Thousands of sex-change surgeries performed on minors in 5-year period

Surgery shouldn't be required to be trans, but it should be available
to people over 16 or 18.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2024-10-11 10:36:38 UTC

Surgery shouldn't be required to be trans, but it should be available
to people over 16 or 18.

Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.

In that order.

Chris Ahlstrom

2024-10-11 14:25:02 UTC

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

What a bitter man.

--
Nothing can be done in one trip.
-- Snider

Klaus Schadenfreude

2024-10-11 15:35:21 UTC

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

What a bitter man.

Says the child molester

Chris Ahlstrom

2024-10-11 22:56:43 UTC

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

What a bitter man.

Says the child molester

What? No. The only people I "molest" are bigots like you. You cretin.
You puke. You ... dumbass! :-D

--
The executioner is, I hear, very expert, and my neck is very slender.
-- Anne Boleyn

Klaus Schadenfreude

2024-10-12 10:19:01 UTC

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

What a bitter man.

Says the child molester

What? No.

Hey, it's OK, man!

Your love for exploiting defenseless children is common knowledge,
really.

But I predict a wood chipper in your future unless you keep those
feelings to yourself.

Scout

2024-10-14 16:00:50 UTC

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

What a bitter man.

Says the child molester

What? No. The only people I "molest" are bigots like you. You cretin.
You puke. You ... dumbass! :-D

Tell me how does proving you are a bigot, make it right for you to attack
another you assert is a bigot?

-hh

2024-10-13 21:09:56 UTC

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

What a bitter man.

Says the child molester

Sounds like you don't know that there's been surgeries like this which
have been going on for ~90 years: 20th Century advancements in medicine
resulted in babies being born with genetic anomalies undergoing
'corrective' surgery, sometimes even without the parent's knowledge.

Similarly, sometimes the child was never told of their medical history,
even after they became an adult: these got buried as 'family secrets'.

"In the United States genital reconstructive surgery was pioneered
between 1930 and 1960 by urologist Hugh Hampton Young and other surgeons
at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore and other major university
centers.[11] Understanding of intersex conditions was relatively
primitive, based on identifying the type of gonad(s) by palpation or by
surgery. Since ability to determine even the type of gonads in infancy
was limited, sex of assignment and rearing were determined mainly by the
appearance of the external genitalia."

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_intersex_surgery#Surgical_pioneering_and_constructed_gender>

So the real question here is ... is this something actually new?

Or is it merely a lame alarmist report of the status quo of an ongoing
medical practice which has literally existed for longer than you've been
alive, even if you've never personally heard of it?

-hh

Arrest Gays

2024-10-15 01:40:31 UTC

On 10/13/24 5:09 PM, Hugh Huntzinger, at 1 Harmony Lane in Denville, New Jersey,

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

What a bitter man.

Says the child molester

Sounds like you don't know that there's been surgeries like this which have been
going on for ~90 years: 20th Century advancements in medicine resulted in
babies being born with genetic anomalies undergoing 'corrective' surgery,
sometimes even without the parent's knowledge.
Similarly, sometimes the child was never told of their medical history, even
after they became an adult: these got buried as 'family secrets'.
"In the United States genital reconstructive surgery was pioneered between 1930
and 1960 by urologist Hugh Hampton Young and other surgeons at Johns Hopkins
Hospital in Baltimore and other major university centers.[11] Understanding of
intersex conditions was relatively primitive, based on identifying the type of
gonad(s) by palpation or by surgery. Since ability to determine even the type of
gonads in infancy was limited, sex of assignment and rearing were determined
mainly by the appearance of the external genitalia."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
History_of_intersex_surgery#Surgical_pioneering_and_constructed_gender>
So the real question here is ... is this something actually new?

Yes. Faggots like you seeking to groom normal and healthy young boys
into having their genitals cut off while still under the age of 18 is
a new thing.

-hh

2024-10-15 19:36:07 UTC

Post by Arrest Gays

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

What a bitter man.

Says the child molester

Sounds like you don't know that there's been surgeries like this which
have been going on for ~90 years: 20th Century advancements in
medicine resulted in babies being born with genetic anomalies
undergoing 'corrective' surgery, sometimes even without the parent's
knowledge.
Similarly, sometimes the child was never told of their medical
history, even after they became an adult: these got buried as 'family
secrets'.
"In the United States genital reconstructive surgery was pioneered
between 1930 and 1960 by urologist Hugh Hampton Young and other
surgeons at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore and other major
university centers.[11] Understanding of intersex conditions was
relatively primitive, based on identifying the type of gonad(s) by
palpation or by surgery. Since ability to determine even the type of
gonads in infancy was limited, sex of assignment and rearing were
determined mainly by the appearance of the external genitalia."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
History_of_intersex_surgery#Surgical_pioneering_and_constructed_gender>
So the real question here is ... is this something actually new?

Yes. Faggots like you seeking to groom normal and healthy young boys
into having their genitals cut off while still under the age of 18 is
a new thing.

No, that's that's not at all what I said.

What I said was that sexual assignment surgery has been a thing for
nearly 100 years, and the general practice thereof was to take a genetic
abnormality and to try to make them appear to be normal.

You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

As a first start to defining what you're offended by, that statement is
fine: but the next part is: "got actual data, instead of an opinion?"

Note that whatever statistics you come up with will need to subtract out
the above surgeries which correct genetic abnormalities.

That's your homework assignment. Get to work on it & report back.

-hh

citizen winston smith

2024-10-15 19:39:44 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?

Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

-hh

2024-10-15 20:15:49 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that
there's adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex
change operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?

Nope. Troll, troll again.

In the meantime, there's 3.66 million babies born in the USA per year.

Likewise, it appears that the natural incidence rate of some degree of
intersex as per the Anne Fausto-Sterling estimate is 1.7%."

1.7% of 3.66M kids/year = ~62,220 kids/year.

What percentage of them need some sort of medical correction? I have no
idea. But these are abnormalities which have been routinely treated by
the medical profession, including surgical procedures as I'd mentioned.

Now because the study was over a five year period, the birth rate over
that timeframe is 5x, and thus, the 1.7% portion of it is 5x too. As
such, there's potentially 5 * 62,220 = 311,100M kids who are potentially
applicable to the ones that they found in their study.

Now the study said they found 13,994 instances where some intervention
was done ... But 14K out of 311K is just 4.5% of the total applicable
vulnerable population in steady state (and just 0.08% of all kids).

I'd venture to say that this is actually a good news story, because 4.5%
is a pretty small number of this applicable vulnerable population, who
itself is less than 2% of the general population.

Because we do know that there's standards of medical practice that have
been ongoing for 90+ years to intercede on abnormalities, we know that
some of these (up to potentially "all") are simply normal medical
practice. So where's the clear evidence that there's "experimental
pediatric gender medicine" occurring? Let alone to any significant degree?

-hh

pothead

2024-10-15 21:54:53 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you get my drift.
Pun intended.

--
pothead
Kama Lama Ding Dong is the long lost sister of
Rama Lama Ding Dong

-hh

2024-10-15 23:48:51 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.

-hh

pothead

2024-10-16 00:05:56 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
And that is a fact.

Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working. He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying that message so he stopped promoting it.
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.
Literally everything they have touched they have f^%*ed up.
Even the chips act, which is a great idea, is in trouble because Asian companies refuse to follow Biden's DEI requirements.
And you want to elect Kamala Harris, voted the most far left person in the senate, by far, to continue this mess?
You must be a massive idiot.

--
pothead
Kama Lama Ding Dong is the long lost sister of
Rama Lama Ding Dong

Snit

2024-10-16 01:41:49 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

Then why act so angry online?

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.
You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that the
number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls show that
people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.

Many do... it is a shame there is so much ignorance in the country.

Post by pothead
And that is a fact.
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying that
message so he stopped promoting it.
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

According to most historians the worst president is Buchanan. The second worst
is Trump.

Post by pothead
Literally everything they have touched they have f^%*ed up.

You made that up.

Post by pothead
Even the chips act, which is a great idea, is in trouble because Asian
companies refuse to follow Biden's DEI requirements.
And you want to elect Kamala Harris, voted the most far left person in the
senate, by far, to continue this mess?
You must be a massive idiot.

You claimed to not be mad but you act mad. Weird.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

-hh

2024-10-16 20:35:02 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Post by pothead
You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
And that is a fact.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?

Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but this time
from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's "WIN" (Whip
Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real wages
catch up?

Post by pothead
Literally everything they have touched they have f^%*ed up.

Such as?

Despite the ongoing mess from CoVid that Trump screwed up back in 2020
by claiming it would 'go away' on its own, I've personally found these
post-DJT years to have been better, both perceptually and objectively.

So if you're angry about things, perhaps it is just *you*.

Post by pothead
Even the chips act, which is a great idea, is in trouble because Asian
companies refuse to follow Biden's DEI requirements.

That may be what they're _saying_, but are they putting that on the
record in SEC filings? Because there's often issues blamed on some Red
Herring as the excuse instead of what's really the cause. So how have
you verified that this claim is actually the truth?

Besides, not everything works out: take Trump's campaign promise of a
giant Foxconn factory in Wisconsin which never happened ... what excuse
did they come up with? Likewise, "saved" jobs for Carrier's operations
in Indianapolis: what happened there? If you're angry that Biden's
only hitting .500, what was Trump's comparable record? Better? Worse?
How much worse?

Oh, that's right: you don't like spreadsheets to have any objectivity!

Post by pothead
And you want to elect Kamala Harris, voted the most far left person
in the senate, by far, to continue this mess?

Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there, she
was representing California, one of the most progressive States in the
USA (and also one of the strongest economies too ... coincidence?), so
that was what the constituents expected from their representative.

Post by pothead
You must be a massive idiot.

When the alternative is the fascism-promising insurrectionist, how can
anyone who swore the oath to uphold & defend the US Constitution do
otherwise? Be specific.

-hh

Pierre Delecto Romney

2024-10-16 21:20:56 UTC

Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there, she
was representing California, one of the most progressive States in the USA

The MOST failed state in this nation.

