the fk up
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-24 18:15:24 UTC
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Post by %
Post by Scout
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
problem with "basis
for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you
aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
That's scientific fact.
Do you know that scientific fact is so last week..
Today we've established that bullets can't kill if fired directly
into your skull..
Joel will now have to prove he's keeping up with the times by doing so.
     Joel will let you go first but as far as killing people with
bullets to the brain, back in the 19th Century a Native American was
shot in the head.  He got back on his horse, rode into town, found
the man who shot him then killed him and died.
     Will does not reside only in the brain. You have more neurons
in your gut than you have in your brain.
     But what test subjects did you use for extablishing your
scientific fact? Did you publish in a peer-reviewed journal?
     Please provide references as a URL.
     bliss
oh shut the fk up
Sorry this is Usenet. Your orders carry no weight here.

Oh I must have stepped on your culturaly sensitive toes,
sorry I hurt your "fee-fees" snowflake %.

bliss
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%
2024-09-24 19:45:13 UTC
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Post by %
Post by Scout
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
problem with "basis
for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you
aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
That's scientific fact.
Do you know that scientific fact is so last week..
Today we've established that bullets can't kill if fired directly
into your skull..
Joel will now have to prove he's keeping up with the times by doing so.
     Joel will let you go first but as far as killing people with
bullets to the brain, back in the 19th Century a Native American was
shot in the head.  He got back on his horse, rode into town, found
the man who shot him then killed him and died.
     Will does not reside only in the brain. You have more neurons
in your gut than you have in your brain.
     But what test subjects did you use for extablishing your
scientific fact? Did you publish in a peer-reviewed journal?
     Please provide references as a URL.
     bliss
oh shut the fk up
    Sorry this is Usenet. Your orders carry no weight here.
    Oh I must have stepped on your culturaly sensitive toes,
sorry I hurt your "fee-fees" snowflake %.
    bliss
all that blab about don't have to but notice he did shut the fk up
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-24 20:42:32 UTC
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Post by %
Post by %
"Klaus  Schadenfreude"
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
problem with "basis
for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you
aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
That's scientific fact.
Do you know that scientific fact is so last week..
Today we've established that bullets can't kill if fired directly
into your skull..
Joel will now have to prove he's keeping up with the times by doing so.
     Joel will let you go first but as far as killing people with
bullets to the brain, back in the 19th Century a Native American was
shot in the head.  He got back on his horse, rode into town, found
the man who shot him then killed him and died.
     Will does not reside only in the brain. You have more neurons
in your gut than you have in your brain.
     But what test subjects did you use for extablishing your
scientific fact? Did you publish in a peer-reviewed journal?
     Please provide references as a URL.
     bliss
oh shut the fk up
     Sorry this is Usenet. Your orders carry no weight here.
     Oh I must have stepped on your culturaly sensitive toes,
sorry I hurt your "fee-fees" snowflake %.
     bliss
all that blab about don't have to but notice he did shut the fk up
Did you think so?
How naive you children are these days.
She laid down to rest a while, because
being 87 YOA she does not desire conflict but you
imbecilic Trolls keep invading talk.politics.drugs.
bliss
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%
2024-09-24 20:51:47 UTC
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Post by %
Post by %
"Klaus  Schadenfreude"
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the
problem with "basis
for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you
aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
That's scientific fact.
Do you know that scientific fact is so last week..
Today we've established that bullets can't kill if fired directly
into your skull..
Joel will now have to prove he's keeping up with the times by doing so.
     Joel will let you go first but as far as killing people with
bullets to the brain, back in the 19th Century a Native American was
shot in the head.  He got back on his horse, rode into town, found
the man who shot him then killed him and died.
     Will does not reside only in the brain. You have more neurons
in your gut than you have in your brain.
     But what test subjects did you use for extablishing your
scientific fact? Did you publish in a peer-reviewed journal?
     Please provide references as a URL.
     bliss
oh shut the fk up
     Sorry this is Usenet. Your orders carry no weight here.
     Oh I must have stepped on your culturaly sensitive toes,
sorry I hurt your "fee-fees" snowflake %.
     bliss
all that blab about don't have to but notice he did shut the fk up
    Did you think so?
    How naive you children are these days.
    She laid down to rest a while, because
being 87 YOA she does not desire conflict but you
imbecilic Trolls keep invading talk.politics.drugs.
    bliss
i was invited here and i just might stay here ,
that'll be 2 or 300 post by me per day
Scout
2024-09-24 14:13:02 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by reid
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
So being mentally insane is a "sign of the times"?

If murder rates go up does that mean you should go out and start killing
people?

After all, you wouldn't want to be "behind the times" by not engaging in
murder.. right?