The most refugees fleeing for all other states in this nation.

The most repressive, over-taxed, shit upon mess ever in these United States.

You vermin.

How you ever lasted in our own Air Force is a study in treason from within.

--
⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

-hh

2024-10-16 22:04:51 UTC

Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there, she
was representing California, one of the most progressive States in the USA

The MOST failed state in this nation.

Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.

Post by Pierre Delecto Romney
The most refugees fleeing for all other states in this nation.

Most populous state, so the raw number should be expected to be the most
too. What's the per capita metric say?

Post by Pierre Delecto Romney
The most repressive, over-taxed, shit upon mess ever in these United States.

But highest in services though...right?
One gets what one pays for.

Post by Pierre Delecto Romney
You vermin.

You angry.
You whine.
You luzer.
You jealous.
You cry harder.

-hh

Scout

2024-10-17 14:38:51 UTC

Post by -hh
Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there, she
was representing California, one of the most progressive States in the USA

The MOST failed state in this nation.

Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.

Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..

Should that be our model for human rights, freedom or even Carbon Emissions?

China - 3rd worst for human rights
China - among the worst abusers or personal freedom
China - worst carbon emissions of any nation having more than the next 3
combined.

Sorry, but having a large economy.. isn't really a good measure of what is a
good place to live in or to emulate.

Snit

2024-10-17 15:00:46 UTC

Post by -hh
Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there, she
was representing California, one of the most progressive States in the USA

The MOST failed state in this nation.

Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.

Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..
Should that be our model for human rights, freedom or even Carbon Emissions?
China - 3rd worst for human rights
China - among the worst abusers or personal freedom
China - worst carbon emissions of any nation having more than the next 3
combined.
Sorry, but having a large economy.. isn't really a good measure of what is a
good place to live in or to emulate.

Depends on how you define success. CA does fairly well both with economics and
human rights. And they help fund the (economically and morally) failing red
states.

Skeeter

2024-10-17 15:37:22 UTC

Post by -hh
Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there, she
was representing California, one of the most progressive States in the USA

The MOST failed state in this nation.

Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.

Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..
Should that be our model for human rights, freedom or even Carbon Emissions?
China - 3rd worst for human rights
China - among the worst abusers or personal freedom
China - worst carbon emissions of any nation having more than the next 3
combined.
Sorry, but having a large economy.. isn't really a good measure of what is a
good place to live in or to emulate.

Depends on how you define success. CA does fairly well both with economics and
human rights. And they help fund the (economically and morally) failing red
states.

and they support no bail release for crooks and legal drug use in public
parks.

Scout

2024-10-17 16:28:35 UTC

Post by -hh
Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there, she
was representing California, one of the most progressive States in
the
USA

The MOST failed state in this nation.

Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.

Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..
Should that be our model for human rights, freedom or even Carbon Emissions?
China - 3rd worst for human rights
China - among the worst abusers or personal freedom
China - worst carbon emissions of any nation having more than the next 3
combined.
Sorry, but having a large economy.. isn't really a good measure of what is a
good place to live in or to emulate.

Depends on how you define success. CA does fairly well both with economics and
human rights. And they help fund the (economically and morally) failing red
states.

and they support no bail release for crooks and legal drug use in public
parks.

Oh,, and don't forget since they allow the criminal to plead down to some
lesser offense, then officially according to the records that crime didn't
happen.

It's amazing how little violent crime there is when no one is prosecuted for
committing it.

It's sort of like how shop lifting has dropped once they told people they
could only steal $1999.99 at a time otherwise they it would be shoplifting.

Suddenly, according to the records, shoplifting has been all but
eliminated..

The store owners don't see it that way, but since they don't know what they
are talking about, their opinion doesn't count.

-hh

2024-10-17 16:31:09 UTC

Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there,
she was representing California, one of the most progressive States
in the USA

The MOST failed state in this nation.

Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.

Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..

Behind the USA, of which California is 14%.

Post by Scout
Should that be our model for human rights, freedom or even Carbon Emissions?
China - 3rd worst for human rights
China - among the worst abusers or personal freedom
China - worst carbon emissions of any nation having more than the next 3
combined.

Unfortunately, you can't claim that CA is a failed state by trying to
pivot from economics to something else to draw a false equivalency.
Particularly since you know that CA is more progressive than much of the
USA, both environmentally and socially...and STILL does well with GDP.

And China recognizes that they have pollution problems, which is why
they've become the world leader in solar PV deployment, high speed rail,
and nuclear power construction.

And why were you silent on Germany & Japan (#3 and #4)?

Post by Scout
Sorry, but having a large economy.. isn't really a good measure of what
is a good place to live in or to emulate.

GDP is merely an easy & irrefutable metric to rub your nose in, since no
one forced you to be so conveniently vague on your "failed state" claim.

-hh

Snit

2024-10-17 16:54:16 UTC

Post by -hh
Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there,
she was representing California, one of the most progressive States
in the USA

The MOST failed state in this nation.

Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.

Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..

Behind the USA, of which California is 14%.

Unfortunately, you can't claim that CA is a failed state by trying to
pivot from economics to something else to draw a false equivalency.
Particularly since you know that CA is more progressive than much of the
USA, both environmentally and socially...and STILL does well with GDP.
And China recognizes that they have pollution problems, which is why
they've become the world leader in solar PV deployment, high speed rail,
and nuclear power construction.

I wish the US would do more here.

Post by -hh
And why were you silent on Germany & Japan (#3 and #4)?

Post by Scout
Sorry, but having a large economy.. isn't really a good measure of what
is a good place to live in or to emulate.

GDP is merely an easy & irrefutable metric to rub your nose in, since no
one forced you to be so conveniently vague on your "failed state" claim.
-hh

Skeeter

2024-10-17 17:11:51 UTC

Post by -hh
Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there,
she was representing California, one of the most progressive States
in the USA

The MOST failed state in this nation.

Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.

Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..

Behind the USA, of which California is 14%.

Unfortunately, you can't claim that CA is a failed state by trying to
pivot from economics to something else to draw a false equivalency.
Particularly since you know that CA is more progressive than much of the
USA, both environmentally and socially...and STILL does well with GDP.
And China recognizes that they have pollution problems, which is why
they've become the world leader in solar PV deployment, high speed rail,
and nuclear power construction.

I wish the US would do more here.

Drill baby drill.

Post by -hh
And why were you silent on Germany & Japan (#3 and #4)?

Post by Scout
Sorry, but having a large economy.. isn't really a good measure of what
is a good place to live in or to emulate.

GDP is merely an easy & irrefutable metric to rub your nose in, since no
one forced you to be so conveniently vague on your "failed state" claim.
-hh

Snit

2024-10-17 17:19:26 UTC

Post by -hh
Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there,
she was representing California, one of the most progressive States
in the USA

The MOST failed state in this nation.

Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.

Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..

Behind the USA, of which California is 14%.

Unfortunately, you can't claim that CA is a failed state by trying to
pivot from economics to something else to draw a false equivalency.
Particularly since you know that CA is more progressive than much of the
USA, both environmentally and socially...and STILL does well with GDP.
And China recognizes that they have pollution problems, which is why
they've become the world leader in solar PV deployment, high speed rail,
and nuclear power construction.

I wish the US would do more here.

Drill baby drill.

We have the highest production ever. Try to learn what is going on. LOL!

Post by -hh
And why were you silent on Germany & Japan (#3 and #4)?

Post by Scout
Sorry, but having a large economy.. isn't really a good measure of what
is a good place to live in or to emulate.

GDP is merely an easy & irrefutable metric to rub your nose in, since no
one forced you to be so conveniently vague on your "failed state" claim.
-hh

pothead

2024-10-17 20:26:18 UTC

Post by -hh
Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there,
she was representing California, one of the most progressive States
in the USA

The MOST failed state in this nation.

Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.

Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..

Behind the USA, of which California is 14%.

Unfortunately, you can't claim that CA is a failed state by trying to
pivot from economics to something else to draw a false equivalency.
Particularly since you know that CA is more progressive than much of the
USA, both environmentally and socially...and STILL does well with GDP.
And China recognizes that they have pollution problems, which is why
they've become the world leader in solar PV deployment, high speed rail,
and nuclear power construction.

I wish the US would do more here.

Drill baby drill.

Indeed.

Additionally China is build coal plants as fast as they can.
Wonder why that is.
duh.

<https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/China-Keeps-Building
-Coal-Capacity-Abroad-Despite-Pledge-to-Stop.html>

<https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/energy/china-new-coal-plants-climate-
report-intl-hnk/index.html/>

The libbys are so gullible.
See Iran nuke Deal for more examples of that.

--
pothead
Kama Lama Ding Dong is the long lost sister of
Rama Lama Ding Dong

-hh

2024-10-17 20:32:30 UTC

Post by pothead
...
Additionally China is build coal plants as fast as they can.
Wonder why that is.
duh.

I've already explained the reason why to you guys.

Since you're getting even more senile, re-read the archives.

-hh

Skeeter

2024-10-17 21:18:41 UTC

Post by pothead
...
Additionally China is build coal plants as fast as they can.
Wonder why that is.
duh.

I've already explained the reason why to you guys.
Since you're getting even more senile, re-read the archives.

You never explained shit to me. Pothead isn't a guy. Get your shit
straight before you judge.

Scout

2024-10-17 18:09:36 UTC

Post by -hh
Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there,
she was representing California, one of the most progressive States
in the USA

The MOST failed state in this nation.

Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.

Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..

Behind the USA, of which California is 14%.

Unfortunately, you can't claim that CA is a failed state by trying to
pivot from economics to something else to draw a false equivalency.
Particularly since you know that CA is more progressive than much of the
USA, both environmentally and socially...and STILL does well with GDP.
And China recognizes that they have pollution problems, which is why
they've become the world leader in solar PV deployment, high speed rail,
and nuclear power construction.

I wish the US would do more here.

Sure. it's easy when you don't have to worry about pollution or those pesky
rights people claim to have.

Then of course, they have to do something with all the factory rejects. Of
course Western observers have raised concerned that the 'name plate' values
are widely over exaggerated from the actual power produced.

However, if increasing our CO2 emissions by over 100% is what you want, I'm
sure we can follow China's lead in carbon emissions, toxic pollution and
ecological disaster from the industry to the 'strip mining' the oceans of
life.

Post by -hh
And why were you silent on Germany & Japan (#3 and #4)?

Post by Scout
Sorry, but having a large economy.. isn't really a good measure of what
is a good place to live in or to emulate.

GDP is merely an easy & irrefutable metric to rub your nose in, since no
one forced you to be so conveniently vague on your "failed state" claim.
-hh

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Scout

2024-10-17 16:44:36 UTC

Post by -hh
Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there, she
was representing California, one of the most progressive States in the USA

The MOST failed state in this nation.

Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.

Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..

Behind the USA, of which California is 14%.

Yea, and just because you have a large economy does not make you good.

Unfortunately, you can't claim that CA is a failed state by trying to
pivot from economics to something else to draw a false equivalency.

Well, you tried to pivot by claiming since CA had such a great economy it
wasn't a failed state.

So.. if the economy makes it so you aren't a failed state.. then China
should be one of the best countries going behind the US.

Post by -hh
Particularly since you know that CA is more progressive than much of the
USA, both environmentally and socially...and STILL does well with GDP.

'you can't claim that CA isn't a failed state by trying to pivot from
economics to something else to draw a false equivalency'

If it is all about economics as you asserted.. then China is a wonderful
nation with all your highest ideals.

-hh

2024-10-17 20:31:07 UTC

Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there,
she was representing California, one of the most progressive
States in the USA

The MOST failed state in this nation.

Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.

Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..

Behind the USA, of which California is 14%.

Yea, and just because you have a large economy does not make you good.

Of course not. Amongst other things is the context of that GDP, which
is why one normalizes by population to find relative prosperity. China
is ~3x the population of the USA, but it is because its GDP per Capita
is so low ... roughly ~1/6th that of the USA ($13K vs $83K) ... that
they don't have a comparable amount of prosperity for its population.

Unfortunately, you can't claim that CA is a failed state by trying to
pivot from economics to something else to draw a false equivalency.

Well, you tried to pivot by claiming since CA had such a great economy
it wasn't a failed state.
So.. if the economy makes it so you aren't a failed state.. then China
should be one of the best countries going behind the US.

As per GDP per Capita, nope. See above.

Post by -hh
Particularly since you know that CA is more progressive than much of
the USA, both environmentally and socially...and STILL does well with
GDP.

'you can't claim that CA isn't a failed state by trying to pivot from
economics to something else to draw a false equivalency'
If it is all about economics as you asserted.. then China is a wonderful
nation with all your highest ideals.

As per GDP per Capita, nope.

And California's metric here is one of the better ones in the USA, at
$104,916 per capita ... and where were you again? Montana, was it?
If so, they're at $66,379, which is ~80% of the $83,347 National
average, and just ~63% of California:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP>

-hh

Pierre Delecto Romney

2024-10-17 18:28:07 UTC

Post by -hh
GDP is merely an easy & irrefutable metric to rub your nose in

Real cost of living numbers will see you and your leftarded DemonCraps
gone as a viable party real soon.

Enjoy the red wave, you asshole.

--
⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

Snit

2024-10-16 21:39:39 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
responsible for Carroll's flood bot.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

Post by pothead
Literally everything they have touched they have f^%*ed up.

Such as?
Despite the ongoing mess from CoVid that Trump screwed up back in 2020
by claiming it would 'go away' on its own, I've personally found these
post-DJT years to have been better, both perceptually and objectively.

Agreed.

Skeeter

2024-10-16 22:10:15 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
responsible for Carroll's flood bot.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

Post by pothead
Literally everything they have touched they have f^%*ed up.

Such as?
Despite the ongoing mess from CoVid that Trump screwed up back in 2020
by claiming it would 'go away' on its own, I've personally found these
post-DJT years to have been better, both perceptually and objectively.

Agreed.

-hh

2024-10-16 23:09:13 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
responsible for Carroll's flood bot.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

By what measure?

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth concentration at
the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle class, for
higher CEO pay means less for the rank & file, which is why more middle
class households are failing instead of rising up. It is the inevitable
outcome of the GOP's "Trickle-Down" economics starting from Reagan.

-hh

Skeeter

2024-10-17 00:27:23 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
responsible for Carroll's flood bot.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

By what measure?

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

I couls afford to do stuff. Crime wasn't as bad.

-hh

2024-10-17 12:55:23 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
responsible for Carroll's flood bot.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

By what measure?

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

I couls afford to do stuff.

So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?

Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?

Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?

Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't physically
go out boozing every weekend? /s

YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to work long
hours anymore.

Post by Skeeter
Crime wasn't as bad.

Interesting claim, because National crime statistics show that most
crime rates have continued to go down, despite the public's false
perception that things aren't getting better:

"Using the FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and
2022, with large decreases in the rates of robbery (-74%), aggravated
assault (-39%) and murder/nonnegligent manslaughter (-34%)."

<https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/>

TL;DR: half as bad as it used to be.

Thus said, there have been changes in opportunistic nonviolent property
theft, such as stealing FedEx deliveries, washing checks stolen from the
mail, etc, but property crime still been trending down over time:

"The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property crime rate
between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates of burglary
(-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) and motor vehicle theft (-53%)."

-Ibid

So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely your
personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region?
Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true.

-hh

Skeeter

2024-10-17 13:51:07 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
responsible for Carroll's flood bot.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

By what measure?

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

I couls afford to do stuff.

So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?
Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't physically
go out boozing every weekend? /s
YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to work long
hours anymore.

Post by Skeeter
Crime wasn't as bad.

Interesting claim, because National crime statistics show that most
crime rates have continued to go down, despite the public's false
"Using the FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and
2022, with large decreases in the rates of robbery (-74%), aggravated
assault (-39%) and murder/nonnegligent manslaughter (-34%)."
<https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/>
TL;DR: half as bad as it used to be.
Thus said, there have been changes in opportunistic nonviolent property
theft, such as stealing FedEx deliveries, washing checks stolen from the
"The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property crime rate
between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates of burglary
(-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) and motor vehicle theft (-53%)."
-Ibid
So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely your
personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region?
Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true.
-hh

Moron.

-hh

2024-10-17 16:31:40 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
responsible for Carroll's flood bot.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

By what measure?

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

I couls afford to do stuff.

So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?
Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't physically
go out boozing every weekend? /s
YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to work long
hours anymore.

Post by Skeeter
Crime wasn't as bad.

Moron.

Translation: Nailed It.

So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?

-hh

Skeeter

2024-10-17 16:36:54 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
responsible for Carroll's flood bot.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

By what measure?

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

I couls afford to do stuff.

So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?
Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't physically
go out boozing every weekend? /s
YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to work long
hours anymore.

Post by Skeeter
Crime wasn't as bad.

Moron.

Translation: Nailed It.
So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
-hh

I was already retired. What does that have to do with you being a moron?

Scout

2024-10-17 18:10:34 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is
that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo
sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the
barrel", if you
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you
can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger"
instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a
signifiant
issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the
world is is
saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
responsible for Carroll's flood bot.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that
Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle
down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

By what measure?

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were
not buying
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used
to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

I couls afford to do stuff.

So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?
Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't physically
go out boozing every weekend? /s
YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to work long
hours anymore.

Post by Skeeter
Crime wasn't as bad.

Moron.

Translation: Nailed It.
So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
-hh

I was already retired. What does that have to do with you being a moron?

It keeps him from having to admit it?

-hh

2024-10-17 20:47:29 UTC

On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote >>>>>>

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?"

is >>>>>>>>>>>> that there's

Post by -hh
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids

undergo >>>>>>>>>>>> sex change

Post by -hh
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in

the >>>>>>>>>> barrel", if you

Post by pothead
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you
can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger"
instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you

did >>>>>>> choose

Post by -hh
to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you
being
upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?

He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you

have a >>>>>> signifiant

issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the
world is is
saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by

using >>>>>>> objective

Post by -hh
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that

I am >>>>>> somehow

responsible for Carroll's flood bot.

Post by pothead
You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact

remains >>>>>>>> that

Post by pothead
the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and

the >>>>>>>> polls

Post by pothead
show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
And that is a fact.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a
mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that
Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with

inflation, >>>>>>> we

Post by -hh
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric,

and >>>>>>> is 102%

Post by -hh
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle
down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor

did >>>>>> the

pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

By what measure?

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people

were >>>>>>>> not buying

Post by pothead
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer

running, >>>>>>> Harris

Post by -hh
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as

the >>>>>>>> worst

Post by pothead
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but
this time
from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's

"WIN" >>>>>>> (Whip

Post by -hh
Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real
wages
catch up?

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity.

Used >>>>>> to be a CEO

made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth

concentration >>>> at

Post by -hh
the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle

class, >>>> for

Post by -hh
higher CEO pay means less for the rank & file, which is why more middle
class households are failing instead of rising up. It is the
inevitable
outcome of the GOP's "Trickle-Down" economics starting from Reagan.
-hh

I couls afford to do stuff.

So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?
Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't >>

physically

Post by -hh
go out boozing every weekend? /s
YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to

work >> long

Post by -hh
hours anymore.

Post by Skeeter
Crime wasn't as bad.

says-about-crime-in-the-us/>

Post by -hh
TL;DR: half as bad as it used to be.
Thus said, there have been changes in opportunistic nonviolent >>

property

Post by -hh
theft, such as stealing FedEx deliveries, washing checks stolen

from >> the

Post by -hh
"The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property
crime rate between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates
of burglary (-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) & motor vehicle theft (-53%)."
-Ibid
So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely
your
personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region?
Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true.
-hh

Moron.

Translation: Nailed It.
So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
-hh

I was already retired. What does that have to do with you being a moron?

It keeps him from having to admit it?

Yes, we all noticed how Skeeter's diversion attempt also let him try to
dodge the crime topic too.