I will simply note that Joel feels insanity is a "sign of the times" so
everyone should practice insanity.
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-24 16:16:00 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Joel
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
So being mentally insane is a "sign of the times"?
If murder rates go up does that mean you should go out and start killing
people?
After all, you wouldn't want to be "behind the times" by not engaging in
murder.. right?
I will simply note that Joel feels insanity is a "sign of the times" so
everyone should practice insanity.
Everyone does practice insanity as far as an objective observer
can conclude. They do not need to try as it seems to be built into most
varieties pf social organization. Take a look at Russia invading Ukraine
to attempt to help create an autocrat's vision of the Russian Empire.
China has nothing to fear from anyone but themselves and they work them-
selves up over the independence of Taiwan from the mainland.
Israel versus the Palestinians where the Israels by their actions ensure
the future membership of HAMAS and the HEZBOLLAH Terrorist groups.
Hindus quarreling and murdering Muslims and vice versa.

In the USA we have people, basically fundamentalist in their
religious beliefs, who kick their gay children or pregnant daughters
out of the house. Deprived of the parental backing they may suffer
a great deal and be reduced to prostitution which those fundamentalist
parents point out as the nature of their deviance from the parents
ideals. Good and loving parents are the best things for children and
lead them to higher attainments.

When you see what the world and parents do to people you
might just find that a girl with a penis is a very unimportant
matter for the amount of discussion and fuss raised about
this very tiny minority of people. But the conservatives have
to divert attention from their lack of care for the national
welfare.

bliss
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Mittens Romney
2024-09-24 16:20:53 UTC
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Post by Bobbie Sellers
In the USA we have people, basically fundamentalist in their
religious beliefs, who kick their gay children or pregnant daughters
out of the house. Deprived of the parental backing they may suffer
In the USA we have become a nation of cellar-dwelling adult kids
malingering around the home well into their 30s!

Booting the faggots only means they have to find work and a rental, wah!
--
⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪
Joel
2024-09-24 16:25:27 UTC
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Post by Mittens Romney
Post by Bobbie Sellers
In the USA we have people, basically fundamentalist in their
religious beliefs, who kick their gay children or pregnant daughters
out of the house. Deprived of the parental backing they may suffer
In the USA we have become a nation of cellar-dwelling adult kids
malingering around the home well into their 30s!
Booting the faggots only means they have to find work and a rental, wah!
OK boomer.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-24 18:11:10 UTC
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Post by Mittens Romney
Post by Bobbie Sellers
In the USA we have people, basically fundamentalist in their
religious beliefs, who kick their gay children or pregnant daughters
out of the house. Deprived of the parental backing they may suffer
In the USA we have become a nation of cellar-dwelling adult kids
malingering around the home well into their 30s!
Booting the faggots only means they have to find work and a rental, wah!
Well finding work is one thing. Depends on education and acquired
skills. Finding a job in San Francisco for a person
evicted from parental support before they finished HS is possible
but the apartment usually a studio will have to be shared because
rents in San Francisco are sky high. Even people with skills but
lower pay cannot afford to live alone.

Generally by the way gay men have the easier time finding
work and housing than the transgender people and the Lesbians.
Bisexuals fit right in

I can only afford to live in San Francisco because we have
rent control for occupied apartments and i have been here for nearly
50 years in the same space. Even with rent control my rent is about
5 X what I paid when I moved in. San Francisco is not the only
larger city where we have tolerance toward LBGTQ+ people but it may be
the most famous and therefore we get lots of people coming here
to live their lives. We have all sorts of folks who come here
to study art and other matters from nursing to any medical
specialty. What we do not have is enough cheap housing to get
all the homeless off the streets.

I remember when the Covid-19 restriction hit my neighbors
who worked in hospitality had to leave the city as the places
where they worked, bars and restaurants were shut down and they
had no income. But the apartment which likely is rented for
a good deal more than my own was occupied by a nice young couple,
as soon as it had been refurbished.

bliss
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Dave Wainwright
2024-09-25 18:56:35 UTC
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Post by Mittens Romney
Post by Bobbie Sellers
In the USA we have people, basically fundamentalist in their
religious beliefs, who kick their gay children or pregnant daughters
out of the house. Deprived of the parental backing they may suffer
In the USA we have become a nation of cellar-dwelling adult kids
malingering around the home well into their 30s!
Booting the faggots only means they have to find work and a rental, wah!
Except they are too stupid to work so they wind up homeless with a free
phone from the government. If the government is going to hand out free
phones on the taxpayer dime, all social media access should be banned on
them.
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-25 20:58:35 UTC
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Post by Dave Wainwright
Post by Mittens Romney
Post by Bobbie Sellers
In the USA we have people, basically fundamentalist in their
religious beliefs, who kick their gay children or pregnant daughters
out of the house. Deprived of the parental backing they may suffer
In the USA we have become a nation of cellar-dwelling adult kids
malingering around the home well into their 30s!
Booting the faggots only means they have to find work and a rental, wah!
Except they are too stupid to work so they wind up homeless with a free
phone from the government.  If the government is going to hand out free
phones on the taxpayer dime, all social media access should be banned on
them.
Tell that to Pete Buttigieg, former mayor, presidential candidate and
Secretary of Transporation.

bliss
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Dave Wainwright
2024-09-25 18:22:38 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by reid
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
Try reading to catch up.