-hh

Skeeter

2024-10-17 21:34:23 UTC

On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote >>>>>>

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?"

is >>>>>>>>>>>> that there's

Post by -hh
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids

undergo >>>>>>>>>>>> sex change

Post by -hh
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in

the >>>>>>>>>> barrel", if you

Post by pothead
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you
can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger"
instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you

did >>>>>>> choose

Post by -hh
to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you
being
upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?

He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you

have a >>>>>> signifiant

issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the
world is is
saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by

using >>>>>>> objective

Post by -hh
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that

I am >>>>>> somehow

responsible for Carroll's flood bot.

Post by pothead
You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact

remains >>>>>>>> that

Post by pothead
the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and

the >>>>>>>> polls

Post by pothead
show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
And that is a fact.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a
mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that
Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with

inflation, >>>>>>> we

Post by -hh
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric,

and >>>>>>> is 102%

Post by -hh
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle
down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor

did >>>>>> the

pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

By what measure?

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people

were >>>>>>>> not buying

Post by pothead
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer

running, >>>>>>> Harris

Post by -hh
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as

the >>>>>>>> worst

Post by pothead
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but
this time
from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's

"WIN" >>>>>>> (Whip

Post by -hh
Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real
wages
catch up?

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity.

Used >>>>>> to be a CEO

made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth

concentration >>>> at

Post by -hh
the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle

class, >>>> for

I couls afford to do stuff.

So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?
Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't >>

physically

Post by -hh
go out boozing every weekend? /s
YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to

work >> long

Post by -hh
hours anymore.

Post by Skeeter
Crime wasn't as bad.

says-about-crime-in-the-us/>

Post by -hh
TL;DR: half as bad as it used to be.
Thus said, there have been changes in opportunistic nonviolent >>

property

Post by -hh
theft, such as stealing FedEx deliveries, washing checks stolen

from >> the

Moron.

Translation: Nailed It.
So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
-hh

I was already retired. What does that have to do with you being a moron?

It keeps him from having to admit it?

Yes, we all noticed how Skeeter's diversion attempt also let him try to
dodge the crime topic too.

Like Hillary said about the dead soldiers in Benghazi "at this point
what difference does it make?"

Post by -hh
-hh

Snit

2024-10-17 21:35:52 UTC

On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote >>>>>>

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?"

is >>>>>>>>>>>> that there's

Post by -hh
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids

undergo >>>>>>>>>>>> sex change

Post by -hh
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in

the >>>>>>>>>> barrel", if you

Post by pothead
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you
can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger"
instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you

did >>>>>>> choose

Post by -hh
to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?

He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you

have a >>>>>> signifiant

issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the
world is is
saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by

using >>>>>>> objective

Post by -hh
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that

I am >>>>>> somehow

responsible for Carroll's flood bot.

Post by pothead
You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact

remains >>>>>>>> that

Post by pothead
the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and

the >>>>>>>> polls

Post by pothead
show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
And that is a fact.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a
mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that
Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with

inflation, >>>>>>> we

Post by -hh
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric,

and >>>>>>> is 102%

Post by -hh
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle
down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor

did >>>>>> the

pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

By what measure?

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people

were >>>>>>>> not buying

Post by pothead
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer

running, >>>>>>> Harris

Post by -hh
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as

the >>>>>>>> worst

Post by pothead
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but
this time
from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's

"WIN" >>>>>>> (Whip

Post by -hh
Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real wages
catch up?

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity.

Used >>>>>> to be a CEO

made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth

concentration >>>> at

Post by -hh
the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle

class, >>>> for

Post by -hh
higher CEO pay means less for the rank & file, which is why more middle
class households are failing instead of rising up. It is the inevitable
outcome of the GOP's "Trickle-Down" economics starting from Reagan.
-hh

I couls afford to do stuff.

So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?
Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't >>

physically

Post by -hh
go out boozing every weekend? /s
YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to

work >> long

Post by -hh
hours anymore.

Post by Skeeter
Crime wasn't as bad.

property

Post by -hh
theft, such as stealing FedEx deliveries, washing checks stolen

from >> the

Post by -hh
"The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property
crime rate between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates
of burglary (-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) & motor vehicle theft (-53%)."
-Ibid
So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely your
personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region?
Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true.
-hh

Moron.

Translation: Nailed It.
So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
-hh

I was already retired. What does that have to do with you being a moron?

It keeps him from having to admit it?

Yes, we all noticed how Skeeter's diversion attempt also let him try to
dodge the crime topic too.

Like Hillary said about the dead soldiers in Benghazi "at this point
what difference does it make?

The quote from Hillary Clinton regarding Benghazi has often been taken out of
context and misrepresented, so let’s clarify what she actually said and
address the broader issue:

1. Context of the Quote

The full quote from Hillary Clinton during a 2013 Senate hearing on Benghazi
was in response to a question about the changing explanations provided by the
administration in the immediate aftermath of the attack. Here’s the full
quote:

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because
of a protest, or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided
they’d go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It
is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it
from ever happening again.”

In context, she was not dismissing the deaths of the four Americans but rather
expressing frustration over the political focus on the administration’s early
characterizations of the attack, rather than the more important issue of
understanding what went wrong and ensuring such a tragedy wouldn’t be
repeated.

2. The Purpose of the Hearing

The hearing was focused on the operational failures that led to the deaths of
four Americans in Benghazi, not just the public messaging about the event.
Clinton’s point was that, at that moment, the priority should be on learning
from the event to prevent future attacks, not on litigating the shifting
public explanations after the fact.

3. Investigations and Findings

There were multiple investigations into Benghazi, including bipartisan ones,
and none found evidence of deliberate wrongdoing or neglect on Clinton’s part
that directly led to the deaths. Many of the criticisms that followed were
politically motivated rather than based on factual evidence of malfeasance.

4. Conclusion

The quote is often used to portray Clinton as callous or indifferent to the
deaths, but that interpretation doesn’t align with the full context. Her
response was about moving the focus away from politicizing the event and
toward understanding the security failures to prevent future loss of life.

So, using this quote to suggest she was dismissive of the deaths in Benghazi
is a misrepresentation of her actual position during the hearing.

Skeeter

2024-10-17 22:05:19 UTC

On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote >>>>>>

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?"

is >>>>>>>>>>>> that there's

Post by -hh
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids

undergo >>>>>>>>>>>> sex change

Post by -hh
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in

the >>>>>>>>>> barrel", if you

Post by pothead
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you
can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger"
instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was*
your
motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you

did >>>>>>> choose

Post by -hh
to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you
being
upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?

He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you

have a >>>>>> signifiant

issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the
world is is
saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by

using >>>>>>> objective

Post by -hh
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that

I am >>>>>> somehow

responsible for Carroll's flood bot.

Post by pothead
You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact

remains >>>>>>>> that

Post by pothead
the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and

the >>>>>>>> polls

Post by pothead
show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
And that is a fact.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a
mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that
Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with

inflation, >>>>>>> we

Post by -hh
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric,

and >>>>>>> is 102%

Post by -hh
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle
down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor

did >>>>>> the

pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

By what measure?

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people

were >>>>>>>> not buying

Post by pothead
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer

running, >>>>>>> Harris

Post by -hh
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as

the >>>>>>>> worst

Post by pothead
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but
this time
from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's

"WIN" >>>>>>> (Whip

Post by -hh
Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real
wages
catch up?

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity.

Used >>>>>> to be a CEO

made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth

concentration >>>> at

Post by -hh
the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle

class, >>>> for

I couls afford to do stuff.

So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?
Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't >>

physically

Post by -hh
go out boozing every weekend? /s
YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to

work >> long

Post by -hh
hours anymore.

Post by Skeeter
Crime wasn't as bad.

property

Post by -hh
theft, such as stealing FedEx deliveries, washing checks stolen

from >> the

Post by -hh
"The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property
crime rate between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates
of burglary (-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) & motor vehicle theft (-53%)."
-Ibid
So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely your
personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region?
Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true.
-hh

Moron.

Translation: Nailed It.
So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
-hh

I was already retired. What does that have to do with you being a moron?

It keeps him from having to admit it?

Yes, we all noticed how Skeeter's diversion attempt also let him try to
dodge the crime topic too.

Like Hillary said about the dead soldiers in Benghazi "at this point
what difference does it make?

The quote from Hillary Clinton regarding Benghazi has often been taken out of
context and misrepresented, so let?s clarify what she actually said and
1. Context of the Quote
The full quote from Hillary Clinton during a 2013 Senate hearing on Benghazi
was in response to a question about the changing explanations provided by the
administration in the immediate aftermath of the attack. Here?s the full
?With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because
of a protest, or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided
they?d go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It
is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it
from ever happening again.?
In context, she was not dismissing the deaths of the four Americans but rather
expressing frustration over the political focus on the administration?s early
characterizations of the attack, rather than the more important issue of
understanding what went wrong and ensuring such a tragedy wouldn?t be
repeated.
2. The Purpose of the Hearing
The hearing was focused on the operational failures that led to the deaths of
four Americans in Benghazi, not just the public messaging about the event.
Clinton?s point was that, at that moment, the priority should be on learning
from the event to prevent future attacks, not on litigating the shifting
public explanations after the fact.
3. Investigations and Findings
There were multiple investigations into Benghazi, including bipartisan ones,
and none found evidence of deliberate wrongdoing or neglect on Clinton?s part
that directly led to the deaths. Many of the criticisms that followed were
politically motivated rather than based on factual evidence of malfeasance.
4. Conclusion
The quote is often used to portray Clinton as callous or indifferent to the
deaths, but that interpretation doesn?t align with the full context. Her
response was about moving the focus away from politicizing the event and
toward understanding the security failures to prevent future loss of life.
So, using this quote to suggest she was dismissive of the deaths in Benghazi
is a misrepresentation of her actual position during the hearing.

I watched it. Her body language said it all.
Remember when they asked her if she wiped her hard drive? She said
"what? with a cloth or something" Remember that. Explain that one.

Snit

2024-10-17 22:16:10 UTC

On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote >>>>>>

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?"

is >>>>>>>>>>>> that there's

Post by -hh
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids

undergo >>>>>>>>>>>> sex change

Post by -hh
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in

the >>>>>>>>>> barrel", if you

Post by pothead
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you
can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger"
instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was*
your
motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you

did >>>>>>> choose

Post by -hh
to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you
being
upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?

He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you

have a >>>>>> signifiant

issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the
world is is
saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by

using >>>>>>> objective

Post by -hh
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that

I am >>>>>> somehow

responsible for Carroll's flood bot.

Post by pothead
You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact

remains >>>>>>>> that

Post by pothead
the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and

the >>>>>>>> polls

Post by pothead
show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
And that is a fact.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a
mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that
Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with

inflation, >>>>>>> we

Post by -hh
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric,

and >>>>>>> is 102%

Post by -hh
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle
down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor

did >>>>>> the

pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

By what measure?

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people

were >>>>>>>> not buying

Post by pothead
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer

running, >>>>>>> Harris

Post by -hh
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as

the >>>>>>>> worst

Post by pothead
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but
this time
from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's

"WIN" >>>>>>> (Whip

Post by -hh
Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real
wages
catch up?

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity.

Used >>>>>> to be a CEO

made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth

concentration >>>> at

Post by -hh
the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle

class, >>>> for

I couls afford to do stuff.

So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?
Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't >>

physically

Post by -hh
go out boozing every weekend? /s
YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to

work >> long

Post by -hh
hours anymore.

Post by Skeeter
Crime wasn't as bad.

property

Post by -hh
theft, such as stealing FedEx deliveries, washing checks stolen

from >> the

Post by -hh
"The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property
crime rate between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates
of burglary (-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) & motor vehicle theft (-53%)."
-Ibid
So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely your
personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region?
Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true.
-hh

Moron.

Translation: Nailed It.
So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
-hh

I was already retired. What does that have to do with you being a moron?

It keeps him from having to admit it?

Yes, we all noticed how Skeeter's diversion attempt also let him try to
dodge the crime topic too.

Like Hillary said about the dead soldiers in Benghazi "at this point
what difference does it make?

I watched it. Her body language said it all.

So no actual response. No video even. Just your feelings. You focus on those a
lot.

Post by Skeeter
Remember when they asked her if she wiped her hard drive? She said
"what? with a cloth or something" Remember that. Explain that one.

That is not relevant.

Skeeter

2024-10-17 22:22:05 UTC

Post by Skeeter
Remember when they asked her if she wiped her hard drive? She said
"what? with a cloth or something" Remember that. Explain that one.

That is not relevant.

It is. She's a cunt.

Snit

2024-10-17 23:07:27 UTC

Post by Skeeter
Remember when they asked her if she wiped her hard drive? She said
"what? with a cloth or something" Remember that. Explain that one.

That is not relevant.

It is. She's a cunt.

You ran from the fact the claims about her were not true.

Skeeter

2024-10-17 23:28:28 UTC

Post by Skeeter
Remember when they asked her if she wiped her hard drive? She said
"what? with a cloth or something" Remember that. Explain that one.

That is not relevant.

It is. She's a cunt.

You ran from the fact the claims about her were not true.

They were. I watched and listened.

When she said "with a cloth or something" I knew she was guilty.

Snit

2024-10-17 23:43:40 UTC

On Oct 17, 2024 at 4:28:28 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<67119d69$0$2761$***@reader.netnews.com>:

The topic:

Like Hillary said about the dead soldiers in Benghazi "at
this point what difference does it make?

A long, well researched refutation was offered. You have no counter. Seems we
have reached agreement that there is no evidence her quote, taken out of
context, was something to complain about.

Thank you.

For those who missed the refutation:

The quote from Hillary Clinton regarding Benghazi has often been taken out of
context and misrepresented, so let?s clarify what she actually said and
address the broader issue:

1. Context of the Quote

The full quote from Hillary Clinton during a 2013 Senate hearing on Benghazi
was in response to a question about the changing explanations provided by the
administration in the immediate aftermath of the attack. Here?s the full
quote:

?With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because
of a protest, or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided
they?d go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It
is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it
from ever happening again.?

In context, she was not dismissing the deaths of the four Americans but rather
expressing frustration over the political focus on the administration?s early
characterizations of the attack, rather than the more important issue of
understanding what went wrong and ensuring such a tragedy wouldn?t be
repeated.

2. The Purpose of the Hearing

The hearing was focused on the operational failures that led to the deaths of
four Americans in Benghazi, not just the public messaging about the event.
Clinton?s point was that, at that moment, the priority should be on learning
from the event to prevent future attacks, not on litigating the shifting
public explanations after the fact.

3. Investigations and Findings

There were multiple investigations into Benghazi, including bipartisan ones,
and none found evidence of deliberate wrongdoing or neglect on Clinton?s part
that directly led to the deaths. Many of the criticisms that followed were
politically motivated rather than based on factual evidence of malfeasance.

4. Conclusion

The quote is often used to portray Clinton as callous or indifferent to the
deaths, but that interpretation doesn?t align with the full context. Her
response was about moving the focus away from politicizing the event and
toward understanding the security failures to prevent future loss of life.

So, using this quote to suggest she was dismissive of the deaths in Benghazi
is a misrepresentation of her actual position during the hearing.

Skeeter

2024-10-17 23:49:17 UTC

Post by Skeeter
Like Hillary said about the dead soldiers in Benghazi "at
this point what difference does it make?
A long, well researched refutation was offered. You have no counter. Seems we
have reached agreement that there is no evidence her quote, taken out of
context, was something to complain about.
Thank you.
The quote from Hillary Clinton regarding Benghazi has often been taken out of
context and misrepresented, so let?s clarify what she actually said and
1. Context of the Quote
The full quote from Hillary Clinton during a 2013 Senate hearing on Benghazi
was in response to a question about the changing explanations provided by the
administration in the immediate aftermath of the attack. Here?s the full
?With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because
of a protest, or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided
they?d go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It
is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it
from ever happening again.?
In context, she was not dismissing the deaths of the four Americans but rather
expressing frustration over the political focus on the administration?s early
characterizations of the attack, rather than the more important issue of
understanding what went wrong and ensuring such a tragedy wouldn?t be
repeated.
2. The Purpose of the Hearing
The hearing was focused on the operational failures that led to the deaths of
four Americans in Benghazi, not just the public messaging about the event.
Clinton?s point was that, at that moment, the priority should be on learning
from the event to prevent future attacks, not on litigating the shifting
public explanations after the fact.
3. Investigations and Findings
There were multiple investigations into Benghazi, including bipartisan ones,
and none found evidence of deliberate wrongdoing or neglect on Clinton?s part
that directly led to the deaths. Many of the criticisms that followed were
politically motivated rather than based on factual evidence of malfeasance.
4. Conclusion
The quote is often used to portray Clinton as callous or indifferent to the
deaths, but that interpretation doesn?t align with the full context. Her
response was about moving the focus away from politicizing the event and
toward understanding the security failures to prevent future loss of life.
So, using this quote to suggest she was dismissive of the deaths in Benghazi
is a misrepresentation of her actual position during the hearing.

At this point what difference does it make?

-hh

2024-10-17 20:15:55 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
responsible for Carroll's flood bot.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

By what measure?

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

I couls afford to do stuff.

So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?
Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't physically
go out boozing every weekend? /s
YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to work long
hours anymore.

Post by Skeeter
Crime wasn't as bad.

Moron.

Translation: Nailed It.
So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
-hh

I was already retired. What does that have to do with you being a moron?

Oh, so then what you're really saying is that you failed on your own
retirement planning to take inflation into account.

So then, was your personal planning failure due to recency bias?
Or have you always been bad at math & finances? /s

Because there's not been a major enough Market downturn to blame it on
Sequence of Returns risks since ~2008.

-hh

Skeeter

2024-10-17 21:00:16 UTC

Post by -hh
You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
operations.

Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
http://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.

I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
get my drift.
Pun intended.

Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
-hh

Mad?
Hardly.
I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
It's a waste of energy.

He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.

Post by pothead
I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
saying.
That's something you seem unable to do.

On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.

Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
responsible for Carroll's flood bot.

And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

By what measure?

Post by pothead
He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
that message so he stopped promoting it.

Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
has emphasized different top messaging points.

Post by pothead
The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

I couls afford to do stuff.

So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?
Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't physically
go out boozing every weekend? /s
YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to work long
hours anymore.

Post by Skeeter
Crime wasn't as bad.

Moron.

Translation: Nailed It.
So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
-hh

I was already retired. What does that have to do with you being a moron?

Oh, so then what you're really saying is that you failed on your own
retirement planning to take inflation into account.

I never said any of that liar.

Post by -hh
So then, was your personal planning failure due to recency bias?
Or have you always been bad at math & finances? /s

<blink> Anyway prices are almost double than what they were.

Post by -hh
Because there's not been a major enough Market downturn to blame it on
Sequence of Returns risks since ~2008.

Gas? Food? Keep sucking up that kool aid.

Oh and you're still a moron.

Post by -hh
-hh

Pierre Delecto Romney

2024-10-17 18:26:57 UTC

Post by -hh
So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
-hh

Yours seems to be treason - pay well?

--
⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

Snit

2024-10-17 01:00:30 UTC

Post by -hh
And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but this time
from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's "WIN" (Whip
Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real wages
catch up?

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

Thank you. Worded better than I would have.

Post by -hh
-hh

-hh

2024-10-17 12:56:54 UTC

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

Thank you. Worded better than I would have.

For those people paying attention, there's been many examples of
corporations who give big CEO pay and do huge stock buybacks ...

...and then try to claim that there's no money left for workers.

Boeing is one going through just prior to their worker strike.

-hh

Snit

2024-10-17 13:47:54 UTC

Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.

So?

Thank you. Worded better than I would have.

For those people paying attention, there's been many examples of
corporations who give big CEO pay and do huge stock buybacks ...
...and then try to claim that there's no money left for workers.

Right. It is madness.