"Youth Gender Medications Limited in England, Part of Big Shift in Europe"

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/health/europe-transgender-youth-hormone-treatments.html
Joel
2024-09-25 19:23:33 UTC
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Post by Dave Wainwright
Post by Joel
Post by reid
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
Try reading to catch up.
"Youth Gender Medications Limited in England, Part of Big Shift in Europe"
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/health/europe-transgender-youth-hormone-treatments.html
Reasonable people may disagree on this, but I'm just saying, trans
identity is not a joke, and if you think kids have no rights, you need
to broaden your horizons a bit. I am an authority and I am not going
to be contradicted other than in someone's opinion, because supporting
families have rights through the consent of their trans child. Whether
another adult in the child's life could intervene without the parents'
involvement is a matter of debate, even as an authority I would
hesitate to just comment off the cuff about that.

Not to say they couldn't affirm the trans identity, in a child not
their own offspring, but to recommend or facilitate access to puberty
blockers/hormones, I think we need to have a real discussion of what
rights the parents have. In truth, the general treatment *can* begin
effectively at 18 or 16, but does that mean a younger child cannot
seek puberty blockers or hormones, prior to maturity? Can there be a
way around an unsupportive parent?
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Scout
2024-09-26 14:17:36 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Dave Wainwright
Post by Joel
Post by reid
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense. Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
Try reading to catch up.
"Youth Gender Medications Limited in England, Part of Big Shift in Europe"
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/health/europe-transgender-youth-hormone-treatments.html
Reasonable people may disagree on this, but I'm just saying, trans
identity is not a joke,
Yes, reasonable people will disagree with you. because they are being
reasonable.

We are under no obligation to go along with the insane delusions of some
idiot that thinks putting on a dress or cutting off his dick will make him
into a woman. I have even less obligation to support some idiot that demands
I accept such deception and lies as reality.

Your boy friend is delusional, and you are in denial. Accept those as facts
and part of reality and move on. We could care less about either of you. YOU
are the one making it an issue.
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-25 21:32:55 UTC
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Post by Dave Wainwright
Post by Joel
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
Try reading to catch up.
"Youth Gender Medications Limited in England, Part of Big Shift in Europe"
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/health/europe-transgender-youth-hormone-treatments.html
Yes there is a world-wide fascist movement toward blaming transgender
people of all sorts for things that pastors, teachers and politicians
due all the time which is physical, sexual and emotionalabuse.
Only #45 blames the Jews any more but the White Christian Nationalist
movement in the USA while their pastors go on abusing their positions,
their politicians and teachers abusing the youth in their care, blaming
it all on drag queens and transgenders.

So they think by tormenting transgender people that they
can force them to give up the idea that they are indeed transgender.
But I don't think it will work any more than the conversion therapy
for gay men worked.

Repression of this sort breeds reaction.
bliss
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%
2024-09-25 21:36:14 UTC
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Post by Dave Wainwright
Post by Joel
She [Joel's GF] is trans and I accept her as that, what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"?  You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
You're basically talking nonsense.
You're accepting nonsense.  Pretending you are something you aren't is a
mental health issue.
Being behind the times is a mental lameness issue.
Try reading to catch up.
"Youth Gender Medications Limited in England, Part of Big Shift in Europe"
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/health/europe-transgender-youth-hormone-treatments.html
Yes there is a world-wide fascist movement toward blaming transgender
people of all sorts for things that pastors, teachers and politicians
due all the time which is physical, sexual and emotionalabuse.
Only #45 blames the Jews any more but the White Christian Nationalist
movement in the USA while their pastors go on abusing their positions,
their politicians and teachers abusing the youth in their care, blaming
 it all on drag queens and transgenders.
    So they think by tormenting transgender people that they
can force them to give up the idea that they are indeed transgender.
But I don't think it will work any more than the conversion therapy
for gay men worked.
    Repression of this sort breeds reaction.
    bliss
is this a chic fight
Scout
2024-09-23 13:39:12 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Joel
He's [a transgender woman] still a male, not a woman.
That's transphobic ignorance.
So according to you reality = transphobic ignorance?
Then you wonder why we consider you delusional.
The ONLY person here who can't accept him as he is seems to be..... Well..
YOU!
Hardly sounds like a good basis for a lasting relationship....
She is trans and I accept her as that,
No you don't, or you wouldn't talk about him in the feminine.
Post by Joel
what is the problem with "basis
for relationship"? You might not accept that she's trans, I do.
If you did you would have said "he's trans".

So clearly you do not accept him for what he is.

If she were actually a she.. then she's not trans.

To claim she's trans is to say she is pretending to be a man.

See what I mean, you claim to accept him, but you don't. Otherwise you
wouldn't need to lie to us or yourself about what he is.
Post by Joel
You're basically talking nonsense.
You certainly are. What you say clearly indicates that you do NOT accept him
for what he is...otherwise you wouldn't have to lie about it.
Scout
2024-09-19 15:18:12 UTC
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Post by citizen winston smith
Post by Joel
If I see her as a woman, what difference does it make that she has a
dick?
Makes you a pretend faggot, or a pseudo-straight oaf.
Or a guy with a different taste and an open mind. My GF is a person,
our friendship is just like it would be with any person.
So your delusions are a regular thing then?
Klaus Schadenfreude
2024-09-18 20:03:08 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
Post by %
i have more than anything you have ,
including good looks , charm and money
But I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
Geez, is he *still* fantasizing about having a girl friend?
If I see her as a woman, what difference does it make that she has a
dick?
The difference is that he's not a woman.
Scout
2024-09-19 15:22:56 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
Post by %
i have more than anything you have ,
including good looks , charm and money
But I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
Geez, is he *still* fantasizing about having a girl friend?
If I see her as a woman, what difference does it make that she has a
dick?
The difference is that he's not a woman.
But remember Klaus, we are then expected to accept his other delusions about
reality without question and to blindly accept such delusions of his..
Klaus Schadenfreude
2024-09-19 18:13:19 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
Post by %
i have more than anything you have ,
including good looks , charm and money
But I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
Geez, is he *still* fantasizing about having a girl friend?
If I see her as a woman, what difference does it make that she has a
dick?
The difference is that he's not a woman.
But remember Klaus, we are then expected to accept his other delusions about
reality without question and to blindly accept such delusions of his..
Imagine his disappointment.
Scout
2024-09-19 15:16:40 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
Post by %
i have more than anything you have ,
including good looks , charm and money
But I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
Geez, is he *still* fantasizing about having a girl friend?
If I see her as a woman, what difference does it make that she has a
dick?
Well, it's the difference between reality and your delusion.

Apparently you can't tell the difference.
Joel
2024-09-23 01:00:56 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Joel
I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-23 07:41:02 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender when
it seems that gender may well determine social-sexual roles.
The unremitting belief by some that they were meant to be of
the opposite sex from the one they were born to leads to the
idea that perhaps there is something to the idea of a soul.

"Transgender" is just a descriptive term invented by a
psychiatrist/endocrinologist for understanding the phenomenon of
reported behaviors and emotions by the patients who sought hormonal
treatment for relief of undesired sexual feelings.
That doctor was Harry Benjamin in his book "the Transsexual Phenomenon".
Magnus Hirschfeld in the 1920s and 1930s called the same folks
"intermediates."

bliss
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luke
2024-09-23 19:16:41 UTC
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Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Joel
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap
fake. Some dud in a dress.
That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender
It's a good thing you nutjobs can't reproduce naturally. You'll die out
just like all the oother liberal kookoo kritters.
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-23 19:34:54 UTC
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Post by luke
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Joel
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap
fake. Some dud in a dress.
That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender
It's a good thing you nutjobs can't reproduce naturally. You'll die out
just like all the oother liberal kookoo kritters.
All of the members of the class LBGTQ+ are the product of
heterosexual or bisexual activity. If you want us to go away
join the Anti-Sex League. See "1984" by George Orwell.

Oh and I have known some transgender individuals who
reproduced trying to fulfill the role of wife or husband.
When they realized that was not in their nature they transitioned
despite their age and family.

bliss
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Scout
2024-09-24 14:31:31 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are culturally
committed to the idea that sex determines gender
I suppose race is also left up too the individual. I mean if someone that
originated in say Japan decided she wants to be a black guy.,. that becomes
reality?
I mean there are so many benefits to identifying as a minority.. special
government contracts, aid to start a business, even government funding.
So why can't someone simply identify as black and gain all these benefits. I
mean we just claim that biology has nothing to do with race. Right?
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-24 16:39:10 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Joel
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender
I suppose race is also left up too the individual. I mean if someone
that originated in say Japan decided she wants to be a black guy.,. that
becomes reality?
Some black people in Japan are throughly discriminated against
but not as much as the native Japanese with the wrong ancestry. If
a Japanese family for many hundreds of years was confined to the trade
of leather which involved non-buddhist approved work of killing animals
and tanning the hides they are unaccepable to families that were
merely farmers, merchants or samurai.
Oh and the black people in Japan are a result of the occupation
of Japan after WW II. They are black in the same sense as the
segregationist ideal of one drop of black blood. Bothe the Chinese
and the Japanese are both prejudiced against "other races".
Post by Scout
I mean there are so many benefits to identifying as a minority.. special
government contracts, aid to start a business, even government funding.
So why can't someone simply identify as black and gain all these
benefits. I mean we just claim that biology has nothing to do with race.
Right?
Benefits from the government are far less than a lot of white
people think.