Post by -hh
Boeing is one going through just prior to their worker strike.

I have not followed that... but do not doubt it.

Post by -hh
-hh

Snit

2024-10-16 23:11:41 UTC

On Oct 16, 2024 at 3:10:15 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671039c9$3$2385538$***@reader.netnews.com>:
...

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

You clearly are not doing well now.

Skeeter

2024-10-17 00:28:04 UTC

Post by Snit
...

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

You clearly are not doing well now.

Well enough to keep you foaming and feeling harmed.

Snit

2024-10-17 01:02:36 UTC

Post by Snit
...

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

You clearly are not doing well now.

Well enough to keep you foaming and feeling harmed.

Your focus on feeling is a bit funny to me, but pretty typical of Trump
supporters. I prefer to look at evidence, equal rights, and other morality.

Skeeter

2024-10-17 01:28:28 UTC

Post by Snit
...

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

You clearly are not doing well now.

Well enough to keep you foaming and feeling harmed.

Your focus on feeling is a bit funny to me, but pretty typical of Trump
supporters. I prefer to look at evidence, equal rights, and other morality.

Yet you feel harmed by dots on a screen.

Snit

2024-10-17 01:54:25 UTC

Post by Snit
...

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

You clearly are not doing well now.

Well enough to keep you foaming and feeling harmed.

Your focus on feeling is a bit funny to me, but pretty typical of Trump
supporters. I prefer to look at evidence, equal rights, and other morality.

Yet you feel harmed by dots on a screen.

Your focus on feelings is a YOU issue.

Skeeter

2024-10-17 02:36:49 UTC

Post by Snit
...

Post by pothead
Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.

So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
of the way there by another metric.

We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.

I was better off when Trump was in office.

You clearly are not doing well now.

Well enough to keep you foaming and feeling harmed.

Your focus on feeling is a bit funny to me, but pretty typical of Trump
supporters. I prefer to look at evidence, equal rights, and other morality.

Yet you feel harmed by dots on a screen.

Your focus on feelings is a YOU issue.

Do you still feel harmed?

Snit

2024-10-17 02:46:05 UTC

Post by Snit
Your focus on feelings is a YOU issue.

Do you still feel harmed?

You’re pulling a Carroll move here—just like him, you’re making up claims in
your head and holding others accountable for them. I was going to ask which of
my comments you’re referring to, but you’re not actually referring to any.
You’re creating something out of thin air and expecting me to answer for your
own thoughts.

Skeeter

2024-10-17 03:16:50 UTC

Post by Snit
Your focus on feelings is a YOU issue.

Do you still feel harmed?

You?re pulling a Carroll move here?just like him, you?re making up claims in
your head and holding others accountable for them. I was going to ask which of
my comments you?re referring to, but you?re not actually referring to any.
You?re creating something out of thin air and expecting me to answer for your
own thoughts.

Well do you?

Snit

2024-10-17 03:27:25 UTC

Post by Snit
Your focus on feelings is a YOU issue.

Do you still feel harmed?

Well do you?

You show as little understanding as Carroll does. Is his hand up your rear?

Skeeter

2024-10-17 13:03:53 UTC

Post by Snit
Your focus on feelings is a YOU issue.

Do you still feel harmed?

Well do you?

You show as little understanding as Carroll does. Is his hand up your rear?

Answer the question.

Snit

2024-10-17 13:47:55 UTC

Post by Snit
Your focus on feelings is a YOU issue.

Do you still feel harmed?

Well do you?

You show as little understanding as Carroll does. Is his hand up your rear?

Answer the question.

I’ve addressed this many times, but you continue to avoid it. This highlights
an entitled perspective.

The point is: unlike you, I’m focused on logic and facts, as has been said
repeatedly.

Let’s move on. Don’t assume others are as focused on emotions as you seem to
be. Some of us prioritize evidence and reason. Stop the complaints and
emotional responses.

That’s the issue—your emotions are clearly influencing your behavior.

Skeeter

2024-10-17 14:02:35 UTC

Post by Snit
Your focus on feelings is a YOU issue.

Do you still feel harmed?

Well do you?

You show as little understanding as Carroll does. Is his hand up your rear?

Answer the question.

I?ve addressed this many times, but you continue to avoid it. This highlights
an entitled perspective.
The point is: unlike you, I?m focused on logic and facts, as has been said
repeatedly.
Let?s move on. Don?t assume others are as focused on emotions as you seem to
be. Some of us prioritize evidence and reason. Stop the complaints and
emotional responses.
That?s the issue?your emotions are clearly influencing your behavior.

Answer the damn question Kamalla.

Creon

2024-10-16 22:29:12 UTC

Post by -hh
Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there, she
was representing California, one of the most progressive States in the
USA (and also one of the strongest economies too ... coincidence?), so
that was what the constituents expected from their representative.

We're the world's 5th largest economy, bigger than France.

It's not perfect, but it's got a lot going for it -- and
a lot of the federal monies it generates end up in red states,
which can't seem to take care of themselves.

--
-c

Governor Swill

2024-10-16 16:47:49 UTC

On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 15:36:07 -0400, -hh <***@huntzinger.com> wrote:

Just wondering why you're responding to such an obvious and lame troll.
--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 21 days.

46) Trump tried to shut down the Mueller investigation by ordering
White House counsel Don McGahn to fire Mueller. McGahn refused
because that would be criminal obstruction of justice.

47) Trump ordered his staff not to turn over emails showing Don Jr.
had set up a meeting at Trump Tower before the 2016 election with
representatives of the Russian government.

48) Trump convinced Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about Trump's
plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, and Cohen served prison
time for lying to Congress.

49) Trump was not charged for criminal obstruction of justice
because it's the Justice Department's policy not to indict a
sitting president. But more than a thousand former federal
prosecutors who served under both Republicans and Democrats
signed a letter declaring there was more than enough evidence
to prosecute Trump.

Obama-Biden-Harris

2024-10-11 21:49:36 UTC

Such a biased, partisan hatchet job it's funny.
It's the latest rightwing fad in hit pieces -- Artificial without
Intelligence.

hotair is right wing anchor baby michelle malkin's site.
they need to deport her back to the phillipines.

Check out the wig on this 'ho.

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A woman who said she was raped last year by the man charged with killing Eliza Fletcher says police in Memphis, Tennessee, did not properly investigate her case and that if they had done so, Fletcher would be alive.

In a lawsuit against the city of Memphis, Alicia Franklin said that she met Cleotha Abston on a dating app last year and that they talked for about a month before they met in person on Sept. 21, 2021, at The Lakes at Ridgeway apartments.

Franklin said in the suit that she and Abston, whom she knew as "Cleo," had planned to go to dinner but that when she arrived, he pulled a gun and forced her into a vacant apartment.

Abston, who told Franklin that he was a maintenance worker at the complex, blindfolded her with his T-shirt and threatened to kill her, according to the lawsuit, filed Tuesday in Shelby County Circuit Court.

The suit says Abston walked Franklin through the apartment and out a back door to his vehicle, where, she says, he raped her in the back seat.

Abston was charged with aggravated rape this month in the 2021 incident and pleaded not guilty.

Franklin said in the suit that she tried to stop Abston by telling him she was pregnant but that he seemed "unmoved."

She said Abston then stole money from her and made her wait in the apartment until he drove away, according to the court document.

Franklin said she immediately sought medical attention and reported the attack to Memphis police. The lawsuit says she submitted to a forensic medical examination, in which a sexual assault kit was gathered, including DNA evidence.

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Cleotha Abston appears in court for his arraignment in Memphis, Tenn., on Sept. 6.Mark Weber / Daily Memphian via AP file

She took officers to the scene, the lawsuit says, but police "took no physical evidence directly from the crime scene itself." Franklin gave investigators the name "Cleo," his telephone number, a description of his vehicle and his social media accounts, including the dating app they met on, according to the lawsuit.

Days after the assault, Franklin was asked to look at a photo lineup of possible suspects. The lawsuit says that police included an older photograph of Abston in the lineup but that Franklin could not identify her attacker.

For months, Franklin was given no update about her case. According to the lawsuit, police sent the sexual assault kit to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, or TBI, but did not ask for processing to be expedited.

Police and the city declined to comment Wednesday, citing pending litigation.

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Eliza Fletcher.Memphis Police Department

The sexual assault kit remained untouched until June, according to the lawsuit. It was not determined that the DNA matched Abstonâs until Sept. 5, three days after he is accused of forcing Fletcher into his SUV while she was on an early morning jog.

Abston, 38, was arrested the next day after police found the SUV in a parking lot by his residence, an affidavit says. He was arraigned on several charges, including first-degree murder and kidnapping.

Fletcherâs body was found Sept. 5 in a vacant duplex apartment. A cause and manner of death have not been released.

Franklin's lawsuit says Abston "should and could have been arrested and indicted for the aggravated rape of Alicia Franklin many months earlier, most likely in the year 2021 ... and the abduction and murder of Eliza Fletcher would not have occurred."

The TBI said it rarely knows the details of cases and relies on local law enforcement agencies to submit pertinent information. It expedites cases only at the request of local law enforcement agencies, it said in an emailed statement.

Franklin's case "was put into the queue of unknown assailant kits, as no request was made for TBI analysis to be expedited, and no suspect information or DNA standard was included in the submission," the agency said in its statement. Franklin's kit was pulled in June to be examined along with 19 other kits.

The agency said that during the investigation into Fletcher's kidnapping, Memphis police informed it of a possible link to Franklin's assault.

Franklin told NBC affiliate WMC of Memphis that she did not want to get into the "spotlight" but felt sharing her story could "help a lot of women come forward."

The lawsuit seeks unspecified damages.

A spokesperson for Fletcher's family could not immediately be reached for comment.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/woman-says-memphis-police-failed-investigate-rape-suspect-now-charged-rcna48806

Obama-Biden-Harris

2024-10-11 22:49:44 UTC

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

What a bitter man.

I see most are in Red States. Rightists like having their balls cut off.
If you listen to Trump whine you know he's been castrated.