Actually there have been people who attempted to cross races
for certain reasons but they seem to have been detected as their
racial/ethenc group had not suffered the discrimination for which
the black group has been given very limited benefits.

When you read about the government approved discrimination
to which black people have been subjected it makes you want to
throw up. Not just the national government either. The state of New
York passed laws depriving black people of property rights so that
rich white people could exploit their properties and that was after
the Civil War.

In Southern California a black man and his family acquired
during segregation a beach front property which became a black
used resort. The municipality seized that property on behalf of
the white property owners who thought black people brought
property values down. They had moved to the west Coast to escape
the Black Codes of the un-reconstructed South.
Recently this injustice has been, in some small measure,
corrected.

bliss
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%
2024-09-24 19:43:49 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Joel
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender
I suppose race is also left up too the individual. I mean if someone
that originated in say Japan decided she wants to be a black guy.,.
that becomes reality?
    Some black people in Japan are throughly discriminated against
but not as much as the native Japanese with the wrong ancestry. If
a Japanese family for many hundreds of years was confined to the trade
of leather which involved non-buddhist approved work of killing animals
and tanning the hides they are unaccepable to families that were
merely farmers, merchants or samurai.
    Oh and the black people in Japan are a result of the occupation
of Japan after WW II. They are black in the same sense as the
segregationist ideal of one drop of black blood.  Bothe the Chinese
and the Japanese are both prejudiced against "other races".
Post by Scout
I mean there are so many benefits to identifying as a minority..
special government contracts, aid to start a business, even government
funding.
So why can't someone simply identify as black and gain all these
benefits. I mean we just claim that biology has nothing to do with
race. Right?
    Benefits from the government are far less than a lot of white
people think.
    Actually there have been people who attempted to cross races
for certain reasons but they seem to have been detected as their
racial/ethenc group had not suffered the discrimination for which
the black group has been given very limited benefits.
    When you read about the government approved discrimination
to which black people have been subjected it makes you want to
throw up. Not just the national government either. The state of New
York passed laws depriving black people of property rights so that
rich white people could exploit their properties and that was after
the Civil War.
    In Southern California a black man and his family acquired
during segregation a beach front property which became a black
used resort. The municipality seized that property on behalf of
the white property owners who thought black people brought
property values down. They had moved to the west Coast to escape
the Black Codes of the un-reconstructed South.
    Recently this injustice has been, in some small measure,
corrected.
    bliss
there will always be racism
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-24 20:44:46 UTC
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Post by %
Post by Scout
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Joel
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender
I suppose race is also left up too the individual. I mean if someone
that originated in say Japan decided she wants to be a black guy.,.
that becomes reality?
     Some black people in Japan are throughly discriminated against
but not as much as the native Japanese with the wrong ancestry. If
a Japanese family for many hundreds of years was confined to the trade
of leather which involved non-buddhist approved work of killing animals
and tanning the hides they are unaccepable to families that were
merely farmers, merchants or samurai.
     Oh and the black people in Japan are a result of the occupation
of Japan after WW II. They are black in the same sense as the
segregationist ideal of one drop of black blood.  Bothe the Chinese
and the Japanese are both prejudiced against "other races".
Post by Scout
I mean there are so many benefits to identifying as a minority..
special government contracts, aid to start a business, even
government funding.
So why can't someone simply identify as black and gain all these
benefits. I mean we just claim that biology has nothing to do with
race. Right?
     Benefits from the government are far less than a lot of white
people think.
     Actually there have been people who attempted to cross races
for certain reasons but they seem to have been detected as their
racial/ethenc group had not suffered the discrimination for which
the black group has been given very limited benefits.
     When you read about the government approved discrimination
to which black people have been subjected it makes you want to
throw up. Not just the national government either. The state of New
York passed laws depriving black people of property rights so that
rich white people could exploit their properties and that was after
the Civil War.
     In Southern California a black man and his family acquired
during segregation a beach front property which became a black
used resort. The municipality seized that property on behalf of
the white property owners who thought black people brought
property values down. They had moved to the west Coast to escape
the Black Codes of the un-reconstructed South.
     Recently this injustice has been, in some small measure,
corrected.
     bliss
there will always be racism
Is that what racists tell themselves to avoid giving up
their racism ways.

bliss
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%
2024-09-24 20:54:36 UTC
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Post by %
Post by Scout
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Joel
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender
I suppose race is also left up too the individual. I mean if someone
that originated in say Japan decided she wants to be a black guy.,.
that becomes reality?
     Some black people in Japan are throughly discriminated against
but not as much as the native Japanese with the wrong ancestry. If
a Japanese family for many hundreds of years was confined to the trade
of leather which involved non-buddhist approved work of killing animals
and tanning the hides they are unaccepable to families that were
merely farmers, merchants or samurai.
     Oh and the black people in Japan are a result of the occupation
of Japan after WW II. They are black in the same sense as the
segregationist ideal of one drop of black blood.  Bothe the Chinese
and the Japanese are both prejudiced against "other races".
Post by Scout
I mean there are so many benefits to identifying as a minority..
special government contracts, aid to start a business, even
government funding.
So why can't someone simply identify as black and gain all these
benefits. I mean we just claim that biology has nothing to do with
race. Right?
     Benefits from the government are far less than a lot of white
people think.
     Actually there have been people who attempted to cross races
for certain reasons but they seem to have been detected as their
racial/ethenc group had not suffered the discrimination for which
the black group has been given very limited benefits.
     When you read about the government approved discrimination
to which black people have been subjected it makes you want to
throw up. Not just the national government either. The state of New
York passed laws depriving black people of property rights so that
rich white people could exploit their properties and that was after
the Civil War.
     In Southern California a black man and his family acquired
during segregation a beach front property which became a black
used resort. The municipality seized that property on behalf of
the white property owners who thought black people brought
property values down. They had moved to the west Coast to escape
the Black Codes of the un-reconstructed South.
     Recently this injustice has been, in some small measure,
corrected.
     bliss
there will always be racism
    Is that what racists tell themselves to avoid giving up
their racism ways.
    bliss
i don't know what they do ,
but it doesn't matter ,
there still will always be ,
here you are showing your racism toward me

" but you
imbecilic Trolls keep invading talk.politics.drugs. "
Dave Wainwright
2024-09-25 18:51:44 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Joel
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender
I suppose race is also left up too the individual. I mean if someone
that originated in say Japan decided she wants to be a black guy.,. that
becomes reality?
There was the Japanese guy who decided he was a dog, and the mentally
ill of social media jumped up and down encouraging him.
Post by Scout
I mean there are so many benefits to identifying as a minority.. special
government contracts, aid to start a business, even government funding.
So why can't someone simply identify as black and gain all these
benefits. I mean we just claim that biology has nothing to do with race.
Right?
The insanity gene is social media. Anything goes on social media and
there are plenty of idiots who will accept complete idiocy as fact.
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-25 21:44:02 UTC
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Post by Dave Wainwright
Post by Scout
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Joel
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender
I suppose race is also left up too the individual. I mean if someone
that originated in say Japan decided she wants to be a black guy.,.
that becomes reality?
There was the Japanese guy who decided he was a dog, and the mentally
ill of social media jumped up and down encouraging him.
Post by Scout
I mean there are so many benefits to identifying as a minority..
special government contracts, aid to start a business, even government
funding.
So why can't someone simply identify as black and gain all these
benefits. I mean we just claim that biology has nothing to do with
race. Right?
The insanity gene is social media.  Anything goes on social media and
there are plenty of idiots who will accept complete idiocy as fact.
Indeed social media is full of very bad ideas. Transgender
people existed before social media and are independent of such.
For me Usenet is the closest to Social Media that I will come
most likely. I started using it over 30 years ago when I bought
a used Amiga 1000 and began calling BBSes and learned about Usenet
via interfaces on Amiga BBSes.Then too I moved over to Fidonet in
the 1990s where there was Team Amiga which was concerned with
the AmigaOS and anarchy. It was founded by a gay anarchist
who since passed on of HIV-AIDs before modern drugs were available.
But Team Amiga moved to a Internet mailing list and keeps rolling
along.

bliss
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Scout
2024-09-26 14:20:34 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Joel
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
Of course it is. But you have to consider that many people are
culturally committed to the idea that sex determines gender
I suppose race is also left up too the individual. I mean if someone that
originated in say Japan decided she wants to be a black guy.,. that
becomes reality?
There was the Japanese guy who decided he was a dog, and the mentally ill
of social media jumped up and down encouraging him.
Yep.. because you should spay or neuter your bets and I see a great benefit
to that in this case.
I mean if he's really going to play the part.. let's go all in.
Post by Scout
I mean there are so many benefits to identifying as a minority.. special
government contracts, aid to start a business, even government funding.
So why can't someone simply identify as black and gain all these
benefits. I mean we just claim that biology has nothing to do with race.
Right?
The insanity gene is social media. Anything goes on social media and
there are plenty of idiots who will accept complete idiocy as fact.
Yep.