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MEMPHIS, Tenn. â A man is in custody after being accused of sexually assaulting a woman, burning her with a blow torch and holding her hostage for three days, Memphis Police say.

Marshun Foxx, 42, was arrested on Monday and charged with aggravated rape and especially aggravated kidnapping for the following incident.

On Monday at approximately 5:00 p.m., Memphis Police responded to a complaint in the 3600 block of Townes Street and were met by a female victim.

She told them that last Friday, a man she knew as âLeviâ drove up to her on Jackson Avenue in a grey sedan.

Another man jumped out of the passenger side of the vehicle and allegedly put a gun to her head and forced her into the vehicle.

Levi and the other man drove the victim to a barbershop on Jackson Avenue.

Levi then drove off and the other man dragged the victim by her feet into a shed in the rear of the barbershop.

The victim told officers that the man then allegedly forced her to perform oral sex before attempting to penetrate her. She said that his attempts were unsuccessful.

Thatâs when the victim said he began to beat her with his fists and burned her with a blow torch on her back.

After being held against her will for three days, the man finally let the victim go.

As officers were taking the victim to Rape Crisis, she saw the man that sexually assaulted her and pointed him out to officers.

The man was taken into custody and later identified as Marshun Foxx.

The victim made a single-shot identification of Foxx, confirming he was the individual responsible for assaulting her.

A man who asked not to be identified spoke with WREG about Foxx and said that he lives in the shed where heâd allegedly held the victim against her will.

The man said he learned to steer clear of Foxx.

âHe done came at me one time like he was going to do something to me, so I just stopped messing with him,â he said.

He added that Foxx was known to have women in his shed.

âHe had women back there more than one time though,â the man said. âI done seen them before cause I stay right up the street.â

As Memphis Police continue to investigate, the man said he hopes Foxx pays for what heâs been accused of.

âIf he did wrong, he got to accept it,â he said.

Foxx is set to appear before a judge on October 9.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/mid-south/memphis-rape-blow-torch/

Obama-Biden-Harris

2024-10-12 02:18:36 UTC

Such a biased, partisan hatchet job it's funny.
It's the latest rightwing fad in hit pieces -- Artificial without
Intelligence.

hotair is right wing anchor baby michelle malkin's site.
they need to deport her back to the phillipines.

Check out the wig on this 'ho.

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1000w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2022-09/220921-alicia-franklin-mjf-1603-a66d4e.jpg

A woman who said she was raped last year by the man charged with killing Eliza Fletcher says police in Memphis, Tennessee, did not properly investigate her case and that if they had done so, Fletcher would be alive.

In a lawsuit against the city of Memphis, Alicia Franklin said that she met Cleotha Abston on a dating app last year and that they talked for about a month before they met in person on Sept. 21, 2021, at The Lakes at Ridgeway apartments.

Franklin said in the suit that she and Abston, whom she knew as "Cleo," had planned to go to dinner but that when she arrived, he pulled a gun and forced her into a vacant apartment.

Abston, who told Franklin that he was a maintenance worker at the complex, blindfolded her with his T-shirt and threatened to kill her, according to the lawsuit, filed Tuesday in Shelby County Circuit Court.

The suit says Abston walked Franklin through the apartment and out a back door to his vehicle, where, she says, he raped her in the back seat.

Abston was charged with aggravated rape this month in the 2021 incident and pleaded not guilty.

Franklin said in the suit that she tried to stop Abston by telling him she was pregnant but that he seemed "unmoved."

She said Abston then stole money from her and made her wait in the apartment until he drove away, according to the court document.

Franklin said she immediately sought medical attention and reported the attack to Memphis police. The lawsuit says she submitted to a forensic medical examination, in which a sexual assault kit was gathered, including DNA evidence.

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-560w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2022-09/220921-cleotha-abston-mjf-1553-29d321.jpg
Cleotha Abston appears in court for his arraignment in Memphis, Tenn., on Sept. 6.Mark Weber / Daily Memphian via AP file

She took officers to the scene, the lawsuit says, but police "took no physical evidence directly from the crime scene itself." Franklin gave investigators the name "Cleo," his telephone number, a description of his vehicle and his social media accounts, including the dating app they met on, according to the lawsuit.

Days after the assault, Franklin was asked to look at a photo lineup of possible suspects. The lawsuit says that police included an older photograph of Abston in the lineup but that Franklin could not identify her attacker.

For months, Franklin was given no update about her case. According to the lawsuit, police sent the sexual assault kit to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, or TBI, but did not ask for processing to be expedited.

Police and the city declined to comment Wednesday, citing pending litigation.

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-560w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2022-09/220902-missing-woman-eliza-fletcher-mn-1515-37ba29.jpg
Eliza Fletcher.Memphis Police Department

The sexual assault kit remained untouched until June, according to the lawsuit. It was not determined that the DNA matched Abstonâs until Sept. 5, three days after he is accused of forcing Fletcher into his SUV while she was on an early morning jog.

Abston, 38, was arrested the next day after police found the SUV in a parking lot by his residence, an affidavit says. He was arraigned on several charges, including first-degree murder and kidnapping.

Fletcherâs body was found Sept. 5 in a vacant duplex apartment. A cause and manner of death have not been released.

Franklin's lawsuit says Abston "should and could have been arrested and indicted for the aggravated rape of Alicia Franklin many months earlier, most likely in the year 2021 ... and the abduction and murder of Eliza Fletcher would not have occurred."

The TBI said it rarely knows the details of cases and relies on local law enforcement agencies to submit pertinent information. It expedites cases only at the request of local law enforcement agencies, it said in an emailed statement.

Franklin's case "was put into the queue of unknown assailant kits, as no request was made for TBI analysis to be expedited, and no suspect information or DNA standard was included in the submission," the agency said in its statement. Franklin's kit was pulled in June to be examined along with 19 other kits.

The agency said that during the investigation into Fletcher's kidnapping, Memphis police informed it of a possible link to Franklin's assault.

Franklin told NBC affiliate WMC of Memphis that she did not want to get into the "spotlight" but felt sharing her story could "help a lot of women come forward."

The lawsuit seeks unspecified damages.

A spokesperson for Fletcher's family could not immediately be reached for comment.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/woman-says-memphis-police-failed-investigate-rape-suspect-now-charged-rcna48806

Joel

2024-10-11 18:15:40 UTC

[GAC] Surgery shouldn't be required to be trans[gender], but it should be available
to people over 16 or 18 [depending on their level of transition].

Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

Idiot, phobe.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2024-10-11 20:26:51 UTC

[GAC] Surgery shouldn't be required to be trans[gender], but it should be available
to people over 16 or 18 [depending on their level of transition].

Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

Idiot, phobe.

Once again. Joel tried-- and fails -- to weaponize 'phobia' to avoid
debating arguments he can't hope to win.

LOL

gregg

2024-10-11 20:44:08 UTC

[GAC] Surgery shouldn't be required to be trans[gender], but it
should be available to people over 16 or 18 [depending on their level
of transition].

Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

Idiot, phobe.

Yes, you are a heterophobe and an idiot.

Governor Swill

2024-10-13 21:18:13 UTC

[GAC] Surgery shouldn't be required to be trans[gender], but it should be available
to people over 16 or 18 [depending on their level of transition].

Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

Idiot, phobe.

I agree with him.

If we can't trust young people to drink before 21, how can we trust them to make
such a drastic elective surgery decision?
--
Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 24 days.

42) On January 13th, 2021, Trump became the only president
ever to be impeached twice. This time, he was charged with
incitement of insurrection. It was a bipartisan vote.
The majority of senators, 57 out of 100, voted to convict Trump,
including seven Republican senators.

43) Trump publicly sided with Putin over the U.S. intelligence
community in denying Russia's interference in the 2016 election.

Joel

2024-10-13 21:53:46 UTC

[GAC] Surgery shouldn't be required to be trans[gender], but it should be available
to people over 16 or 18 [depending on their level of transition].

Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

Idiot, phobe.

I agree with him.
If we can't trust young people to drink before 21, how can we trust them to make
such a drastic elective surgery decision?

The alcohol/tobacco/cannabis age of 21 is unconstitutional, it should
be 18 or even 16.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2024-10-13 23:46:04 UTC

Post by Joel
The alcohol/tobacco/cannabis age of 21 is unconstitutional, it should
be 18 or even 16.

Well, no, it's not.

But I can understand why a pedophile such as yourself would like to
give drugs to children.

Joel

2024-10-14 00:28:02 UTC

Post by Joel
The alcohol/tobacco/cannabis age of 21 is unconstitutional, it should
be 18 or even 16.

Well, no, it's not.
But I can understand why a pedophile such as yourself would like to
give drugs to children.

I can understand that you're retarded so you think a 20 year-old is a
"child". Retard.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2024-10-14 11:29:17 UTC

Post by Joel
The alcohol/tobacco/cannabis age of 21 is unconstitutional, it should
be 18 or even 16.

Well, no, it's not.
But I can understand why a pedophile such as yourself would like to
give drugs to children.

I can understand that

Yeah, it's no brainier with you people.

Joel

2024-10-14 12:00:49 UTC

Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentö***@gmail.com>
wrote:

<snip cowardly altering of quoting>

*PLONK* Goodbye, lame old boomer retard. Drop dead.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

KlausSchadenfreude

2024-10-14 16:40:25 UTC

Post by Joel
<snip cowardly altering of quoting>

And Joel runs away again, upset that he was revealed as a supporter of
child abuse and molestation.

I thought Jesus was supposed to be forgiving 'n' shit?

ROFLMAO!!!!

CrudeSausage

2024-10-14 19:02:05 UTC

Post by KlausSchadenfreude

Post by Joel
<snip cowardly altering of quoting>

And Joel runs away again, upset that he was revealed as a supporter of
child abuse and molestation.
I thought Jesus was supposed to be forgiving 'n' shit?
ROFLMAO!!!!