Scout
2024-09-24 14:23:41 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Scout
Post by Joel
I have a GF.
No you don't, by your own admission all you could afford is a cheap fake.
Some dud in a dress.
That's an unbelievably ignorant thing to say.
And yet totally factual.
Scout
2024-09-16 17:01:52 UTC
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Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Progress
If they OD and kill themselves, there won't be a drug problem.
We could solve this whole drug abuse issue in 72 hours and have plenty of
materials for biofuel or fertilizer.
Let's get it done.
That is about the dumbest solution to a real problem that
I have read. It goes right along with the Filipino dictator who
had dealers shot on arrest and mere users jailed.
The assumption on your part is that the drugs of choice
are deadly. Most are not. The purvyers of illegal drugs have
made them mode deadly by dilution with Fentanyl. If pharmeceutical
companies were to supply the drugs they would provide measured
doses which is how before the Harrison Narcotic Act of 1917
people addicted dure to illness or war wounds were treated.
Most of these folks worked for a living at a trade or profession.
the HNA/1917 created the class of junkies.
Well since the drugs serve absolutely NO benefit.. there is absolutely no
reason to contribute to getting people hooked on them.
Na, I see absolutely no reason why such additive drugs should be either
legalized or normalized.
Bobbie Sellers
2024-09-16 22:04:01 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Progress
If they OD and kill themselves, there won't be a drug problem.
We could solve this whole drug abuse issue in 72 hours and have plenty of
materials for biofuel or fertilizer.
Let's get it done.
That is about the dumbest solution to a real problem that
I have read. It goes right along with the Filipino dictator who
had dealers shot on arrest and mere users jailed.
The assumption on your part is that the drugs of choice
are deadly.  Most are not. The purvyers of illegal drugs have
made them mode deadly by dilution with Fentanyl. If pharmeceutical
companies were to supply the drugs they would provide measured
doses which is how before the Harrison Narcotic Act of 1917
people addicted dure to illness or war wounds were treated.
Most of these folks worked for a living at a trade or profession.
the HNA/1917 created the class of junkies.
Well since the drugs serve absolutely NO benefit.. there is absolutely
no reason to contribute to getting people hooked on them.
Na, I see absolutely no reason why such additive drugs should be either
legalized or normalized.
The drugs relieve pain. That is why Fentanyl is a good anesthetic.
It was decided to criminalize drug and drug users over 100 years ago
when the Harrison Narcotic Act of 1917 was passed. Exactly what the
reasoning behind criminalizing war veterans and people suffering from
very painful diseases is difficult to figure out at this distance.
Part of it was racism or xenophobia because the Chinese were using
smoked opium and laws against were passed in San Francisco. The
Chinese and some European derived people smoke opium because they
were in pain. Cocaine, a stimulant and very habituating drug was
outlawed a few years later. It was said that heroin had no medical
use in the USA but in the UK it was available in an oral preparation
to deal with severe pain.

However the fact remains that drugs that kill pain were
criminalized in the USA possibly for the same defective reasoning
that drove the Prohibition of Alcohol.

Outlawing murder and robbery makes some sense but outlawing
pain relief is sadistic in my humble opinion.
By the way I have used opiate drugs as presecribed at several
points in my 87 years and have never been addicted to them so I suppose
that they are not as addictive as presumed.

You should read some real history of the use of drugs in the
USA and in the Colonies that became the USA. First of course was
alcohol and the Puritans were habitually drunken. Then there is caffeine
in Tea and in Coffee. Coffee houses by the way were dens of rebels
We do not know exactly why Geo.Washington, prominent slave owner and
1st President of the Republic, grew hemp but i think it was not strictly
for rope and paper. We know from the accounts of Fitz Hugh Ludlow that
cannabis was used for the relief of pain and ennui before the Civil
War. Oh yes tobacco was introduced to the world from the Colonies so we
were and are a drug-based state and while nicotine is a short acting
stimulant it is highly addictive. The big noise about tobacco smoking
and nicotine was cancer of the lungs and Upper Respiratory System but
in actuality it messes with the circulatory system as well.

bliss - who when younger educated herself about these
matters since she is a retired and very tired nurse(LVN).
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Free drugs? Sounds like the Trump White House!

White House clinic handed out medications with little oversight during
past administrations, new investigation shows
By Brenda Goodman, CNN

Updated 4:58 PM EST, Wed January 24, 2024


During previous presidential administrations, the White House Medical
Unit
operated a pharmacy where staff members freely distributed prescription
and non-prescription drugs – including controlled substances – without
adequate record-keeping and sometimes to people who weren’t legally
eligible to get them, according to a report released this month.

The report – from the independent Office of the Inspector General of the
US Department of Defense, which oversees the Military Health System and
thus the White House Medical Unit – says the clinic also misused taxpayer
funds by dispensing brand-name drugs instead of less expensive generics
and providing free medical care to staff who weren’t allowed to get it.

The Office of the Inspector General said in a news release that the
problems it uncovered in the White House clinic were “severe and
systemic.”

The report is based on reviews of records from the White House Medical
Unit, including prescriptions, from between 2017 and 2019. In addition,
investigators interviewed more than 120 officials, including hospital
administrators, military medical providers and pharmacists. The office
also reviewed the transcripts of 70 previous interviews with former
members of the White House Military Office who served there between 2009
and 2018.


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The interviews indicated that medication was often dispensed without any
written records. Before “we would get ready for a big overseas trip,”
staffers were directed to make “prepacks” that consisted of plastic
sandwich bags containing the sleeping drug Ambien as well as the
stimulant
Provigil, which is meant to help people stay awake. Both are categorized
as controlled substances, meaning they require special handling and
record-keeping by pharmacies because they carry a risk for dependence and
abuse.

These prepacks would often be handed out to senior staff or their
assistants without any record of who was ultimately getting them, the
testimony said.

The directive to give medication, “including all controlled substances,”
to patients’ representatives “without the need to present the patient’s
ID
card” was also found by investigators on a handwritten note dated March
21, 2014.

In one case, according to the excerpted testimony, a doctor in the
medical
unit asked a staffer if they could “hook up” someone with some Provigil
“as a parting gift for leaving the White House.” Sloppy records and no
oversight, among other problems

The report, published January 8, found that the “White House Medical
Unit’s controlled substance records did not accurately reflect the unit’s
procurement, inventory, or disposal of controlled substances.”

The report says the practices it documents did not comply with guidance
from the government or the Department of Defense. Rather, it says, the
problems occurred because officials in the medical unit “did not consider
their operations to be a pharmacy,” despite the fact that the medications
were kept and dispensed behind a door marked “pharmacy” and that
medications were handed out in pill bottles that bore the logo of the
White House Medical Unit.

However, there was no pharmacist on staff at the medical unit, although
officials said controlled substance audits are performed quarterly,
according to the report. Staff members testified that they submitted a
request to get a pharmacy technician assigned to the White House, but it
still had not been filled during the period of the investigation.

The unit’s lax prescribing practices were allowed to go unchecked because
the office lacked oversight, according to the report. None of the senior
Military Health System leaders interviewed for the report could identify
which division was responsible for the medical office. Complaints lead to
a second inquiry

The investigation was launched after the Defense Department received
complaints that a senior military medical officer assigned to the unit
had
“engaged in improper medical practice,” the report says.

In May 2018, the Office of the Inspector General began a separate inquiry
into complaints about Dr. Ronny Jackson, who had previously served as
physician to the president and head of the White House Medical Unit.
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Several of the complaints alleged improper medical and pharmaceutical
practices as well as problems with Jackson’s behavior. They also called
into question the eligibility of some patients to be seen at the
executive
medical facilities in the National Capital Region.

Jackson, who is not named in the new report, was director of the White
House Medical Unit from 2010 through 2014 and served as physician to the
president for both Barack Obama and Donald Trump.

He stepped back from his role as physician to the president in March
2018,
after Trump nominated him to helm the Department of Veterans Affairs. But
he withdrew from consideration for that role after the Senate Committee
on
Veterans’ Affairs interviewed 23 current and former colleges of Jackson’s
who alleged that he led a hostile work environment and allowed
overprescribing of medications.

He was named chief medical adviser to the president in February 2019.

Asked whether he participated in the activities described in the report
or
was aware of them, a spokesperson for Jackson – who is now serving in
Congress as a representative from Texas – noted in a statement that “Dr.
Jackson was not the Director of the White House Medical Unit during the
timeframe mentioned in the report (2017-2019). He was Physician to the
President and later Chief Medical Advisor. The Chief Medical Advisor is a
policy role, not clinical. This healthcare policy role had no association
or involvement with the White House Medical Unit’s clinical delivery of
care.”


According to a review of the clinic’s medical records detailed in the
report, staffers dispensed brand-name medications instead of
less-expensive generics in violation of Defense Department policy. Over
the three years from 2017 through 2019, the brand-name drugs Ambien and
Provigil cost taxpayers $144,520, but generic versions of those drugs
would have cost $2,064, the report found.

The White House Medical Unit cost taxpayers in another way too, the
report
says: by routinely treating people who weren’t legally eligible for care
through the Department of Defense. This was done at the direction of
senior leaders of the medical unit, the report says.


According to the Code of Federal Regulations, people who can access care
through the Military Health System include the president, the vice
president, their spouses and their minor children; members of the
Cabinet;
officials of the Department of Defense who were appointed by the
president
and confirmed by the Senate; assistants to the president; the director of
the White House Military Office; and former presidents and their spouses,
widows and minor children. Anyone needing emergency care can get it
through Military Health Services, but they have to pay for their care.

According to the report, the White House Medical Unit has about 60
patients enrolled in its clinic but provided “health care by proxy” to
6,000 White House and other government and employees and contractors,
many
of whom were ineligible to receive it. These employees were given urgent
care including the provision of cold medications, antibiotics or sleep
aids, the report says, but this care was not tracked and couldn’t be
billed. Records show that the Department of Defense waived nearly
$500,000
in care for senior US officials over three years, according to the
report.


The report says that the Department of Defense’s assistant secretary for
health affairs agreed with all the recommendations and that they would be
implemented, although it noted those tasks haven’t yet been completed.

The White House did not immediately offer comment to CNN on the report’s
findings or any changes made in the medical unit made since the
investigation was completed.
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