I feel terrible for the blind child who didn't run away at first sight
of Joel.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

Scout

2024-10-15 17:36:02 UTC

Post by KlausSchadenfreude

Post by Joel
<snip cowardly altering of quoting>

And Joel runs away again, upset that he was revealed as a supporter of
child abuse and molestation.
I thought Jesus was supposed to be forgiving 'n' shit?
ROFLMAO!!!!

Probably pissed because his parents didn't cut off his dick and then screw
him in the ass.

Scout

2024-10-14 16:02:02 UTC

Post by Joel
The alcohol/tobacco/cannabis age of 21 is unconstitutional, it should
be 18 or even 16.

Well, no, it's not.
But I can understand why a pedophile such as yourself would like to
give drugs to children.

I can understand that you're retarded so you think a 20 year-old is a
"child". Retard.

In a few states, they are... legally

Klaus Schadenfreude

2024-10-14 16:41:00 UTC

Post by Joel
The alcohol/tobacco/cannabis age of 21 is unconstitutional, it should
be 18 or even 16.

Well, no, it's not.
But I can understand why a pedophile such as yourself would like to
give drugs to children.

I can understand that you're retarded so you think a 20 year-old is a
"child". Retard.

In a few states, they are... legally

Funny how he skips over the aforementioned 16 year olds.....

Scout

2024-10-15 17:34:23 UTC

Post by Joel
The alcohol/tobacco/cannabis age of 21 is unconstitutional, it should
be 18 or even 16.

Well, no, it's not.
But I can understand why a pedophile such as yourself would like to
give drugs to children.

I can understand that you're retarded so you think a 20 year-old is a
"child". Retard.

In a few states, they are... legally

Funny how he skips over the aforementioned 16 year olds.....

Not really, you just have to remember his delusions and dishonesty.

I mean he even lies to himself.. so how can he be honest with anyone else?

Scout

2024-10-14 16:01:29 UTC

[GAC] Surgery shouldn't be required to be trans[gender], but it should be available
to people over 16 or 18 [depending on their level of transition].

Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

Idiot, phobe.

I agree with him.
If we can't trust young people to drink before 21, how can we trust them to make
such a drastic elective surgery decision?

The alcohol/tobacco/cannabis age of 21 is unconstitutional

Cite

Governor Swill

2024-10-16 16:49:11 UTC

[GAC] Surgery shouldn't be required to be trans[gender], but it should be available
to people over 16 or 18 [depending on their level of transition].

Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

Idiot, phobe.

I agree with him.
If we can't trust young people to drink before 21, how can we trust them to make
such a drastic elective surgery decision?

The alcohol/tobacco/cannabis age of 21 is unconstitutional, it should
be 18 or even 16.

If 21 is unconstitutional, btw, show us the Article/section, then 18 and 16 are
also. All three numbers are arbitrary.
--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 21 days.

46) Trump tried to shut down the Mueller investigation by ordering
White House counsel Don McGahn to fire Mueller. McGahn refused
because that would be criminal obstruction of justice.

47) Trump ordered his staff not to turn over emails showing Don Jr.
had set up a meeting at Trump Tower before the 2016 election with
representatives of the Russian government.

48) Trump convinced Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about Trump's
plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, and Cohen served prison
time for lying to Congress.

49) Trump was not charged for criminal obstruction of justice
because it's the Justice Department's policy not to indict a
sitting president. But more than a thousand former federal
prosecutors who served under both Republicans and Democrats
signed a letter declaring there was more than enough evidence
to prosecute Trump.

Joel

2024-10-16 16:56:16 UTC

Post by Governor Swill
If we can't trust young people to drink before 21, how can we trust them to make
such a drastic elective surgery decision?

The alcohol/tobacco/cannabis age of 21 is unconstitutional, it should
be 18 or even 16.

If 21 is unconstitutional, btw, show us the Article/section, then 18 and 16 are
also. All three numbers are arbitrary.

The constitution has an amendment guaranteeing the vote to 18 year-
olds, I'd reference that if you really need something, explicitly, to
tell you what is obvious.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Scout

2024-10-16 17:22:05 UTC

Post by Governor Swill
If we can't trust young people to drink before 21, how can we trust them to make
such a drastic elective surgery decision?

The alcohol/tobacco/cannabis age of 21 is unconstitutional, it should
be 18 or even 16.

If 21 is unconstitutional, btw, show us the Article/section, then 18 and 16 are
also. All three numbers are arbitrary.

The constitution has an amendment guaranteeing the vote to 18 year-
olds, I'd reference that if you really need something, explicitly, to
tell you what is obvious.

Which means for everything, the age was GREATER than 16 or even 18....
before this Amendment.

An EXCEPTION was made via Amendment to allow those at least 18 to vote,
didn't change anything else.

It does NOT allow them to do anything else that requires you to be a legal
adult... such as alcohol/tobacco/cannabis

As such.. you have just shown those laws are NOT unconstitutional.

Otherwise.. we wouldn't have needed an Amendment to lower the voting age to
18......

I love how Joel just showed us he was wrong..... and probably won't accept
it even after I explain it.

Scout

2024-10-14 15:56:42 UTC

[GAC] Surgery shouldn't be required to be trans[gender], but it should be available
to people over 16 or 18 [depending on their level of transition].

Wrong. It should be outlawed until AFTER 21 years of age-- any doctors
performing it should be executed, tried, and convicted.
In that order.

Idiot, phobe.

Love your new signature.. but you seem to have skipped a response.

ward

2024-10-10 19:30:09 UTC

Post by John Smyth
This is some sick shit.
You can't change your sex anymore than you can change your species.
These people are crazy.
'Thousands of sex-change surgeries performed on minors in 5-year period'
<https://www.christianpost.com/news/thousands-of-sex-change-surgeries-performed-on-minors-database.html>
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'Thousands of sex-change operations were performed on trans-identified
minors from 2019-2023 in the United States as several states have worked
to prohibit the life-altering procedures, a new database shows.
Do No Harm, which describes itself as a coalition of "physicians,
nurses, medical students, patients, and policymakers focused on keeping
identity politics out of medical education, research, and clinical
practice," unveiled a new database documenting the incidence of gender
transition procedures on minors with gender dysphoria Tuesday.
The advocacy group found that a total of 13,994 minors underwent some
form of "sex-change treatment" from 2019-2023, while a total of 5,747
sex-change surgeries were performed on minors and 8,579 received either
cross-sex hormones or puberty-blocking drugs during this period.
Sex-change surgeries are procedures that involve the removal of healthy
body parts that correspond to a person's biological sex or the creation
of artificial body parts that align with an individual's stated gender
identity.
Do No Harm's findings also document that all forms of so-called
"treatments" performed on minors generated at least $119,791,202 in
charges. Overall, a total of 62,882 "sex-change prescriptions" were
written for minors suffering from gender dysphoria.
In a statement reacting to the database's launch, Do No Harm Chairman
Dr. Stanley Goldfarb identified the effort as an expansion of "our
mission to expose the dangers of experimental pediatric gender medicine
and bring the practice to an end."
"This first-of-its-kind project provides patients, families, and
policymakers with a resource that reveals the pervasiveness of
irreversible sex-change treatments for minors in America," Goldfarb
said.
"While this data represents the tip of the iceberg, this is the first
step in holding the medical establishment accountable for participating
in, and often times promoting, predatory and unscientific medical
interventions for children."
The database is based on an analysis of thousands of insurance claims
from hospitals and healthcare facilities nationwide. Do No Harm also
examined websites and publicly available information on each profiled
hospital to determine the services they offer. The organization compiled
a data set using procedure codes and drug codes commonly used in
"gender-affirming care." These codes were collected from multiple
sources, including commercial insurance providers, Medicaid, Medicare
and the Department of Veterans Affairs.
"The procedure codes and NDC codes were reviewed and assigned
corresponding confidence levels to indicate the likelihood they were
directly related to a gender-related condition," the website states.
"This process was then reviewed by multiple medical professionals and
cross-referenced with patient diagnoses for gender-related conditions to
accurately determine which procedures and drugs were used for gender
medical interventions."
Chloe Cole, a detransitioner who has emerged as one of the most
outspoken critics of efforts to provide youth struggling with their
gender with life-altering gender surgeries, also weighed in on the
database in her capacity as Do No Harm senior fellow and spokesperson.
"The new project from Do No Harm proves the lies from the medical
establishment and radical politicians who argue that cases like mine are
rare," Cole, who says she experienced suicidal thoughts following a
double mastectomy she received as a minor, said.
"The stats in this database represent thousands of kids who are being
treated like Guinea pigs for unproven, and sometimes dangerous, medical
experiments," Cole continued. "I hope politicians and parents alike use
this database to see where these treatments are happening and protect
their children from being rushed into irreversible, life-altering
treatments."
The database contains a detailed breakdown by state and hospital of all
gender-change procedures that were performed on minors in the years
examined.
While several states have enacted laws banning some or all forms of
gender-transition procedures on minors, no such restrictions existed in
2019 or 2020, meaning that they have occurred in all 50 states at some
point in the last five years.
Currently, 26 states have laws prohibiting the performance of some or
Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa,
Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New
Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina,
South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.
The efforts to ban the procedures at the state level come amid concerns
about their long-term impacts.
The American College of Pediatricians lists potential side effects of
puberty blockers as "osteoporosis, mood disorders, seizures, cognitive
impairment and, when combined with cross-sex hormones, sterility."
Meanwhile, the organization has warned that cross-sex hormones can put
youth at an "increased risk of heart attacks, stroke, diabetes, blood
clots and cancers across their lifespan."
As for surgeries, the office of Florida's Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis
has shared images of the unsightly scars left behind from the mutilation
of forearm tissue in trans-identified females to create an artificial
penis as well as the removal of healthy breasts. The procedures can also
have negative effects on the mental health of youth with gender
dysphoria.
Cole, one of several detransitioners who once experienced gender
dysphoria as a child and once identified as a member of the opposite sex
but later saw her discomfort with her biological sex subside as she got
older, has filed a lawsuit against the medical professionals who
subjected her to gender transition procedures as a minor.
The filing maintained that her experience, including a double
mastectomy, left her with "deep physical and emotional wounds, severe
regrets, and distrust of the medical system."
'

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